Sega Saturn

[burnt matrix]

#unstable-nightlies message

If there’s a new build you’ll find it in #unstable-nightlies.

[harsh dew]

thanks!!

[patent ingot]

One of my fav Saturn games. Hyper duel!

[rapid chasm]

costs a damn fortune now

someone saw a copy for like 20k yen

[west quail]

Is there a beta core available to non patreons?

[mortal mist]

Pre alpha core

Check unstable nightlies

#unstable-nightlies message

[silver cloak]

Goodness, now I'm starting to get a bit nervous for srg's safety

What was the largest gap between builds before the 12/1 build?

[warped cliff]

not sure, but in any case srg320 isn't the one compiling and uploading saturn builds. what you probably want to look at is the commit history on his github

The largest gap before 12/1 seems to be between June and July 2022

it's an unfortunate fact, that he stated himself on his own twitter, that no one there is safe. All we can really do is wish for his wellbeing

[bitter vector]

Hi. I've yet to test said core as I normally wait until these things become public. Would anybody who has been testing this whole time tell me please how well or not it's working with Sega Rally. Thank you.

[mortal mist]

Sega Rally works well ,but with audio issues

[wooden dew]

He liked a tweet just before the new year, he's still around. The christmas season goes to Jan 6th in orthodox church, so it's consistent with him being busy with family

[silver cloak]

Ah that’s true

[vague falcon]

For some reason I can't get the saturn core to load games. I've tried different .rbf releases, different saturn bios files, different versions of the roms themselves. I get the bios spaceship to come up but nothing happens when I select .cue files. Anyone experience this?

[stiff patrol]

games should be in a directory per game

Bin/cues from the redump sets

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aEDkDFZpoVQyrhxYiHS7P6Cq7fW4vKotVCgWeXBTpHw/edit

is the pinned FAQ

[burnt matrix]

JP gun?

[drifting frigate]

Sick Shooter!

[tiny flare]

Very nice

Sounds like the core doesn’t have support yet, but I’m digging out my CRT from my parent’s place and I’ve got a SNAC adapter on the way so hopefully I’ll be able to use mine on MiSTer at some point in the future

[burnt matrix]

I pulled my Saturn out of the closet. I have no idea what I own

But apparently I am a shoot ‘em up fan

I don’t know why I own a Saturn lmao

@winter phoenix are you proud of me ^

[winter phoenix]

Holy shit, you’re just casually sitting on a royal throne of Saturn games! 😳

PDS, Magic Knight Rayearth, Radiant Silvergun, like these games should be in a thick safe, not just chillin’ on your carpet 😆

[burnt matrix]

Yeah there’s a buncha other stuff in here, I think I’ve got all the fighting games

Why is this in my closet?

I don’t know!

[severe relic]

Just set up the Saturn core for the first time and I’m running into a video issue. I have my mister plugged into my PVM over RGB and it’s running fine but the image is skewed to the left. Below are two pictures one normal and the other with underscan turned on. I haven’t noticed this in any other core. Is this just a quirk for now or is there a fix?

[winter phoenix]

All the fighting games? All of them?

[stiff patrol]

It oks you can come out of the closet !

[winter phoenix]

Show me your copy of Savaki 😆

[burnt matrix]

Oh ok yeah not all of them lol, I don’t even know what that is

[winter phoenix]

Okay haha

[burnt matrix]

I put it away along with the binder

I didn’t know I was a Saturn fan all this time

[winter phoenix]

That poor Saturn, those poor games. They just want to be played, to be loved

[burnt matrix]

LOL

I should play Magic Knight

[winter phoenix]

Maybe you murdered a Saturn fan and stole their stuff but blanked out while doing it, so you have no recollection…

[burnt matrix]

Nah, I’m gonna play Bug!

Bug! Is better than most Saturn games I’ve come to learn

It’s really timeless

[winter phoenix]

Yeah clearly better than that beautiful copy of Cotton 2 over there that I’d cry tears of joy over if I even got to lay eyes on it in person let alone own it

[burnt matrix]

LOL I also got Boomerang too, I genuinely don’t remember why I have this

I would’ve been talking to you about Saturn years ago

I just found it today

I don’t even own bug fml

I need to fix this

[winter phoenix]

BRUH

You’re sitting on games that are individually worth hundreds of dollars each but you don’t have a $10 copy of Bug 😆😆😆

[burnt matrix]

LOL

[winter phoenix]

I actually do own Bug. I’ve only bought cheap Saturn games

[burnt matrix]

I want to buy Virtual Hydlide too

[tiny flare]

Sadly all of my games are PAL

[winter phoenix]

Oh you should. No reason not to own the greatest game ever made

[burnt matrix]

Why didn’t you ever tell me the Saturn is so cool @winter phoenix ?

[winter phoenix]

Don’t you put this on me! LoL

[mortal mist]

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[severe relic]

Assumed so, thanks for the confirmation

[naive whale]

Self flagellating behavior

[burnt matrix]

Yeah probably, it’s a meme game.

[tall radish]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-knight-rayearth-mkr-umi-umi-ryuuzaki-marina-gif-17252963

[drifting frigate]

That one plays great on the core, btw. Do you have the stickers still @burnt matrix ?

(Specifically for MKR)

[burnt matrix]

NOPE, just discs lol

I have this mysterious binder full of Saturn games

I didn’t know I had until today

But it doesn’t contain Bug! so I might as well throw it away

[drifting frigate]

GARBAGE

Be sure to tie a copy of Little Samson to it to weigh it down when you toss it into the ocean.

[pearl harbor]

Ohhh I do! I do! Love Magic Knight Rayearth. Still have my original copy in like new condition. Including the stickers!

[drifting frigate]

My brother JUST sold his last year. I will say this. More RPG style games need jump. Even if it doesn't do anything.

So that makes me love it instantly.

[naive perch]

which folder do we make for saturn ?

(games)

just Saturn ?

[drifting frigate]

For games, yes.

And your bios drop in there as well.

And getting ahead of it, no CHD isn't supported yet. Hehe.

[naive perch]

mmm akk the games i load up

end up showing like an MP3 playing

or a song

they all cue

[drifting frigate]

It defaults to JP bios.

If you're playing US games, swap to USA and it should load.

Or EU or whatever the ISOs you have are.

SOME packs out there also have the wrong header on some ISOs so I've had to use JP for a US game and EU for a US game a couple times.

[naive perch]

ok maybe its just the game compatibility

was trying to get batsugun

[drifting frigate]

Do you get the Saturn S on the first bubble?

[naive perch]

and radiant silvergun

[drifting frigate]

After it loads?

[naive perch]

yes

haha,,,

[drifting frigate]

OK, hitting that should try to launch it and give you the Sega logo. If that's not working the game may not be compatible.

[naive perch]

im an idiot

[drifting frigate]

There's a list pinned above.

[naive perch]

ok all g it loads up

[drifting frigate]

Sweet!

[naive perch]

the crt aspect is lil bit off

[drifting frigate]

Yep

Left shifted.

[naive perch]

is that something that i can change ? or at m like that

[drifting frigate]

It's like that right now.

Pre alpha.

Hehe.

[naive perch]

all good will play on hdmi if it looks hwioole there

whole *

[drifting frigate]

I can see the whole screen on my BVM, but it's a BVM. So I can see overscan.

But HDMI does work, though is still offset.

[naive perch]

its ok still runs the game quite well for alpha

[drifting frigate]

Yep! Anything requiring a ram expansion is off the table and sound is almost universally not quite right. Some games are excellent, some are silent, some are in the middle. A few are just existential screaming and noise.

But ... it's technomancy for sure.

[naive perch]

hahaha i can imagine

but its good thing we all get to see this project grow

one of the reasons i got the mister, was hoping to do that for CPS3

[sudden trench]

https://youtu.be/OgNuDLk7xnI

[drifting frigate]

Greendog > Bug!??

