Sega Saturn

[old pasture]

Thanks Zet

[ancient surge]

Sakura Wars Columns no longer has those obnoxious "explosions", but the audio volume is low.

[old pasture]

I'm also gonna add a few more games that were requested during the stream. Yesterday

I remember Gex and elevator action was in them

[mortal mist]

we lost @sudden tusk ....

damn gifs

[old pasture]

Damn, it was self inflicted lol

[ancient surge]

Thunder Force V still doesn't work lol

[old pasture]

No Taco for an hour. Life is boring already lol

[ripe valley]

We need to test Elevator Action Returns too, the sounds of enemies in fire was hilarious before (maybe a problem with sample rate, chipmunk style).

[old pasture]

I'll test that later for sure

[sudden tusk]

They took much JIF!!

[mortal mist]

haha

[ripe valley]

I'm home for the rest of the week, so I have time for tests within the next minutes.

[sudden tusk]

DEY TOOK MY JIF!

[naive whale]

Looks like I gotta make a vid today

[sudden tusk]

Can you make it and publish it today please

[naive whale]

Bios rename still the same? On the new core

And what is it again? 🤣 gonna use my new build today (I’m sick and my brain doesn’t work)

[sudden tusk]

Audio is fixed in DF 2

No more snaps crackles and pops

[mortal mist]

ehhhh whateva

Sega Rally ?

😄

[sudden tusk]

Im loading sega rally rn

[digital basalt]

Lol it says CD bios not found

Sounds like bug

[mortal mist]

yes indeed

[ancient surge]

Madou Monogatari now has music, but the audio breaks after a while and it still runs at half speed.

[sudden tusk]

And sega rally is a no go ,

[mortal mist]

no way

no way

you are wrong

[digital basalt]

How are you able to run @sudden tusk

[mortal mist]

your mister is wrong

[wanton elk]

How's Die Hard arcade now?

[ancient surge]

Let me try SEGA Rally real quick.

[sudden tusk]

Wait nvm sega rally has audio once in race!

[mortal mist]

wtf?!

heart attack man

😄

thanks!

[ancient surge]

SEGA Rally Championship has the music keep popping in and out.

[undone oyster]

The real question is, did this build fix the games that were not booting for some people??

[mortal mist]

we will see

[digital basalt]

Trash Derpy is working

With music n sound

Both

[ancient surge]

I'm trying Shinobi Legions again. Not expecting anything.

[sudden tusk]

Try resetting once

[tiny flare]

Sega rally still a white screen for me, same as the last few builds…

[ancient surge]

Nope, still stuck on a black screen.

[ripe valley]

Single RAM ?

[tiny flare]

Yep

[old pasture]

Expect the worst but hope for the best

[old pasture]

The Magic touch

[digital basalt]

MANX TT SUPERBIKE game runs but music issue. Sfx works

[old pasture]

END MOVIE END!

[sudden tusk]

Happened to me the first time I loaded it up , try resetting once

[old pasture]

This movie needs to CowaENDA!

[tiny flare]

Yeah, tried a couple times, no dice. Seems very timing-y if that’s what worked for you, must still be some bugs of that nature to shake out

[digital basalt]

Sprites are missing in Thunder Force V and music comes n goes. Just like my crush

[sudden tusk]

Well sega rally music does cut off randomly

At least sfx are consistent and it seems to be playing at the proper speed

[ancient surge]

Okay so I'm noticing differences between the single and dual RAM builds of SEGA Rally Championship.

The single RAM build seems to be more stable? Maybe a fluke?

[undone oyster]

😮

[mortal mist]

for me is the same ( based on previous versions of core )

[undone oyster]

I thought Dual was supposed to be more stable

[mortal mist]

in theory yes

[digital basalt]

Sega Rally worked for me but music comes n goes

[sudden tusk]

But it’s a real toss up with this core

[sudden tusk]

Same

Dang it! Guardian heroes still goes black screen after pressing start

[tiny flare]

I wouldn’t read much into it yet given the difference in results people are seeing

[mortal mist]

ehhhh

A few cores ago I completed Guardian Heroes

[sudden tusk]

Yeah it broke like 2 cores ago

[tiny flare]

It seems like things are working or not working by accident still at this point

[undone oyster]

Because you are lucky Kuba

[digital basalt]

Galactic Attack works but music is messed up

[mortal mist]

i was lucky 🙂

[sudden tusk]

Don’t care , all I wanna play is DF 1 and 2 and those are super solid now specially now that we can save

[mortal mist]

not now anymore

heheheh

[undone oyster]

I haven't been able to run Guardian Heroes for like 3 builds now (not including this one)

[ripe valley]

Same.

[sudden tusk]

Still not working fuzz

[digital basalt]

Guardian Heros stuck on black screen

But music works

[undone oyster]

I am at work, I haven't been able to test yet

[mortal mist]

i don't remember when it stop working

[ancient surge]

Guardian Heroes doesn't boot on the single RAM build, but it does on the dual RAM build.

[mortal mist]

for me it hangs on dual

black screen

[undone oyster]

I wonder when we should start letting SRG320 know about the games running on a per person basis

[digital basalt]

Darius Gaiden, Music missing

😦

[ancient surge]

Okay, it then softlocks on a black screen after the intro FMV

[mortal mist]

when core will be beta ? 🙂

[undone oyster]

I mean I still can't run Shining the holy ark

[digital basalt]

God bless this Saturn core

XD

[undone oyster]

Can anyone run Shining the holy ark on single ram?

[ancient surge]

I'm booting up the games people are saying don't work to see if I get any better results.

My MiSTer has been pretty consistent with getting games to work, which is why I always double check.

[sudden tusk]

Legend of oasis sound is …. Fixed!

With saving legend of oasis is super playable now

[tiny flare]

Soukuugurentai gets in game for me now, which is new, crash after the first stage though, also some kind of polygon ordering issue

[sudden tusk]

Now that saves are implemented in assuming SRG can start debugging !

[tiny flare]

(Was going to say Z buffer issue but afaik the Saturn didn’t have one, haha)

[undone oyster]

Last build (not todays) fixed the exploding polygons in Die Hard Arcade so if today's fixed the audio then it should be very playable until it randomly crashes or takes control away

[ancient surge]

Shining The Holy Ark is very unstable. Prone to crashing on both builds.

[undone oyster]

Can you at least get passed the initial now loading screen?

[ancient surge]

I can, but it crashes on the "Sonic Software Planning" logo.

[tiny flare]

Radiant Silvergun no dice

[undone oyster]

On both builds?

[ancient surge]

Same result.

Tries to play the audio, the audio cuts away, then crash.

[undone oyster]

Ok

[ancient surge]

Maybe I can brute force my way through? I doubt I'll get any different results.

[wanton elk]

Die Hard Arcade seem to have working sound now without cracks, but the volume is low. 😊

[undone oyster]

Sounds good to me 🙂

You know how to get more credits in DHA right??

[wanton elk]

No 🤷

[sudden tusk]

Deepscan!

[wanton elk]

Road rash freeze on EA intro

[undone oyster]

Yeah play deep scan for a while and you will gain credits for the main game

[sudden tusk]

VF remix has good sound at the proper levels, now let’s see if it gets pass level 3

[burnt matrix]

THE PROPHET HAS RETURNED!!

🪐

[sudden tusk]

It dropped in the early morning but close enough lol

[undone oyster]

Noooo not the prophet, everybody run away!!! Hehehe

[sudden tusk]

VF remix is now working correctly

Well shoot that’s all the testing I got for today cause I gotta go to work!

[undone oyster]

I need to do some testing when I get home from work

[wanton elk]

Layer section (japan) have sound issues for me

[sudden tusk]

Thunder force V still missing all sprites lol

[mortal mist]

without sprites it's better

hardcore mode

[sudden tusk]

At least the music works great and that’s hardcore enough for me

[wanton elk]

Radiant Silvergun black screen

[sudden tusk]

I don’t even care what else works , as long as I can now save a game of Dragon Force 1 and 2!

[ancient surge]

Grandia still a broken mess. At least the audio is more stable.

[sudden tusk]

Fighting vipers and fighters mega mix working almost perfect but low sound

[mortal mist]

I know that the Saturn version of Thunderforce V is a little better , but I spent many hours playing on the PSX

I don't miss it now 😛

i love Sega Rally and Guardian Heroes

[sudden tusk]

The psx core truly is a blessing

But this Saturn core is gonna be right up there with it

[sudden tusk]

Sonic racing ?

[mortal mist]

i like it 😛

[thorn pagoda]

todays update is just save support?

