Sega Saturn

[untold lintel]

@burnt matrix lets see your rowing

https://wiki.gbl.gg/w/Virtual-On_Oratorio_Tangram/Advanced_Techniques#Rowing_-_High_speed_walking_&_air_movement

[drifting frigate]

HOT DAMN!!!

Thank you thank you! I've been trying to get the MiSTer mapping to work for L/R on the core (the hs2pad.sv file) and I think I know what's wrong, but I don't quite know enough to fix it. I think it's capping the dinput at 2bytes instead of 3 and so X1/X2 and Y1/Y2 are just duplicated rather than separate readings. But this will likely fix my issue so I can give up! (I may keep trying).

[high bramble]

Hey, it's labelled L and R... just like your shoes! 😉

[drifting frigate]

In fairness, the only L on Robby's shoes is in the word VE(L)CRO

[drifting frigate]

It's perfect!

I actually placed in Manx. Sega Rally feels exactly right. This is huge for me. Hopefully for others as well! @burnt matrix let me know how that mission stick goes!!

[burnt matrix]

@winter phoenix yeaaaaaah buddy!

[winter phoenix]

Ooh awesome. Have fun!

[burnt matrix]

I will thanks to you and your team! ❤️

[naive whale]

I need a spare of this so I can mod if for arcade stuff

[burnt matrix]

The virtual on stick? Man that would be cool.

[naive whale]

Yeah. Dual Beast Busters stick. Two player control but one player spacing

[trim nimbus]

So no way to play 10p bomberman?

[drifting frigate]

I can't say for sure, but maybe @unkempt kelp can shed some light. Looking at the reflex adapt github code for SaturnLib, it looks like it will detect up to 6 controllers on each port....so...maybe?

That's per base port, if I'm reading it right.

(specifically multitap, not like... HDMI split or anything)

[unkempt kelp]

One multi-tap per Reflex Adapt

[drifting frigate]

Ah, so there you go.

[unkempt kelp]

But the Reflex Adapt is intentionally affordable, imho

I thought MiSTer still has a 6 player max limit but maybe it doesn't

[drifting frigate]

I think it does. SNAC + multitap should work, though, through SNAX 2port. Maybe.

I don't have the funds (ok, I don't have the friends) to try it though.

[unkempt kelp]

I might have to test it for science

Need to get a second multitap

[drifting frigate]

SCIENCE!

[inner token]

core only has 5 usb pads now.

snac with multitap can do 6 pads.

and usb multitap option does 4 on a port.

so you could have 10p, but the problem is how many bytes it takes in Oreg.

limited to 31 bytes now I think, there's some extra step when you use more than that. that I don't think is implemented

6 pads in one tap takes like 19 bytes,

and that number goes up depending on what you have connected to the tap.

[drifting frigate]

Aaaah

[inner token]

I did what I could to get some multiplayer going, before today if you weren't using snac the max numbers of players was 2.

[frail token]

That was my understanding as well

[unkempt kelp]

Thanks, @inner token

[old pasture]

The new core has more sound issues than the previous one. Many games that had great sound, now don't. Bubble Symphony was another one, where the sound has gone for me too. Hopefully the next update will improve upon this.

[pulsar wasp]

Anyone else on v2.5 RAM have any success with the latest core? I cant get anything to load. All I get is the BIOS and then a black screen. I assume its my RAM.

[feral fractal]

How long has Space Harrier been working?

[drifting frigate]

It's been working for me for a couple months, but I haven't tried it on latest.

[trim nimbus]

Yeah, sorry if the question came across as a criticism. Really appreciate the extra controller support whether it is 6 or 10.

[silk vine]

Bubble Symphony worked fine for me on the latest, but sega rally, Daytona don’t boot and outrun no sound. It’s cool how we have different issues… haha

[limpid wharf]

Sega Rally and Daytona are two games I want to play and have never worked for me since I started testing the Saturn core haha

[old pasture]

It's how this core has been. It's very random

[gentle roost]

since the latest update I dont have any game working except die hard arcade (without sound)

Daytona and sega rally black screen on startup

do I need a specific unstable mister?

[mortal mist]

no , stable release is ok

[mortal mist]

recent update has made things worse for some people

[wise brook]

inti creates really said "what if Bulk Slash, Virtua On and Eva"

was looking for Playstation games that were made as a response to Saturn and stumbled into this little known title

Love & Destroy

obvs not a Saturn game but the influences are right there on show

[naive whale]

I see Segata Sanshiro…I react! 👍

[high bramble]

Get in there and make us proud!

[old pasture]

Thanks, if I remember, this'll make the next video

[manic mica]

anyone happen to have the latest stable release for saturn?

not sure if update all grabs any saturn stuff. i been messing with the latest unstable single ram one

and just seeing if i can compare the two

[high bramble]

There is no stable release, official or otherwise.

[manic mica]

ah okay thx

[high bramble]

It is still very much a WIP.

[manic mica]

yeah on my mister i have a core that just says SATURN and then the latest one i grabbed

so one the reg one labled saturn alot more games work and i dont recall where i got it from

[worthy helm]

sep 15th build killed most of the audio for all my saturn games

anyone with the same problem? Virtua Fighter now has zero graphical glitches but no sound whatsoever

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, the latest build definitely caused a lot of new issues. Some games improved, while a lot of others had the opposite happen.

[drifting frigate]

Most of my audio improved, but a handful of games stopped working altogether. </airplane! joke> That's my single RAM build. My dual REALLY took a hit and barely anything works now.

[stiff patrol]

As a Tier 100 Patreon mine works flawlessly and plays all the Atomiswave games too !

[drifting frigate]

I don't use it apart from quick spot testing for Saturn, so it's not a big deal to me, but I'm sure it's really disappointing for a bunch of folks.

Psssh. Chihiro wen?

[stiff patrol]

Chihiro was Tier 999

I couldnt afford the 100000 euro a month

[drifting frigate]

DoA sped up in the first battle vs Zack (I think that the order is fixed, it has been for me the handful of times I played it) but tanked again as soon as it got to Lei Fang's stage. The core is definitely making moves. Excited for the next installment.

I sold all of my roman gold coins and all I got was this bag of dreams with a swirl on it.

[sudden tusk]

Yeah I had a great time with sega rally everything is working as it should in regards to that particular tittle

[drifting frigate]

Same. And again, SNAC really freaking improved the experience a ton. But 1:4 builds I have right now work with it. So lucky to have the one, though.

[burnt matrix]

So Virtua Fighter Kids, like what the hell

all the heads are massive, game is substantially worse

coincidence? I think NOT.

[manic mica]

big ass chibi heads always leads to really stubby feeling normals in fighting games

same with sonic fighters

[polar geode]

Fatbabies.

[burnt matrix]

Test SNAC Build:

Attached are the 20230915 SNAC builds.

These SNAC builds are courtesy of @inner token who's done an amazing job. SNAC will need to be turned on in the core’s menu. Only the SNAC, SNAX, and Saturn adapter from https://misteraddons.com have been verified to work.

Y/C Composite Build

Download manually - https://github.com/MikeS11/YC_Builds-MiSTer/tree/main/_YCConsole

Download with "update_all" - add the following to your /media/fat/downloader.ini:

db_url = https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MikeS11/YC_Builds-MiSTer/db/db.json.zip```
*(thanks to @kind stump for maintaining these Y/C builds and providing the automated workflow to make it easy to get latest)*

Thanks again to @polar geode for calling it out. I'm happy for our CRT friends.

[polar geode]

you already had his github pinned Robby

Oh well lol

[burnt matrix]

Yeah just fixing up the formatting and including the automated download option

[polar geode]

You can only expect so much from 3 fatbabies in an overcoat.

[pearl harbor]

Robby is Dr. Goomba Tower confirmed!

[heady oriole]

lol

[polar geode]

XD

[heady oriole]

Was about to do some testing with ultimatemister's snac multi6 now anyway, so a new Saturn snac build is appreciated 🙂

[random shard]

Hey folks

Does the core works better with dual sdram?

[mortal mist]

nope

[trim nimbus]

I thought their head was their weak point? Wouldn’t that devolve into a pretty grizzly crime scene?