[west quail]

Hi If I want to play US Saturn games will the Hitachi Hi-Saturn 1.03 Japan bios be ok or do I need the US bios 1.01a?

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_MiSTer#compatible-bios

[west quail]

I just looked there and got those bios details. I was asking if you have to use the US Bios? I assume you do.

[mortal mist]

If you have a compatible bios then you select the region in the menu, that's it

[west quail]

I didn't see where the games are loaded from, will a "Saturn" folder suffice in the Games directory on the Mister?

[mortal mist]

Yes , games/saturn

[west quail]

Nice one

So I just put both US and Jap bios in that folder right?

[mortal mist]

No

One bios

you choose the region from the menu

It doesn't matter what region the bios is from

Rename bios to boot.rom

[west quail]

Thank you

[west quail]

Ok so I renamed the bios and copied over some single folder directory games, but when loading the bin files I just get a black screen. Games tested were Galactic Attack, Cotton 2 and VC2. Is my setup wrong or is this normal behaviour?

Funny enough it plays the track files ok.

Just read the working game list and these should work.

Has anyone experienced the black screen when loading games? Any insight? Thanks in advance.

[west quail]

Worked it out by setting the CD tray and then loading a disk and starting the application.

[burnt matrix]

@drifting frigate / @pearl harbor Magic Knight Rayearth a good RPG even if you know nothing about the cartoon?

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, it's a really fun action RPG.

[burnt matrix]

Ohhhh action RPG, damn I can’t wait for saves to work.

[west quail]

How do you play games with multiple cds?

[drifting frigate]

I think so, yeah.

[pearl harbor]

It's similar to something like a Secret of Mana or Zelda. Slower paced action.

[burnt matrix]

Probably put them all in the same folder.

[naive whale]

Starting a long list of more Saturn tests. As always lmk if you want to see something I haven’t tried yet

[drifting frigate]

Have the GameSack test demands started pouring in yet?

He showed a ton of 'works without, but can use an expansion card' games and when I was watching it I thought 'I wonder if VGE is going to have to do a new vid now.'

[sudden trench]

Ram expansion will probably get support

MPEG may not

[drifting frigate]

Yeah, that's how I saw it playing out.

What's the max speed of the I/O port? I have no idea where the decoder lives on the bus, but I think SVCD was sub 1 mbps.
If it's in the right place in the chain, I wonder if a pi solution for decoding could be janked onto the user port.

I doubt it though.

[stoic umbra]

is the latest build you people have Saturn_20221201

[mortal mist]

Yes

[stiff patrol]

Tier 10 Patreons have one from Yesterday. Only $5000 a month too

[mortal mist]

The core of the first of December is the last

You can always check on github

[stoic umbra]

from unstable nights and from gethub. it's probably the same one.

[mortal mist]

Yes , same

[pearl harbor]

For a second there I thought there was a new build! The troll!

[stoic umbra]

give it time.

[burnt matrix]

if you think about it, time is an illusion. we're both playing the final core and beta core at the same time in the grand scheme of things

[stoic umbra]

glad they got saturn running at all. With 1 ram as well.
I plan on getting the duel ram io. Just waiting a bit. by then there will be a some other options.
I shouldn't make a big deal really. I don't have a crt anymore.

[pearl harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[drifting frigate]

A man walks into Abar.

[clear condor]

guy walks into a Buddhist sandwich shop and says ||make me one with everything||

[drifting frigate]

He hands the clerk a 20. The clerk takes it and does nothing. "Where is my change?" the Buddhist asks. "Change comes from within," replies the clerk.

[wraith echo]

Is it technically feasible?

Between that and the MPEG card, I see more to be gained from the former.

Having said that, a lot of the titles that use RAM carts are probably best on the other cores.

[unkempt oar]

Not necessarily. The Capcom fighters are mostly indiscernible from the CPS2 core as far as performance but do have extra options. I'd say it's best to play the SNK games on the Neo Geo core though. Unless you want CD music. Then there's Final Fight... Lol. No other version of that to play.

Also the best version of SF Zero 3 is on the Saturn with the cart.

[sudden tusk]

Lol ok professor

https://tenor.com/view/dr-manhattan-watchmen-dc-comics-zack-snyder-gif-17801319

If I’m already playing Saturn in the future than how come it doesn’t feel like I am .genius ?

[sudden tusk]

Even better than the Dreamcast version

[burnt matrix]

ok dumb question, wouldn’t it be the arcade one?

[sudden tusk]

Normally yea but the console version has extra characters not featured in the arcade game ..

Alpha 3 Fei Long is awesome and so is guile

[burnt matrix]

Oh that’s cool

Is it basically arcade perfect + extra characters?

[sudden tusk]

That tends to be the general consensus .. and I agree ..

Even the psx version of alpha 3 isn’t bad .. it’s not as good as the Saturn version but it’s very playable

[burnt matrix]

Yeah that’s what I grew up playing

[sudden tusk]

Same

I had no clue about the Saturn version until way later in life lol

[burnt matrix]

Man the Saturn version sounds so awesome

I must really be enjoying it in the future

[unkempt oar]

You saying the arcade version should be best? Is that you question?

NVM. I see it was answered

[sudden tusk]

I was on the case !

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, I meant should as an general assumption not knowing the benefits of the Saturn one. Why I prefaced it as “dumb question” since I was making that stipulation from ignorance.

[unkempt oar]

Not a dumb question.

[cunning citrus]

Capcom did a great job and genius move by using polys for some effects on Alpha/Zero 3 PS1 port.

[sudden tusk]

Like when you get hit ?^

Yeah I dig that too

[unkempt oar]

It's not like the Saturn version of Zero 3 is widespread

They had to because not much RAM right?

[burnt matrix]

Ohhhhh that is smart

[burnt matrix]

Ah thanks, appreciate that

[unkempt oar]

Then there's the PS1 version of the vs games.... Lol

Those are a slide show

[sudden tusk]

They can be fun in a “wtf?” Sort of way

[sudden tusk]

And no mid match tagging

[cunning citrus]

Sony fan boy: "bUt wE hAd MaRvEl Vs CapCoM oN pS1"

[unkempt oar]

I was working at GameStop back when it came out. I was also into importing games. So when the PS1 version of X-Men vs Street Fighter came out I'd play my Saturn version on the TVs just to screw with hardcore PS1 people.

Eventually GameStop started selling import Saturn games. Not sure if anyone here remembers that or was around for it.

[cunning citrus]

It was possible, kinda. Xmen vs street it was hidden behind a cheat code iirc. With later games they implemented better with a mode, so each player chooses one character and the game uses the opponent choosen character as your second fighter.

[unkempt oar]

Yeah.

It's what they had to do. I give them credit for a workaround

I just wish SNK had opted to use the 4m cart. Their ports could have been so much better.

I still played the hell out of KoF 96/97 and Samurai Showdown 4 though.

[burnt matrix]

Why did they make a 4mb ram cart?

Was it specifically for these games or was it like the N64 where it was originally designed to be used for the 64DD and developers repurposed it for original games?

[unkempt oar]

Capcom wanted to have arcade perfect ports

And it was open for other developers to utilize

[burnt matrix]

Oh wow so it was Capcom who drove it? Very cool.

[unkempt oar]

SNK did it first with a KoF 95 ROM cart... Or was the Ultraman fighter first? I can't recall

But then Capcom went bigger. Eventually SNK switched to a 1mb RAM cart.

[frank crater]

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[dense kernel]

Any news from Sergey? Don't care much about the core atm. Hope he is safe right now.

[thorn pagoda]

he liked someones tweet on newyears iirc

[west quail]

Does anyone know which Sega rally version is best? Sega plus Jap or Sega plus Netlink US?

[clear condor]

||Model 2||

[stiff patrol]

or whatever feels best for you. If you like it play it and screw worrying about what is "Best"

[unkempt oar]

I think it's the Japan version overall. But I don't think it's as different as the Daytona releases.