[mortal mist]

but guardian and sega R these were the games for which I bought a Saturn

[burnt matrix]

Someone plz check Virtual On

[mortal mist]

who cares bleh 😄

nah it's great game

[thorn pagoda]

once the saturn core is finished, i can retire my saturn, which is my last analog only console, which means i can retire the entire analog side of my setup, probably 100M+ of cabling, switchers etc

can't wait

[burnt matrix]

when you say retire you mean like a retirement home retire or like blade runner retire?

[thorn pagoda]

like office space retire

[wanton elk]

Sound o on Bust a move 3 is pretty good but not perfect

[thorn pagoda]

😛 nah i'll probably sell them, it's all quality stuff, gscart, RGC cables etc

[ancient surge]

Save support, audio fixes, other miscellaneous things.

[thorn pagoda]

neat

i'll test the only game i ever test, resident evil 😛

[mortal mist]

#1046941029296779344 message

[thorn pagoda]

last i checked the cutscenes were still having very funny bugs

[mortal mist]

haha

this game hangs in different places depending on the core dual/single

[ancient surge]

Glitches aside, I want to dig deeper into Grandia because now I can save.

[mortal mist]

Barry's never-ending run

[thorn pagoda]

my favorite is when jill and barry get lost walking 10ft across the main hall to the dining room and are trapped running in circles for eternity

[mortal mist]

😄

yeah same for Barry

[thorn pagoda]

it'll probably be the last game to work properly when all timings everywhere are nailed down, you remember how sensitive it was on psx 😄

[wanton elk]

Bubble Symphony sounds fine, some small sound glitches.

[tiny flare]

Hangs after control device select screen

Scratch that after resetting you can get to the title screen - then it hangs after I select arcade mode

[burnt matrix]

😭

[sudden tusk]

@undone oyster shinning in the holy ark working well but low music

[mortal mist]

which means, as always, everyone has different results 😄

[tiny flare]

Ooh, even selecting music in the sound test in the options screen causes it to hang. Something something CD timings once again I’m going to guess

[burnt matrix]

oh wow, the Shenmue Saturn build works on this latest core

[naive whale]

Lol either I missed a release or you are trolling hard this morning

[mortal mist]

Living here without gifs is sad

very sad

[acoustic sable]

They bury useful reports

[acoustic sable]

I prefer the N64 port myself

[burnt matrix]

lol I need to really stop trolling, sorry

[mortal mist]

don't say that , it's also sad 😛

[naive whale]

Haha sometimes I miss shit but my bullshit detector went off on that one

[sudden tusk]

Stop bringing it up or you shall arise suspicions!

Twisted metal Saturn port working well

[ripe valley]

Some missing sounds on Rayman now when multiple SFX should be read.
Regression on Gokujō Parodius Da! Deluxe Pack (sound effects are read 3 times when choosing an option in-game).

We have sound and music now on Grandia FMVs.

Bug! doesn't want to boot anymore on my system now.

Saving seems to work now as intended, even after a power cycle.

SEGA Rally boots (depends on systems), sound effects doesn't cut but music will (as others said earlier).

[mortal mist]

I finish work soon , but there is nothing left for me to test !

thanks 😄

[thorn pagoda]

no Bug! reports

[balmy kelp]

This core's image is shifted too far to the left when using a crt. Are there core settings that can be made to correct for this?

[naive whale]

not yet

[eager solstice]

which bios are folks using?

[mortal mist]

not for now

[zinc vine]

do we have to change the boot name or leave it as is

[sudden tusk]

Not yet

[sudden tusk]

Dang it I’m just starting work!

[naive whale]

I wont start capturing till this afternoon. Too early

gonna have to chug tea with honey to make my sick voice turn into something not garbage

[ripe valley]

Some regressions on the Cotton games, the two games freeze for a second and some sound effects are getting stucked after that.
And Grandia can't go in-game anymore, it freeezes in an infinite loop around the end of the intro.
Legend of the Oasis is much better now, as the others said.

[naive whale]

bummer. Those worked last rev

[balmy kelp]

@mortal mist Are you aware of any ini settings that can be played with for horizontal adjustment?

[mortal mist]

nothing can be done about it at the moment (it's core thing )

unless you have the ability to change it on TV

some games are centered

Sega Rally for example

[naive whale]

if you have a CRT and can get into the service menu you can work around it

but thats some high test / high touch stuff that maybe I wouldn't recommend

[balmy kelp]

Thanks @naive whale. I'm familiar with the service menu, but was hoping for a software solution since I'd have to have undo the horizontal adjustment any time I'm not using the Saturn core.

[wise brook]

if you wanna spend money to remedy a temporary quirk of an alpha state core.

h & v rgb scart adjuster

[mortal mist]

Yeah , i use this one

Works fine

[balmy kelp]

@wise brook @mortal mist Is this effectively a passthrough with no added lag? I've actually been considering this, since I run quite a few different consoles/crt emudriver, and most of them could use micro-adjustments

[wanton elk]

My 15khz monitors have H-Shift dial on the front panel. Really handy when playing on the saturn core.

[naive whale]

Yeah we are just not there yet

[wanton elk]

Crowbar or hammer and break off the left part of the bezel. Bet there's at least half an inch hiding under there. 😙

[balmy kelp]

Yeah, I've got vga monitors with somewhat convenient osd position options, but I primarily use my mister on a consumer tv, and playing around with the service menu for specific cores destroys that pick up and play factor

[ancient surge]

Asuka 120% Limited Burning Fest still has the same audio and graphical problems.

Virtual On Cyber Troopers boots and runs, but the broken graphics make it unplayable.

[sacred goblet]

Bug! US do a black screen after the intro video. I don't have audio cd-track in sega rally 😦

[analog totem]

Same

[analog totem]

Yep, Bug! no longer works for me past the intro video as well

currently, the Saturn core is Bug! free

[undone oyster]

Hahahaha

[warped cliff]

hmm, if it has save support already, maybe it could be considered alpha state. unless there are other key features that are straight up missing.

[undone oyster]

Not sure what key features are missing anymore

[ripe valley]

Major sound improvements on SEGA Ages - Outrun.
Same major sound improvements on SEGA Ages - I love Mickey Mouse & I Love Donald Duck.

Some games otherwise have shorter sound effects, like on Time Bokan Series or even missing sfx between two other samples at the same time.

[naive whale]

Heheh nice

[sacred goblet]

There are no Bug! on this saturn core 🙂

[ripe valley]

Bug! Too works so far. 😏

[polar geode]

Regression on Dracula X audio for improvement patch, english translation patch freezes on black screen before Alucard game's intro movie

[warped cliff]

That's a very good sign, if every feature exists in some reasonable form

every feature of the original hardware

[undone oyster]

Yeah even if it is in its absolute basic form I think it is all there now

[warped cliff]

Nice! Yeah then I think it's totally fair to call it in alpha state

[undone oyster]

Yeah Alpha sounds about right for now, Beta will be when every feature of every subsection is fully implemented

[polar geode]

Glad to know srg is doing well. Surprised saving is being added to such an early form of the core.

[naive whale]

Most likely to aid in development. Easier to fix bugs when you can get back to them / if people send you save files for games they encounter issues with you can get to where you need to be quickly

[polar geode]

One would think save states would be more helpful for that, but I dont know the complexity of implementing that by comparison

[warped cliff]

I think beta is usually when most show stopper bugs are fixed, so in theory it's ready for marketing and public testing. But I don't think srg320 is going about it that way since he's not selling the product.

basically minimal crashes, or hangs. there may be sub features of the CPU that are literally not used by any game, and he could put it off indefinitely

[undone oyster]

Yeah I agree with that 🙂

[ripe valley]

Major sound improvements on Herc's Adventures. Characters during FMVs and music during the game haven't cut at all during a 30mins playthrough.

[ripe valley]

The core is already 93% in ALM, so maybe save states will be not possible.
EDIT : 93% is what I had at the end of the compilation time today, as I wanted to check something on the core and eventually comment out the CD BIOS message.

[polar geode]

Makes sense.

[ripe valley]

When I try to read the source code of the core and understand some choices done there.

[warped cliff]

Yikes, that is nuts. I hope it won't have to get much bigger than that, otherwise the core might not run at full speed even when everything is there and all the bugs are fixed

Maybe he can reduce ALM usage by having PAL and NTSC as separate cores

[undone oyster]

It is probably just not optimised yet, from what I heard SRG320 doesn't normally work this way, he makes the core completely and then uploads it, but due to what is currently happening in his country and having to occasionally go days without Internet he is uploading any changes as he can

[warped cliff]

It wouldn't surprise me if the core ends up bigger than the N64 core. they really overloaded that system with hardware

[ancient surge]

Maybe Video CD Card compatibility for the few games that used it.