[naive whale]

Ooh do I have a special Sega Saturn October surprise for you all 😉 @drifting frigate and I were joking around and a whole video came of it haha. It’s even better than Virtual Hydlide 🤣 no spoilers. Wait till October

[heady oriole]

Was just gonna test some with the Saturn, and post a review on my Instagram of the snac multi 6. Short takeaway, it's does just what is supposed to do, nothing more, nothing less😊 Works great. Been playing some with the virtua stick now👍🏻

[wheat citrus]

whats the best bios to use on this core?

[mortal mist]

https://vampier.net/Saturn/ all points here should work

[wheat citrus]

I see people throwing around the idea of a region free bios

[mortal mist]

here we all have different results from game testing so it's hard to say unequivocally which one works best

yes region free is the "easiest" 🙂

no need to change the region in the osd

[wheat citrus]

thats a nice perk, that gets annoying

is there a specific one you personally find most compatible?

Hi-Saturn 1.02?

[mortal mist]

I've tested all of them and see no difference in the games I'm testing

everyone probably has their own opinion on this, seriously everyone here has different results when testing 🙂

[high bramble]

Also, instead of region-free BIOSes (if you don't have or can't find them), renaming each of the region-specific BIOS files to cd_bios.rom and placing them in the root of their respective regional subfolders in the Saturn folder (for example: US, JP, EU) still works, just like for the Sega CD and TurboGrafx-16 CD... if you have your media organized that way, that is.

At least it did for me a while back. Not sure if that has changed.

[glass aurora]

All those files in your screenshot are region free, FYI. That's what the RF means. Not sure if you knew that already or not.

[wheat citrus]

yup, just didnt know if one worked better than the other, or if it was personal preference kinda thing or not

im 100% new to saturn stuff, last time I touched anything saturn related was in the 90s

[craggy horizon]

At least they aren't referring to cute-em-ups as "cmups" 🤦🏻‍♂️

[supple vine]

Is it normal that most games have no sound using latest Saturn unstable?

[mortal mist]

yeah 😄

[supple vine]

I could swear I had more games with working sound before.

Ok 🙂

[hoary sable]

Yep... Not sure what happened in this version but I know it will get better.

[wise brook]

should be called cuter shooters

[mortal mist]

(switch version is horrible 😄 )

[supple vine]

MK1 Switch cringe 🙂

Lol the audacity to even release it like that.

[polar geode]

Im guessing that ancient hardware posed some development difficulties

[mortal mist]

I'm sure it could have been done better

[hoary sable]

Uh, I'm sure it could have been done a lot better. Citing the hardware age as an excuse to write a crap engine is lazy and insulting to other devs that know how to really code. I think they should pony up the truth: They didn't invest enough resources to do it properly.

[polar geode]

Just a guess on my part.

[supple vine]

Also, Starfield:

[hoary sable]

And anyway, if they weren't charging full retail price compared to the other versions we probably wouldn't be going on about it. 😉. Anyway, I was just using it as the obligatory cringe reaction pic of the day. 😄

[polar geode]

Maybe they'll release some patches to spruce things up

[supple vine]

I doubt the Switch will ever run MK1 well.

It is a cash grab port IMO.

[hoary sable]

https://tenor.com/view/ugly-sonic-chip-n-dale-rescue-rangers-laughing-laugh-lol-gif-25733884

Ugly sonic has the last laugh at switch users, I guess. 😄

[supple vine]

MK11 was pretty bad already on Switch, backgrounds had zero detail, lighting was bad etc. Still, it was much better than MK1.

If you have better hardware like a Steamdeck, there's zero incentive to play MK on Switch.

[mortal mist]

I wanted to buy the Switch version

but for now I choose the ps5 version, maybe someday if they improve things 🙂

IF 😄

[polar geode]

Im more interested in the hopefully sometime this year MK core for MiSTer, but thats just me

[mortal mist]

honestly? me too 🙂

I hope it will appear soon

[polar geode]

I know a lot of people dont care for it, but I have a lot of memories tied into the game. I played it on fightcade recently with a close friend and we had a blast

[mortal mist]

I lost a great deal of money on arcade

love it

[drifting frigate]

@inner token may I ask you some development questions over DM? I don't want to bother you as none of this is for anyone but me personally as I'm trying to learn a few things. Don't wanna just bombard you out of the blue. ...hehe, pun utterly unintended until it was written and then...

[burnt matrix]

[inner token]

yeah sure

[tawny forge]

https://tenor.com/view/fez-that70s-show-sing-i-ran-wilmer-valderrama-gif-3524183

[amber lichen]

Should I sell my fenrir and sega saturn?

Get a dual ram module with the money?

So if my ram board has 4 chips does it mean I have dual ram module?

[tawny forge]

No

At least wait for the first stable release

[amber lichen]

No To which question?

[tawny forge]

This is pre-alpha

No to sell your stuff

[amber lichen]

Oh ok ty

[astral crane]

never sell

[tawny forge]

You’ll eventually sell those for sure when the core is mature

[amber lichen]

I’ll go play my fenrir till the core is stable

[shrewd patrol]

I’ve been loving my Fenrir. Takes the edge off waiting for the core

[amber lichen]

I’ve been playing the games nintendont

[burnt matrix]

I’ve been patiently waiting for the core to enjoy the glory that is Saturn.

[polar geode]

It runs games now, go enjoy it

[quick lava]

Can't get this core to run any games. Is there is good game to test to make sure that I have everything setup correctly?

[astral crane]

Can you run the bios?

[quick lava]

yeah

[astral crane]

Hitachi Hi-Saturn?

[tight zinc]

pretty sure the japanese models didn't start games automatically and needed you to specifically tell it to launch the game using the icon in the upper left

[astral crane]

yeap

and some games need you to reset

or

[burnt matrix]

Make sure your region is also correct

[astral crane]

Manage Memory and clear it

[quick lava]

Alright I don't know which of those worked, but I was able to load Sonic 3D Blast so, progress. Thanks.

Bad troubleshooting to change multiple variables at once, but oh well.

[inner kayak]

I’ve been stuck in this situation for months, tried all the different BIOSes, etc to no avail.

I’ll try the manage memory approach and see if that finally fixes it. If it does, I’ll poke Vampier to add it to his page

[astral crane]

He did it

[polar geode]

Thanks, just switched to region free worldwide BIOS to make that annoyance go away

[high bramble]

The shotgun approach!
60% of the time, it works every time.

[forest shell]

By far Sega's best controller, and I wish it had come stateside. It's the only controller you can play 6-button games, Mortal Kombat 3/Trilogy (L is the run button), and Guilty gear (L/A/B/C/R) in legit, arcade-perfect configurations.
On questionably my favorite button arrangement.

[burnt matrix]

My favorite controller to play Saturn games is the N64 controller.

Ok I’m kidding, I can’t say that with a straight face holy shit

[zinc vine]

snac doesnt work with retrobit controller only works with wired cable. @inner token

[forest shell]

I always wanted a Nights controller. Can never justify picking one up

[burnt matrix]

The 3D analog one? It’s pretty neat! Feels good too.

[forest shell]

But I'd throw down on a Retrobit re-make day one

[burnt matrix]

I forgot to mention this yesterday. I played Burning Rangers with the 3D Saturn controller and it was really good. While movement speed isn’t analog, the character directionality felt awesome.

[kindred peak]

Hall effect before it was cool.

[inner token]

which one is that?

[zinc vine]

https://www.amazon.com/Retro-Bit-Official-Wireless-Controller-8-Button/dp/B08C4TN2S6?ref_=ast_sto_dp

i also got sega saturn Blueretro receiver it doesnt work as well

[inner token]

nothing works? or certain buttons? the saturn plug is finnicky so might try to replug it in a few times

[zinc vine]

nothing works, i did try to re-plug it and nothing only works with wired cable

i know its a pre build but im just letting you know. thank you very much.

[burnt matrix]

Try unseating the cable a little bit

I had an issue if I plugged it in too far the controller wouldn’t work correctly

[zinc vine]

nada

[burnt matrix]

Ah sorry to hear

[zinc vine]

np just testing it out

[inner token]

might be retrobit doing something weird, then failing detection or something. thanks for reporting

[zinc vine]

same thing as for blueretro receiver.

[inner token]

huh, so what did work for you?