[west quail]

Things like framerate or enhancements are important to me, so I like to know these things. Each to their own 🙂

[west quail]

Thanks.

[west quail]

I was wondering if there is a dual ram core available to test for non patreons?

[mortal mist]

yes, single and dual are availbe for everyone

#unstable-nightlies message

each new core is available on github after logging in, and here in unstable nightlies

[west quail]

I can never seem to find the build files on his github page, is there another repository?

[mortal mist]

https://github.com/srg320/Saturn_MiSTer#test-builds

[west quail]

you said after logging in

[mortal mist]

yes

you choose here

[west quail]

It helps when you scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page 🤦‍♂️

I was being blind, apologies, but thank you.

[west quail]

Loaded the dual core and when loading into the cd menu I just get a green screen. Anyone experienced this?

[mortal mist]

no , but you have two sdramas ? 😄

[west quail]

Yes of course otherwise I wouldnt have tried it 😛

Digi board and 128mb

[mortal mist]

just making sure you have everything set up right 🙂

did you check if psx core dualsdram works ok ?

[west quail]

I followed this guide when I first connected it all together. I haven't tried PSX dual no.

I have 1 ram stick sitting on the digi board which is 128mb. I couldnt see how I would have another ram module fit in the case.

[mortal mist]

i don't understand

since you only have one 128 ram then the dualsdram version will not work

[wraith echo]

I also don't understand how you can't fit a second RAM module.

[west quail]

What size ram model can you use, x2 128mb?

[mortal mist]

here is digital with two sdrams

unless you have the standard version analog i/o

then you can't add a second sdram

[west quail]

I clearly misunderstood this 128mb ram module, thinking it was enough for dual ram. How much Ram do you need?

[lusty rapids]

dual ram = two sticks

you have one stick

[mortal mist]

yeah

[west quail]

so whats the ram stick sizes?

[mortal mist]

standard

you have one

[lusty rapids]

it's not about size it's about what you do with the sticks. Dual ram is a thing to do to bandwidth from what I understand

[west quail]

Right so I thought if you had 2 sticks of 64, it would be the same as one stick of 128mb like a PC

[mortal mist]

nope

you need second sdram

32-128mb

[lusty rapids]

that's not even how PCs work 64x2 has different perf characteristics than 128x1 in modern PCs

[west quail]

would there be any benefit to having 2x 128?

[mortal mist]

for now no

[west quail]

ever?

[lusty rapids]

ever? maybe! the future is limitless

[west quail]

lol

[mortal mist]

I do not know what the future will bring, the goal is always to make it work on 1

[west quail]

Just dont want to spend double

[lusty rapids]

well since it looks like you have a digital i/o board, you have an open slot for a second stick

you can always just wait and see

[mortal mist]

exactly 🙂

as for me there is no point in investing in a second sdram at the moment, saturn core does not work better, at least I do not feel it, even as a few games at the moment work better

this core is an early alpha , no one knows what will be

[west quail]

Yeah I must of had my silly hat on when I was putting it together, but I am sure I tried to fit it on the other side. Anyway an upgrade is possible hence buying the digi board.

What a madness, I need more coffee lol.

[acoustic sable]

An option, if you want to spend little and still play with dual ram cores, is to get a 32meg second ram stick. As mentioned above dual ram is all about bandwidth, not quantity; the presence of a second physical stick allows more data flow per second.

[west quail]

Thanks Jaimie, yes its an option, but like the guys said there doesn't seem to be much point at this stage if performance improvements are little.

[sudden trench]

#1055574003810578503

[acoustic sable]

👆 The only reason to use dual ram currently

[stiff patrol]

Also Saturn

Saturn compatibility is better

and its never been stated by SRG that single ram is what he is aiming for

[mortal mist]

not really

[stiff patrol]

more games work under dual ram

than single ram

[mortal mist]

I'm testing on two and one

[stiff patrol]

its all about having the speed

dual 2.9 is best

[mortal mist]

Name me all the games that work on two and don't work on one

🙂

[stiff patrol]

since 2.9 clock higher

see the spreadsheet

[mortal mist]

don't have to I know

[stiff patrol]

Doom for instance had better music dual than single

and better again when I swapped the 2.9 to be prime

and moved my 2.5 to secondary

so currently dual ram is useful and in the future may be useful again

[mortal mist]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j7x_uX7WLA60dgOlvGVqqSdf1Gez8-rXN2MBJS7ThA8/edit#gid=0

ok so how many games works better ?

[west quail]

I thought dual ram runs at the slowest module or am I talking crap?

[stiff patrol]

The second

Dual ram works by providing bandwidth

[mortal mist]

if it's 5 - 10 games then I still don't see the point

[stiff patrol]

the sticks run at the max they can support

[acoustic sable]

... I'm gonna need a hardware dev to weigh in on that statement

[stiff patrol]

when my 2.9 which clocks at 150 + I got better result than having a 2.5 at 143

[west quail]

Out of interest what slot is mine prime or secondary?

[stiff patrol]

So Saturn currently has an advantage

maybe not huge but it has one

[sudden trench]

Jamie is running them SLI

[stiff patrol]

if you have one it has to be primary

as it cant run at all if you dont have primary fitted

[west quail]

I thought you meant the inputs either side of the board

[stiff patrol]

yesa

primary and secondary

[west quail]

so it one labelled prim?

[stiff patrol]

but the Mister wont have any memory expansion if you only populate the secondary

no

there is no label

if you only plug into secondary you simply dont get any expansion memory

They have to be fitted Primary then secondary and secondary is only seen by dual ram cores

[west quail]

So with one module it doesn't matter what side I plug it in? Is that what you are saying?

[stiff patrol]

no

With 1 it has to be primary

or you get no memory expansion at all

[west quail]

ok so I must have it in the primary

[stiff patrol]

which is what I said

[west quail]

Yep, but you are talking to me lol.

[stiff patrol]

dual ram makes it easier to develop high bandwidth cores

if more people had it then devs could stop trying to force their cores to work on only 1

[west quail]

I guess it might always be 2 separate cores.

[stiff patrol]

not for certain

Its up to the dev

if they cant get it to work single then it cant work single

Its just currently Robert and SRG320 are wizards and are making high bandwidth cores work on a single stick

even then the Saturn hates the 4 chip non standard Memory expansions

[west quail]

This shit blows me away

[stiff patrol]

Its amazing how the PSX core works in single stick

although to do so does mean more of the FPGA is taken up

if single was dropped there would be more room for other things in the PSX core

[west quail]

So why are the devs so focused on 1 stick if there is a clear advantage for using 2? They must just love a challenge.

[stiff patrol]

becasuse the CRT brigade would scream murder

[west quail]

lol

[stiff patrol]

they need analog IO to use CRT

[mortal mist]

yeah , CRT

[stiff patrol]

and that cant be dual ram

also the number of dual owners is small

so the devs want to have their cores played by the most people

[visual grove]

Haha, eat it! CRT forever!

[west quail]

I bought an arcooda last year because I didn't want a fat heavy screen taking up space and want to mount it like a bartop at some point.

[visual grove]

Nah it’s because 90%+ of setups out there are single and Robert said he didn’t want to spend all the time making a core that wouldn’t get widespread use

[west quail]

Yeah that is sound

[sudden trench]

And yet, Lynx

[visual grove]

Hey we all used it that one time…

[wraith echo]

Don't forget about Direct Video.

[west quail]

hdmi to vga to scart

[west quail]

Have you tested the PSX dual ram core? Not sure what can use it at the moment.

[sudden trench]

everything

[lusty rapids]

I use the PSX dual ram core, but I will tell you what you're missing is inperceptible

but A5's argument isn't what it can do but theoretically what it could do if it wasn't limited to 1 stick, however I'm not sure we actually have evidence for the coulds here

[sudden trench]

It would be easier to convince him to work on features if there was room for them 🙂

[west quail]

What additional features could be feasible with a second module, speaking hypothetically of course.