The only game that needed it was Lunar Silver Star Story MPEG-Ban though.

https://segaretro.org/Video_CD_Card

[warped cliff]

Wouldn't the decoder be a bit bulky?

I think there was such an adapter for PSX as well, but I don't remember if any games used it.

[ancient surge]

Maybe. I doubt the core will include it since it's already pushing limits as is, but it's technically a "key feature" since otherwise a game straight up won't work.

[warped cliff]

Really? I thought they would typically fall back to a lower quality video

[ancient surge]

Though keep in mind there is a normal version of Lunar Silver Star Story that plays on stock hardware, so even if the core doesn't support the MPEG version at least it won't be a big loss.

[undone oyster]

Yeah I forgot about that, was it actually built into the system or was it external?

[pearl harbor]

Oh muh goodness! My prediction was wrong! And I'm happy about it!

Time to start testing!

[ancient surge]

It was a separate peripheral you would stick into the back of the SEGA Saturn.

[undone oyster]

That is what I thought, I guess if there is space after the core is complete and optimised then he might tackle it and see how much space it takes

Did it only work for Lunar or did it actually allow for video CDs to be played in the Saturn?

[ancient surge]

From the SEGA Retro wiki

[undone oyster]

Ohhh cool

[pearl harbor]

Also, congrats to @sudden tusk for having the closer prediction on the core update!....is what I would say, but we're going by Price is Right rules, so I actually win!

[ancient surge]

If the core itself can't support it, I could see a SNAC adapter being made. But that runs into the issue of the Video CD Card being so niche that making an entire SNAC adapter for it feels pointless.

[leaden dagger]

I think theres already a beta snac made by misteraddons

[ripe valley]

Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo seems to work completely now, no more SFX or music cut during matches and the intro plays completely without issues (tested with 5 matches in a row).
Waku Waku 7, the sound seems more correct now and SFX aren't shouty anymore.

Good news everyone.
Street Racer now works on the core, playable and all.
It never worked before.

[naive whale]

It’s always price is right rules

[modern dirge]

I noticed Quake actually has lighting effects now. even if they're slightly broken like Powerslave.

[pearl harbor]

So I installed the latest MiSTer unstable build, and the new Saturn core. It works, but the auto save option is grayed out. Did I miss something?
Edit: Never mind, I must have been playing a game that doesn't save. It works now!

[wooden dew]

Has anyone tried Elevator Action Returns?

[blazing lance]

My boi bacon about to put in the late hours

[pearl harbor]

First save test I did is Castlevania SotN with Alucard. Went to the first save room, and it did indeed work! Rebooted the MiSTer, and booted up the save in the game.

[hard reef]

Sound is much improved for me with today’s builds - I get bios boot sounds and the audio is present in Sega Ages OutRun

[tall radish]

I had been trying it with every update, plays perfectly, except for the audio getting really screwy. Will try it again as soon as I get this updated.

[ripe valley]

No changes.

[wooden dew]

hell yeah

[ripe valley]

Chou-Aniki is working better on the sound department, no more shouty SFX and the game works at least on the first level.
(And I've lost my mind trying that game.)

[naive whale]

I’m so fucking sick too. Loaded up on enough cold meds to move a baby elephant

But I’m sitting down now to get after it for tomorrow

[blazing lance]

Don't push yourself, we can wait!

And feel better

[naive whale]

I have no time this week except today

I feel “fine”…just a cold that won’t quit. Not Covid, just general ick

[blazing lance]

Yeah I'm ab to board a plane back home and I'm sure in 5 days then I'll feel like shit too

[hard reef]

Sega Ages Space Harrier now has music too

[naive whale]

I just need to feel ok by Fri night. Tickets to Bruce Springsteen at Wrigley Field

[wooden dew]

I had something that held on for like 3 weeks after some travel just before the summer, not covid, just a cold that was really persistent. It's going around.

[blazing lance]

@naive whale hell yeah, that will rule

I've never seen The Boss live, but can't go wrong

[naive whale]

If I am too sick to go I will be pissed. Never seen him live either

[pearl harbor]

For the audio, do you mean when barrels explode and the weird laughter starts up?

[naive whale]

oh yeah you 100% will get sick

everyone I know is getting general colds

[pearl harbor]

Damn man, hope it gets better asap for you. 😦

[naive whale]

non covid illnesses we all avoided for a few years

[naive whale]

Ill make it. I always do lol

in core now. Setup easy, will teach it this vid again since its back on unstable

trying Drac X first...show saving if I can get there

[pearl harbor]

So we still need to have the bios named as boot.bin right? Changing it back to boot.rom will still not work I assume?

[naive whale]

yep...just confirmed

I had to delete shit to redo it for captures and that was part of it

[pearl harbor]

Worked for me in that game!

[naive whale]

Best example of saving IMO since its a LONG game that I never recommended people try without saving

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, it's an easy test, since it doesn't take long to get to the first save point.

[naive whale]

doing some work making me feel better. Havent done anything in like six days

SotN sounds perfect too. Music, SFX...no detectable issues at all

testing power cycle save persist now

bingo. Finally saving. So good

[wanton elk]

Tried command and conquer just now. Cutscenes have audio but not during gameplay.

[naive whale]

Darius Gaiden now

Looks good, sounds good, loaded into area two without a freeze

[wanton elk]

Croc had the audio dissappear when entering the second area. Sounds good when the sound is there tho

Hmmm... Some effects are repeating too

[mortal mist]

yes, still a lot of problems, but there is progress 🙂

[wanton elk]

Yeah, seems way better now. Fun to test things out 😊

[naive whale]

some small graphical texture corruption on background in zone 3 in Darius Gaiden

[undone oyster]

I don't get any audio in Nights into Dreams at all now

[naive whale]

seeing if Deep Fear has audio yet

[mortal mist]

same here 🙂

[pearl harbor]

Can confirm that Bug! doesn't work on my end either. Womp womp.

[naive whale]

Bug!gy performance obv

hey Deep Fear has audio!

[undone oyster]

After intro movie it hangs on a black screen here, is that the same for you?

[naive whale]

first core ever to give me in game audio for Deep Fear

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, exactly the same here.

Used to work on the previous version of the core.

[undone oyster]

Yeah I got it in game with 1 core as well

Die Hard Arcade sounds good now albeit a bit quiet, but turn up volume on my sound bar and all is good

[naive whale]

testing Densha De Go!...a popular request I get

[wanton elk]

How was Daytona USA on the previous build? Seem pretty much flawless now.

[naive whale]

Densha De Fail

Sky Target hands on loading screen for me

hangs*

HotD still with no music

or sfx

[undone oyster]

Audio CDs sounds amazing in the BIOS screen now

[subtle tusk]

The Saturn was my first CD player so I may have spent way too long using it to listen to music in my room and playing the music tracks of my games.

[undone oyster]

Hopefully you can still see my tutorial in psx chat archive for audio CD creation

You will need to do a hefty search for my name though

[mortal mist]

Step by step and we will get there

Saturn paradise 🙂

[undone oyster]

I had to make one for both soundscape and monster rancher 🙂

[undone oyster]

For sure, hopefully we can get a core that allows every 'working' game work for everyone next

OMG Guardian Heroes booted for me to the intro movie?!?!

Ohh black screen after I skipped it, the music sounded nice though

Now let's check if awbacon was right about HotD

OK so for me I get music and sfx on the menu, in game I get gun shots and reload sfx, no music in game and voices try to play but cut out pretty quickly

[hard reef]

I have music & sfx on HoTD in game….

[undone oyster]

Still a very different experience per person core then

[undone oyster]

Single or dual RAM?

Panzer Dragoon sound really nice now and looks amazing

[hard reef]

Dual. I’ve also got sound & music on Radiant Silvergun which has been troublesome for some too

[undone oyster]

Damn on Single I still hang at a black screen on loading Radiant Silvergun

[tall radish]

Yeah, as well as scratchiness during cutscenes and maybe some other moments.

[undone oyster]

But at least we have saves so maybe I will try and get somewhere in PD Saga

Hopefully it is not too FMV heavy as they don't play very well at all with this game

[pearl harbor]

Grandia is looking better than it used to compared to the last time I tested it. Still really messed up FMVs and character portraits. But a lot of the graphical corruption in the game world looks better now. No more messed up smoke coming from chimneys for example. And the trees look accurate now as well.

[tall radish]

Another one I would have tested. Thanks for the info!👍

[pearl harbor]

Gotta save it so I can test it without having to go through that long intro again in the future!

[undone oyster]

OK so PD Saga is very FMV heavy lol

[naive whale]

editing now then to VO

[ripe valley]

Baku Baku have sounds and music in-game now.