[zinc vine]

wired oem controller

[drifting frigate]

This joke made my hands cramp.

[drifting frigate]

So I've been playing around with the 3D pad a bit and found that MiSTer doesn't read analog triggers currently at the OS level (huge thanks to @inner token for walking me through signal tap in quartus!). It just reads them as a digital R/L after a threshhold. I filed a feature request, I'm guessing someone (sonik?) might be able to add a 3Dpad quirk the way racing wheels have pedals, but I dunno. But to verify the core itself can handle it, I compiled a version of the saturn core that translates stick 2 Y axis to R and L for up/down. Totally worked, so if it ever makes it into HPS it's fairly trivial to hook up.
Found a neat bug though, when I was trying to work around it.

Go into Define Joystick Buttons using a controller with analog triggers (xbox, ps4/5, 8bitDo Ultimate, etc). Map everything as normal but when you get to stick 2, pull R as 'tilt right' and pull L as 'tilt down'. The joypad mapper shows up and you can't enter any inputs. If you hammer analog inputs you can eventually get it to take something, but it's not really mappable after using the triggers as stick 2. Fun times.

[supple vine]

Probably because the non-pressed trigger now registers as constant analog axis press at -127

[drifting frigate]

The crash? Yeah

that was my thought too

Oh...I should try it with the reflexed 3D pad....those read 0 unpressed up to 127. If Windows is to be believed. So should read 0,0 unpressed. Damn....ok, I'm going to go try that now.

(throttle/brake, not Z +/- for those)

Dang, nope. Same lockup. But that's likely the cause.

Step 1:

if (input[n].vid == 0x16d0 && input[n].pid = 0x127e && strstr(input[n].name, "SAT-3D"))
  {
    input[n].quirk = QUIRK_3DPAD;

Step 2: ???

Step 3: 11th place in Rally vs 14th

[tidal marsh]

trying to figure out why sega rally white screens for me on current core whilst other have luck

using either dual or single ram core, us bios. version 3.0 ram

[mortal mist]

many people have this problem

this may change with the next test core

[tidal marsh]

ah i seem to miss this stuff even though i check the message history

yeah tried a different dump of the disc and still same

[mortal mist]

here there is not much to think about, every working game is a bonus 🙂

check the previous test core , maybe Sega Rally will work

[tidal marsh]

it did not

it loads now but whitescreens, before it wouldn't even recognise it as an application

weirdness

tried diff bios and no luck either guess it's just some hardware thing

[lavish wadi]

I cant seem to find a Region Free bios dump. Is the Hi-Saturn bios region free by default?

[mortal mist]

check it out, you don't risk anything 🙂

if the games will run from different regions without changing in osd it means that it works

[lavish wadi]

Will do when I get back to the MiSTer 👍

[sacred goblet]

New update on github repo !

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_MiSTer

[mortal mist]

yeah, more fixes 🙂

[sacred goblet]

Sega rally => white screen again

[mortal mist]

How do you know ? 😛

wait for core , maybe it will be good

[drowsy hull]

16min are borderline enpugh to build the core

[sacred goblet]

I did an update with script and it get me the 20230919 build, so the build including this fix is already avilable no?

[mortal mist]

don't think so , core is just being built

should also appear in unstable nightlies

url="https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Unstable_Folder_MiSTer/main/db_unstable_nightlies_folder.json"
urlmain="https://api.github.com/repos/MiSTer-unstable-nightlies/Main_MiSTer/releases"

it's from script

[sacred goblet]

strange

[mortal mist]

yes I am able to believe it if you have already downloaded the latest data , loaded the data in the program and prepared your finger to click enter 🙂 commit to build is from 12:22 not in 5 min 🙂

[sacred goblet]

i did not build nothing. I did the update script and it download the 20230919 version. So i think was already build no?

[mortal mist]

could not appear within 5 min

single build

[high bramble]

Yep, it dual just appeared.

[mortal mist]

dual is available in nightlies

[coarse night]

Success!!! 20230919 finally makes Sega Rally Work for me (tried dual ram core)!!

[mortal mist]

great to hear my friend!

i'm really happy 🙂

I'm waiting for the moment until everyone has similar or the same results during testing

[coarse night]

Radiant silvergun also works! I think Sergey nailed it this time!

[shadow merlin]

Virtual-On's sound seems better with this core. Kept cutting out for me on the previous build (dual ram)

[coarse night]

Virtua Fighter 2 now works on dual ram for me! This core is a winner - at least on my dual ram mister!

[mortal mist]

great!

[high bramble]

Hopefully the single-RAM build yields similar results.

Can't wait to try it later.

[lusty rapids]

Radiant Silvergun is booting for me again on this latest (DualRam). It was not for the last couple builds for me

[coarse night]

More good news: The Intro of Thunderforce V now works correctly (previously it would freeze frame, even though the game worked)

[mortal mist]

ok single and dual on nightlies 🙂

[shadow merlin]

Rabbit still doesn't boot, just a black screen

[mortal mist]

was running before ?

[sacred goblet]

Sega rally working for me too

[shadow merlin]

I don't think so, but I saw someone mention it the other day so thought I'd check

[sacred goblet]

I have some strange sounds in nights

[mortal mist]

great! 🙂 good update

[hard reef]

Outrun sound is still missing in this build

[vocal comet]

Daytona USA circuit edition (JP) loads for the first time for me (single ram)

[shadow merlin]

Sega Rally working here too 🙂

[coarse night]

Regression: Space Harrier (Sega Ages Collection) freezes for a brief moment when you shoot

[mortal mist]

Guardian Heroes still working ?

[shadow merlin]

Works for me

[mortal mist]

nice 🙂

And how about the music/sound in Wipeout XL ?

sorry I'm still at work

[shadow merlin]

no sound or fx

[coarse night]

Space Harrier does work on Single Ram. So its a dual ram issue only

[shadow merlin]

Not happening for me, plays smooth here. Tried both the USA and Japan versions. Also, the Japan one has sound but the USA one doesn't actually it eventually ended up making a high pitched whining sound.

[mortal mist]

probably many people will have a different result 😄

[undone oyster]

Radiant Silvergun is working properly now single RAM, Nights is also working properly for me now

[coarse night]

Tried the USA version from the SEGA Ages Collection Vol1. Dual ram freezes whenever you shoot, its also present in the demo loop. On single ram core its fine though

[mortal mist]

is definitely better for everyone than before , good changes

[shadow merlin]

I'm using dual ram and the freezing doesn't happen for me for some reason 🤷

I think I remember it happening on previous builds for me, though

[coarse night]

@230-V probably still some timing differences presumably because of ram.

[river wing]

Is it me or audio in Daytona USA has veeeery low volume?

[shadow merlin]

I didn't check Daytona, but VF2 had very low volume

[river wing]

Ah yes, VF2 too

[burnt matrix]

[river wing]

VF Remix sounds loud and clear 😄

[undone oyster]

Saturn SOTN seems more stable now too 🙂

[burnt matrix]

@naive whale / @old pasture new core update!

@sudden tusk get yer ass in here

[naive whale]

But I just want to sleep damn it 🤣

[old pasture]

Legend, I'm at work for the next few days, so this might be all bacon for now. Unless I can squeeze some time in-between.

Appreciate the heads up, 🫡

[burnt matrix]

and I want a new YouTube video!

[mortal mist]

there are things more important than sleep

[old pasture]

Like more sleep

[burnt matrix]

Please don’t thank me. The work and coverage y’all do is invaluable for the MiSTer community. So thank you for what you do, friend! 🍻

[naive whale]

Sigh

[old pasture]

Nah, you make the Discord fun. I'll always thank ya, hopefully this update will resolve some of the issues I had with the last.

[thorn pagoda]

ooh exciting is everything suddenly working?

[old pasture]

Damn

That's awesome

[coarse night]

@thorn pagoda Not everything, but many people who previously only got a white screen on sega rally will be very happy.

[burnt matrix]

lol I’m sorry, was just joking. Also I hope I didn’t wake you.

[undone oyster]

Shining The Holy Ark is now the only game that doesn't boot for me, I don't even get the now loading screen for a few builds now

[old pasture]

Nice, but results on this core are random.