[mortal mist]

@red ridge help! 🙂

[west quail]

😆

[red ridge]

honestly, i don't know what the saturn even can do, let alone what addiotional things would be possible

[mortal mist]

We are considering what benefits can come from using a second sdram

no, with psx core

🙂

[red ridge]

oh, i see

[mortal mist]

let's say that we abandon support for one sdram and only use two

[red ridge]

psx core is missing logic space, not memory mostly

[mortal mist]

so not much more can be done at the moment with the fpga we have , even with dualsdram ?

[red ridge]

i can't see anything where second sdram would be useful, that doesn't require lagre amounts of logic

my "most wanted" feature would be 240p -> 480p rendering, but that would require roughly 6 - 10.000 more ALM, which brings us to 120-130% logic usage 😦

[mortal mist]

ouch, i see

Thank You for the clarification

[sudden trench]

dual fpga

[west quail]

Very insightful.

[red ridge]

connecting a second de10-nano for the GPU would be possible, but who really wants that?

i do not

[mortal mist]

me 😛

[west quail]

Why would you there be a need to render 240p to 480p?

[mortal mist]

just kidding 😉

[red ridge]

there is no "need", but having 4 times as much pixels would give a "better" image obviously

especially for the 3D games i mostly play on the system

[west quail]

so upscale the 2d elements?

[red ridge]

2d would just double the pixels in each direction and keep the old quality, only 3D would improve

[burnt matrix]

Well it can render polygons as quads and it can play Virtual Hydlide, a seminal classic.

Kinda all there is too it on the Saturn. Also Bug!

[tall radish]

I’ve never had a chance to try virtual hydlide and I see people saying it’s bad and people saying it’s good and sometimes both in the same sentence. Is it like the Saturn’s equivalent to Bebe’s Kids?

[noble escarp]

Virtual hydlide

[visual grove]

There you go folks, PSX has all the features it can handle. #StopCRTHate.

#StartCRTTATE

[mortal mist]

#crtLove

[winter phoenix]

it's Robby's running joke. It's an ambitious early Saturn game that runs like traaaaash

(they tried to make a 32-bit open world RPG using an engine designed for a golf game)

[mortal mist]

it all depends on your tastes

@burnt matrix loves Virtual Hydlide, he has posters, 10 copies of the games etc, let's not take away his happiness 🙂

[glossy vigil]

He also loves Bug. It is so.

[mortal mist]

true true

[glossy vigil]

That said, I do remember being blown away by that game the first time I saw it.

[red ridge]

i must say, i was a little bit excited when i heard open world RPG. Even the still images looked promissing. The live footage...well...maybe hard to join in today😅

[west quail]

What PS1 3d games ran at 240p?

[mortal mist]

Most of games are 240p

[red ridge]

apart from like 10 3D games or so, everything is 240p

[west quail]

Ah I see, didn't realise, I thought they ran at a higher res like Tekken 3 etc.

[mortal mist]

Some are mixed 240/480i

[burnt matrix]

THE SATURN IS SO COOL

[stiff patrol]

well it is a long way from the Sun

[burnt matrix]

lmao, can’t top that

[sharp comet]

someone should have named their console of the era Titan, because it runs circles around saturn

[stiff patrol]

but its only got a dirty brown output

[prisma wraith]

Sega did this themselves with their arcade hardware at the time, ST-V (Sega Titan Video)

[sharp comet]

Yeah, Rhea doesn't pack the same punch I guess after they missed out on titan

[stiff patrol]

Hyperion is a good name

[lavish wadi]

I loved that LazerActive game! I know I’m in the tiny minority, but I wish that stuff came to emulation

[prisma wraith]

id love to see a lazeractive arcade core

[untold lintel]

Hell yeah

Mad dog mccree and who shot Johnny rock

[turbid ingot]

Hey @sharp comet Are you Near’s secret identity? You’re in everything/everywhere. Really talented!

[sharp comet]

I wish

but no

[turbid ingot]

Uh huh 😉

[bitter vector]

If you see @sudden trench 🙈

[turbid crescent]

@red ridge Do you think Dual SD could help achieving the PSX arcade boards? Or help on some cases due to clock speed?

I know this is the saturn core and such just saw the messages and it came to me.

[sudden trench]

What have I done now?

[burnt matrix]

I bought a thing

[tall radish]

fanceh

[burnt matrix]

The mess you see in the background are the Japanese newspapers stuffed in the box it came in.

[tall radish]

looks to be in great shape

[burnt matrix]

It was missing a screw, that’s the only fault I can find lol. I love buying stuff from Japan!

I probably should’ve gone with the mission stick but the heart wants what it wants lol

[tiny flare]

very nice, I've always wanted one

[drifting frigate]

VirtuaOn time!

[noble escarp]

Bulk Slash!

The translated version. It plays so well with the Twin Stick that it looks like the game was indeed developed to use it.

[visual grove]

How is the weight? I’ve thought of getting these or the DC ones a few times but I’m imagining the whole thing would move around because the base is little?

[burnt matrix]

It’s not very heavy so yeah, yanking it hard will move it

But I’d say it’s weight is pretty good, using it and feels weighty enough to stay still when using it normally

Glamour shot lol

[tiny flare]

sexy temjin render on the box

[burnt matrix]

omg Bulk Slash is awesome to play using the twin stick

[pine bobcat]

Are you using it with a real Saturn, or MiSTer via SNAC?
There's one of these at a Hard Off close by for about $20, but the box is shrinkwrapped so I can't see the condition
I generally use USB adapters with MiSTer though, don't have SNAC
Waiting for the Reflex from Pork

[burnt matrix]

Omg that’s a great price!

I have a real Saturn but it’s in my closet and I have SNAC for the MiSTer so I just use that.

[lusty rapids]

which hard off >_>

[pine bobcat]

Most likely way too far into the inaka for you 😛

[lusty rapids]

the inaka hard offs have the best stuff ;_;

Tokyo hard offs are almost pointless

[pine bobcat]

yeah, and it tends to just sit there, so I'm never in a rush to buy

[burnt matrix]

@pine bobcat for comparison I paid $70 USD, at least it came with free shipping haha

[lusty rapids]

"free" shipping, from Japan to the US?

baked into that 70 bukaroonies

but still not a bad price imo

[tiny flare]

I saw one a little while back that was $90 for the twin stick plus Virtual On, but no box, wasn't sure if it was worth it or not

[pine bobcat]

The problem here is more space, than price

[tiny flare]

although I kind of prefer things without the box, I have nowhere to store piles of cardboard...

[burnt matrix]

Ah yes very true, good point!

[lusty rapids]

boxes are wasted on me

I ain't got space for that shit

[burnt matrix]

Yeah same honestly lol

[sudden trench]

I like the twin sticks but VO also plays well with dual shock

[burnt matrix]

Probably LOL, my purchase wasn’t based on logic

Just making up for what I missed out I guess. The Saturn has such a varied library with genuinely stellar games.

Wish I paid more attention to it at the time.

[sudden trench]

did you beat up the Saturn kids before class?

[burnt matrix]

I didn’t have to, I just said “Final Fantasy 7 du fromage” and they just fainted

CALL BACK

[drifting frigate]

This meme is my favorite version of Moby Dick

[sharp comet]

who's this pi person, a troll?

[sudden trench]

it’s a meta troll

[lusty rapids]

the troliest troll we have

[burnt matrix]

lol

@sharp comet I’m sorry, was just trying to make y’all laugh with a silly joke

[sharp comet]

oh, it's just you

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, it’s why I said jail bars lol

[sharp comet]

jailbars have no place in my world

[edgy hollow]

Is a saturn mouse worth it on a real saturn?

Also hori stick or the more expensive sega stick? I will not mod either

[noble escarp]

Go for it! Works on saturn core with snac. Works across mister with usb adapter and it's also a great way to play Robotron!