[ripe valley]

The game crashed at the end of the intro FMV for me, I will retest it later.
Thanks for your test.

[wanton elk]

Wipeout does not play any BGM during races.

[pearl harbor]

Magic Knight Rayearth seems all but perfect now. Audio is exellent. FMVs are excellent. No noticeable issues with the in-game visuals. Plus saving now being an option. Could possibley be completable now!

Still have my physical copy too, so I could test it for differences on my Saturn if I had a converter to allow composite video on my TV...

Dragon Force also seems excellent. Other than some occasional audio popping that is happening.

[tough star]

Fun…. got all these RAM messages now when trying to boot any games / I only tried Japanese games. Turns out the memory card needs to be initialized now

Will update the instructions

[cunning citrus]

Do you have Any Audio CD+G image to test?

[old pasture]

Saving is working great on the two games I tried it on.

Most games start with sound and run into issues down the line

https://youtu.be/2yDRUIfKzSA

[tough star]

Am I missing something?

[cunning citrus]

You need Mister latest unstable Main, or save the game.

[tough star]

Ah 🙂

Got it

Thanks

[tough star]

question: any consensus on what BIOS we should use?

@old pasture Castlevania isn't working for you?

[undone oyster]

whichever you like bro

[tough star]

works fine here - has worked for a few versions already

https://vampier.net/Saturn/

expanding this

I cannot write 'what ever you like bro'

[drifting frigate]

Oh shit @burnt matrix - look what's working on dual ram...

[undone oyster]

😮

[undone oyster]

1.01 or Region Free based on 1.01?

@old pasture dropped you a sub bro

[old pasture]

Btw, I'm going full Saturn today. Live testing in a livestream beginning in two hours.
https://www.youtube.com/live/CYZFaLtuF2Q?feature=share

[old pasture]

Thanks, appreciated

[tough star]

@old pasture seriously - get another Castlevania SotN image if yours doens't work

[old pasture]

I've got all four that are available.

[dusty otter]

I can't test at the moment but I'd be interested to know if Tempest is working. Someone said it was working on the last build but when I tried the grid was a solid filled polygon(?) so you could play but not see the enemy or know your position.

Made it somewhat challenging.

[old pasture]

I even tried all 4 today lil

Lol*

[tough star]

@old pasture weird

what bios are you using?

[drifting frigate]

Ah crap, it was a one time thing, it seems. :/

[old pasture]

I've pretty much tried all of them

But right now hacked region free

Hi Saturn 1.02

[old pasture]

Nice, I can get the title screen too

[old pasture]

Get there too

[tough star]

where does it lock up for you?

[old pasture]

Straight after char select

[undone oyster]

@tough star remember this core is very unstable, there are times I can get into game but then it will hang after character select, hang a couple of screens in, furthest I got is the loading screen to alchemy lab

[tough star]

consistently works here

not sure what to tell you

[old pasture]

Don't get there

Results are mixed

[tough star]

to put it mildly

since I can save now let me kill Mr Dracuul and see how far I get

I am supposed to put my office back together and yet here I am playing games

[naive whale]

you are cursed

[old pasture]

Haha

[tough star]

[old pasture]

After Dracula kill Duckula

[naive whale]

Upload done, vid tomorrow. Re-teaching the install / switch to Unstable Main as the core pivoted to that and it always tricks viewers

[tough star]

dead

hydrostorm!!

No! Never @kind bough

Is my friend

[dawn moth]

hey all! What's changed/fixed/broken in this one? Do I need an unstable mister? Did he fix the boot.bin thing? Did he fix the low volume thing in daytona?

[old pasture]

Still .bin

Unstable yes

[mortal mist]

Tested all , works fine

[tough star]

@mortal mist you got a webpage where I can copy and paste that from?

[mortal mist]

Github

[tough star]

URL dork

github is big

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_MiSTer#compatible-bios

[tough star]

thanks

I can just as well link to that webpage

it has all the info I would have added anyway

except the auto update scripts

[naive whale]

is your auto update script ready?

[analog totem]

doesn’t work on dual ram for me, but you’re playing over network right?

[dawn moth]

is there a script to get the unstable mister? my mister is in a case that makes the sd card inaccessible. I have to filezilla things to it or run scripts

[drifting frigate]

Yes, but it only worked once :/

Right after swapping the MiSTer binary and rebooting, it happened to work.

[analog totem]

@drifting frigate annnnd I just saw your comment that it only worked once

[drifting frigate]

I've tried to repro but no luck. Or ONLY luck.

Since playing Bug! is actually punishment for shoplifting in some countries.

[analog totem]

I actually kinda like Bug! Only thing is, I don’t think I’ve ever made it past like level 3

[drifting frigate]

At least Bug Too! still works. :S

[analog totem]

I’ll get to Bug! Too when I beat Bug! One someday

[tough star]

it's been ready for a few months already

https://vampier.net/Saturn/

near the top - 2 flavors

[naive whale]

I forget more than I remember @tough star

[tough star]

fired

[noble ferry]

Should I add any file for the save data? Updated the unstable and it still showing greyed out

[tough star]

start a game with a save function

it will be ungreyed out

[drifting frigate]

OK, I got it to work on Single RAM. It's all about when you hit the start button on the FMV I think. I let the paper twirl once, but it's not exact and I rebooted like 15 times to get ONE working load.

[naive whale]

Sounds like you’ve got Bugrectile disfunction

[noble ferry]

did all over again and after a few rests boom working.

[analog totem]

@drifting frigate interesting! you’re still reading your games over the network or is it sd or usb?

[noble ferry]

But, Xmen vs Street and Radiant Silvergun still not working on single ram

[drifting frigate]

CIFS network.

[analog totem]

ahh yeah ok…i’ll still test and see but I may not get to bug out today thanks to my lowly sd card

[naive whale]

Well that was a fun testing set. Great to have saving

[analog totem]

ok so….i just dropped cd_bios.rom (it usa bios 1.01) into the folder woth Bug! and it booted!

[umbral radish]

Are we limited to just the Saturn "internal memory" for saving? What about the save cartridge, is that working yet? (Just for those Dragon Force saves!

[analog totem]

gonna play for a sec and then check if that was a complete fluke

[pearl harbor]

What Bug! giveth, Bug! can taketh away.

[analog totem]

ok yeah it was just a fluke, but I did get Bug! to boot and play once

putting cd_bios.rom in the folder with the game does make the cd bios not found message go away

[ancient surge]

Bug! being really obnoxious is on-brand honestly

[drifting frigate]

Bug! of us! Bug! of us! Bug! of us!

Sound is so much better overall on this core.

[naive whale]

Yeah I didn’t hit any issues with what I tested

And sound in Deep Fear was new for my testing

[drifting frigate]

Yeah. Burning Rangers has about three lines of dialog before it cuts out now.

[pearl harbor]

Sadly, some games still have audio issues.

Games like Cotton 2 and Sega Rally just can't seem to kick their audio issues.

[burnt matrix]

YESSSSS, ok now I have a reason to get the latest build. Thanks!

[pearl harbor]

Don't read the rest of the messages Robby!

Your heart might break!

[naive whale]

Bug 3: The Thorax Wars works though

First person shooter Bug!

[sacred goblet]

I Always have the message "cd bios not found" when i start a game.

[stiff patrol]

its of no matter and is just a "feature" of the current core

[mortal mist]

unless you have the file cd_bios.rom in the folder with the game 🙂

[dawn moth]

I get pages of japanese text on radient silvergun now. Last version worked with horrible sound.

[sudden tusk]

Finally off work! Heading home to test

[dawn moth]

thanks! I'll try it.

[tough star]

updated to be clearer on what needs to be done

[sudden tusk]

Fuck testing I can finally save a game!

DRAGIN FORCE HERE I COME!

Lol @ dragin not gonna change it

[winter phoenix]

What did you update?

[full shore]

This update feels massive. Other than a few sound clicks, Radiant Silvergun runs really well. Most of the Capcom 2D run well too (forgot how good Vampire Saviour is on the Saturn) Sega Rally and VF2 seem to have a few minor glitches but very playable.

[pearl harbor]

I see you are a man of culture.

[sudden tusk]

Fighting vipers and fighters mega mix also very playable

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-severus-snape-snape-alan-rickman-indeed-gif-4496555

[tough star]

https://vampier.net/Saturn/

[winter phoenix]

Oh, neat page

[tough star]

did the same for PSX/MSX and now the Saturn

[cursive tree]

Any new 32X built?

[mortal mist]

Nope

[marble laurel]

no update of the SH cpu

[sudden tusk]

Who’s the wise guy!!

[burnt matrix]

Thanks dude. Always appreciate your helpful FAQs!

