Sega Saturn

[rancid adder]

Come only as far as the Saturn boot logo right now. No game booting

[tidal raptor]

reminds me that back in the day I had played MK3 on snes and PS1, and it was so wild to see the ps1 just hard stop for a while to load on shang tsung transformations lol the snes version was very compromised but at least it didn't have that glaring issue

[ancient surge]

Yes the latest stable build now supports it. Just click on the update_all script and it should automatically download.

You might need to do it more than once, since update_all is fickle when it comes to downloading the MiSTer main files.

[tawny forge]

It's probably the same as other 8bitdo USB BT receivers

[vernal fiber]

Can anyone help me out. I got a couple game files loaded that others have working. Added the bios. Names it boot.rom. And I get to this screen. Says checking disc. Shows tracks. But doesn’t play.

[verbal pollen]

make sure the region is set to the same as the game

japan/usa/eur etc

in the osd

then reset the core

[ancient surge]

One weird thing I noticed with the regional thing is that some games still boot, despite not being the right region.

Like for some reason my NA version of The Legend of Oasis can boot when it's set to Japan.

I don't know if it's a bug or some games lack region locking.

[vernal fiber]

@verbal pollen I tried all of them. Same thing. Treats it like a audio cd or something.

@alpine slate I’m having what sounds like the same issue you had where it goes to the checking disc screen. Then loads it as tracks and never starts the game. Did you figure yours out ?

[winter phoenix]

Imagine playing Final Fight Revenge when you could be playing Bug

[polar geode]

Imagine playing Bug.. when you could be playing Super Tempo

[subtle tusk]

Imagine playing Super Tempo when you could be playing Tempo.

[polar geode]

Now thats just crazy talk

Only Game Gear Tempo can take the crown

[winter phoenix]

[fallen field]

@verbal pollen I believe that it supports it, you just need to run them against this script to place them in individual folders: https://gist.github.com/bootsector/6f60d2227243e57628a7f3f76b523404

as soon as I test it, I'll let you guys know if it works

[pearl harbor]

Bug has such a well defined...posterior.

[drifting crown]

Got the latest mister main or nightly?

[rancid adder]

Thanks. Updated all script like 3 times. Will do again. Thanks

[rancid adder]

Not working for this core. Even tried the unstable download script dir Saturn core

[naive whale]

I never knew Bug was packing trunk heat

[sudden tusk]

And the award for stupidest name of a video game character goes to….

[sudden tusk]

And the award for most disturbing image on the net goes to …

[burnt matrix]

lol I can delete

[sudden tusk]

Im over it bro … just another mental scar among the many others lol just being dramatic

[sonic spindle]

can someone please send me link to latest Saturn build for mister and unstable mister also, thanks

[mortal mist]

#unstable-nightlies message

#unstable-nightlies message

you'll always find everything here https://discord.com/channels/647909397477195803/807613978154762252

or github

[sonic spindle]

thanks, for Mister, I replace my Mister file on SD card with renamed unsable file right ?

[mortal mist]

yes, but latest stable main already includes fixes for Saturn

[sonic spindle]

i see so i dnt need unstable Mister to run latest Saturn build ?

[mortal mist]

nope

On the github site you will also find the last core that came out, you just need to log in https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_MiSTer/actions/workflows/test-build_ds.yml

single and dual

[celest ingot]

Nah. Just scroll up and read some of the previous posts

[dawn moth]

daytona still not work? I's just about the only game I play on my saturn

[burnt matrix]

It’s always worked for me

I have dual ram tho so maybe that’s it?

[dawn moth]

Single ram, daytona worked kinda several versions ago, but now it doesn't. Championship edition locks up at the "Daytona USA is a trademark of the International Speedway Corporation..." screen

[sudden tusk]

Not for me ,

Championship edition works just fine

[subtle tusk]

Daytona used to load for me but then freeze when I tried to start a game, now it doesn't load at all. Dual RAM.

In fact, a lot of stuff that used to work for me doesn't anymore. I probably need to try a different BIOS

[dawn moth]

Championship edition does NOT work fine, for me at least. What rom you using, what bios?

[ancient surge]

Championship Edition boots for me, but it's really unstable.

[ivory kindle]

did you make sure main mister is updated?

[drifting frigate]

It's working OK-ish for me. Tons of audio and polygon bugs, but I was able to shame myself with a terrible outing all the way through all laps. I'm on CIFS shares for my images. Dual RAM.

CE locks at the Daytona trademark screen though.

And I dunno if it matters, but that was Saturn Mode.

[ivory kindle]

CE works fine here, passes the rainbow screen no problem

the rainbow trademark screen

ya, some sound issues for sure but CE is good

[subtle tusk]

Yeah I have everything updated to the latest. a lot of stuff that I used to be able to button past the FMV intros now just lock up no matter what.

[ivory kindle]

do you have a ram cartridge set?

mine is None, region USA

[drifting frigate]

Oh, yeah 4MB.

Totally forgot to mention that.

[ivory kindle]

try none

see if they boot

also make sure pads are set to digital and not analog

[drifting frigate]

Oh, I'm on the same side as you. Mine is working. CE works off and on (sometimes it hangs at the Daytona trademark screen, sometimes it doesn't).

@subtle tusk what does your RAM test at? I've got pretty solid 150MHz.

[polar geode]

How does one test their RAM?

[drifting frigate]

In Utility from the main mister menu there's a RAM test.

[subtle tusk]

Hmmm I haven't tested mine in a while. I have a good 128MB stick and a not great 32MB that I got from a kit off Amazon. That might be part of my problem.

But that wouldn't necessarily explain why my experience has gotten worse over time, unless newer cores are more sensitive to timing than older ones.

[polar geode]

This has a rather bare bones looking display..

I think mine is 144

[drifting frigate]

Timing updates were the lion's share of the newest changes. A few games that used to work for me stopped as well.

[drifting frigate]

Atarilike indeed.

[polar geode]

My RAM is old, so maybe thats why its testing low

[drifting frigate]

And again, I'm using CIFS which tests closer to 50mbps transfer speed versus the USB 2 20ish of SD/USB.

[subtle tusk]

My RAM only tests at 143 so it's not that great after all.

[polar geode]

Mine dropped to that too

[drifting frigate]

That should still be sufficient I think. But I'm not 100% sure.

[ivory kindle]

ya mine only counts up at about 144

[naive whale]

Works fine on single. I do all my testing that way

[burnt matrix]

I just completed a race in Desert City on the CCE Netlink edition.

[polar geode]

Dual RAM club is flexing again

[dawn moth]

i update-all every time I turn on the Mister.

[ivory kindle]

I’ll one up you. I only use mister to play update all

[dawn moth]

cce netlink edition usa version does not work either. Just downloaded from archive.

[burnt matrix]

This man is what we should all aspire to.

[polar geode]

I enjoy buying controllers and fans for my mister and installing them, then just complaining about the Japanese PC cores

[dawn moth]

Other games seem to work now that didn't before. What's something new that works now that I can test?

[polar geode]

Super Tempo is no longer loading for me, seems like compatibility is still a WIP on this beta core (naturally)

[polar geode]

That gif is from the 32X version tho

I wasnt aware there was a schedule lol

👀

[sharp dove]

Does anyone still get non-working graphic output (black screen) when trying to boot Parodius DA! On Gokujyo Parodius DA Deluxe Pack?

I can still hear sounds but basically it doesn't show me anything aside from the demo intro screen

[ripe valley]

Same for Parodius DA!

[somber storm]

are there any compatibility wikis for the Saturn core, or is it close to fully compatible already?

[tawny forge]

It’s still alpha

[sudden tusk]

SATURN HYPE DYING DOWN!

https://tenor.com/view/dead-chat-gif-22605399

[viral pebble]

Lol funniest time to post this since the 32X core just got updates less than 5 mins ago 😂

[sudden tusk]

Finally we get to play web of fire in its entirety ..

Nah but I’m honestly looking forward to being able to save so I can beat every nba team on jam and finish blackthorne

[ancient surge]

I can't wait until the SEGA Saturn core becomes stable enough to become an "official" core.

[untold lintel]

You really like the 32x version of NBA jam that much more than PS1?

[sudden tusk]

Hmmm kind of a novelty for me .. tbh I usually play vanilla jam on sega cd

[untold lintel]

PS1 port is real good, and there’s roster hacks for current years available. That’s what I usually play on

A lot closer to arcade than the Sega Genesis based ones

[sudden tusk]

For sure love nba jam 2k22

There’s also a hack for nhl 94 that adds current rosters that is also amazing .. just wish it was the sega cd version and not the genesis base game

[untold lintel]

I got a 64 blitz 2023 romhack yesterday to try out

[naive whale]

Oh it did?

[viral pebble]

Yes sir: #news message

[naive whale]

Fun stuff. So just in update all then eh?

[viral pebble]

Should be in update all if it's in the news feed 🙂

[naive whale]

Don’t think I’ll cut in a special ep for 32x but maybe a revisit in two weeks

[viral pebble]

Are there any remaining 32X issues?