[turbid crescent]

Surprisingly saturn games have more mouse support than ps1 games.

[mortal mist]

From what I remember there are about 100 games with mouse support for Psx , how many are for saturn ?

[wraith echo]

How many visual novel/adventure games are there?

[mortal mist]

don't know , never been interested in visual novel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Mouse

here is the list

I asked seriously , because I have never been interested in the subject of mouse for Saturn , but there are more than 100 of them on Saturn, I did not count exactly

https://segaretro.org/Shuttle_Mouse#List_of_supported_games

very nice

[noble escarp]

Just use an optical USB mouse, no?

[edgy hollow]

On a saturn, no converter afaik

[burnt matrix]

I love PS1 mouse!

Want to get a Saturn mouse too

[noble escarp]

But for mister...

[edgy hollow]

Robby is my ebay rival

For saturn shit

[burnt matrix]

No no, I don’t want to be your rival. You can have first digs.

[edgy hollow]

Annoyingly local courier fucked up my tein stick and sent ut back

Thankfully seller was understanding and i bought it again

[burnt matrix]

Dude that sucks, I’m sorry!

Also good to hear

[edgy hollow]

Yeah that one and hori stick

[burnt matrix]

We can be twin stick bros

[edgy hollow]

Hope saturn core can use 2 fight sticks for twin sticks though

Yeah i was horrified, like 2 days set as for delivery and then buyer refused like wtf

Like i already paid for it online

[burnt matrix]

Dude, please get a Mission Stick so I can live vicariously through you lol

I want one but so pricey!

[edgy hollow]

I got it with box

$35

[burnt matrix]

Awesome!!

Tell me if it’s worth the $110 asking price lol

[edgy hollow]

Saturn has a kinda broken lid button but bought it for the controller. Duck taped the switch but it unpresses once in a while

Sure, ask me on feb when i get my fenrir saturn

[burnt matrix]

Ah so cool

[edgy hollow]

So curious, how is the dual mission stick for that 1 game?

[burnt matrix]

For Virtual On?

[edgy hollow]

No panzer zwei

Only game that supports dual mission sticks

[burnt matrix]

Oh my bad LOL, I thought you meant twin stick

Also twin missions sticks? Wow

[edgy hollow]

Dualshock who?

[naive whale]

bout time to capture more Saturn tests

[noble escarp]

I've used two PC analog joysticks with mednafen (saturn emulator) since I don't own any mission stick to use on a real saturn. And it's not a good way to play the game. Still it's an interesting feature.

[naive whale]

I got a massive list of stuff I haven't tested. Looking forward to doing it (not looking forward to moving all the files lol)

[sage minnow]

apparently with blueretro you can use a bluetooth mouse and keyboard with saturn https://github.com/darthcloud/BlueRetro/wiki/BlueRetro-System-Specific-User-Manual#saturn (haven't tested this myself)

[turbid crescent]

Around 115, I think some ommissions on the PS1 side where the Saturn version had support like Warcraft 2, but I never tested it.

[edgy hollow]

Wow it even can act as 12 controllers on the saturn

And I just bought 2 multi taps

[noble escarp]

Blueretro is amazing! And yes it can emulate dual multitaps and also use mouse/keyboards. I've already said that it's amazing?

[plush jetty]

Did a little testing that may help expand the Google sheet a bit:

Shienryu does not run properly at all, really weird issue with ship scrolling in wrong direction

Saturn Bomberman seems to run well with US bios 1.01, just a little audio hiss here and there

I’m really impressed by how many games run well 🙂

[sharp comet]

mister saturn?

[wraith echo]

I find the interest in using a Saturn mouse and keyboard puzzling. I wouldn't expect a ball mouse in particular to be something anyone would want to go back to. Or am I wrong in that regard?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpgAJI0X4nA

Going by the shape, it looks like it would be pretty uncomfortable, especially for people who prefer high-hump mice like the Zowie ZA-13.

And there looks to be inadequate space on the sides for resting the thumb, pinky and ring finger.

[noble escarp]

People like to have the "original" experience. Even if it was a bad experience back in the day.

[wraith echo]

Yeah I know, but I would thought that this would be an area where people would draw the line.

Anyone who actually uses that mouse for extended periods of time, let me know.

[edgy hollow]

Wow house of the dead looks so bad on a saturn and it doesnt help the gun isnt great on my crt. Like 1.5 ft is the max before calibration is inaccurate

Hopefully guncon support is added at some point

[naive whale]

@undone oyster I am testing a bunch of Saturn shit today for capture including a lot of games that aren't on the spreadsheet at all. I will lyk what I find

or whoever is currently maintaining the spreadsheet

[undone oyster]

@naive whale thank you buddy, has there been a new build then?

[naive whale]

@undone oyster no just testing some deep cut stuff

[undone oyster]

Cool, let me know if there is anything that needs to be added 🙂 I been streaming a bit so I am little out of the MiSTer loop xD

[naive whale]

G Vector - not working

Gunbird - Working. REALLY WELL!

Independence Day - Workibng (bad audio)

Lupin the Third: Sage of the Pyramid - Working

[west quail]

Play it using the sega model 2 emulator and create a custom resolution in windows using 58hz, so it runs smooth. I use reshade as well to enhance the colours and image.

[clear condor]

You'd need a PC-compatible gun in that case

[naive whale]

Shienryu / Terra Diver - not working

Silhouette Mirage - Working

[stiff patrol]

I am busy deleting all the M2 prototypes on Twitch !

just doing D2 at the moment

[naive whale]

lol

Sonkyuu Gurentai - Works, mash start till gameplay starts

[naive whale]

Winter Heat - Working

freezes a lot though

thats all the stuff not on the list @undone oyster

[undone oyster]

thank you 🙂

[pearl harbor]

Interesting, Terra Driver works fine on my end. Just some audio issues, but otherwise looks and plays fine. It's always fascinating to see how testing differs between everyone.

Just tested it again to make sure I wasn't misremembering something, and yeah I made it well into the second stage just now without issue.

[naive whale]

its very odd. Maybe my start mashing was out of cadence. Maybe I just got unlucky

can you capture @pearl harbor I can include it as working if I have footage

[pearl harbor]

Sadly, my only means of capturing would be using my iPhone camera to record my screen. 😅

[naive whale]

haha fair enough. That wont quite cut it

[sharp comet]

there's no real expectation of consistency or reliability at this point from the wip code

[pearl harbor]

Yeah, a lot of people have different results.

[sharp comet]

ram and fpga minor differences are probably exacerbated at this point

[pearl harbor]

I'm still the only person I know that can get Grandia to work.

[sharp comet]

the ram, particularly in single-ram configurations, is being taxed past where it should

grandia works fine for me

I use dual ram though

[pearl harbor]

I'm on single ram.

[sharp comet]

im still a bit skeptical the core will ever work well with single ram, but we'll see what happens

certainly adding the 4mb ram cart seems from my point of view like it would be impossible with single ram

[pearl harbor]

But yeah, I love seeing how things play out differently for everyone at this early stage.

I'm probably forever stuck with single ram since I'm using a RetroCastle MiSTer.

[stiff patrol]

The core realy likes fast ram. So if you have issues you really need to also state what the Max speed in Memtest is for your ram

Also remember the 4 chip design isnt working well with Saturn

The official 2 chip design works better

[naive whale]

It’s a 2 chip. V2.9

[stiff patrol]

but what does it clock at

150 140 120 ?

[naive whale]

I’d have to check again

[plush jetty]

@undone oyster

[undone oyster]

Thank you will add all this soon, I am resting up from work right now

[plush jetty]

A few more for Saturn Testing:
Strikers 1945 hangs after selecting ship - not playable

MegaMan x4 (USA) wouldn't let me skip the opening video, but once I started it hung on the 2nd video

Radiant Silvergun hangs on a black screen on launch

Virtua Fighters Remix (USA) plays well but has some audio dropping out other audio issues

[pearl harbor]

Very different results for me on some of those.