[tough star]

this version feels more complete for some reason

[naive whale]

Lol still works

[slate karma]

Still having Sega Rally white screen issues on my end, so looks like the core is still quite sensitive to SDRAM timing 😦 At this point I'm really only feeling joy knowing that Sergey is still (relatively) safe and well ❤️

[burnt matrix]

Street Racer (EU) now works!

[flat sedge]

This happens with stable mister and new singleram core 😂

[thorn pagoda]

have you got the memory card enabled in the OSD?

oh wait saturn has it internal right

[flat sedge]

Can’t is grey

[burnt matrix]

You gotta clear it in the bios first

Top middle option

Select clear

[tiny flare]

man I wish Virtual On worked, my twin stick is so ready

[burnt matrix]

ME TOO

[flat sedge]

I will try it, nice if it works with stable 😂

[burnt matrix]

Oh my gosh, I’m so excited my save game game for Powerslave is working

Cleared Ramses tomb, exited core, went back in, like magic!

[tough star]

My SotN is working

[burnt matrix]

Also reminder to turn Autosave to On in the core options

[thorn pagoda]

does it pause and do a progress bar when you open OSD like PSX core?

[burnt matrix]

Yah

Very quick though

[thorn pagoda]

nice

i wonder if sorg did anything new for the save support to speed it up

[burnt matrix]

Hmm ok

[naive whale]

@tough star I’m gonna link to your mem card faq for tomorrow

[burnt matrix]

Sega Rally working for me

[naive whale]

Because I doubt 99% of my audience will know how to format it and I wasn’t specific on it

[flat sedge]

Hmmm, there is a deep fear save state on the internal ram, how can I hold it ?

Seems saved worked with that game before already

[tough star]

Do as you please - it will be updated soon with a bigger FAQ

[naive whale]

Lol talking like a real Vampire

[burnt matrix]

Nooooo! It’s ok though Bug Too! works!

🐛🐛

[naive whale]

Do as you please…what is a save? Nothing but a miserable little pile of bits!

[tough star]

It’s by my hand the FAQ is becoming flesh

[flat sedge]

Where is the internal ram saved before in the previous core?

[tough star]

Nowhere

[flat sedge]

Old core save

It must be somewhere. Iirc I can see the save in different bios versions. But I check it again

[humble viper]

Just dropping in to say

Save support ftw let's goooooooooooooooo

[burnt matrix]

To get the progress bar to save, you need to hit save first, exit out of the menu and go back into the menu. Not sure if auto save is working.

[cursive turtle]

I should probably just switch to single ram because I still cant launch virtua fighter 2 or Nights. I used to be able to a few releases ago, oh well

[flat sedge]

Wont do a clear without a copy of this.

Daytona is wrong, 380 units free and not 39. Seems that there is something wrong, but perhaps stable is the cause.

[cursive turtle]

The sound works much better in Darius Gaiden and Saturn Bomberman at least

[naive whale]

Auto save worked for me earlier

[cursive turtle]

Auto save works for me too at least it does in Rockman 8

[tiny flare]

I don't know if that will help you, I'm on single ram and I can't launch either of those games. Seems very dependent on timings more than anything still

[flat sedge]

Strange, Sound is in Daytona much better with the stable release, but you have to use the right bios. Normaly i used the hi Bios 1.3 with all games. With EU Bios the Mem Error is also gone.

[burnt matrix]

Oh ok, then nevermind. That’s good to hear.

[sudden tusk]

Wipe memory in the Saturn bios menu

[flat sedge]

So the new core make also sense for stable users

[flat sedge]

Check first if i can save now internaly

[summer anvil]

I heard this core works now

[cursive turtle]

It works better than before, at least most of the games I'm able to launch. Nice to be able to finally hear the music in Metal Black

[sudden tusk]

ATTN FELLOW NERDS!

Don’t forget to turn off DSP sound in the debug menu .. it’ll help clean up some of the audio

[pearl harbor]

Aww, Street Fighter Alpha 3 is messed up now. There's no audio and the game runs like a slide show. The previous core it ran pretty much flawless.

[untold lintel]

The CPS2 core does run it flawlessly ; )

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, but the Saturn version is great.

World Tour mode, more characters, etc.

[lavish wadi]

Shinobi is still not working. No changes in Die Hard Arcade Sound

[flat sedge]

New Core saves now also Daytona USA internal. Cool.

[cursive turtle]

I cant even get Alpha 3 to go past the title screen or any of the capcom fighters for that matter. Is there a special way to setup the virtual RAM cart?

[flat sedge]

Seems make sense to play with the different Bios'es for the games.

[sudden tusk]

I’ll check alpha 3 after dinner

[flat sedge]

I set it up with one of the previous cores. Make Bios settings and was done.

[sudden tusk]

I’m making fish tacos!

[lavish wadi]

Weird.. just tested and it works fine in my end. Single an Dual

[cursive turtle]

Nice I'm just making some teriyaki salmon

[ripe valley]

I've checked Alpha 3 just now, working great on my system too - 5 matches without any problem (Dual RAM v2.9, HiSaturn 1.01 RF, fresh reboot).

[cursive turtle]

maybe I need new RAM they're both 2.5 though they pass the jotego tests

though might be better to wait its still very much an alpha afterall

[ripe valley]

Maybe wait a little bit.

[naive whale]

I don’t think it’s proven SUPER necessary yet

My 2.5 keeps up with my other builds no issues

Granted that’s just one bit of data

[naive whale]

Just like in reality PS1 won the console war AND the FPGA war

[cursive turtle]

Saturn won the war for my heart

[tough star]

Hey if you get a black screen with the Saturn core and no mister menu - what was that thing you needed to do?

Rename boot.rom to boot.bin?

[wise brook]

bios . bin

[modest basin]

And you still have to manually load it correct?

[astral crane]

try to load the bios first

[wise brook]

sure, unless the latest core changed it

[naive whale]

Yep

[tight zinc]

single and dual sdram seem to hang my MiSTer, regardless of how the bios is named

[prime hare]

same

tried renaming the bios/boot files, and even deleted the /config/Saturn.cfg

also tried replacing the mister main to the unstable build

[wise brook]

hope folks liked my little saturn rant btw, it's a perspective I don't see enough

[naive whale]

It might be best to try deleting / adding vs just renaming. That’s what I do. Superstitious perhaps but I swear I’ve seen renames somehow not persist in windows with file extensions

[tight zinc]

I've got 3 differently named files in there now lol

but if it was just the bios, I doubt it would hang the MiSTer like it is

[naive whale]

I still would remove all but the proper file and try again

To be sure

[prime hare]

Okay, @tough star figured it out. The boot roms need to be named bios.bin, bios1.bin, and bios2.bin

[tough star]

Well the bioses won’t be loaded on start anymore until you specify then I guess

[naive whale]

Yes you just load them via the menu. Mine is labeled boot.bin and it functions fine

On the hi-Saturn bios variant

[tough star]

Yes - I get that

Load once and it’s set

[pearl harbor]

What exactly is DSP sound? Will some audio be missing without it?

[sudden tusk]

In some games yeah , if you don’t hear anything just turn it non and off.. be free

[hallow fossil]

Any idea why the move from boot.rom to boot.bin?

[pearl harbor]

Seems to just be a bug that was introduced in the July update.

[tiny flare]

does anyone else have totally random results with what happens just when booting the core itself even before mouting a game disc? ie. sometimes you'll get a black screen, other times it will actually boot into the bios

[tough star]

Das boot dot bin

[drowsy skiff]

ima have to run through some games and see what kinda progress we got after this next saltybet tournament

[cursive tree]

X-men vs Street Fighter is working for anyone? Trying to use the 1M, 2M and 3M ram version of the game and the colors get all wrong at the character select screen

[pearl harbor]

Yeah weird, I just tested Street Fighter Alpha 3 again and it ran just fine this time. Just one of those odd anomalies I guess with the core.

[cursive tree]

Nights also get a “black sky” at the first stage

[naive whale]

Odd anomalies is the name of this core

[frail token]

Have you tried triple

[sudden pumice]

Same

Love hearing the bios startup sound now!!!

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/das-boot-thomsen-gif-18731736

I see many capcom regressions ..

Yet 3d fighters seem better overall ..

If final fight revenge isn’t working ima lose it YALL !

[slow osprey]

Is Doom audio working properly for anyone? I'm running the dual ram build and when the game boots it briefly plays audio at the Doom logo but then abruptly stops and doesn't return.

[amber lichen]

My doom would go to the green loading screen and stays there. I tried usa/eur/jpn redump version and all get stuck at the sand place. Anyone got doom working?