I suppose cheat support isn't there but that's a missing feature, not an issue

[naive whale]

A thin library of good games. That’s still an issue

[ancient surge]

Who needs a library of games when you have Golf Magazine Presents 36 Great Holes Starring Fred Couples™️ right there.

[naive whale]

I’m more of a Lee Carvalo’s Putting Challenge fan myself

Yeah I’m just playing

I’ve got a 32X in the other room after all

[blazing lance]

Do tell...

[ancient surge]

I think the real issue with the 32X library is just the redundancies. There are only a handful of actual exclusives.

[burnt matrix]

Damn is that your collection?

[viral pebble]

I like how that collection is also in a mushroom shaped formation 🍄 fitting lol

[sudden tusk]

Spider-Man web of fire did not work the previous release … and being able to save opens up some games to be enjoyable…

Depending of your definition of “enjoyable “

I don’t even know what to say ..

For once I’m at a loss for words ..

[unkempt oar]

I'd say half that 32x library is bad. I said it.

[viral pebble]

That's the case with most platforms. Generally speaking half of games aren't worth playing. More than half for most libraries

The more successful a console is, generally the more shovelware it gets

[drifting frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/bilbo-baggins-speech-lord-of-the-rings-hobbit-i-dont-really-know-you-gif-13019896

[stoic umbra]

Seems like satern core won't load the cue bin games i have.
The older beta's have a better time loading.
It just plays them as a music soundtrack.
SOmething missing?
Maybe more to add to the saturn folder?

[ancient surge]

@stoic umbra did you make sure the region is manually set correctly?

[errant prawn]

Man... can't wait until D and Enemy Zero work...

Kenjo eno was dope af.... so off the wall..and the worst voice acting

I love the D

Series.... D Series

[drifting frigate]

Look, you said what you said...

I'm testing out D right now. The floor is very high, so 'black' is like 5 stops below neutral gray. So it looks washed out.

But it's working great.

You can see Enemy Zero doesn't have the same issue with the raised floor. It looks much better in the border.

But no sound so far.

Oh, I see what you mean. Disc swapping.

@errant prawn Do you know if D has that washed out border on real hardware? It's the only game I've run into with it. And I've tested...way too many games. I'm guessing it's probably the same on original HW.

[errant prawn]

I have it for original hardware... and I have a saturn.. but not 109 percent sure what you mean by washed out border

[drifting frigate]

See how the border around the FMV area isn't black, as it is in the next Warp game?

It's a gray.

Probably didn't matter too much on old CRTs though, so it's likely just in the game.

[errant prawn]

Ohhhh that grayness around the border

Let me get done with some video editing and I'll toss it on before bed

Is this near beginning?

Or the whole game?

And we're talking D right?

[drifting frigate]

The whole game so far.

Yeah, D.

Enemy seems fine.

[errant prawn]

Kk... I'll get back to you in like 40

[drifting frigate]

Sweet! Going the extra mile! I've never played it before but it seems like a much more advanced 7th Guest style experience. And I did very much like 7th Guest.

[errant prawn]

It's pretty easy...especially if you watch the intro video..a lot of the clues of how to solve the puzzles are in there

But...it's just.. kenji eno.... I wish he was still around, he made games that were bad in all the right ways

I called him the Tommy waisu of video games...

But from what I read, D was actually ground breaking for the time...but if I was 12 playing that...I'd be pissed, plus you HAVE to beat it in 2 hours

[drifting frigate]

I mean, it was impressive to me for sure. The smoothness of it all.

[errant prawn]

I had kenji eno-vember at my house for video game night
1 week D
1 week Enemy 0
2 weeks D2

I'm a fan

[drifting frigate]

D2 was on DC right?

I may have to give that one a go.

I dusted it off to play the Rent a Hero translation so I might as well load up a few more interesting titles.

[errant prawn]

Most def....it's like being on drugs, while being completely sober

[errant prawn]

As for the grainer boarders.... my LG oled shows a small negligible amount on enemy zero

On D..... it's bad

So that's accurate

[drifting frigate]

Cool, thanks for checking!

[errant prawn]

No problem...thanks for testing all or most games lol

[drifting frigate]

Oh, I'm so far off the pace for 'all.' But I've been running through a bunch. Though I got to play a bunch of Princess Crown today, so it's worth it. Sadly, Shining Force III was just getting good when it crapped out after the first transition out of the close up battle mode. (Also, there are some major sprite issues in SFIII). Probably for the best, or I'd still be playing.

[errant prawn]

Dual or single ram?

[drifting frigate]

Dual, but more importantly CIFS share. I have a single RAM and only a few games have different behavior on it, but off of SD or USB tons more have issues.

[strong zephyr]

Did you try it? I can't get snoop dogg to work, then what is even the point of this 😂

[sudden tusk]

Snoop doggy dog is on that ?

[drifting frigate]

I tried it. It was neat seeing the Kraken in 16 bits of glory.

But there's been ANOTHER update with playoff stats since I tried it.

[strong zephyr]

Uhm in jam 22 he should, not sure about the nhl94 one 😅

[sudden tusk]

My bad got a little confoosed

[polar geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiHcfYJlbcs

This game is excellent, and enhanced from Arcade

A great DECO game

[random shard]

I can confirm

[polar geode]

If only Edward Randy had gotten a Saturn port ;_;

[sudden tusk]

Game do be looking good

[verbal pollen]

Wow

[tiny flare]

it blows me away how much cooler looking and more colourful the majority of JP systems accessories were for Saturn

which is a good thing because they sure are a lot easier to come by these days

[acoustic sable]

I prefer the white JPs, but they get so so so filthy

Might just be a grass-is-greener; I have a model 1 eu

Bored of it 😄

[polar geode]

Pics of this supposedly cool PAL console plz

[tiny flare]

Victor Saturn Model 2 is by far the coolest in my opinion

I have EU Model 2, but I've always wanted to get one of those instead

[acoustic sable]

vs my preferred model 2 jp

I have a soft spot for white consoles

[tiny flare]

that one is really nice, I have the controller in that colour at least

[polar geode]

These look the same as the US model 1s and 2s

[acoustic sable]

JP model 1:

Edgy looking

[polar geode]

No, we had that weird pad too

[acoustic sable]

Such 90s colours

[untold lintel]

The sickest Saturn pad isn’t even for Saturn

Still kicking myself for never buying one

[polar geode]

Wait, is that a PS3 pad?

[untold lintel]

Ps2

[polar geode]

A Saturn pad with a select button, why didnt I get this argh

[acoustic sable]

That's delicious

[untold lintel]

They are like 200 bucks now

[polar geode]

Oh screw that

[acoustic sable]

That's ouch

[tiny flare]

still better value than what people are asking for Total Control 3...damn I wish someone would make a new Saturn -> Dreamcast pad adaptor...

[clear condor]

I wish modern consoles looked more like toys

[zinc vine]

sadly i got us model 1

[sudden tusk]

You gotta photoshop a fat doobie on the Hi Saturn

Get it cause it’s hi!

[polar geode]

https://24.media.tumblr.com/b88413b171065518a2e0ac217544e08b/tumblr_mmcrwkLuts1qedb29o1_500.gif

[drifting frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/tommy-wiseau-oh-hi-mark-hey-mark-gif-17296134

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/tommy-wiseau-the-room-im-fed-up-with-this-world-johnny-gif-10660565

[sudden tusk]

Image saved .. gonna make it the background for my mister

Also.. si si quiero!

[patent ingot]

HYPERDUEL is my JAM! I have the original Arcade PCB and Saturn game.

[stoic umbra]

Got it working. Picked the wrong core version.
Still needs some work.
Intro of Daytona usa japan kinda messed

[wraith echo]

They're not easy to come by, but it is possible to get them at a more reasonable price than what you get on eBay.

[pine bobcat]

Hey, that's my Saturn 🙂
Came with this pad:

If the Saturn core works well enough I may end up selling it with the MODE though
It doesn't fit well into my setup since there isn't an HDMI mod for Saturn

Yes, good point

[patent ingot]

RetroTINK5X Direct will solve this. It’s a dedicated solution using RT5X tech.

https://www.retrotink.com/amp/retrotink-5x-is-here

https://twitter.com/retrotink2/status/1652727272338788352?s=46&t=_EftGx0ENCgMNyH201TksA

Mike Chi (@retrotink2)

Naw, we just need the $10 FPGAs to go back to actually being $10.

The parts shortage is unwinding, and we're able to work directly with Intel instead of relying on the Chinese grey market.

So things are looking rosier for this as well as the RT4K.

Biggest limiting factor…

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[ancient surge]

Honestly can't wait for the RetroTINK4K to come out. I want high quality footage out of my games.

[sudden tusk]

Crows looks so cool to me but the gameplay is so damn slow!

[rapid perch]

https://twitter.com/Retro_Brewz/status/1598460191560929280?t=3pkLTU46Xbd81UmK3-1-HA&s=19

Retro Brewz (@Retro_Brewz)

The whole crew is loungin’

#SEGA #SonicTheHedgehog #RetroGaming

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Tails' hands are too huge

[naive whale]

you know what that means 😹

[rapid perch]

🧤 large gloves

[naive whale]

@burnt matrix and @sudden tusk stop commenting on todays video! It’s getting weird 🤣

[drifting frigate]

Julius is about to start some shit.