[thorn pagoda]

sega rally usually worked for me but had super spotty audio

[old pasture]

Well at least usually

[limpid wharf]

Wait I was one of those people with Sega Rally?!

Is it working?!

Let me check

[naive whale]

Oh I keep my phone on silent 🤣

[mortal mist]

it will work

[naive whale]

My dog got me up early. Just HAD to go outside lol

[old pasture]

Oh shizz, no GIFs allowed here?

[tawny forge]

Sega Rally works! Daytona USA works! Thunder Force works! OMG OMG 😱😱😱😱

[old pasture]

Very nice

I kinda hate working

[thorn pagoda]

even the audio on sega rally?

[tawny forge]

Me too! Works now! OMG

[mortal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-almighty-jim-carrey-red-sea-weird-face-gif-16559596

[old pasture]

I can't even pull a sicky, as my boss is a subscriber

Damn it

[burnt matrix]

it’s why I never accept or make friend invites on Xbox/PS/Switch with my bosses. Like hell no, I don’t want you seeing when I play games. It might be during work hours! 👀

[wet hull]

Try to delete the cfg file when trying this core

[old pasture]

Nah, that's cool, I always say, my cousin or some made up relative is using my account

[naive whale]

Maybe I’ll do a video today. Or tomorrow. I’ll see how I feel

[wet hull]

I guess shinobi x still same result?

[limpid wharf]

OMG Sega Rally works

[wet hull]

Can someone check shinobi?

[old pasture]

But a video with me speaking, I can't say, my uncle came around, filmed a video and uploaded it, and he sounds just like me

[naive whale]

@ me with games that work well so I can hit them up if I feel like dragging my ass into my office after coffee 😂

[limpid wharf]

The attract mode music 🥹

[quasi radish]

daytona, daytona championship, sega rally and fifa 98 (eu) are working with single ram v2.5 !!! 😄

[shadow merlin]

I checked the euro version earlier and it worked

[naive whale]

I fell asleep thinking “hey no new N64 core. Now I can stick to my normal plan”…didn’t think Srg320 was gonna update lol

[wet hull]

Try japanese

[limpid wharf]

Ahh damn

The music just shat itself half way through a track

😭

[mortal mist]

YES!!!!!!

[limpid wharf]

Trying Daytona now

[mortal mist]

it;s rather normall 😄

[ripe valley]

It worked 3 builds previously now.

[shadow merlin]

Works on dual ram

[limpid wharf]

Omg Daytona song 🥹🥹🥹

[wet hull]

Great!

[sudden tusk]

Im here ! OMG !

[drowsy hull]

wow, I can start grandia again and it begins playing the intro

[sudden tusk]

DANNNNNG , it’s gonna be a long one at work today

[mortal mist]

we got it ! it's good

[ripe valley]

I will be at home within the next hour.
Time for some more usual tests : Bug!, Super Tempo, Shinobi, Burning rangers...

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/workaholics-fuuu-scream-gif-12652961

[tawny forge]

Time to send Radiant Silvergun ISO to my SD

[drowsy hull]

unsure if the fmv was duplicated and shown side by side back then though...

[limpid wharf]

The volume on Daytona is way lower than Sega rally

Dunno if that’s just me

[tawny forge]

Same here

[ripe valley]

It was already the case.

[limpid wharf]

Panzer dragoon zwei crashes during the intro fmv

[sudden tusk]

Sell your fenrirs people before they lose all value

[drowsy hull]

I guess interlaced and both fields are not drawn correctly?

[sudden tusk]

That’s wasn’t the case before

[limpid wharf]

I don’t think it ever worked for me?

[sudden tusk]

Worked for me with the last build

[limpid wharf]

Dual or single?

[sudden tusk]

Single ..

[burnt matrix]

Now it’s a party!

🥳 🥳

[limpid wharf]

Let me try again

[sudden tusk]

Would totally test with the latest core but no time rn

[tawny forge]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-party-hard-music-dj-einzahn-duisburg-gif-17697095

[burnt matrix]

Viva la Saturn!!!

[sudden tusk]

Party is gonna have to wait until I’m done harvesting for the day ,

[drowsy hull]

they are almost done talking and grandia still has not crashed yet

[sudden tusk]

Keep my seat warm

[kindred peak]

I have an idea of how that video ends...

[burnt matrix]

Brother may I remind you the bloodoath you took as part of your initiation into the CuLT of MiSTer?

[limpid wharf]

Ahh, it’s not a full crash, just fmv stalls

Music also cuts out on the menu screen

Clearly come disc reading issues I think

[stray phoenix]

Hello. How do I stop update all insertcoin downloading the dual ram saturn core? I have dual ram, but the dualram Saturn core restarts my mister? How can I have it download the single ram build? Cheers

[sudden tusk]

I shall atone later ,

[ancient surge]

Shining The Holy Ark and Rabbit still fail to boot.

[drowsy hull]

but I need my proto jojo

[sudden tusk]

It’s a damn shame

[ancient surge]

The sound is back in Panzer Dragoon at least.

[drowsy hull]

And now I have control. A nice little update

[mortal mist]

definitely a change in the right direction

[drowsy hull]

even final fight revenge goes into gameplay for me now

[undone oyster]

Btw Bug! Works again 🙂

[tawny forge]

If we’re getting consistent results among all people here maybe it’s time for serious tests and bug reports?

[mortal mist]

that's what I'm waiting for

[drowsy hull]

Now I wonder how non reference ram behaves

[mortal mist]

ram with 4 chips works

now

[undone oyster]

For consistency can someone check Shining The Holy Ark

[stray phoenix]

Nevermind I see the script for single

[drowsy hull]

shame, dead or alive still has slowdown

[ancient surge]

Puyo Puyo Sun is now more stable. The sound is cleaned up and there aren't random moments of abnormally long loading.

Bug! still has the problem of it being fickle with getting past the intro cutscene.

[sudden tusk]

Somebody check shin shinobi

[undone oyster]

This worked first time for me, let me check again

[ancient surge]

Shinobi Legions boots up, just like with the last build.

[shadow merlin]

I've checked EU and Japan version of this game and both worked

[undone oyster]

OK Bug didn't work 2nd time

[sudden tusk]

Maybe it’s my bin/cue .. will try a different one later

[drowsy hull]

shin shinobi den crashed when I skipped the intro

[undone oyster]

Panzer Dragoon Saga FMVs don't hang for me anymore

[shadow merlin]

I'm on dualram, haven't tried on single. Maybe that's the difference?

[ancient surge]

Oh, the sound regression bug in the Falcom Classics games don't happen anymore!

[undone oyster]

Can you try Shining The Holy Ark on dual?

[stray phoenix]

I have dual ram and the dual ram core restarts my MiSTer? tHE SINGLE IS FINE?

[shadow merlin]

Black screen, unfortunately

[mortal mist]

this should not happen

[shadow merlin]

No idea why that's happening. Maybe try redownloading the rbf?

[undone oyster]

Thank you 🙂 same result as me with Single

[ancient surge]

Shining the Holy Ark just doesn't boot for anyone.

[mortal mist]

#unstable-nightlies message

[stray phoenix]

Freezes for me too

[drowsy hull]

well, back to that money earning thing.

[undone oyster]

I figured this to be the case a few builds back it was hanging on now loading for me but getting in game for others

[shadow merlin]

testing seems to be a bit more consistent across different misters now

[stray phoenix]

Yes I did that and still restarts mister

Single is fine

I have dual ram as well

[mortal mist]

so there's something wrong with your setup

[stray phoenix]

Never had a problem before?

weird?

[undone oyster]

Did the rbf copy over properly

[stray phoenix]

Yes.

I ftp'ed it

[mortal mist]

previous versions of core worked well ?

[stray phoenix]

I have also unsed Instercoin and it does the same

[undone oyster]

I would double check the file size to be sure

[mortal mist]

filezilla ?

[stray phoenix]

yes

I have been usling filezilla for years

[mortal mist]

set to binary transfer ?

[marble lion]

Sexy Parodius works 🙂

[burnt matrix]

latest build pin updated

[undone oyster]

Thank you Robby

[naive whale]

does Radiant Silvergun have audio?

[undone oyster]

It does for me

[naive whale]

ok cool. Before I test

[stray phoenix]

Yes, but still restarts mister?