[drowsy skiff]

scrolling through here and seeing no one seems to know for sure what the bios need to be called lol

[naive whale]

Quest.sixty4 I believe. @burnt matrix that right?

[drowsy skiff]

i was rocking boot.bin but that was a no go with this new update, tryin again lol

guess i'll try japan instead of us too

[amber lichen]

You have to load the bios manually in osd as well

[tight zinc]

mine won't even get that far; it just completely hangs up

[naive whale]

That means (or used to mean) the old .rom bios is in the folder and is screwing things up. On the July core at least

[tight zinc]

I've got mine updated with the latest unstable from today

[polar geode]

I wonder when that will get fixed.. oh well. Saving is a nice new thing at least

I hear people are having good luck with Dracula X. Ill retry that I guess, the FMVs seem to make the core cranky

[tight zinc]

tried it with the old boot.rom, boot.bin, and now bios1-3.bin

[drowsy skiff]

k the single ram one is working for me now, trying a castlevania hack

[tiny flare]

Dracula X seems to be working well, although saving is a little odd - I saved at the first save point, made sure to open the OSD and all of that for autosave to kick in, then when I rebooted the core and loaded the game again for the first time the save wasn't there, until I reset, then it was...

[polar geode]

Odd. Well, the english translation patch now has Richter's dialogue in the opening stage working correctly

Maybe someone can combine the improvement and english patches sometime

[drowsy skiff]

"Dracula X Nocturne in the Moonlight - Extended (v1.5)" throws some japanese error at me at the title screen it seems

Mortal Kombat Trilogy Quality hack seems good to go

Godzilla almost works, audio hungup then crashed a quarter through the first stage

Dragonball Shinbutoden still gets hung up at character select

[pseudo nacelle]

Just tested Assault Suit Leynos 2: same as the last couple of iterations; it functions fine outside of some graphical corruptions that can be cleared by the pause menu, but the HUD still doesn’t display things like ammo and health correctly.

[polar geode]

DX Improvement 1.5 is loading fine for me. Maybe a BIOS issue?

[drowsy skiff]

lemme try different bios, what are they called if i'm dropping them into the game folder? same thing as in the faq still?

[polar geode]

I used named it bios.bin. Im using the hisaturn region hacked bios file

It has to be loaded manually

[drowsy skiff]

i read something about if a game needed it's own bios to just stick em in that game's folder with a certain name but i don't see it now

was just gonna give that game the jpn bios

[tough star]

https://vampier.net/Saturn/

FAQ updated

links added

[short shore]

hope we see a mister SNAX implementation for this update, given how much more functionality has been added to the core

[tough star]

https://vampier.net/Saturn/ see the memory card section there

it will fix all your issues

I knew this would become an issue right around now 🙂

[tiny flare]

really just holding out for more stability/consistent behaviour and a fix for the screen being offset with analogue output, otherwise this was an excellent update. Core is slowly but surely getting there

speaking of which, got a cool hang after fighting the cockatrice boss as Maria in Dracula X

fun while it lasted though

[wooden dew]

Policenauts seems to be working almost perfectly... I saw some weird text in the opening fmv but haven't had any issues since. Will let you know if I run into any.

[drowsy skiff]

fug my other bios were fine then lol, can't even get to that screen with the jpn bios for some reason

[tough star]

@drowsy skiff init your memcard 😄

always fun to go through this

we had the same with the PSX core when mem card were implemented

[wooden dew]

Wait, what if I already saved without initializing the memory card? I was able to reload after reboot.

[drowsy skiff]

uuuuugh of course duh

[tough star]

I guess some games aren't picky about the memcards

[drowsy skiff]

im ashamed i was looking through the mister settings like huh where are the memory card settings. i own a saturn i know better

[tough star]

my page also has an update script you can run in the mister menu itself

it also updates to the latest mister main (unstable)

just see the code of the script what to do - you can't miss it

[pearl harbor]

Vampier doing the Sega lord's work.

[tough star]

just trying to keep the support to a minimum and provide as many possible self serving answers

doing the same with the following 🙂

https://vampier.net/N64/
https://vampier.net/PSX/
https://vampier.net/Saturn/

Well PSX is mature now

[drowsy skiff]

welp black screened after I select richter. oh well

[polar geode]

Behavior is pretty random in this state

[tough star]

moment I want you to try something @drowsy skiff

[polar geode]

One boot it will be fine, another not

BTW GB I sent you a region free bios in DM

[tough star]

I don't even have a region free bios 😄

does that save me from selecting the right region?

[polar geode]

Yeah

Hold on

I should probably put it on my archive page

[wooden dew]

Does the script initialize the memory cards?

[pearl harbor]

You have to do that in the bios.

[polar geode]

5 years former saturn owner, I forgot all about the stupid memory formatting stuff too

[tough star]

no you need to do that yourself

see instructions on the webpage

[wooden dew]

Ok... I guess the question is, if I've already saved one game (successfully), do I still need to clear it

[tough star]

no

unless other games give you issues

[burnt matrix]

** 𝐈𝐦𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐈𝐧𝐟𝐨 **

The MiSTer core is the most accurate Saturn emulator in existence as it passes all currently known tests (DCC, SCU, SCSP, SMPC, VDP2 & SH2)!

The recommended bios is the region-free Hi-Saturn. DO NOT ask about it, DO NOT ask for it, and DO NOT ask where to get.

Redump is the only verified disc image set that works; DO NOT ask about it, DO NOT ask for it, and DO NOT ask where to get it.

List of games with visual bugs that occur on real hardware - [LINK]

List of games that need the correct ram cart size set in the core settings - [LINK]

List of games that may have potential issues with CHD compression - [LINK]

If a 3D fighting game runs slow for you on single sdram, then toggle the Timing: Fast option, under Hardware, in the core’s menu. Dual sdram builds do not have or need this option.

Multi-disc games must specifically include “(Disc 1)” or “(Disc 2)” as part of their file and be placed in the same folder to work; i.e. Game (Disc 1).chd.

You’ll need to disable the second controller port for some games, like “In the Hunt”, “Shinobi Legends/X” and “Night Striker S”; this is an issue with real hardware and not a bug with the core!

Check out these fan shmups made in Dezamon 2 - [LINK]

Here is the latest PWM build if you use a CRT and have an older analog IO board - [LINK]

(thanks to @latent wigeon for PWM builds and @umbral radish for the Dezamon 2 saves!)

[wooden dew]

I was able to save Daytona... but weirdly, I seem to be getting some sort of per game saving behavior

[tough star]

I had to use google translate to figure out what to do lol

[wooden dew]

Is it a per game save. Or a system wide save?

[tough star]

I don't know really - for the PSX it's per game

I didn't play around with it a lot yet

[wooden dew]

Kk, no prob

[pearl harbor]

Pretty sure it's a per game thing. I checked the save for one of the games I saved in the bios, and it was there, but none of the other games I saved had their save files in there. Then I switched games and the one that was there was gone in the bios, even though the save still worked when reloading that game.

[wooden dew]

Looks like a separate save for each game

[tough star]

oh per disc then

I will assume that the mem cards will be auto created soon

if games are picky about finding them (formatted)

we had the same like this on the PSX and that got gracefully fixed

[burnt matrix]

“gracefully”, you already forgot about poor Dave? The guy we had to sacrifice to the MiSTer gods so we could get saves working on the PSX core?

[kind stump]

I've added the new Beta to the YC repo, but please follow @tough star's https://vampier.net/Saturn/ instructions

[tiny flare]

it's not really mem cards, saturn didn't really have them, just battery backed save ram in the console itself - some games could use a save back up device in the cartridge slot directly, but that was really just for backing up and restoring your saves to and from the system save ram

most games couldn't directly use the save carts

[burnt matrix]

Sega was just ahead of the curve

By about 10 years

[tiny flare]

it wasn't until Microsoft put a HDD in every Xbox that someone really surpassed that

[polar geode]

The internal save ram in my saturn failed, I had to use a cartridge

(yes, I changed the 2032)

[tough star]

I never had a saturn/DC/GC/PS2 - it was all around the time I moved to the US and lived in absolute poverty for 5 years

[tiny flare]

I should check if mine still works, I never replaced the battery - my approach to saving has been to just...not. I inherited my Saturn from my brother in law, all the games he had were pretty much just arcade stuff and I never bothered to get any more (because lol unmodded PAL system)

There’s my collection in it’s entirety

[polar geode]

I had uhm..

Xmen vs SF, Vampire Savior, Dracula X NITM, Rockman 8

[tiny flare]

yeah I can see how trying to get through SotN in one sitting might not be the best, haha

[polar geode]

I owned more Neo Geo Pocket Color carts than Saturn games. Weird..