Actually scratch that, I thought I had tested Strikers 1945, but apparently I haven't. Radiant Silvergun I can usually make it to the last boss of stage 1 and sometimes get into stage 2 before it crashes.

[plush jetty]

What bios are you using for RS? I know it’s annoying but tracking region of game and bios in the Sheet would be helpful 🙂

I’m on single RAM by the way

[pearl harbor]

I think I'm using the universal bios that was recommended to use. It's been awhile, so I'm not 100% sure.

[plush jetty]

Been doing most recent on JP (1.03?) and 1.01 on US

[mortal mist]

use multiregion bios, no need to change the region in the menu, works ok

[plush jetty]

Sweet, will try, thanks!

[naive whale]

Odd. I was able to play with zero issues

[mortal mist]

There is no expectation at this stage of core development that everything will work the same for everyone

[quaint dove]

Saw one of those old Sega Saturn USB PC controllers at a store today. Those good?

I don’t think it was the retro-bit one.

Grr maybe it was

[inner kayak]

What’s the game here at 2:56? https://youtu.be/5-sf1SAL0os

[tiny flare]

Mega Man X4?

[inner kayak]

Thanks!

[tiny flare]

sorry I should have clarified my question mark there, it was more just making sure that was the game you are asking about, I sometimes forget that not everybody can tell any game in the Mega Man series immediately from just a few short seconds of footage

also yeah if you are planning to check out X4 though I would definitely recommend the PS1 version, afaik there aren't many differences between the two besides the fact that the transparencies are properly blended on PS1 vs dithering on Saturn, so I would give PS1 the edge

I would also be very surprised if there are any problems at all playing the whole game through in the PSX MiSTer core currently, whereas obviously the Saturn core isn't quite 100% ready yet 😄

[wraith echo]

@inner kayak X4 has some great voice acting.

[inner kayak]

Do other games in that series have playable female characters? I know Tron Bonne does on PSX, but I always assumed the X series was all Mega Man

[wraith echo]

ZX has a playable female character. Check out the wikis to learn more.

[edgy hollow]

Zx and zx advent have female pro tag

She keeps saying "booty" in advent, zx girl is mostly same as boy

@burnt matrix, twin stick arrived and i suck at virtual on

[cloud idol]

sorry for a question for those who have been using the saturn core for a long time🙏

Is it normal that in a pvm / crt the saturn core is a bit displeased with the screen, especially on the right side? It is with the only core that happens to me😅

[wraith echo]

At this stage, yes, quite normal.

[cloud idol]

When I saw that I had the same problem in my pvm I assumed something like that but I didn't want to be left with the question of asking if it was perhaps something of a configuration, thank you very much🙏

[plush jetty]

Correction - Works great with uni bios

[plush jetty]

Correction - at least starts well (some sound issues) with uni bios

[dense kernel]

Wonder if should get one... 🤔 https://castlemaniagames.com/products/fenrir I don't think I will ever touch my Saturn when the core is stable.

[plush jetty]

Haha, I have one of the older versions in my Saturn. It’s awesome.

Expensive mod, but JP Saturns are pretty cheap on eBay

[drowsy hull]

oh, they are red now

[winter phoenix]

yeah, the new version of the Fenrir can hook up to both the 20-pin and 21-pin versions of the Saturn, you don't have to determine which Saturn you have and buy the correct model anymore. One model to rule them all. So to distinguish it, Ced made the new model red.

On the flip side, it's now more expensive

[drowsy hull]

did it ever do anything with the esp's wifi?

[ripe valley]

Ced' was working since 2021 on some PoC with the Fenrir for loading games through WiFi.

I don't know at the moment how far the WIP version goes.

EDIT ; https://www.fenrir-ode.fr/wifi.html#setup-wifi

[drowsy hull]

I think that one was already there with the very first releases

ah, should have scrolled up

[plucky sparrow]

Hello, I have a dumb question

[mortal mist]

There are no dumb questions, only stupid answers 😉

[plucky sparrow]

Is there a particular format that Saturn Images need to be in for the core? All of mine were ripped for my RHEA (it was a MASSIVE pain!) but I don't think they are working with the core.

[drowsy hull]

bin+cue

[plucky sparrow]

ugh, okay. I was afraid of that lol..

[drowsy hull]

I think Rhea used disc juggler?

[plucky sparrow]

Yeah

and I am using a Mac, so it added an additional layer of complexity to do all of that initially lol

Thank you

[sharp comet]

to be fair, that's rhea's fault

bin/cue is the de facto standard

and I also remember the pain of trying to convert everything for it

[edgy hollow]

Really depends if you are impatient. Personally, I was impatient. Of course the cheaper option is just get a 4 in 1 cart and burn CDs and replace the lens as needed

[tiny flare]

I’ve always thought about getting one, but IIRC you still need to do a mod for PAL saturns to get 60hz, so I figured I’ll just wait for the MiSTer core to be finished

[edgy hollow]

Yeah 60 hz mod varies too iirc

Annoyingly because I'm impatient, I now ended up ordering a retrotink 5x to handle resolution changes that OSSC can't handle well.
Have a saturn HDMI thing but it applies a vaseline effect

[delicate mantle]

Ordered the digital IO so I can get the snac running.

[tiny flare]

is SNAC support in the core yet, or do you need a special build still?

(I haven't tried yet because I still don't have saturn SNAC adaptor)

[delicate mantle]

I got the adapter in a couple weeks ago,

I'll find out in a couple days

All I really want is Radient Silvergun working so I can play it on my cocktail table build, will use the snac on my second mister that's not shoved into the table

I'm pretty happy with the micro center stick, had to add a 2nd USB adapter, to get 2 player working correctly.

I've got a extra piece of the resin panel to make a matching control panel, just haven't had time to figure out my layout.

[novel turret]

...Why does the Duo version of the Fenrir show up as $139.99 USD, while the single 20-pin or 21-pin versions show up as $169.99 USD? I'm not sure if that's an error or not

[edgy hollow]

It's merged into the core around December

[edgy hollow]

They're phased out, so probably harder to get

[novel turret]

Hmm...

I could understand the cheaper price if it's, say, become easier to produce for a lower cost or something. I just wanted to make sure that was indeed the actual price, since a comment up above described the Duo as being more expensive. hmm

[edgy hollow]

I mean the official price of duo is 110 euro, which is around $120 + tax + shipping from the main store

which ships fast based on what I read on the subreddit

Will get my saturn with fenrir duo in 2 weeks

[tiny flare]

nice, keen to try it at some point once I have all the hardware I need

[inner token]

no snac wasn't added, it was virtual controllers that was added.

snac code needs changed to work with that. but saturn isn't even in the mister repo yet so no real hurry.

[sudden mango]

I added an extra stick of ram to my second MiSTer (my first one is out of commission due to this :V), lets see what Saturn is all about

[sudden mango]

I've never owned a Saturn! What would be a good shmup for me to start with (aside from DoDonPachi)?

[novel turret]

Haven't played the Saturn version myself, but I really like Twinkle Star Sprites a ton

[untold lintel]

Radiant Silvergun

[acoustic sable]

Sexy Parodius

[winter phoenix]

Galactic Attack (aka Layer Section in Japan). Battle Garegga. Cotton 2 (has an English patch!). Game Tengoku.

(I don't know how well any of those run on the MiSTer core, mind you)

[acoustic sable]

Oh, I missed the cotton 2 patch, thanks!

[sudden mango]

Is it expected for music to cut out in every game?