[naive whale]

imma try to knock something up for 4 today

[ancient surge]

Audio is working for me. There is still some sound popping though, but otherwise it works.

[naive whale]

Ive been writing down games as I see them come in here

[burnt matrix]

Reminder for people if they want to contribute to testing:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j7x_uX7WLA60dgOlvGVqqSdf1Gez8-rXN2MBJS7ThA8

[mortal mist]

if everything else for dualsdram works ok , and this core does not , then I have no ideas , you are the first person who has such a problem

[stray phoenix]

Yeah, somethings not right

Dual ram worked before

[ancient surge]

Magical Drop III still has the weird transparency bugs.

[undone oyster]

I need to update this a lot

Especially now the testing is consistent

[burnt matrix]

you're a legend, thank you so much

[tidal marsh]

sega rally championship now working for me on both todays single and dualram https://youtu.be/wm3R2ypn1fk

[ripe valley]

The last updates were only for the SCSP (sound processor), so no changes on visuals.

[ancient surge]

I still want to double check everything with each build, because sometimes developers do weird stuff with the hardware.

[naive whale]

so this core today is just on the sound side?

[sudden tusk]

It did for me two builds ago

[thorn pagoda]

wow cool so we have consistency now? this is awesome

[ancient surge]

Sound and stability.

[naive whale]

bingo. I havent read any notes. Getting my 7:30 am video out then coffee then MiSTer time

no coffee no workie

ill target 4 pm today CST with an update vid. Probably just 15 minutes though

[ancient surge]

@naive whale I would make note of Falcom Classics in particular, since that game had a sound regression bug that got fixed with this latest build.

[naive whale]

ill look into it

[stray phoenix]

How do I check that my dual ram is working right?

[ancient surge]

Thunder Force V seems a lot more stable now.

[mortal mist]

Try jaguar , or psx dualsdram

[stray phoenix]

There is a jaguar core?

[short shore]

Question about the saturn YC core, does this finally fix the CRT center problem?

[tidal marsh]

couldn't get the jaguar dual ram to do anything besides load the bios

[stray phoenix]

link to dual ram psx?

[mortal mist]

#1055574003810578503 message

[stray phoenix]

Thank you

will try it.

[mortal mist]

#test-builds message

Psx dual

[mortal mist]

You should be able to change ddr3 to sdram2 in the options for psx core, video audio section

[ancient surge]

Man the core is getting into a solid state. Just throwing random games at the wall, and I'm getting consistently good results.

Still some issues to iron out, but at least a lot of stuff is in a playable state now.

[burnt matrix]

Holy shit, I just played a full race of SEGA Rally with absolutely zero audio issues!

It felt perfect to me but I’m no Saturn expert.

[naive whale]

Ok files moved to mister. Next coffee

[burnt matrix]

@mortal mist / @undone oyster Sky Target is playable!!

[stray phoenix]

I don't see a option for changing, but just booted the psx dual and it's working

[naive whale]

Had to say that right after I finished moving files didn’t you

[stray phoenix]

Where is the option ofr ddr3 to sdram2

I haven't played with mister for a while

[burnt matrix]

Finally I can play shitty polygonal afterburner

[undone oyster]

In the audio/video options menu on the dual ram psx core

[naive whale]

God I hate you

Model 2 version is a 10/10!

[stray phoenix]

what? It's greyed out wtf?

I'm on the udal ram core only

dual

[undone oyster]

Then you have an issue with your setup

[stray phoenix]

is it the ram?

[drowsy hull]

Probably

[stray phoenix]

oh great

[burnt matrix]

@naive whale did you finish copying files?

[drowsy hull]

Reseating might help

[undone oyster]

Are both RAM slots seated properly? Is the dip switch in the correct position?

[stray phoenix]

I will try that

[burnt matrix]

I thinks that’s all the new games that work @naive whale

[stray phoenix]

I haven't opened my mister is ages

[undone oyster]

Next build, Bug! And Shining the Holy Ark will work and the core will be almost done 🙂

[stray phoenix]

I will try to open it when I get a chance

[undone oyster]

Check the switch closest to the HDMI port as well

[stray phoenix]

what should it be set too?

[kindred peak]

He chooses violence every time.

[undone oyster]

It should be on

[burnt matrix]

@naive whale HAW HAW GET BACK TO COPYING YOU MOOK

[naive whale]

Damn it does hotd have audio too?

[burnt matrix]

YES

[naive whale]

Ok well that’s on my card so I’ll add it to the list

[burnt matrix]

DAMNIT lol

[naive whale]

See you kids at 4

[amber lichen]

Anyone want to buy my Fenrir and Saturn?

[wise brook]

thought is fire up some bin/cue on the MiSTer saturn core

can confirm working with region free jp bios

3.0 ram

[mortal mist]

do you think it is ok decision ? this core is not working quite right yet ? I would wait 🙂

[winter phoenix]

Does the music work? David Leytze is a legend

[burnt matrix]

It does!

[winter phoenix]

Oh awesome

[burnt matrix]

Another bad game works, I’m sorry to say.

[amber lichen]

Anyone tried Bugs!?

[burnt matrix]

Some game called Radiant Shitgun is working

[winter phoenix]

You won’t bait me today Robby, you old troll 😆

[umbral radish]

Different mileage here for Sega Rally, Game works, but while the music starts it cuts out shortly afterwards. Same with Daytone CCE

[burnt matrix]

audio little scratchy on the VO but otherwise Radiant Silvergun is working great!

[stray phoenix]

Took my Mr. part

[lusty rapids]

looks like you need to flippy the flippy switch bit

[marble laurel]

first time i can see the intro of guardian heroes without hangs 😍 🎉

[wise brook]

oh heads up for crt users; games seem to be in perfect center position

[burnt matrix]

SATURN IS AWESOME!

[wise brook]

https://tenor.com/view/morpheus-believe-neo-beginning-to-believe-gif-5399492

man, even without a twin stick controller this blows Cybersled out the water

[stray phoenix]

Is that right

[mortal mist]

yes, correct

[stray phoenix]

lol

Let me try it now I have to put it all back together. Thank you, sir

[mortal mist]

❤️

Nights works with music , sound

perfect

i have music and sounds with Sega Rally all the time 🙂

[tall radish]

So just about everything that black screened for me on single SD boots and runs flawlessly save for some audio pops and level issues

[mortal mist]

dualsdram

[naive whale]

ok almost time to capture / test

[burnt matrix]

Should I be the jerk to request light gun support on GitHub? Lol

[wise brook]

isn't this one supposed to be problematic?

as in not booting

it's the 60hz hack btw

[naive whale]

up first; Daytona USA

[burnt matrix]

Ohhhh what’s that? Someone hacked the game to go from 30 to 60fps?

[naive whale]

ugh all this makes me want to do is yell at Sega for such a bad port of the Model 2 lol

[burnt matrix]

Whenever I think I’m playing a bad model 2 port, I remember it could always be worse. The game could be Sky Target.

[naive whale]

there must be lead in your water lines in texas

[burnt matrix]

lololol

I’m kidding today was the first time I played it.

[wise brook]

nah, way more important. 50hz to 60hz with the UK soundtrack

[burnt matrix]

Oh that’s cool!

[mortal mist]

for me this core update is amazing, many games work very well with music and sound now

[burnt matrix]

[naive whale]

Daytona audio much improved

[stray phoenix]

lol all working now.

I thought it was always working lol

Don't play with it much. very busy, but thank you for helping. Does it have to be in ddr3 or sdram2 mode?

[mortal mist]

for slightly better sound sdram2 🙂

[stray phoenix]

of just leave it

[stray phoenix]

Ok thank you. The dual ram saturn core is working great now. hahha

[naive whale]

Sky Target next

[stray phoenix]

Thank you kindly

[mortal mist]

great You solved it!

[naive whale]

Fun to see it working!

Also I jammed my 2.5V module on to give it the WORST shot

[burnt matrix]

Too bad about the game!