[naive whale]

My reply

[polar geode]

What is this religious brainrot

[burnt matrix]

Man that’s wild. Someone’s convinced themselves they’ll reach heaven by helping others receive the gift of the lord through youtube comments

[naive whale]

Common sense 420:69 says “Jesus isn’t saving YouTube commenters”

[naive whale]

🤣

[drifting frigate]

Click of my likes, for they are my flesh. Click of my subscribes for they are my blood.

[naive whale]

I hope they don’t see this thumbnail I made

Cross is still on my bookshelf inverted and stained with the blood I used

[sudden tusk]

Wasn’t me bro ..

[drifting frigate]

And lo, the angel did ask the bell icon be touch'd lest eternal suffering be thine fate.

[naive whale]

@drifting frigate I went practical and used a gallon of beef blood I got from my butcher too 😂 and someone called the police when I threw all the drop cloths in the dumpster because someone thought I murdered somebody

[drifting frigate]

In ChiTown? I mean.... precedent and all...

[naive whale]

In their defense I was throwing away sheets covered in a gallon of blood

[naive whale]

Yeah in the last week there’s been seven armed carjackings in our neighborhood. One was half a block away. Gun to the window style

[drifting frigate]

Oof

[burnt matrix]

I got to ask a police officer what the best method of removing a lot of blood out of your carpet without raising any suspicion

Foaming dual-enzymatic sprays do the trick. Easily bought from medical supply stores.

[drifting frigate]

Worst I've ever had is we had some cops stop a shoot in an alley at 3am with a water rig. In fairness, the scheduled shoot was for 9pm the previous night. But our director was an auteur with Kubrickian ego. So we didn't even get out of set until 6am the next morning (on a 7am call the previous day). I kinda loved that cop for doing that.

Doing a 'silent' shipwreck scene with pure chaos because we couldn't make any noise sucked. But not quiet enough, I guess.

[naive whale]

If I get murdered you can have my channel. You’ll shoot it how I like it I bet

[drifting frigate]

Shoot it, wrap it up in a rug, make a 4am trip to the dump....

[naive whale]

Only cinema cameras allowed though. The channel must lose money in style

It’s all I can do to not use my FX6 as that’s even stupider overkill

[drifting frigate]

I've got an Ursa 4.6K with PL and EF and two pocket 4Ks. I'll be in stealing range of a Red 12K in a couple weeks though.

So long as they don't catch me....RED...HANDE....ah, you get it.

[drifting crown]

Complete random aside @naive whale why’d you sometimes have a snk cart wedged in a n64?

[polar geode]

Hyper Neo Geo 64 joke

[naive whale]

It’s a visual gag. Unported playlist is all about games that never got home ports. Hyper Neo Geo uses the same CPU as the N64. So it could have been ported there but never was. Hence the cart in a port it doesn’t belong

[drifting frigate]

This has been my PSN avatar for almost a decade.

Not rooted in the HyperNG mythos, of course. But...

[sudden tusk]

Wow ! Looks like we got ourselves a couple of Scorsese’s up in here ..

https://tenor.com/view/happy-birthday-freaking-day-gif-17926512

[naive whale]

Yeah. Peter Scorsese. The cousin who never made it 😂

[sudden tusk]

You made it way farther than that guy already

Cinco de drinko tomorrow !

[naive whale]

I mean MAYBE you’ve seen a commercial I’ve done. Bout it

[sudden tusk]

Network tv add ?

[naive whale]

Yeah a few. KFC

And my last company but those commercials bordered on infomercials so I hope you didn’t see those 😂

I directed some long form “documercials” for Ray ban too but those were all just online stuff. Streaming too

[sudden tusk]

Tight!

Didn’t a lot of Hollywood directors get their start making commercials?

Like the couple who directed the original smb movie

[naive whale]

Probably. I have no idea how to “make it” anymore 😂

The whole industry is a disaster. Probably only like 18 months til AI does all the editing. I expect to be made obsolete

[sudden tusk]

Rough ..

Yeah the whole writers strike is definitely gonna put a hamper on things

[naive whale]

And I’ve been on the union call list in Chicago for 12 years and my name is still so fucking low down the list I’ll be retired by the time it comes up

[sudden tusk]

Damn .. keep on keeping on brother .. I know nothing about the movie pictures industry so can’t offer any advice.:

[naive whale]

Eh I’ll be fine. Always have been

I’ve done more cool shit in my 20 years in film than I’d ever imagined so I roll with it

Truth be told I don’t know if I could even hack 12 hour days long term any more

That 12 hour days for X days in a row shit plus commute time suuuucks

[drifting frigate]

I am in 1-2 Switch and some Gamers films and did work on Lightning Bolt for Pearl Jam. That's about all my far-reaching stuff.

Unless you're in Ohio. I was the voice of Romanburger at Mr. Hero for a few months.

[sudden tusk]

I got a couple of scripts you guys can take a look at .,

[sudden tusk]

Typical jaded industry people don’t wanna know about my script! .. Stallone wrote and starred in rocky .. if he can do it so can I

[polar geode]

You are like Frank Stallone without his brother to bankroll his projects

[drifting frigate]

The Italian Scallion

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/based-stallone-gif-24242381

[naive whale]

Taco’s Big Adventure

Well I’m certainly not a writer. Plenty of ideas, not a writer though

[frail token]

that's what ChatGPT is for

except it's nerfed and has a short memory now lol

[edgy hollow]

is there a Saturn SNAC yet? I kind of will start looking for broken Saturns to make a large SNAC for it lol

like what I did with a broken ps1 slim

Hopefully the ports are easily exposed like on PS1

[burnt matrix]

Sorta, there's a fork of the core that blue1 posted back in November that supports SNAC. I grabbed a SNAC adapter from MisterAddons and it worked great with the 3D pad and racing wheel.

[edgy hollow]

aw it's sold out

[burnt matrix]

So SNAC works but I'm guessing SRG is just focused on getting the core more developed before he formally adds that in

[edgy hollow]

yeah, will probably wait for chinese clones that can tap connections better

I guess if I can find an hdmi breakout box

instead of slicing open the saturn end

I guess I can just guy an extension

and slice that one now that I think about it in the worst case

[polar geode]

I have a Retrobit Saturn USB pad and a PS Classic USB pad, both are pretty great. No Analog though I guess, so there is that

[edgy hollow]

Although Saturn is kinda big, so probably not a good idea

At least you can claim the PS1 slim is cute

[soft valley]

I don’t have the Saturn one but I do have the playstation version

Kinda bananas that they go for so much, got it for like $30 in 2014

Sorry 2016

[tiny flare]

neat, looks like it supports wheels

PS2 wheels were prolific, so makes sense I guess, that's probably all you'd want that for

[soft valley]

I chain it with a brook adapter to use some sticks

I originally got it to use directly with my ps1 namco stick

[noble escarp]

I think those ps to dc adapters where made from bleempods.

[soft valley]

Wow yeah they look like them

[polar geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExoJ1CHfrj8

Get on this Taito scaler action

[drifting frigate]

I love Night Striker. Even on SegaCD it's excellent.

Thanks to @old pasture for dropping that Rabbit video. Made me try it on Saturn and I found my new favorite reply.mp4.

[quick smelt]

I assume you prefer the X68000 version vs the PS1 version?

[polar geode]

I do, but please keep in mind I am very very picky about that game in particular compared to most people

It just isnt running right in the X68000 core right now, so Im making do with Chronicles. Thankfully the PSX core has a dithering disable option in the OSD

[tacit karma]

does time gal works on saturn core?

[drifting frigate]

Cho Aniki works. It's way into your brain. Where it will live, rent-free, for the rest of your life.

Lemme try Time Gal.

[tulip urchin]

ui g

[drifting frigate]

But most of those Dragon's Lair type games are working well last I checked.

[drifting frigate]

Working great.

[verbal pollen]

Hard to find dragons lair games that actuallt flash where you’re supposed to go

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, TG is really nice in that respect.

[verbal pollen]

They all expect you to know what to do

[drifting frigate]

I tried Brain Dead 13 and it sucks for that.

A lot.

[verbal pollen]

[drifting frigate]

I started uploading a capture when I sent the 'works' message. I hate being on cable modem.

[verbal pollen]

🤣🤣🤣

[drifting frigate]

I used to have sync 1GB fiber, but we moved out into the boonies.

There we go.

Sounds good, too.

[verbal pollen]

I love this trope of games but god I hate them

[drifting frigate]

I'm (as demonstrated) very bad. But I'm also playing through capture.

[verbal pollen]

Yeah the timings are garbage

I just want to watch a YouTube video instead

[drifting frigate]

That's how I 'played' dragon's layer as a kid. I just hung around the machine at a bowling alley until someone good at the game played through it.

[verbal pollen]

🤣

[polar geode]

Time Gal and Badlands are my favorite LD games

[verbal pollen]

Sad that it didn’t become the norm

[drifting frigate]

Remember when they tried to spruce it up with holograms?