[mortal mist]

I think yes 🙂

I test games with one and two sdrams and there is always some kind of sound problem

Pre alpha core

[sudden trench]

Radiant Silvergun is my favorite shooter of all time but Layer Section is a lot more accessible

[mortal mist]

Radiant is great ♥️

[winter phoenix]

yeah, Radiant Silvergun is pretty tough. and dense, mechanically. Galactic Attack/Layer Section can be jumped into pretty easily

[mortal mist]

Guardian Heroes is rock solid for me

I finished the whole game

[sudden mango]

I'm downloading it

I like the Cotton games but the music cuts out sadly

Seems to be a CD audio thing

Going game over in Cotton boomerang restores music for a while

Nah it's not that

[mortal mist]

Don't worry is realy early alpha stage

[steel sparrow]

I am having trouble getting any game to boot at the moment - I'm only testing a couple to begin but heres the breakdown of whats happening so far,
-Followed most of the instructions
-boot.rom appears correct and in right dir
-boots to saturn os
-converted chd to bin/cue
-can see and load bin or cue
But the disk doesnt load. It will either be black screen, or it not load the bin directly, the cue ill sometimes boot back into the cd playback app. The games im trying is diehard, discworld, and dark saviour - but im only trying to get it to load up for later when things are more stable. I am aware its unstable build for now, but these were also showing as working at the moment as far as booting goes from the compat chart

[cunning citrus]

Did you put the game's bin/cue inside its own folder inside games/Sega Saturn folder?

[steel sparrow]

negative. I did put them in the same "TESTING" folder

So each should be in its own dir

[cunning citrus]

The core will load when selecting the folder.

[steel sparrow]

you know what - they have those instructions for a reason... did say game disc unsuitable error! but i did see the folder loaded the rom, cool thank you i will see if i can figure out whats up next

[sharp comet]

the first thing to check is the ram

the core requires 128mb, and ram from a few sellers, mostly Antonio Villena, don't work with the core

secondly double check the bios is correct, I know you have it there but it's worth double checking

third, try to get an image that's verified to work just to rule out any kinds of problems there, make sure you're not in text mode if transferring via ftp/filezilla

[steel sparrow]

Ok, thanks. I am using cifs mount actually - will that not work? I am getting the Disc to load~~ as audio - but it doesnt want to boot to game. Like certain tracks playback sound fx.. hm i tried mashing start as it boots up too, but not dice~~ I managed to get an icon in the top left for S to boot the saturn game. Nice!!

[sharp comet]

cifs generally works fine

[steel sparrow]

wow nice!! I get some audio popping, i guess thats just the unstable nature. But this is fantastic!

[sharp comet]

yes, the audio is very rough in pretty much every game

some are more stable than others but none are really fun to play yet

very promising though

[sudden mango]

Other than audio and some weird hangups, I enjoyed playing Cotton

[sharp comet]

I guess it depends what you can tolerate

[sudden mango]

The gameplay is all there at least

I wonder how this one is https://store.steampowered.com/app/1656820/COTTON_REBOOT/

Steam

COTTON REBOOT!

Cotton Reboot! is a completely remastered version of Cotton.Fantastic Night Dreams, the originator of the witchy shooting game released 30 years ago, with new features and the latest visual design.The game also features 3 game modes. X68000 original mode faithfully emulates Sharp’s personal computer from the 1993 version. Arrange modefeatures 16...

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I have seen it at BEEP and played it for a bit, but haven't gotten it yet

[steel sparrow]

thank you for the suggestion! Perhaps I'll give it a go on the actual hardware. My Fenrir just came in, but I have yet to install. I have a chipped saturn right now though so I could burn it too, but am going to need to install that eventually so may as well tackle it

[winter phoenix]

I have it, it’s excellent. I actually like the reboot part of the game more than the X68000 original. It’s so much fun

[sudden mango]

Ah, cool, I guess I'll grab myself a CD copy next time I visit BEEP

[winter phoenix]

Yeah I would. I’ve been very happy with the Switch version I got from Strictly Limited (aside from how long it took to be manufactured…)

[burnt matrix]

Cotton isn’t a good game…

[winter phoenix]

You can’t bait me!!

[burnt matrix]

It’s a GREAT game!

[winter phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/john-cena-smile-smiles-smiling-you-got-me-gif-14004276

[pearl harbor]

Cotton Reboot was great. I wasn't a huge fan of the overly distracting numbers on screen though.

[prisma wraith]

this trend really took over in the late 90's and onward after bullet hells became popular. Just littering the screen with garbage everywhere.

[fallen terrace]

fwiw - There's a Paul Met romhack of Cotton to remove the black borders.

[naive whale]

more Saturn fun in 2 minutes

https://youtu.be/bAyzj0T0nR0

[naive whale]

Good views on video. Standard 2 downvotes in the first 60 seconds. I love the dedication of those people 😂 it’s you isnt it @burnt matrix

[full shore]

Is there a new core?

[mortal mist]

Nope

[mortal mist]

Awbacon tests more games

[silver cloak]

I think those are just bots

There are actual dislike bots after a certain threshold

[naive whale]

Damn really?

[silver cloak]

I remember hearing about it a while ago iirc

[stiff patrol]

Your text still says SRG320 just updated the Sega Saturn core with new code...AGAIN...so of course we are going to test the new binary and see how it performs. Seriously...the improvements in performance and compatibility is a small retro gaming miracle!

so again people will get the impression its a new release

[naive whale]

There’s a note in the video saying what core it is

[stiff patrol]

also says New Games Working

which isnt true

yes but the test is what people see

Should say

[naive whale]

It’s just titling. New games working = new games testing

[stiff patrol]

Further testing of existing core

yes but as can be seen above people come here and go new core ?

[naive whale]

Don’t forget these get batch made so the language needs to be similar

[stiff patrol]

I know you batch produce them

[naive whale]

Well I can’t keep them from not ready haha

[stiff patrol]

but the text is misleading

[stiff patrol]

true but the text above says Core been updated AGAIN

and people rarely read more than 2 lines of text

[naive whale]

I can only do what I can to make people read. If it makes you happy I can move it higher up

[stiff patrol]

Well to stop people descending on here I would kill the entire line about Updated Again

becasue its simply not true

or SRG320 updated the core on XX Dec. So today we test XYZ games

[mortal mist]

I agree, it's confusing

[stiff patrol]

God the comments make my IQ drop

I like the person who joined Jotego Patreon and wonders why he doesnt have saturn

[pearl harbor]

Dang it Robby, why you gotta hate!? 😆

[naive whale]

Lol you seem upset. Maybe I am misreading

[pearl harbor]

Nah, I'm just kidding.

Love your videos. I'm "METR0lD" on Youtube.

[naive whale]

Haha I know you @pearl harbor

[winter phoenix]

yeah, I saw that first line in the video description and wondered if I'd missed something. Started looking through the unstable nightlies...

[naive whale]

I forgot when I wrote the comment. It can be hard keeping up with them all but I make a valiant effort to respond to everything. Sometimes I blitz it

[sudden trench]

To make it less confusing, please update it to new Saturn core full release all games working see jotego for build details

[naive whale]

Lolol

Well I moved it up a bit in the description but I can’t make people read. Trust me…I’ve tried to get people to read 😂

I only use “new X” in the title if the core was new when I started making the videos. If they aren’t new I’ll use WIP or “core testing” or “new game tests”

[oak python]

I legit just spent 20 min looking through github and here and youtube to try to find this build, and just then realized DEC is december, not decrement instruction fix build or something

but I do love and appreciate the videos ;)

[naive whale]

Lolol yes it’s abbreviated

I do appreciate you thought I was using some complex acronym though @oak python

[mortal mist]

It's just that people are so excited about the core of Sega Saturn that they immediately look for a new core with such a film, I think it's nothing unusual

[naive whale]

No I don’t think it’s odd either. People are excited for more updates

[mortal mist]

I would love it if a new core always appeared with a new video from the @naive whale 🙂

You are making a very good videos 👍🏻

[naive whale]

I wish so too. I want to retest the “hits” once new code arrives

[tough star]

did I miss a new release or is @naive whale just milking it now? 😛

hides

[velvet cradle]

Is there an up to date list of games that have been tested for compatibility?