[naive whale]

so I can report that as working

[burnt matrix]

lmao ok I’ll stop

[naive whale]

Ive got 2.5, 2.9 and 3.0

[stray phoenix]

no you did. I just had to open it up, It's pain in the ass to close the case back up. cheers again

[naive whale]

figured it would be fun to go 2.5V because anyone else should see BETTER or same performance

[wise brook]

just need to check it with a-ram for the ultimate timing challenge

[naive whale]

seems like Srg320s rework of the components involving ram has paid off

is Sky Target running slow or is that just saturn

I always play Model 2. This is running at a slow FPS...but maybe thats just how it is

[wise brook]

he's got the chips close enough to real hardware, the disk loading timings and general integration are happening

feels like he's overcome the main challenges to bringing this project to the finish line.

I'd love to hear his take on how this project has gone for him. what was the hardest part etc

[naive whale]

lost redbook audio on Sky Target when Stage 2 boss loaded in

otherwise V good

HotD next

hey music!

for the first time ever

[marble laurel]

Great Update thank you SRG320 !!!!

[naive whale]

HotD working great...for Saturn. Great personality but not a good looking game

one sound sample in results screen for HotD between stage 1 and 2 did not play

def slowdown in sage 2

stage

shoot the panel path, going up stairs, two scissormen jump down...lags

if people are curious about that level of performance notes lol

Radiant Silvergun next

[ancient surge]

So I guess the SDRAM was the source of the inconsistent results the entire time?

[naive whale]

seems it. Nothing but success on my oldest ram module with worst performance

[river wing]

Sega Touring Car still looks utterly broken and sounds bad

[untold lintel]

oooh does SNAC on saturn have gun support?

[naive whale]

Silvergun works great, some audio popping here and there

Shinobi next

[mortal mist]

yeah Wipeout XL jak , working with music and sounds 🙂

[burnt matrix]

Sadly no, so I’m debating on whether or not to be the guy to bug him asking for support lol

[naive whale]

shinobi froze after FMV. Rebooting and trying again

hmm no cant get in game here

[untold lintel]

i got a saturn gun like 2 years ago on the "itll work eventually" kick

[mortal mist]

jap version ?

[naive whale]

Yep. Japanese version, hi saturn bios, japanese region

SotN next

[warped cliff]

Oh this is a big one isn't it?

[mortal mist]

in truth, I am very impressed with the performance of the core at the moment

never worked so well for me , different experience

[naive whale]

SotN works perfect

[ancient surge]

Still needs some more polish since some games still don't work, but we're getting pretty close now.

[inner token]

this sounds exciting wish I would have waited on the snac builds

[naive whale]

trying Virtua Cop 1 now

then to edit

actually Saturn Bomberman. I need that soundtrack hit

oh and Sega Rally. Forgot I havent gotten that yet

[untold spear]

so from what im reading this made a lot of things work better?

no more random results?

[ancient surge]

Things are now a lot more stable across the board.

[untold spear]

thats exciting

i wasnt planning on playing saturn today but time to get my ass out of bed

will load it up before work

[zinc vine]

anyone tried the snac build using retrobit 2.4ghz or blueretro receiver?

[naive whale]

Saturn Bomberman is perfect

[mortal mist]

Resident Evil is broken for me

no speech

Jill

[naive whale]

Sega Rally THEN done

big improvements all around

[inner token]

I have a little info on lightgun, want to see? maybe we can fix it

[naive whale]

Sega Rally is a banger too

[river wing]

BUG! hangs after intro movie here

[untold spear]

burning rangers used to crash on the fmv if i let it play. no longer is. will see if it lets me in game. it didnt before

... let me in game and plays fine now

[frail heath]

So what you guys are saying, it's finally time to spend some major time with the core?

[untold spear]

some graphic jank... but i recall burning rangers having that to begin with. cant tell if these are normal lol

[polar geode]

Anyone tried Thunderforce V yet?

[frail token]

We call those sexperts

For some reason it keeps getting blocked though

[mortal mist]

works great 🙂

[polar geode]

Oh shit

Thats a big update

[untold spear]

going to have to put on more games. the limited library of games i have on there right now all seem to run perfect

[polar geode]

Wow TFV is working amazing!

https://tenor.com/view/bravo-applause-round-of-standing-gif-20790999

[swift forge]

Clockwork knight gets a black screen when getting to the second level

[untold spear]

astal seems to have much better sound

it was a bit.. crunchy sounding as you progressed for me before lol

ill test clockwork knight too

[polar geode]

Ill have to check Darius 2 and see if the warp sound in the intro is still a fart lol

[cursive turtle]

setback with the sound but more games launch now so good changes overall. the core is really taking shape

[polar geode]

https://tenor.com/view/ateam-plan-together-i-love-it-when-hannibal-gif-19272497

[prime hare]

@naive whale are you testing the Saturn on a single or dual ram setup?

[mortal mist]

half hour Sega Rally testing , stable as rock with music and sound 🙂

[untold spear]

can confirm now it does not lock up there on single ram. see if you can obtain another image

[naive whale]

I did single 128 2.5V for this video today

I swapped out my ram to test the lowest variant for people

[untold spear]

i wasnt sure if you meant second stage or after first boss, so i beat the first boss just to be sure

[hollow pier]

looks like mister main just got updated aswell, unless it was already done and i didnt notice lol

saturn: some tweaks in CD loading.

[untold spear]

maan this is a great update. a lot of games working, sound bugs fixed, lots of fun stuff

[untold spear]

wonder if this will fix things further

[mortal mist]

great saturn day 🙂

[high bramble]

Saturn CD loading fixes in MiSTer main, apparently...

[subtle tusk]

I haven't had Redbook audio work for me in any game I've tried yet, maybe the main update will help that too.

[limpid wharf]

Huh, I was having issues with cd audio cutting out and fmvs stalling, wonder if that’ll fix it.

[untold spear]

i had issues with that too but in old core. i havent encountered that in new at all

[hollow pier]

ive still got that with the latest mister file

[untold spear]

maybe its game specific

[limpid wharf]

Ahh dang

[naive whale]

exporting. See you kids at 4

[ancient surge]

Testing out the new MiSTer build.

Rabbit still refuses to boot.

Shining The Holy Ark also still refuses to boot.

[naive whale]

hour and a half capture to upload. Might have beaten my own record

[drifting frigate]

Hot damn, bios loads automatically now.

[ancient surge]

However, I noticed that Twinkle Star Sprites now loads a lot faster now.

[mortal mist]

boot.rom ?

[drifting frigate]

bin

[ancient surge]

The bios doesn't load automatically with me.

[mortal mist]

same

[drifting frigate]

Still. I didn't change anything. Just cold booted and it popped up. I second guessed myself, so I did a power cycle and it popped right up.

Aaaand I just did it after playing Space Harrier (main fixed the single ram issue for me) and it didn't happen. I literally did it twice, once with a power cycle.

MiSTer's haunted.

[ancient surge]

Oh no, Fist works now.

[drifting frigate]

WTF...now manually loading BIOS is giving me a black screen too. OK, I'm going to record a cold boot....just so Zach Baggins has something to put on his show when the poltergeists get me.

[ripe valley]

I can't stand to be far away from my MiSTer system right now.

[drifting frigate]

OK, check it...cold boot (my network icon goes away and has to spin back up). First boot, nothing. Reboot (I never load bios), it loads.

👻

[ancient surge]

Does boot.rom still crash the core?

[naive whale]

ghosts in the machine. Time to splash it with holy (non conductive) water

[drifting frigate]

Lemme test it.

[mortal mist]

nope 🙂

works

no crash with boot.rom !

[drifting frigate]

Yep!

Totally works!

Thanks @mortal mist

[mortal mist]

and no cd_bios msg anymore !

[drifting frigate]

And instantly loads.

Hot damn.

[inner token]

that's big, great news

[mortal mist]

really big update my friends 😄

[polar geode]

Damn, this is a hell of an update. Srg320 needs more love on patreon

[gentle roost]

finally sega rally works with this new update

[drifting frigate]

It works on my dual ram setup now too finally!! Not just single!

[mortal mist]

no more questions about boot.rom and cd_bios.rom mgs

[burnt matrix]

wait, what happened?

[mortal mist]

it's a festival of joy

[mortal mist]

boot.rom works

[burnt matrix]

no more manually loading the bios?

[mortal mist]

and there is no more cd_bios msg

[polar geode]

https://www.patreon.com/srg320

Please support srg! (I do!)