[vague nymph]

I guess that means 3DO was ahead of the curye by about 11 years. 😉

[tiny flare]

did it use save ram as well? Or something even more futuristic?

[vague nymph]

Yep. 32K of SRAM. Same as the Saturn. You also didn't need to buy multitaps because the controllers could daisy chain. 6 player FIFA is awesome

[tiny flare]

Wow, that is pretty futuristic. Sounds like the only thing it was missing was games I actually want to play

(I’m sorry, I actually do think the 3DO is pretty neat 😄)

[analog totem]

I still have to get past that dagung water level…frustrated me so much I’ve quit playing two separate times so far

[ocean phoenix]

Nice to be able to play Saturn Bomberman with clean audio, more or less, instead of the scratchy mess before. Love it.

[strange acorn]

running the latest dual sdram saturn core hangs my mister no matter what

regardless of bios, it just instantly hangs on a black screen upon opening the core

[flat sedge]

Load first a bios manually

[stiff patrol]

Do not have a boot.rom present and load the biod manually after

[strange acorn]

gotcha. I'll try that. thank you.

[magic fable]

We can run the new core on the stable now? 🤔

[white yoke]

I Currently tried Saturn_DS_20230809.rbf on My Mister it gives me a Black Screen and won't let me use OSD Screen Menu at all. SoPlease tell me Pixel Cherry Ninja how did you get it to work at all.

[stiff patrol]

Do not have a boot.rom present and load the bios manually after

https://vampier.net/Saturn/

check the FAQ on that site

[flat sedge]

Works for me on stable as single ram. Internal ram savings works also better.

Have not tested dual ram version, cause I have no second ram module

[full shore]

Runs well on single 2.9 ram for me.

[white yoke]

latest saturn rbf file loads up black screen no matter the bios

am i doing something wrong here ??

and to tim I can't get into OSD menu for saturn at all so no can't switch bioses or anything it just hangs on black screen

[mortal mist]

https://vampier.net/Saturn/

Q:I get a black screen when starting the core
A: Make sure to rename boot.rom to boot.bin and load the BIOS in the menu. Make sure your boot1.rom and boot2.rom are renamed as well

@acoustic sable can you pin the FAQ from Vampier ?

[acoustic sable]

I've been meaning to, was waiting for someone to post it with some explanatory text 😄

[mortal mist]

probably many more people will ask about the black screen on startup 😛

[acoustic sable]

Vampier's useful resource for the Saturn core with updater scripts, BIOS details, FAQs and more https://vampier.net/Saturn/

[mortal mist]

thanks!

[tough star]

Thanks 🙂 back to sleep I go

[white yoke]

ok thanks kuba i'll give that a try

[white yoke]

it work but I guess usa title don'

don't run now weird

i'll try another bios file later

talk to later bye

[fresh star]

Hello, I’m trying to start sega ages outrun and using unstable mister main and bios 1.01 jap. After that it’s black screen view . What’s wrong? Thanks for all.

[mortal mist]

some games work well , some don't

it;s pre alpha or alpha or gamma zeta core

you can try using a different bios, reboot core, etc.

if it doesn't work then you just have to wait for better times 😉

[fresh star]

ty for the answer but some friends playing this games like resident evil and for me freeze at splash screen

[mortal mist]

unfortunately but everyone here gets different results when testing

if you would trace here yesterday's test entries you will notice that everyone has different results

it may even depend on the ram you have

version, speed

Maybe from the storage media you use etc, core is not 100% stable

[flat sedge]

Thats the big problem at this state. You can’t really compare

[mortal mist]

I test on dualsdram and single and sometimes the game works better on single, which in theory should not happen

[tiny flare]

Yep, loads of games that people are saying work great straight up don’t get past the Sega splash for me either, can’t read too much into anything just yet

[mortal mist]

something may or may not work, it's just testing and that's how I approach it

[flat sedge]

I have only a few games installed to see progress better.

My worst installed game is lemmings 3d, 😂

Need to get a 220v power supply for my Japan Saturn for better comparison. I have it got 4 weeks ago.

[tough star]

This reminds me of the PSX core early days when games started working

[tiny flare]

I don't know if PSX was ever quite this finicky, or maybe I've just forgotten

[tough star]

Yes it was

[mortal mist]

haha how proud I was when I finished Resident Evil 2 with lots of saved game states

and without sound

😄

[tough star]

Well maybe a bit more consisten

Sotn for me

[tiny flare]

yeah I'm not sure there was ever quite the disparity in results across different users, is what I meant

[tough star]

Different dumps

Redump should be used

[mortal mist]

Who remembers the exploding polygons in Tekken2 ?

[tough star]

Blah blah

Tekken 3 running slow as heck

Weave or bob lol

[mortal mist]

it was fun

[tough star]

Lets see what n64 brings us

And this core

I wish the whole Ukrainian thing would be settled by now - but it seems to be escalting

[tiny flare]

I guess yeah that's really the main difference, due to this garbage situation it's taking quite a while - and it's hard to be too upset that a MiSTer core development has become protracted, it's probably one of the least consequential things to have happend because of that

[tough star]

Oh that was not a comment on the speed of development

I am not that daft

[tiny flare]

Sorry, I wasn’t trying to imply that it was 😄

[ripe valley]

Let's enjoy what we already have and srg320 already gave us.

[ancient surge]

The core is in a stable enough position that now I'm playing games just for the fun of it.

I was trying out Willy Wombat earlier on the core. Runs pretty good. Game is kind of weird though, because it has English voice acting despite being a Japan-only release.

[drowsy hull]

Fun? Freddo's whip must be broken

[naive whale]

https://youtu.be/_gJ58RpQln0

Heyo

[modest basin]

I found that playing Resident Evil (as Chris) and Biohazard (as Jill) both did an odd freeze just before I could get the first ink ribbon and save. I haven’t checked each version as the opposite player, but I assume the same. So close.

[mortal mist]

RE crashes in different places, sometimes funny errors too 🙂

[naive whale]

makes the DE10 Nano a Jill Sandwich

[naive whale]

that meat seems suspect

[mortal mist]

this is better 🙂

no gifs

[naive whale]

Maybe its my sense of humor but I always got the impression Barry was slinging some double entendre's with his comment

[hard reef]

If this is the JPN OutRun it would be worth checking is whether you are running the Rev A of OutRun as that is known to work - the other one has issues on some Saturns.
Redump lists it as "Sega Ages - OutRun (Japan) (Rev A)"

[fresh star]

I used that iso but nothing

[ocean phoenix]

In Castlevania using bios 1.0.1 Japan, in the sound test music playback I'm only getting the left channel. Anyone else?

[sharp dove]

New core update?

Hope Parodius DA! on Deluxe Pack shows picture output

Save support tho is HUGEEE

[winter phoenix]

Now you can all save your unlocked navigators in Bulk Slash! 😉

[burnt matrix]

Oh wow it had internal saving? 🤯

[naive whale]

Of course it did. 3DO had everything

[ocean phoenix]

Superb Parodius, yes. Parodius DA - flickering the first frame of each screen briefly then nothing. That's on bios 1.0.1. So - I guess not yet.

[naive whale]

Internal saves, external memory units…the works

[sharp dove]

Still?

[earnest jetty]

Still doesn't seem to like my setup (I'm using an older SDRAM module that possibly doesn't play nice). Seems like it doesn't respond well to anything that requires CD streaming (FMV and audio); it responds the same way with images loaded both off SD card and network share, so I'm pretty sure it's not that

[ocean phoenix]

Sorry to say.

[sharp dove]

Oh well, might have to then wait until this core enters full beta at this point, there's prolly something that very complicated to keep this one still not showing anything

[earnest jetty]

Seems to play Quake super consistently though, so it doesn't seem to be every type of CD audio that's giving it grief

[sharp dove]

Might prolly move on to Sakura Wars at this point, hope that works fine enough~

[naive whale]

Saturn is popular today. 1K views in two hours. Saves really bring the people in

[sudden tusk]

As I have foretold!

[short tide]

Outrun looks real nice at 60fps!

[hard reef]

Parodius (Europe) is playable for me. Haven’t tried the JPN deluxe pack

[dusty otter]

Huzzah! Tested Tempest and it run's near flawlessly.

[naive whale]

Last I tested on deluxe one game ran and one froze. Which one? Don’t remember

[hard reef]

Both “Fantastic Journey” and “Parodius” work on the Europe release for me

[naive whale]

Nice. I tried the Japanese version. I do remember that

[sudden tusk]

Better than the arcade core

Dragon force sounds perfect! @naive whale I formally request that you showcase DF 1 and 2 on the next Saturn bid..