[polar geode]

https://media.giphy.com/media/ZRnARgO3AWiBHAgJsQ/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[verbal pollen]

Now THIS was the era i wish I grew up in

Here’s a game, code it yourself

[drifting frigate]

Time Traveler, I think was the one I played.

Oof, type ins.

I was too young for those. But my cousin was a FIEND and would get every C64 magazine he could.

[verbal pollen]

I missed out 😦

Those days are goneeeee

[drifting frigate]

Archive.org + MiSTer cores = you never have to be dragged into the future!

Tons of old magazine type ins on there!

[verbal pollen]

[burnt matrix]

GAME SUCKS

[drifting frigate]

PDS PTSD?

[burnt matrix]

I borrowed it 13 years ago from a friend along with his Saturn to play it

Still haven’t played it

[drifting frigate]

I really really dug Albert Odyssey when I tested it. Sadly, no saves means I'll just have to have another fun hour when they're finally supported. I just wish there was a De-Worked version because Victor Ireland is terrible, his dialog is bad and he should feel bad.

[burnt matrix]

lol, I appreciate his company bringing those games over but yeah, I don’t want him ever balance tuning a game

[drifting frigate]

Agreed and it did do a TON for getting imports and translations officially as generations continued. But JFC, his dialog is gross. And bad. And not true to the original at all. And yeah, the balance thing is bonkers. Were people RENTING these games? I never even saw Lunar for rent when I was a kid.

Lunar on SegaCD is such a horrible slog. Deworked is a much better experience for every title they've done it to so far.

[polar geode]

Working Designs? A friend of mine used to work for them lol

[drifting frigate]

Yeah. So many dated jokes. There's a valley girl fairy in Albert Odyssey and every single female character wants to bone Pike, the MC, in a non-subtle, awful way. Ireland's translations are infamous for being over the top on the creep factor.

[polar geode]

I guess we should feel happy those games got translations at all, obscure as some of them were

But it is 2023, and there is time for re-translation and balance patches

[drifting frigate]

Yeah.

Folks are doing them. http://stargood.org/unworked/index.php

[burnt matrix]

Oh that’s cool to know, thanks for recommending it

[drifting frigate]

NP! I should see if unworked Magic Knight Rayearth works on the Saturn core.

I bet it will. The Working Designs version works great.

Yep. It do.

[drifting frigate]

Well, got a full hour into it. They only changed the difficulty on MKR. Not the dialog. Too much voice, I'm guessing. But it's the least Working Designs dialog of any WD game. So it's not SO bad. Pretty great little game.

[tacit karma]

Great thanks for confirming

Ps1 port somehow has weird input lag but it's entirely due to software

Not the core or the hardware itself

[turbid crescent]

I liked the translation portion of WD, the difficulty adjustments are debatable but I do enjoy a challenge on JRPGs.
Besides, back then a lot of games were JP only because "westerns are not interested in JRPGs", it was pretty much WD and nobody else.

So shitting on the guys that brought Lunar, Albert Odyssey and several others to the West, is not a nice move.

[burnt matrix]

I share your perspective too but no one should be protected from criticism. Especially if you bought their products when they came out.

It’s wonderful they translated the games and distributed them here in the US but they’re a business and consumers have every right to complain when they’re not happy with the product.

I don’t really mind the translations since they’re a product of their time but if I were a dev, I’d be pretty insulted having my game or script tampered with in such an infantile way. Same with game balancing. Their team had no clue how to make a game, let alone properly balance it.

[sudden tusk]

I don’t think anyone who bought one of these games back in the day had any idea that they were “changed” often for the worse .. they just wanted a slice of what Japan was having

[burnt matrix]

I certainly didn’t lmao. I was happy I got to play Alundra.

[sudden tusk]

My first WD game was lunar

For ps1

[burnt matrix]

Which is why I share his perspective. At the time I had no clue and the script was fine (to me).

[sudden tusk]

Same

[lusty rapids]

Working Designs probably would've been more acceptable if they didn't make game play changes too

[sudden tusk]

That being said I do however really enjoy the unworked version of popful mail

[lusty rapids]

though tbh I cringed at the humor at the time too and really wondered if that was the original script, but of course didn't know

fan groups also made cringe worthy translations too, when that was up and coming. Luckily things are better all around nowadays, but I don't think WD really gets to escape criticism

anyway, gitgud at Japanese I guess

lol gottem

[burnt matrix]

I love this joke because fundamentally you’re right

lmaaaaao

[ancient surge]

I don't know how I should feel about Working Designs, since that company simultaneously pulls really bad business practices but also goes to great lengths with bonus content.

[lusty rapids]

the amount of crap you got with lunar was a lot and high quality

I remember that

maybe it's an apology from the PR team for the 13 y/o they had writing the script

[ancient surge]

I do prefer the "Unworking Design" patches though, simply because it fixes my biggest complaint with them artificially inflating the difficulty of games.

[lusty rapids]

I'm just glad XSeed got onto the scene

really good localization house

[sudden tusk]

Wish I still had the medallion that came with lunar ps1

[drifting frigate]

You definitely don't want to hear my opinions on Streamline then. (Key word...opinion. I am opining. About something in the past).

And I gave them enough money. I'll keep my opinions.

I still have my punching Galeon puppet in the box. Lunar. MKR (the stickers are long gone).

[turbid crescent]

That's the thing, if it wasn't for their work, a lot of us wouldn't get to know great games until a team decides to translate it. And that effort takes several years most of the time.

[drifting frigate]

I agree

But I'm still going to critique the content.

[turbid crescent]

And as I said, I do welcome the challenge, heck I finished Phantasy Star 2 without a guide back then. It was tough, makes every WD game feels like a cake walk.

[drifting frigate]

The xp drop in Lunar SS was insane. The grinding was part of why people didn't play it.

It's not hard. It's tedious.

PS2 wasn't even that bad. PS1 was closer, but even then. They also bumped the encounter rate. I'm loving the patches though.

They are a welcome choice to have

[pearl harbor]

Agreed that the Working Designs issues are more problematic in retrospect. At the time, I had absolutely no idea that they made gameplay adjustments to the games and loved their releases. I still have my Lunar 1 and 2 PS1 releases, Arc the Lad Collection, and Growlanser Generations on PS2. Along with the PS1 games' strategy guides, which were pretty awesome at the time.

[drifting frigate]

My brother is putting our old MKR up for sale soon. The Saturn was his so I didn't get to play it much. I've played it more on the core. It's really good. Even as is.

I'm sure the license drove a lot of the decisions.

[sharp comet]

they tried to use 90's slang which was common with young men at the time and hasn't aged well

[turbid crescent]

About the humor, it was the 90's and I still welcome this kind of humor to this day. People are way too harsh to criticize anything and everything, like it needs to cater to every person on the planet. A lot of things may not be for you, but nowadays people actively try to either cancel or shame people for enjoying it.

You'll never see me trying to cancel "cooking mama" but things like "We need to be better" on a fucking god of war game, or how people freaked about a scene in Persona 5. Things like this are what makes me go through so many hoops to buy a western game nowadays.

[pearl harbor]

But yeah, when going back today to play them, the problems are more obvious. I played through Popful Mail recently and was taken aback when she called someone "re#*$%ed" in the game.

[turbid crescent]

The "problems" are the people.

[drifting frigate]

So what's wrong with preferring the patches then? I don't want to wipe WD out of existence. Just in MY library.

[open swan]

play chrono cross, read the lines of some of the more "ethnic" characters. it reads like 1930's stereotypes of how people talk. it was impossible for me not to constantly notice it and cringe on a recent playthrough lol

it was so apparent that they removed it in the hd remaster rerelease in a couple scenes

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, it's rough. At least the new translation of Radical Dreamers is a touch better. Though, you're still playing Radical Dreamers. Such a weird mechanic, having a text adventure on the snes.

Glad I played it, though.

[turbid crescent]

Nothing, I was just pointing out how it was them that took the bet on west wanting JRPGs, there isn't just a "bad side" of things like people paint it like they destroyed whatever they touched.

[drifting frigate]

I've held this opinion since the 90s, so it's not a reactionary thing for me. I couldn't afford imports so I felt "stuck" with it at the time.

[soft valley]

Idk if some of the better translations that have been done recently would have been as marketable in the 90s, I’m guessing someone felt that the humor was a value add-in

[drifting frigate]

I imported one game and my youth and my mom turned it away at delivery. :/

[soft valley]

Remember this is the era in the US of 32-bit 2D bad according to marketing (and probably sales)

[turbid crescent]

The humor was already there, they just adapted the jokes to make sense in the west.

[turbid crescent]

Still, it was either this or no game at all, simple point.

[soft valley]

Is it possible that it’s easier to do accurate translation nowadays with the internet being what it is now compared to then?

I’m so glad for un-WD versions but yeah I feel like the hate was not there back then, people were just grateful to have a publisher doing stateside releases of these games

[turbid crescent]

Japanese games, pretty much like japanese everything, is made with japanese in mind. Remember the whole Resident Evil 5 being racist thing? That was fun to watch.