[mortal mist]

no more 🙂

[burnt matrix]

omg

[drifting frigate]

Right?!

[burnt matrix]

*I will miss those days~ 🍃 *

[mortal mist]

works all the games I wanted to have , saturn to the closet 😄

[hollow pier]

need to get that mister laser fixed, audio keeps cutting out on sega rally intro lol

might turn the mister upside down to see if it fixes it

[ancient surge]

Yup, the boot.rom file now automatically boots up the bios.

[mortal mist]

sd card ?

[hollow pier]

the games are on a external usb hdd, might transfer them to the sd card but then again everything else on there is fine

[mortal mist]

maybe just try sd

[undone oyster]

Anyone tried the new unstable main?

[mortal mist]

i use ssd and all is ok

[undone oyster]

To see if it fixes Bug! And anything else?

[drifting frigate]

Yes, fixes single ram space harrier at least!

Lemme try bug

[high bramble]

Too many changes all at once...

N64 fixes
Saturn fixes
Nuked SMS on the horizon
I'm pink now
@naive whale is purple

What the hell is the world coming to?

[undone oyster]

Thank you @drifting frigate

[wise brook]

@naive whale Saturn Bomberman Fight looks so so good

[polar geode]

Only batty can be stylish teal pose

[naive whale]

play Wars too. Another banger

[drifting frigate]

Bug! still requires me to hit start at an exact moment to get past FMVs (not smash it right away like most games, right on the end of the first spin).

[wise brook]

low poly bomberguy!

[drifting frigate]

Still no on Night Striker for me. Shinobi. Rabbit. But, overall this is FANTASTIC.

[ancient surge]

Bug! still has the issue with loading pass the intro.

[wise brook]

I've had luck with my hacked Shinobi

[drifting frigate]

Oh, which hack?

[ancient surge]

Night Striker and Shinobi work for me. Rabbit is still a no-show.

[drifting frigate]

Seems like jumping past the unload of the title fmv would do it.

[wise brook]

the 60htz one

[drifting frigate]

Copy. I'll give it a go.

[sullen sage]

En términos de perfección que tan cerca o lejos está la emulación de saturn en mister vs consola?

[drifting frigate]

I envy you on NS. I love that game.

[drifting frigate]

It varies game to game. 100% on a small number, 80-90 on a bunch, not at all on a bunch.

[polar geode]

Night Striker is excellent

[junior zenith]

The character portraits on the hero selection screen were replaced with alternative portraits from the art catalog on the game CD;

I like this project but the in-game portraits were already great. Here are the updated portraits

[wise brook]

no 👏 european 👏 on 👏 main 👏

/s

[sullen sage]

Im mexican it is better?

[wise brook]

yes

[polar geode]

The improvement patch really needs to be combined with the translation patch at some point

[wise brook]

that 4mb improvement patch was a minor controversy on the Shiro discord

[drifting frigate]

Muy...mucho?

Yes.

[polar geode]

Did it steal work from that chinese hacker?

[drifting frigate]

So is there both a 2MB and a 4MB? I only have the 2MB.

[wise brook]

as for the Chinese hack. some really talented saturn fan programmers looked it up and down and concluded it was basically Smoke and mirrors

[sharp mauve]

yeah i prefer the ingame portraits honestly

[naive whale]

hes a charmer

[drifting frigate]

I love his 2 hour diatribes about fuses.

[polar geode]

Can you explain?

[wise brook]

it's been a while but iirc KnightofDragon and another prominent saturn hacker/developer analyzed the code and found it really didn't help much. because it didn't target the real glaring faults with how the game was coded.

massive chunks of memory wasted on storing kanji symbols redundantly

[polar geode]

Interesting. But thats different from the rhdn improvement hack right?

[wise brook]

yh

[polar geode]

I wonder if the 2 hackers could be convinced to make a combined patch

[wise brook]

my wildest dream, rebuild the whole damn game from the ground up

[polar geode]

I wish haha

[burnt matrix]

is the saturn translation pretty complete now?

[cursive turtle]

SF Zero 3 works for me now neat. Time for World Tour mode

[polar geode]

It is yes Robby

[drifting frigate]

@wise brook found the secret sauce!! He's a genius!

Turn off pad 1...now I can get into Night Striker, Shinobi, etc.

[wise brook]

it's true I am very smort

Shinobi plays really well with an n64 controller somehow

[cursive turtle]

N64 controller is secretly the best Saturn pad

Don’t tell no one

[tidal raptor]

You can make both Saturn and N64 fans hate you by playing Nights with an N64 controller today

[pearl harbor]

Another Saturn update!? Sega does what Ninten.....(sees that there's another N64 update today as well).....damnit!

[cursive turtle]

N64 fans can’t handle that the Saturn is cooler than it

[burnt matrix]

I love the N64 and Saturn is amazing!!

[wise brook]

5th gen Supreme

[pearl harbor]

I do admittedly love both (and PS1!), but I do love Saturn more.

[burnt matrix]

I love the SNES/Genesis/TG16. I really do. So many incredible games there. But my heart belongs to 5th gen.

[tidal raptor]

I appreciate all my 5th gen friends, even the 3do

[ancient surge]

Except for PC-FX. That shit sucks.

[untold spear]

i prefer the mister console. that thing plays everything

[cursive turtle]

Even the Jaguar is interesting in its own right

[tidal raptor]

I've never really played one, but I know multiple people interested in translating the PC-FX library, so I can appreciate it from that perspective.

[high bramble]

Interesting that it (Jaguar) was ever green-lit in the first place.

[tidal raptor]

We just got that wild emulation hack for multiplayer the other day, the Jaguar continues to live on

[polar geode]

GOD ROBBY PICK A SIDE ALREADY

[burnt matrix]

Jaguar!!!

[high bramble]

Double-Agent

[tidal raptor]

Robby is patiently waiting for the Super A'Can core, his true favorite

[polar geode]

Fine, enjoy your CD toilet!

[mortal mist]

forever in my heart !

[high bramble]

He's playing us against each other! Don't for his tactics!

[wise brook]

pcfx was a victim of NEC misjudging the market.
they went from trying to ride out the pce so hard that they lost their fans to the super famicom and turned up late to the fmv craze after the genre was squandered.

[cursive turtle]

Jaguar has the best bios screen of the gen I’ll give it that

[wise brook]

had pc-fx launched when first possible in '92 that would have been quite the market disruption

[untold spear]

i think pc fx has a lot of good untranslated jrpgs doesn't it

as well as a bunch of.. questionable games

[ancient surge]

Them pushing the FMV was a really weird decision. Even back in the day, people were catching onto the fact those FMV video games were really shallow experiences, so having a console double down on that felt like a mistake.

[inner token]

that's interesting, let me know if you find more examples of that.

[drifting frigate]

I was literally about to type a message to you. Hehe.

[wise brook]

their goal of making "the anime console" was interesting. I think fmv would have become a different thing had they took the lead on it

[drifting frigate]

I'm getting video right now for VGE. Including the trick.

[wise brook]

again 92 it was all in the air

[drifting frigate]

(Also new main prevents the snac build from snaccing... just dead on the pad).

[ancient surge]

The MiSTer is on a strict diet now, so no more SNACs

[inner token]

damn I'll have to look, not sure what could break it

[polar geode]

That's what I thought, but I've since learned only two of them are hentai. PC98 is still the smut GOAT.

[burnt matrix]

omg really

that puts my view on fanbase in a different light LOL

no judging, I'm happy people enjoy what they enjoy and that's awesome

[tidal raptor]

I mean it's a PC, there was a market people could tap into. But there's still a huge chunk of PC98 stuff that isn't porn too

[polar geode]

PC98 has a ton of smut yes, but don't write it off. It has a ton of non smut good stuff too

Yes agree

[burnt matrix]

oh no, I don't write it off at all

it's just not for me

art is art

unless its illegal then no

[polar geode]

Your face is art

[burnt matrix]

lol

[tidal raptor]

You're saying touhou 1-5 aren't good enough for you?

[high bramble]

See?! He's pitting us against each other! Don't fall for it! 😉

[polar geode]

Rusty, Farland Story games, Flame Zapper Kotsujin...

[tidal raptor]

Lots of horror stuff on the PC98 too

[drifting frigate]

And an N64 test build? I'm dead. I've died.