Por favor

[naive whale]

We shall see. It’ll be two weeks since this week wasn’t planned to be a Saturn vid week

[sudden tusk]

Ahh no worries just a suggestion for when the time comes

I’m hours deep and being able to save is just tops .. so tops

[naive whale]

I’ve got so many other MiSTer vids I keep pushing; “what is an FPGA and what does it matter”, “2023 analog video guide”, “why you need to buy a MiSTer in 2023”, etc etc

[inner kayak]

Looks like latest round of fixes really helps?

[sudden tusk]

Omg working designs and their bonkers translations

[inner kayak]

seems like people are having success more consistently

[balmy kelp]

could you share a link to the analog video guide?

[sudden tusk]

Definitely

[naive whale]

The 2023 isn’t out but

[pearl harbor]

Classic

[naive whale]

MiSTer FPGA DE 10 NANO! S Video / Composite Analog Adapter Tutorial! Old School Analog Video in FPGA
https://youtu.be/NfP1glaecWA

MiSTer FPGA DE10 NANO! Analog How To! RGB, Component and VGA Made Easy! MiSTer Tutorials! 2022 Vers
https://youtu.be/8sSDPEHXDVQ

[sudden tusk]

Love mine! It has worked with everything I have thrown at it

[sudden tusk]

They should tested the dude in charge of this text

[pearl harbor]

No lies detected.

When I was playing through Popful Mail earlier this year, there were a ton of Working Designs moments. 😬

[ripe valley]

Some regressions found yesterday : some missing SFX on games like Rayman on my side, during gameplay where multiple SFX must be played at the same moment.
Or games like the Wipeout series and we have multiple times the same SFX read instead of only one instance needed.
Must be a specific missing value or a missing filter be added on the SCSP code.

[sudden tusk]

Yeah that’s definitely another WD classic

The original cringe artist

Anyways .. everyone should play some gratin force!! And also dragon force

[pearl harbor]

Dragon Force is legit my favorite Saturn game. Absolutely love that game. Still have my original copy, but haven't played through the game in nearly 10 years!

Hmm...I said "game" three times in that post. Doesn't read well. Not cool me. Not cool.

[balmy kelp]

I didn't realize you were Video Game Esoterica. Any plans to cover scart or 120hz to vga in the 2023 edition?

[naive whale]

SCART no

I don’t have any TVs with native SCART in just since I am in North America

120hz VGA maybe in a separate vid

[frozen shard]

There's a B&O MX5000 you could road-trip over to buy, @naive whale

[naive whale]

2023 will be rgb/vga/component/S vid/composite. The big hitters

[frozen shard]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/354943390242

[naive whale]

Bensonville. Not too far

But if I get another tv my wife might murder me

I’ve got three already

[balmy kelp]

Are you familiar with Sunthar's mux boards? https://sector.sunthar.com/guides/crt-rgb-mod/

[pearl harbor]

Worth it.

[naive whale]

I am. I want to do a build vid one day but no time soon

[balmy kelp]

I'm in NA as well, so I've been rgb modding my crts using his boards.

[naive whale]

I just keep a bunch of PVMs around

[pearl harbor]

Tested Shining Force III (first scenario), and it is looking good now. It used to be so busted, so it's awesome seeing that progress.

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, I tested it again later, and it ran fine that time. Just another example of how organic the core is still.

[mental kernel]

Is there an updated Masterlist of working Saturn games with the latest build?

[mortal mist]

Nope

People have different results when testing, it's hard to know what works and what doesn't

until the core is more mature it makes no sense

[drifting frigate]

There are a few that are 'frequently NOT working' that are pretty solid. But even those have some successes out there. Thuderforce V, Virtual On, Shinobi X/Legions/Den, Guardian Heroes (that's one some people are able to play, I think). Those are generally not playing for anyone though.

[earnest ginkgo]

Three is an odd number, tell her getting a 4th restores the balance.

[naive whale]

We need a new house

Starting to feel small in here

[drifting frigate]

We moved from 620sq ft to 1900 sq ft plus a 700 sq ft loft studio space and it was life changing.

[naive whale]

We’ve got about 1000 sq ft and it’s getting a bit small for sure.

[drifting frigate]

We also put in a ~200 sq ft office shed (fully finished, so it's just an accessory building) clearing up more room. It's so amazing coming from such a cramped space.

[kind stump]

1000sqft in Canada is probably about 500k right now

[mental kernel]

Gotcha. Does that mean when Sergey punts it to Beta status or whatever?

[naive whale]

Bout the same in Chicago sadly

All single family homes are a million plus

[drifting frigate]

Same in Seattle as well. We had to move to the peninsula.

[naive whale]

Nowhere to move here. I’m not going to the suburbs

[old pasture]

London is crazy expensive 🫰 in the housing department too

[drifting frigate]

I can't even imagine. America doesn't understand 'old' cities. We don't have any clue about how tightly packed things are and most of us don't even really understand how big BIG cities are when they don't get to sprawl out. NYC is jawdropping if you've only ever seen LA. And in those winding old bones, space is rare and expensive.

[mortal mist]

certainly when people start to have the same results from the tests, it's hard to say when that will happen.

[mental kernel]

fair enough

I guess I'll try and find the old list of the 'problem' titles and test those on the side when the next build drops. Was mostly just curious about how far along things are but it seems like stuff is still in dev

[mortal mist]

As you probably know srg320 is not in a very good situation in Ukraine

[mental kernel]

ja

[tough star]

Ja

[cunning citrus]

JA

[mortal mist]

Gut 🙂

[tough star]

Gans geil ist das

[mortal mist]

ja ja ja was ist los , was ist das

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSy2DcATYUo

😄

[cunning citrus]

Google Übersetzer ist mein Freund.

[stiff patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-bgiiTxhzM

[mortal mist]

ja, das ist auch cool haha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o076MlHKXL8

I always wondered why they used the German language 😄

[drifting frigate]

"Oy! Was ist das denn?"

[drifting frigate]

German and Japanese collabs are, historically, pretty impactful.

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/jah-shower-blessings-upon-me-mikayla-simpson-koffee-toast-shower-me-with-blessings-gif-18143406

Dark savior has excellent sound now

[sharp dove]

Yeah, that still works (tho IDK if it's 50hrz)

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/balt-flower-japan-peace-gif-14011098

[mortal mist]

make love , not war ☮️

[tough star]

I don’t need no google translate for German 😉

[sudden tusk]

Alien trilogy also has excellent sound now

By Probe Entertainment.. what an unfortunate name for a game studio

[naive whale]

Perfect for a game about aliens

[sudden tusk]

Word. I was gonna make that joke but it’s too easy

[pearl harbor]

Gotta take that low hanging fruit!

Reminds me of Neversoft Entertainment.

[sudden tusk]

Not sure why everyone is upset about but not working when Bug too! Works great with sound and all@

[drifting frigate]

I thought we were upset because it DOES work sometimes....

[sudden tusk]

Anyone test burning rangers yet?

Intro fmv has sound now

Full on voices in Burnin rangers .. finally playable

Wow the textures in BR just look like they are struggling so hard go stay together

Just like OG hardware

[ripe valley]

The game crashed later into the game when I tested yesterday and the voices cut around the end of the tutorial.

[mortal mist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Lqfx0BFHWY

[naive whale]

I’ve made that joke in videos “it’s hard to tell where the core stops working and where burning rangers stops working. This game is basically held together with duct tape and dreams”

[winter phoenix]

it definitely feels like it could rattle apart at the seams at any moment

[sudden tusk]

Scotch tape and dreams

Made it to the first mission currently evacuating survivors to the burning ship

That’s a really unfortunate name for an HQ

NBA jam has perfect sound now

Magic knight rayearth super playable now with clean ass sound

[lavish saddle]

Does anyone know if / how Hyperduel is working on the latest core?

[drifting frigate]

Seems to be working great.

I got past the first boss and played a bit further, music was solid, no lockups.

[lavish saddle]

Awesome, thanks. Ill have a dabble with the core, nice one!

[west bough]

Does Panzer Dragoon work for anyone? I only have the Japanese release. It doesn't load for me past the title screen. Same with the latest core update.

[sudden tusk]

Panzer dragoon 1 ,2 and saga work perfect for me

[weary palm]

i wish this core had composit output

[sudden tusk]

Composite ? You mean component ?

Im playing on a crt through composite

[wet hull]

Can someone verify Gekirindan and see if the pillar is rotating in the first stage?

[oak willow]

Albert Odyssey is playing flawless so far.

[drifting frigate]

It does not appear to be rotating.

[wet hull]

Thanks for confirming 🙂

[drifting frigate]

NP. Also it looks like some of the background layers aren't animated and just hard stop as layer elements at the beginning and the ending of the stage.