This is changing a bit on games, because the industry there is at a weird spot lately. Some studios get that it's the japanese touch that makes it interesting, not all of them are going this route, sadly.

Didn't work for capcom in the early 2000's, it won't work now.

[drifting frigate]

No, it's not a "simple point." It's just history and history is not immune from critique. Being part of an underestimated group watching a thing I enjoyed be coopted by a sales team's opinion is where I sat. And that's where my viewpoint sits. There's not really a way to know how sales would have gone with less edgelord translations. But tons of people know Chrono Trigger in the US and it didn't make upskirt jokes about harpy teen girls.

So, play them as they were released. I'm just happy more options to NOT do that exist and I enjoy the WD releases less. Personally.

[turbid crescent]

Which brings me to 2 things. One, not everything should cater to everyone and two, such a high horse stance after a conversation on religion that took place on this very same channel a few days back. I'm an atheist myself, but respect is deserved throughout IMO.

Really interesting topic, though. Sadly I don't think people will be comfortable to go through it.

[drifting frigate]

I just noticed your avatar, btw, and outside of this convo, I literally started playing SH2010 for the first time last night! What a trip....Was not expecting Jim Cummings. It's wild.

[turbid crescent]

It's not a great game, solid 6, I just have a thing for the franchise.

[drifting frigate]

I didn't get very far, but I agree. Gore over substance. Still, it's an experience so far.

Rick's facial hair guest starred on Laguna Beach for a season.

[turbid crescent]

The metal and dismemberment can only carry it so far. Very 90's game though, you can collect some "pics" of your girlfriend and unlock not so great emulated versions of the 3 OG games.

It needed at least an year in oven. I wouldn't recommend it to everyone.

Again, I had a history with the franchise. Hoping for a core to play the original arcade release.

[open swan]

in this case, relating back to chrono cross, it was the American localization team that decided to make Mojo talk like a really antiquated stereotype of how creole people talk

[prisma wraith]

adding -om at the end of everything makes for a pretty annoying reading experience while playing also. its a good change

[inner kayak]

Is the spreadsheet updated with testing results of the latest build?

[drifting frigate]

I don't even know if that's possible anymore. It's all over the place and everyone is getting conflicting results.

[mortal mist]

exactly , it's frustrating

[drifting frigate]

I can't start Guardian Heroes anymore, but can get 7 Winds running. I can get Final Fight revenge going, but now Grandia doesn't load. It's the wild west.

[inner kayak]

Darn.

[open swan]

funnily enough though, they only got rid of it half of the time, because the remaster was sloppy lol

[turbid crescent]

FF7 Barret was a bit different on the localization as well, but that was kept in the "remake" as far as I remembered.

[drifting frigate]

I just did a playthrough of Nekketsu Oyako on PS1. The Saturn core is already so much more playable. There's so much slowdown on the PS1 version. You give up transparencies for dithered, but it's just way more responsive on Saturn...It's probably the best whale-based level in any game [cetacean needed]

[drifting frigate]

OK, there's a lot of slowdown on the Saturn in the whale level, but it feels more responsive to input during the slowdown. It's still got that issue where pickups juggle so you can get stuck bending over to swap knives instead of throwing punches. That's in both versions. What a weird, neat game.

[open swan]

ff7 remake localization was excellent, and the voice actor was on point --> https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0072829/

[unkempt oar]

Not as far as I know. They inserted all that dated humor themselves.

I mean yeah there was some humor but they added a lot and also mutilated what was there. I used to buy their games back then. I appreciate that they brought them over. But they also did too much tinkering with the code and went too far with the dialogue. I've always felt this way. So did many people back then.

[edgy hollow]

prisoner of ice psx or saturn is better?

since both have english subs

[stone sky]

I would also like to know, it interested me to play even more now that I have Fenrir on my Saturn

I assume that because it's predominantly a 2d adventure it must be better on saturn

[edgy hollow]

yeah, that's what I'm assuming too

[drifting frigate]

Is it a point and click? I'll throw myself on the fire for that.

[edgy hollow]

although my problem right now is I want to play ist all

it is a point and click at least based on what I've seen

I just hope it doesn't have weird solutions that don't make sense

[drifting frigate]

"Moon logic" as it were?

[edgy hollow]

yeah

I remember hating it on Monkey Island

but I heard * Quest games were worse

since you can lock yourself out of the ending

[drifting frigate]

I never felt like MI had it...everything seemed fairly straight forward. Sam n' Max, however....FULL of it.

Just 'use everything on everything or you get nowhere' for most of that game.

Police Quest had it a bit, but for the most part if you read the training stuff for each mission it was ...kinda straight forward. There were times it was just a guess though. Like the homeless guy in the river.

[tidal raptor]

1995 point and click adventure, I'd be surprised if it didn't have some moon logic

also since it's a japan only console port of a point and click, I think you're probably gonna get about the same for quality on each console. Haven't tried the saturn version, but PS1 version seemed alright. The cursor speed is quite slow by default, you can speed it up a little in the options though

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, mousespeed 5 is a must.

Lloyd sounds like Stephen Root.

Won't load on the Saturn core for me, so someone with an ODE will have to check it. But it's also super cheap on GOG in higher resolution and with english and other language choices.

And mouse, of course.

PS mouse didn't do anything for me in the game.

[edgy hollow]

still at work so that's like 10 hours before I can test it lol

[quick smelt]

Anyone tried Earthworm Jim 2 for Saturn on an analog yet?

[turbid crescent]

I was talking the OG FF7 localization. Barret is different in tone and this was kinda moved into the "remake" version, but wasn't originally there in JP version.

[drifting frigate]

I can't even get it to start with the analogue pad. :/

[edgy hollow]

what do you mean analog?

like analog pad, analog board?

[quick smelt]

Sorry, I meant analog board

[drifting frigate]

Oooh, gimme 5 min.

Works better than on my dual ram setup! Better audio. And it's centered on the CRT (the Saturn menu isn't, but the game is).

Played through the first level.

No issues.

I'm using CIFS share for my storage, though.

[polar geode]

Is it possible to just run the single SDRAM version if you have Dual SDRAM, and have it function as if you only had 1 SDRAM stick?

[drifting frigate]

I think so. I think the RBF just ignores the extra ram on the single build, but I may be wrong.

[polar geode]

Okie

[drifting frigate]

Let me see if I get better sound out of it with single on my dual setup. That's a good test.

[quick smelt]

Awesome- thanks for checking! I've read that the Saturn version is the "definitive" version of this game

[drifting frigate]

So no difference on the digital I/O board running single ram. Still no sound. I'm using HDMI sound on that one, but am using the 3.5mm jack on the analog. I haven't checked the HDMI output to see if it has sound. But yeah, zero difference with the single ram rbf.

[polar geode]

Good to know, thank you

[drifting frigate]

I'm gonna go check the HDMI out on that in a few minutes. Now I'm curious.

Works fine over HDMI, let's see if I'm stupid and have DSP turned off in debug on my dual ram....

Welp. It's enabled. So no idea why dual is not outputting sound for EWJ2 when analog/single is.

Welcome to 'this shit is way too organic for a digital platform' - the series where we shake our heads and poke at things with sticks for 23 episodes.

[quick smelt]

Haha, thank you for the head-shaking and stick-poking!

[drifting frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/do-something-meme-gif-8007840

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/when-will-you-learn-pissed-gif-12689437

[polar geode]

SANIC

[drifting frigate]

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, hey, stop that!

[polar geode]

SMOOTH MOVES ROBUTTNIK

[marble laurel]

Update of the CPU "SH"
https://github.com/srg320/SH/commit/b2d69e350e87fc98cc25cca48369e32ee64f4e80

[undone oyster]

Ooooo

Wonder if this will fix much

Or maybe it is getting ready for a new update to the core

[mortal mist]

maybe there will be more updates on github , we will see

[undone oyster]

Keep that eye on it Kuba 🙂

[tough star]

Off-topic YouTube comments from Jesus bots

[tough star]

For no reason

[naive whale]

Anything new on the core compatibility wise?

[mortal mist]

No one is likely to have checked yet, one fix for SH

[naive whale]

Lmk if anyone finds anything interesting

[mortal mist]

I do not expect anything spectacular 🙂

[naive whale]

I can walk away from this project. Hate these fucking boards

[ancient surge]

No dual RAM build? So it's specifically to optimize the single RAM build?

[wet hull]

Ooo SH2 might be the fix for Gekirindran background scroll

[shadow merlin]

I get in game with Shinobi X on the dualram version of the core (not today's core the last one). Just tried it with the new single ram core and it works for me

[undone oyster]

I will try the single RAM build when I get home to see if there are any changes for me

[shadow merlin]

Says Shinobi x

[undone oyster]

For example shining the holy ark might finally get passed the initial loading screen

[mortal mist]

For me, the fact that everyone has different results is not surprising

I have been using the same set since the beginning, and I have different results

[shadow merlin]

That's a video of me booting Shinobi X

region free

might be worth swapping it out and seeing if you have better results 🙂

I'm using cifs and have 2.9 ram, if it makes any difference

[wet hull]

JP bios is recommended

[shadow merlin]

Just tried Shinobi X on my 2nd mister and it froze on that one

[dusk sonnet]

anyone luck with Die Hard Arcade? Sound is crackling

[drifting frigate]

The patreon update has a fairly extensive fix list.