[tidal raptor]

That Tuesday steamroller just strolled right through

[mortal mist]

still can not believe , that core works so well now

[untold spear]

same

i loaded all the games id know for sure id want to play for testing

[quick lava]

This build is really good. Runs most of the stuff I've thrown at it now.

[untold spear]

and not a single one of them crashed

[quick lava]

I need you Saturn-heads to tell me what your favorite games are.

[untold spear]

i feel like the next few updates may be that last few bits before crashing and issues become rare

it seems they already are to me, but stuff like grandia still has graphic issues

[ancient fractal]

With todays build the audio in Layer Section is great, for the first time ever on my setup

[untold spear]

yeah a lot of audio seemed fixed. i did run into the occasional crackle after a bit more play, but major ones like in astal seem all fixed

astal used to get really crackly later into the first stage and bad into the second

now there is no issue at all

[mortal mist]

i have music and sounds in almost every game for the first time

and does not interrupt , Sega Rally I tested for an hour

[frail heath]

Any specific bios recommended?

or is it whatever as long as it's on the list?

[mortal mist]

any bios on the list should be ok

[hoary sable]

HiSaturn 1.01 bios, Single DRAM (2-chip version):

• Dracula X: Works! Actually, works really really well. Never got past FMV intro before, if I got anything after the "preloading" dialog at all.
• Panzer Dragoon Zwei: FMV hangs in beginning but now the title screen comes up and the game starts. Controls of the game are another story but that's not the core's fault. 😄

This is looking really exciting now that I can get some games running for a change. 😄 Thanks so much!

[polar geode]

@kind stump this update seems pretty significant, would you be interested in making a Y/C fork for it for the S-video folk?

[kind stump]

Ill update the core today, it's hard to maintain a fork with three separate repos for it

[polar geode]

Much appreciated

[thorn pagoda]

new build of main today too w/ fixes for saturn?

anyone know what else that sorts out?

[mortal mist]

nothing changed for me

[marsh hedge]

Audio working great now just on the quiet side, but no popping or cutting out in the games I have tested so far

[marble laurel]

it is quite better on my side with 1SDRAm v2.5
No more freeze or sound stops on many games

[ripe valley]

Impressive release.

• The sounds effects are correct now on Astra Super Stars.

• Burning Rangers works without sounds, music, speech system.

• The intro FMV on Clockwork Knight works completely instead of blocking when arriving to the clock, can be bypassed on earlier releases by pressing the START button.

• Minor caveat, no sound on the original Rainbow Islands on Bubble Bobble also featuring Rainbow Islands.

• Bug! is finnicky to boot, like for the others testers here.

And I'm just beginning my tests.

[wheat citrus]

Is mister unstable needed for the audio fixes?

[trim nimbus]

looks like there were changes to bios loading in unstable

[mortal mist]

boot.rom is working fine now

[wise brook]

huh?
I'm on stable, and simply renaming the bios to boot.rom is all that's needed

[mortal mist]

yes

than no more cd_bios.rom missing msg

[trim nimbus]

it is when you are switching games, also a status bit is always cleared now

not sure that will fix audio

[wise brook]

I've not seen anyone test for differences caused by using unstable MiSTer

[trim nimbus]

those are the changes that I see

[untold spear]

is there any way to update to mister unstable without removing the sd card

[trim nimbus]

you can always ftp it over and restart

[untold spear]

that seems to fail

just tried that

[trim nimbus]

ssh and kill the process?

[untold spear]

i wonder..

[trim nimbus]

never tried myself, so can’t give first hand advice 😄

[untold spear]

ah screw it. i'll take out the sd card

i hate doing that. pain in the arse to remove it lol

[mortal mist]

i use winscp , never had problem

[trim nimbus]

haha, I hate putting the card back in more

[untold spear]

winscp. ill try that

im using filezilla

[trim nimbus]

I have definitely lost the card in that case multiple times

[mortal mist]

use binary transfer

not auto

[untold spear]

last time i just used double sided tape

[mortal mist]

then it will be ok

[untold spear]

already using binary and not auto

[mortal mist]

ok

[untold spear]

ill just give winscp a try and see if that works

[mortal mist]

WINSCP 😄

never failed me

[untold spear]

and if all else fails... ill do the double sided tape sd card removal process

that i love so so much

[drifting frigate]

Space Harrier on single ram with mister main = stutter every time a bullet is fired by you or the enemy. Unstable = clean and smooth. That's all the comparison Idid. Dual RAM was smooth on both.

[untold spear]

winscp worked

[mortal mist]

great 🙂

[polar geode]

Dracula X Improvement is running really good now

The sound and music issues are fixed

[untold spear]

think ill stick to that one from here on

ehh boot.rom really works

i suppose once this is all up to date in the mister main releases less questions about black screen will occur

[sick hare]

Cotton 2 works nice now

[wise brook]

I just swapped to unstable. playing Sakura Wars eng patch.

any time a new tune loads you get a static-y boom noise

same as on stable

[untold spear]

thats a mister exclusive feature

added content

[ancient surge]

I remember Cotton 2 being broken the first time I booted it up on the new core build, with no sound and it quickly crashing.

But I guess that was just a fluke, since it worked perfectly when I tried again.

[mortal mist]

Burning Rangers works fine for me , sound , music, speech

[untold spear]

there was a tiny graphic issue with magic knight rayearth at the start. will see if thats fixed for the sake of it

[sick hare]

Oh, layer section I and II works!

[untold spear]

can confirm, burning rangers works fully

[ancient surge]

I remember the Sakura Wars Columns game doing the same thing on older builds of the core.

[wise brook]

I've just tried both the japanese and eng patched version of Tactics Ogre.
still no progress past the sega license screen

again, on unstable and normal build

[sick hare]

Shienryu now starts, first time for me

[wise brook]

interesting. must have been some particular loading command they focused on

[river wing]

If you get a game that doesn't work, remember to update to latest unstable MiSTer executable too!
BUG! started working fine for me after updating both the core AND MiSTer executable.

[mortal mist]

thanks for the info !

[sick hare]

Shienryu works but something happens with tate mode

[burnt matrix]

@polar geode worth playing the SotN Saturn port now?

I’ll have to DM you and ask you what I need to do lol

[drowsy hull]

is it ever?

[cursive turtle]

The SotN Saturn port just looks too funky to me, it just looks off

[wet hull]

There is a Rom hack for SOTN

[mortal mist]

i prefer PSX version

[wet hull]

That uses the 4mb cart

[untold spear]

i prefer the ps1 version, but i think i'd prefer saturn if the 4mb and translation patches were combined

[ripe valley]

Sorry, I didn't read back my sentence, typo.
It works completely now.

[mortal mist]

🙂

[untold spear]

maybe so used to burning rangers having some sort of issue

lol

ive never played originals nights.. but is a noise supposed to play constantly after a bit

[ripe valley]

So far, almost everything I throw on the emulator works.

Only Tactical Ogre, Super Tempo and Rabbit refused.

Cyberbots works completely, the two Soukyuu Gurentai games too now.
The Vampire Savior/Hunter series.

[untold spear]

sounds almost like an alarm. i was thinking i was doing something i wasn't supposed to

but then a second alarm appeared on top of it

and a third

all while normal music and sounds were playing lol

"man.. i must be doing horribly"

"... what am i supposed to be even doing again"

[polar geode]

DM me

[mortal mist]

haha yes , it was annoying

[polar geode]

Region free us bios for no hassle

[sick hare]

With this update it clearly shows that sometimes you have to go a little back to run further. For me it has improved a lot

[mortal mist]

this is the way

[kind stump]

Lunch builds complete

[polar geode]

Excellent, thank you for helping out the S-video folk.

[wise brook]

gonna miss pepo asking "but why no cd bios found?"

[mortal mist]

hahaha

where is my bios???? wherreeee

[wise brook]

now it'll just be "why crt output no center? am doing wrong thing?"

[mortal mist]

better this than bios and black screen 🙂

[wise brook]

"should I buy -insert dodgy af aliexpress product-?"

[amber lichen]

This new core is much improved. Daytona USA ran for me, Doom ran for me which never did from day 1, Bugs doesn't work though freezes after intro

[mortal mist]

try with Mister unstable