[mortal mist]

Yeah new core is coming

[drifting frigate]

Sweet!

[warped cliff]

👀

[polar geode]

Ooh

[naive whale]

damn it...looks like I need a new video for tomorrow lol

[random shard]

Should we say its almost beta now?

Or too soon?

[ancient surge]

Still too unstable, so no.

[ancient narwhal]

Interesting, very curious how Panzer Dragoon runs now with the new build and the “add support Line screen” feature

[turbid crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/toosoon-junior-driving-inthecar-fastandthefurious-gif-4557842

[naive whale]

@shadow merlin would you mind if I cut that video into a special video tomorrow? W/ credit of course

[random shard]

I shared this on the Facebook group and got scolded by theypsilon 😂

[shadow merlin]

I don't mind at all, feel free 👍

[naive whale]

Appreciate it

[drifting frigate]

It's not showing patrons only for me. If it was, I wouldn't have shared it.

But I'm on phone, so maybe it doesn't show the tag.

Yeah, it even has the share option, so it's public.

[random shard]

I think it wasn't yours but another patrons-only update shared freely here on discord

I'm not even a patreon

Something tells me he's super anal

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, some folks get weird about weird things.

I've been doing crowdfunding releases since 2013 for film and we just know, even if it's marked backer-only/etc, once it's out it's out.

When we wanted to make sure it went to backers first, we put one of our films on a physical flash drive and mailed it out to them. We knew even then it would get out, but at least they'd all have a minute with the exclusive.

[tidal raptor]

srg320 also posted the list to twitter so I don't think it was meant to be private

[dense kernel]

Don't think it's a problem

Be a gentle man and just support him.

[thorn pagoda]

i do kind of wish srg320 could figure out why the core works differently on everyones mister

[undone oyster]

Woooo new build incoming 🙂

[thorn pagoda]

it's got to happen at some point right? or testing it is going to be impossible

[undone oyster]

It is why I can't possibly keep updating the Google sheet, when certain games work for some and not others

[thorn pagoda]

i've never seen a core thats quite so random

[naive whale]

recutting a video to accomodate the news for a new core

[old pasture]

I had a video scheduled that was released a few minutes ago.

I look forward to testing the updated core. Hopefully SotN can finally work for me 😀

[naive whale]

anyone test any new games on it yet? so I can mention in description

[undone oyster]

It is still building bro

[old pasture]

I just tried bubble Symphony

[drifting frigate]

Still in...yeah, it's at synthesis right now

[old pasture]

It plays flawlessly

Oh SotN still not working. I've just gone through all the versions

[undone oyster]

Did you build it yourself?

[old pasture]

Thanks for thinking I'm smart but I downloaded it from the unstable nightlies section of this discord server

[undone oyster]

Ohhh the one that came out a couple of hours ago, there is a newer one building as we speak 🙂

That has more changes 🙂

[old pasture]

Oh shizz, thanks. I'll wait for that lol

Appreciated

[undone oyster]

No problem 🙂

[old pasture]

Right, I better get my ass ready for work.

I take it when done it'll be in the unstable nightlies, soni can grab it?

[drifting frigate]

Should be about 20 more minutes based on the pace of previous builds.

[undone oyster]

Yeah it will be there in like Andy D said about another 20 mins

[old pasture]

Thanks

[undone oyster]

As always it is no problem 🙂

Still building, it will be in unstable nightlies section of the discord when it is done

Sounds about right 🙂

[stiff patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrkEDe6Ljqs

[naive whale]

if anyone else gets captures by like 5 PM lmk. I may recut my recut tonight if I get this client shit out the door. Buried in actual editing

[stiff patrol]

its already 6pm !

[naive whale]

CHICAGO STANDARD TIME

[old pasture]

Yeah, I can actually film and edit videos at work, I just don't have access to the MiSTer

[naive whale]

forget Central. Its Chicago baby

I assume @old pasture is a gigolo working nights

[stiff patrol]

hes a heart surgeon with a devil may care attitude

[old pasture]

Rent a Hero no1 is me

[polar geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h8h6NmIjpA

[old pasture]

Will do

[drifting frigate]

Can't believe that dude pimped his sister for 500G.

[old pasture]

Just grabbing a bite on the way

[old pasture]

That's a decent amount

[stiff patrol]

needs cooking !

[old pasture]

That's the plan

[polar geode]

Chicago dipshits unite!

[drifting frigate]

Not in RaH money! It's like 2 'burger kits' or whatever. Hehe.

[old pasture]

Lol

[tall radish]

Didn't this work before

[drifting frigate]

Synth just completed on DS

[tall radish]

It ran pretty ok already

[polar geode]

Still no sound on Sega Ages Outrun

Hang in there boys, we'll get 60fps Outrun sometime this year

[shadow merlin]

Virtual-On still has invisible robots

[polar geode]

Shinobi Legions does not boot

[shadow merlin]

I already tried it and it still does for me, for whatever reason

[naive whale]

I encountered a lot of freezing

on old cores

[shadow merlin]

Title music for Bulk Slash has gone a bit strange

[old pasture]

Shinobi used to work but stopped in recent updates

[polar geode]

This is going to be another random crapshoot of different results from different setups, sigh

[undone oyster]

DualRAM build finished, Single RAM still building

[polar geode]

X better>

?

Graphical glitches on now loading text on Dracula X improvement hack, sound glitching, music still skipping and acting weird for certain areas

No SFX

While in game

[hard reef]

Galaxy Force 2 is a newly working one for me

[polar geode]

Astal appears to be fixed? Character sprite no longer floating and glitching

[undone oyster]

whilst I am waiting for single RAM to finish, can someone do me a favour and test skeleton warriors

[polar geode]

Oops, spoke to soon

The graphics layers start disappearing after you rescue the bird, and the sound glitches out

[hard reef]

The water is displaying better in Panzer Dragoon

[polar geode]

Thunderforce V goes to black screen instead of gameplay, same deal

[shadow merlin]

Bulk Slash used to hang after the first boss for me, but I was just able to get to the second level without any crashes. And the music/sound (mostly) sounded pretty good

[naive whale]

if you end up with more captures lmk

I am tits deep in editing some corporate talking head crap about brand synergy. Kill me now

[polar geode]

Super Tempo still not booting, black screen

[sudden tusk]

OH SHIT ! Test storm!!

Still no saving though…

[polar geode]

Music turns off in the first level of Layer Section after a minute

[sudden tusk]

But I’m sure it’s on the way

[polar geode]

Toggling pause turns it back on

[sudden tusk]

Sonic R used to behave that way as well

[polar geode]

Sonic Wings Special does not boot, black screen

And another one just dropped

Why is the date on it 4/10?

Sonic Jam has some sound glitching in the menus, fine in game

[sudden tusk]

Good thing I waited

[heavy phoenix]

does the core use chd

[sudden tusk]

Nope

[polar geode]

Ill wait a little and try the next one later

[sudden tusk]

Hopefully the new one saves!!

[polar geode]

Looking forward to auto region booting on future releases

And more just dropped

Feel like a stupid consumer animal, looking up with my mouth open for devs to throw down my FPGA chow

That would indicate that we are dangerous in some way, devs are not scared of us plebs

[tough star]

say what you want he played a captain who's first loyalty was to his crew and was star struck by LaForge

[polar geode]

You get my PMs Duckula

Just capitalize that last latter if you're feeling cheeky

[naive whale]

another fun day in MiSTer land

new core, I got another arcade PCB repaired this morning...a great Weds!

[polar geode]

Ill upgrade you to "maggot from Chicago"

[naive whale]

how very kind

[tough star]

Every time SRG320 posts something I more more relieved that he's still with us than happy to have a new version if that makes sense - don't get me wrong I'm looking forward to digging into the Saturn Library - but well-being comes first.

hey I'm not doing that!

[naive whale]

Yes each update is kind of a "I am still here" update

[tough star]

https://tenor.com/view/daffy-duck-angry-eyes-angry-mad-gif-15156583

[pearl harbor]

So there's two new single ram builds? Which one should be used?

One says update files, and one says update debug.

[undone oyster]

So from my testing so far
Shining the holy ark - no change, still hangs on now loading
Radiant Silvergun - Still doesn't boot
Nights Into Dreams, Still hangs at sonic team logo till I press start and still no audio

Skeleton Warriors - Still missing sprite layer

So this build is still pretty much the same as the last one

🙂

So how are people loading their games?

I am using my USB HDD that I use for every other core

[polar geode]

@tough star PM

[undone oyster]

Do you have different results to me?

Saturn SotN black screens selecting Maria now

Let's try the old Duke 3D trick xD

[tacit karma]

how complete would you guys rate the saturn core ? compared to the PSX core for instance

[undone oyster]

Still highly alpha

Still highly unplayable for pretty much anything

[pearl harbor]

PSX core is basically done.

[mortal mist]

definitely alpha 🙂

[tacit karma]

I see

[umbral radish]

@naive whale Space Harrier is a lot smoother now with this build, no music though.

[sudden tusk]

Outrun is working

[umbral radish]

Kyuukyoku Tiger II Plus is now also working for me, never used to work prior to today's build

[mortal mist]

well this time Sega Rally doesn't work for me 😄

white screen

[naive whale]

Good to know. Last test was way under targer framerate

[undone oyster]

I need to wait longer for this core I think

[mortal mist]

yeah

I check more out of curiosity , I'm glad that this core is being created , but a long way to go to play comfortably

[undone oyster]

I know what you mean, the compatibility is also very random

[pearl harbor]

That early big room in Castlevania no longer turns blindingly yellow.

[undone oyster]

To me it is just black screen after picking Maria

[pearl harbor]

I can no longer get In the Hunt to boot up, but in previous builds that game worked near flawless.

Maria works fine on my end.

[mortal mist]

yeah, i played Sega Rally without problems last time, now i see white screen

[undone oyster]

This is what I mean about the core being too random

I need to get a digital IO and a 2nd RAM module and test the Dual Ram version of the core

[sudden tusk]

ASTAL still fucky

[pearl harbor]

I noticed that I can't get the second race/track to load anymore in Sega Rally. But in previous builds I was able to get through at least the first three.

[sudden tusk]

Outrun runs like a dream though

[mortal mist]

my dual works sometimes worse than single

[undone oyster]

Hmmmm

[sudden tusk]

Fighters mega mix is still a bit janky but a bit better with sound

[vernal sun]

I snagged a backup disc off of someone's FTP on SX in like 99 of this game. It was truly a WTF moment. Such a great game!

[mortal mist]

it's all so random , it's hard to check what works and what doesn't and keep a list

[sudden tusk]

Vf II arena floor seems to render correctly now .. but the layer underneath is still fucky

Love the “high rez”Saturn mode

[pearl harbor]

Radiant Silvergun still works fine on my end outside of busted audio.

[ancient surge]

R.I.P. Dracula's piss room

[sudden tusk]

Grandia is getting farther than it did before

[pearl harbor]

Whoa, Panzer Dragoon looks way better now. No longer a vast sea of white in stage 1.

[sudden tusk]

Im waiting for this unskipabble grandia cutscene to finish

[ancient surge]

Did anyone test Sonic Jam yet? Does the "Sonic World" mode have the glitched textures still?

[drifting frigate]

Testing it right now, actually. I'll let you know.

[pearl harbor]

It's looking good on my end now!

[subtle tusk]

My single ram test earlier still had the glitched ground texture

[sudden tusk]

And grandia has minor graphical glitches but overall the game looks and runs great ..

No sound and the cutscenes are fucked up

There’s sound effects but no music

[pearl harbor]

That's how Grandia has been for me since builds from last fall.

[sudden tusk]

Oh::: not me ..

[mortal mist]

Maria looks nice here 😉

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, Sonic Jam seems fine. Slight audio crackling, but fairly faint. Everything seems to be working and the textures look great.

Grandia worked for me a LONG time ago (with massive slowdown) but now it gets stuck on the clouds in the unskippable intro.

[polar geode]

Im on single, the randomness continues

I also am not on the latest latest

Theres been like 3 cores today lmao

[drifting frigate]

In classic organic fashion, it's not working for me on dual.

[warped cliff]

it's not even alpha yet, still missing features.

[sudden tusk]

PD II better audio

[mortal mist]

Cross is missing 😋

[sudden tusk]

Try disabling the second option for audio in the debug menu.. sometimes that cleans up the audio

[subtle tusk]

I wouldn't call anything a "beta core" until it mostly works with a few outlier issues, like the way PSX was for most of last year.

[ripe valley]

Grandia goes in-game for me, I can control the main character.
No sounds at all.

[drifting frigate]

Super Tempo working on Single Ram build (dual ram MiSTer)

[drifting frigate]

Are you seeing any slowdown? It crawled for me last time it worked.

[ripe valley]

Some slowdowns everything 8-10 seconds.

But nothing major right there.
The intro and some textures were wacky though.

[sudden tusk]

The sound in PD is near perfect !!

[ripe valley]

No changes on Shinobi, Guardian Heroes (regression from previous version on my side, black screen with music on the select screen) and Taromaru (freezes after the third stage).
Panzer Dragoon is improved, some parts of Panzer Dragoon Zwei too.

No more yellow screen on Akumajou Dracula X.

[mortal mist]

same here - Guardian Heroes

black screen with music

some time ago I finished Guardian Heroes on core

[ripe valley]

Soukyuu Gurentai Otokuyou and Soukyuu Gurentai goes in-game now, without sounds.

No more freezes on my side, on 3 tries between testing other games.

[mortal mist]

yes

[drifting frigate]

I dig the vibe. But the 'milk' guy is a bit much. Hehe.

[sudden tusk]

Good god panzer dragoon is the ultimate masterpiece of game design ..

[dense kernel]

It is quantum physics

[naive whale]

It’s a weird vibe

[drifting frigate]

I can also get into Grandia with the single ram build but not the dual ram build on a dual ram MiSTer.

[mortal mist]

nope, Daikatana is

😛

[ripe valley]

Mine is Dual RAM and Grandia sort of worked (with glitches and bugs, but goes in-game).

Strangely, I can't boot Super Tempo anymore, whatever I've tried.

[sudden tusk]

Seriously though, everyone do me a favor and fire up panzer dragoon before the day is over

[drifting frigate]

Which one?

[sudden tusk]

First one

[drifting frigate]

"My face feels funny."

[sudden tusk]

This build seems to have fixed all issues except sound is scratchy but only during the level complete screen

[sudden tusk]

Im getting the same behavior with grandia

Gameplay is smooth af though

[zinc vine]

more games are working?

[mortal mist]

more or less 😛

[ripe valley]

The faces on Grandia seem to be the same bug as the backgrounds on Groove on Fight.

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, way smoother than the last time I got it to boot.

[ancient surge]

This is what it feels like when you take a hot bath and then you stand up too quickly.

[sudden tusk]

Astra superstar has way better sound

[halcyon mica]

Sadly Cotton II still does not even show the intro for me 😦

[ripe jetty]

From a friend: “i'm getting black screen on booting saturn games on the mister. bioses are on there but it hangs after the sega screen”

[sudden tusk]

Anybody check burning rangers yet ?

Bulkslash voices on point though

[mortal mist]

Panzer Dragon really looks great now

music is ok

[sudden tusk]

It holds up better than anything else from its generation

Except daikatana of course

[mortal mist]

nice really nice

I have played this game 100 times 😛

[sudden tusk]

Burning rangers intro cutscene plays now but no sound

Burning rangers no sound .. like at all

Wait there are sound effects

[naive whale]

Does it still freeze in the tutorial area? I’ve never managed to get out

[sudden tusk]

Just got into the second room

It’s showing me the different color doors and whatnot

Big landman lol

What kind of a wack ass name is that

Come on sonic team

[sudden tusk]

I’m putting out fires

[naive whale]

I’ve never gotten into the first proper level

Like outside of the how to play beginning

[sudden tusk]

We shall see in a moment

And I reseted my mister accidentally

Moving on to guardian heroes!

Black screen at tittle for guardian heroes

[naive whale]

Nailed it!

[sudden tusk]

It looked like it was gonna work but it made a horrible sound went to adjust sound in menu but hit reset by mistake 😦

[old pasture]

damn, I miss my MiSTer

[sudden tusk]

You don’t have a mister ?

[old pasture]

no a MiSTer

[naive whale]

Yeah the sounds will make you jump sometimes

[old pasture]

Oh sorry, I,m at work so not near my MiSTer. That's why I miss it

[sudden tusk]

Oh my bad! I was about to start a gofundme to get you one

[grand sundial]

Aww man… I must be patient!

[drifting frigate]

Gantz will get his, someday.

The Tenchi game addressed by a specific fix is actually quite good. Puyo-esque, but with a few major gameplay differences. And the Ryou-Oki blocks are the angriest bunnies you've ever seen. Which is great. If I was a ship that had to eat lettuce I'd be pissed, too.

[ancient surge]

Thunder Force V is still a complete mess.

[drifting frigate]

It's like the bottom of a mormon cooler. No sprites.

[old pasture]

haha, you're too kind lol

[stiff patrol]

i was going to start a go fund me for you and then steal the cash

[ancient surge]

Looks like Sonic R experienced some regression in this latest build.

[sudden tusk]

Had to stop testing .. dang kids booted me off my own MISTer lol

[ancient surge]

Also I can confirm Shinobi Legions does not work on my end.

I wonder why this game is so anal in particular.

[old pasture]

Nice

btw, off-topic but is anyone gonna pick up an ASUS Rog Ally?

[stiff patrol]

Can we say you only have a few months to live, Should net more cash

[old pasture]

maybe I can hold a gold clock and have a couple of blankets around me

[stiff patrol]

if you could make a video where you look like you are dying of consumption that would help

figure we could get to 6 figures, well when I say we ......

[ancient surge]

Oh cool the music bug with Cotton 2 was fixed! The main menu is still broken though.

[old pasture]

cotton 2 worked well for me earlier today

[drifting frigate]

Ogre Battle takes 5ever to load, but it gets there.

[sudden tusk]

https://youtu.be/CJblrziiuhw

They beat his ass with their shillelaghs !

[tall radish]

Wear a jacket

[ancient surge]

Panzer Dragoon is running pretty great now!

[sudden tusk]

Yeah buddy made it to level 4 earlier ..

Goddang that game holds up

[slate karma]

Does it still have the very sensitive SDRAM timing issues? I'm in Australia and still in bed right now, so haven't tested yet 😅

[drifting frigate]

Seems to, yeah.

[slate karma]

Yeah, just confirmed that I still can't boot Sega Rally, just going to white screen still. This is with slower RAM timing @141MHz

[sudden tusk]

Cotton 2 playing flawlessly

Also the second character in cotton 2 has a talking wizard hat like in Harry poooter

That’s where jk stole it from

[rough topaz]

Does the new core update require a specific unstable main? I’ve been scrolling through this afternoon’s comments but haven’t found an answer yet. So my apologies if this was asked a bunch of times.

[drifting frigate]

No, release main.

[rough topaz]

Thank you!

[drifting frigate]

NP!

[sudden tusk]

Decathlete working fine with sound but minor graphical glitches

Big improvement from the last build

[dawn moth]

still no daytona.

[old pasture]

it still sounds like random results, Daytona has been working decent for me for some time, sound is still off though.

[ancient surge]

Daytona works for me. Still got problems, but it boots and can be played.

[naive whale]

You mean Daytoooona

[ancient surge]

Daytona USA Championship Circuit Edition is the same deal, playable but broken

[old pasture]

haha

[shadow merlin]

Assault Suit Leynos 2 seems to be working pretty well. If you get graphical corruptions you can press "start" to clear it from the screen

[weary palm]

No daytona for me :/

[sudden tusk]

Funny , Daytona championship edition was working for me last build , but not anymore

[shadow merlin]

Daytona works for me on dual ram. Some exploding polygons in the intro but plays well

[ancient surge]

So I guess Daytona depends on the build?

I was using the dual RAM build and it booted up like normal, but I don't know about the single RAM build.

[rich grotto]

came here cause i was having probs with the core, forgive me if this isn't the place. i'm using virtua fighter 2 for my test game and the core seems to crash to black screen on the sega logo screen every time. not sure what i'm doing wrong, followed guides to the letter

[naive whale]

Some stuff just doesn’t work. Or it won’t work for you but it will for others. It’s very “organic”

[dawn moth]

none of the datoooooonas have worked for me in ages. I tried all the bioses too. Single ram.

[slate karma]

Chances are you have a slower speed RAM, since the updates as of a month or two ago only SDRAM that gets higher timings (~145MHz+ I believe) works consistently well. Mine is only 141MHz and hardly boots anything. My personal test is to boot Sega Rally, which used to work a few months ago but now only gets a white screen. Some people with faster SDRAM can boot the game fine.

[dawn moth]

I get white screens on sega rally and sega touring car

sega rally worked great a few versions ago

[rich grotto]

thanks for the input, tried a couple more games to see what's up and yeah i too white-screen for sega rally

[edgy hollow]

What game do you feel had the biggest change?

[drifting frigate]

I don't know what the Tenchi puyo game was like in the last build since I just tried it for the first time, but it feels perfect.

So if it wasn't working right, that's a huge improvement. The 3D elements of Sonic Jam are fixed, so it looks great.

[zinc vine]

dracula x nicturne extended 1.5 doesnt work anymore

stuck at caching data...

[polar geode]

It boots for me, but has no sfx and the music isnt fixed

[zinc vine]

dualram

[polar geode]

single

[zinc vine]

it was working on old core

[zinc vine]

fix it

[burnt matrix]

use old core

[polar geode]

Progress with cores is sometimes like this

[sudden tusk]

Iron storm still fubar

Nvm Daytona just takes a minute to load for me

Works fine music and everything

[tiny flare]

ooh, I'll need to check that out, that's exciting. Single or dual ram?

[still maple]

Is the CRT display still off center with today's exciting update?

[burnt matrix]

@winter phoenix Bulk Slash is looking awesome with the latest core update!

[drifting frigate]

"I'm here to help!"

Such a good game.

[sudden tusk]

Single

[sudden tusk]

Yeah but I can deal

Some games have options to adjust the screen , most capcom fighters do at least

Always a good idea to check

[winter phoenix]

You’ll have to let me know how Stellar Assault SS does on it … maybe wait a couple days, though 😉

[drifting frigate]

I still can't get that to load

[drifting frigate]

Did Salamander and LifeForce play off of the Salamander collection before? I've never tried them. Salamander 2 still doesn't load, but 1 and LF do.

[halcyon mica]

single or dual ram?

maybe I need to source another version of the cd

[old pasture]

Single

I'm on my way home, so I'm gonna update the core and try out a few things

[halcyon mica]

Interesting, so it could work with mine as well. Just redownloaded the redump cd image, and 1.01 japanese bios, but still no luck. Other games start fine, but Cotton 2 simply goes from the Sega logo to black screen.

same with the english patched bin/cue, hm

[mortal mist]

I already stopped worrying about it, I suggest you wait until core matures more, there is nothing to expect stability 100% , core is in alpha stage

I understand that everyone would like to play their favorite Saturn games, it's fun to see how such games work, which ones launch, etc.

But here everything changes so dynamically , that there is nothing to suggest the results of other people, for me also once something works and once not.

[halcyon mica]

I was not really aware that the variance between installations was so large

was hoping I was doing something wrong, as the game has been noted to run for a long time

[mortal mist]

This list of games was intended only for information on which games run and which do not, at the moment there is so much disparate information that I do not see the point of suggesting it

I think that when the core is more stable in many aspects, such a list will make sense

[halcyon mica]

maybe someone could un-pin the list then?

[mortal mist]

Or add information about this problem before anyone starts suggesting results from this sheet

With the previous core works for me Sega Rally , with the current one does not work, this will probably change from time to time. Soon someone will write , that it works, neverendig story 😉

But I'm aware that it's an alpha from the very beginning, I don't see this as a problem

[mortal mist]

That's right 🙂

[sharp dove]

Huh, new update?

Time to see if I can boot Parodius DA with working visual output...

[sharp dove]

---

Nope, still no dice! What on earth is making this one be this problematic?

(Single RAM Build)

At least I can play Detana! Twinbee Yahhoo DX Pack

[old pasture]

@halcyon mica just tried cotton 2 the translated version. It runs fine, but the music stops and sound effects appear from time to time.
Right I better get some sleep now.
Happy testing.

[shadow merlin]

I know it doesn't help your situation, but it does boot properly for me

[halcyon mica]

Parodius DA! boots, but once you start playing the game, the output flickers and stays black (for me on my MiSTer, so I guess this is what @sharp dove meant)

[shadow merlin]

I played a couple of minutes of it and it seemed fine. I'll give it another go later and see if it flickers

[sharp dove]

Yep, that exactly

I've heard it seems to show proper output to others but idk what the factors to that might be

[sharp dove]

What MiSTER-setup are you having?

[tall radish]

try using the multinorm 1.01 bios

[shadow merlin]

Dual ram 2.9. region free 1.01 bios

[sharp dove]

Huuh

Guessing it's not working on Single-RAM rn?

Might try the region-free bios quick

[halcyon mica]

Using Sega Saturn BIOS v1.01 (1995)(Sega)(JP)(M6) - is that not the multinorm one?

tried the region-free hacked BIOS just for fun, same problems with cotton 2 and parodius da! ...

[sharp dove]

Aww dang

[tall radish]

That one yes

[shadow merlin]

Parodius Da on single and dual ram seems to be running ok here. Video shows single ram

[sharp dove]

Huh... wonder what gives then

Wait, wait

That's Gokujyo Parodius - that works for me

Try the other game during the title screen though

[naive whale]

today's thumbnail lol

[sharp dove]

[shadow merlin]

I tried that one as well and it works fine on the european version. Just retested it on Japanese to make sure so I left it for a bit on the title screen and it started eventually started flickering

I don't speak Japanese and am not familiar with the game so I just tried everything

[burnt matrix]

It’s not variance, it’s normal part of development. Sometimes things break as part of progress.

[naive whale]

ill break you

[burnt matrix]

your videos already did

[burnt matrix]

“look at all these cool games I want to buy”

Is what I say when I watch your videos

[naive whale]

lol I have no idea why I decided to go Drago this morning

[burnt matrix]

That’s the goal every morning

[naive whale]

lol dont be like me

I just did a video about "why I LOVE and HATE arcade collecting" talking about the struggle just to make ONE BOARD work...took a year

all that shit to get ONE thing running

[lusty rapids]

@naive whale do you own a pinball machine?

[naive whale]

no. I suck at pinball

[lusty rapids]

maybe that sort of masochism would be up your alley

[naive whale]

I have a pachinko machine though I restored