[drifting frigate]

There's a pin to a live google doc at the top of this channel.

If you find something that doesn't match, post it here and it can be updated/tested by others.

[naive whale]

🤣 milking it (testing weird shit for fun)

[tough star]

it's still cool and entertaining

I hope srg is doing well

it's very quiet

[turbid crescent]

Anything after the liking someone's tweet? I think it's been 2 weeks now, right?

[edgy hollow]

So saw a saturn pal game having a 60hz patch. Are these common? Thinking if I need to find them for like 50hz pal only games with issues

[thorn pagoda]

odd

usually if you wanted to play a pal game at 60hz you just had a switch on your saturn

maybe that one game had issues with those switches

[edgy hollow]

probably meant for NTSC since some PAL games have weird behavior when played at 60hz

while other PAL games just work fine at 60hz

[thorn pagoda]

yeah if a game was 50hz optimized then forcing it to 60 could make stuff weird

but most were not afaik

[burnt matrix]

Or embrace the 50Hz like a true retro soldier!

[edgy hollow]

tell that to the people that were stuck with the 50hz games on the playstation classic

haha

[burnt matrix]

that was me! lol

[edgy hollow]

I bought it and quickly forgot about it unlike the NES/SNES classic where I at least played some of them for a while.

Too bad Sega probably won't do Saturn mini unless the next mini they make sells a lot

the one with Sega CD

[turbid crescent]

The limitation is the tech. You'll need something beefy to run saturn properly.

[edgy hollow]

Yeah, the zebra engine that they're using on the switch isn't great

at least PS4 is slightly better

[burnt matrix]

If someone were new to the Saturn and they’re just discovering it thanks to this core, what would be the games you’d recommend? 10 games that would give them a good understanding of what the Saturn had to offer.

Here’s my list:

• Bug!

• Elevator Action Returns
• Guardian Heroes
• Nights into Dreams
• Panzer Dragoon 2 Zwei
• Radiant Silvergun
• Sega Rally Championship
• Virtua Cop 2
• Virtua Fighter 2
• Virtual Hydlide

[lusty rapids]

no sonic r?

[burnt matrix]

Personally? Nah. I feel there’s better racing games on the system and better examples of fully polygonal games. It’s definitely a notable game but I personally wouldn’t tell someone it’s a good representation of the Saturn.

Unless you want to represent how screwed Sonic fans were lol

[lusty rapids]

I think it'd fit right under virtual hydlide

[sudden trench]

That’s some serious Saturn hate to tell newbs to play Bug

[sudden tusk]

Replace bug with Astal please!

[turbid crescent]

Astal is really pretty.

[pearl harbor]

The sadism is real in that list!

[turbid crescent]

remove first and last mentions and it's a solid list.

[pearl harbor]

I know I was ||mostly|| joking.

Needs more Dragon Force!

[turbid crescent]

Clockwork Knight instead of Bug.

[sudden trench]

Still a weird list missing all the big games

Just random crap like US shelf

[turbid crescent]

Give him a break, he's new to saturn. LOL

[sudden trench]

Then why is he making the list?

[pearl harbor]

For fun!

[turbid crescent]

It's too early for lists... but if you made this your 10 games to check, oh boy you're in for a nice surprise.

even without considering the arcade ports (which are for the most part the best arcade ports), saturn has a lot to offer.

[untold lintel]

majority of those arcade ports we have the real arcade core for

[sudden trench]

some people are nostalgic for load times

[turbid crescent]

Not all of them.

[untold lintel]

yes thats what majority means

[burnt matrix]

NEVER

[turbid crescent]

So you think the "majority" means NG/CPS1/2? LOL

[burnt matrix]

My dream game is being able to play Bug in the world of Virtual Hydlide

[mortal mist]

Masterpiece

[tiny flare]

Die Hard Arcade

Original Pazer Dragoon (even just the opening stage is so beautiful)

Obviously Bug, what a faultless masterpiece of a game

[sudden trench]

haters

https://tenor.com/view/taters-haters-gonna-hate-gif-5810229

[burnt matrix]

I’m going to meme Bug into public acceptance. YouTubers are going to make “y’know, Bug wasn’t so bad!” videos, mark my words.

[sudden tusk]

Wow .. what an endeavor ….

I for one will never acknowledge bug as anything more than a mediocre tittle at best ..

[pearl harbor]

One could say that you're going to bug people into accepting Bug!

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/never-harrypotter-angry-fire-no-gif-4751988

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tuss-jokes-gotcha-burn-ouch-gif-5645546

[pearl harbor]

Poor Bug Too! getting forgotten.

[burnt matrix]

I actually don’t think it’s a good game but Bug is literally the first Saturn game I ever played so I have a nostalgic attachment lol

[sudden trench]

Bug is a tool for Sony fanboys to make Saturn seem useless

It would be like if someone said “wow PlayStation sucks look at Bubsy 3D”

[fallen terrace]

Virtua Cop 2 if you've got a light gun.

[pearl harbor]

Robby admitting that Bug! isn't a good game has just shattered my world view.

[turbid crescent]

The King of Fighters 96 is the same for me. So I get it.

[burnt matrix]

What really? lol

Saturn rocks, Bug looks competent too 🤷‍♂️

Well I apologize if it looked like I was slagging the Saturn

I love the Saturn ❤️

[sudden trench]

I’m just saying how it’s been for 30 years

The US library is kinda ass and people would take from that try a couple games like Bug and declare nothing to be had here

[burnt matrix]

Wait what? The US library is awesome!

[sudden trench]

No.

[burnt matrix]

Awww you’re killing me here, there’s a bunch of fun games.

[drowsy hull]

no

[sudden trench]

SOA was so screwed up they didn’t even release Radiant Silvergun

SOTN? They passed.

Best SRPG ever? Only give us 1/3 thanks

[burnt matrix]

If you compare it to what we didn’t get it what other platforms got, sure.

I guess I can’t really opine because I’m a Johnny come lately here without any heavy financial or emotional investment. But I really like the library.

[sudden trench]

I was there for the horror show in real-time… I got my Saturn Japanese launch day

[burnt matrix]

Very cool!

[sudden trench]

Best controller ever? Lol, take this crap instead

Like you almost want to think it was sabotage

[burnt matrix]

I’m sorry to hear

you’re far more educated than I am on the Saturn that’s for sure, but it’s been so much fun discovering all these great Saturn games I missed out on

[sudden trench]

I know Sony was going to be a decisive victory regardless but it felt like someone inside SOA just needed that beating to be complete and total

[burnt matrix]

I can definitely see how frustrating it was

This doesn’t help but at least I’m over here going, damn y’all were right.

also I like Bubsy 3D because it’s so offensive I am beyond impressed, I own a physical copy of the game lol

[sudden trench]

Game Informer gave it a B+

[burnt matrix]

WHAT

ahahahahahaa

[sudden trench]

I know now is an unfashionable time to bash the gaming media

So ask me again in a few weeks

[burnt matrix]

oh wait people lost jobs you are right

[sudden trench]

I wish all these people the best in their future careers that don’t require journalistic integrity

[untold lintel]

Robby do you know about Ulilillia

[burnt matrix]

Hell yeah I do, he’s awesome

[untold lintel]

Bubsy 3D number 1 fan

[winter phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-stare-sesame-street-rocco-death-stare-gif-24438342

[burnt matrix]

I thought about putting in Bulk Slash but was like naaaaah

[winter phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/soobin-txt-txt-soobin-soobin-head-in-hands-head-in-hands-gif-23424488

[turbid crescent]

you're just trolling now.

[tiny flare]

Because he wasn’t before

[burnt matrix]

LOL

What are some cool Japanese exclusive Saturn games that are perfectly playable on the core without needing a translation?

[drifting frigate]

All of them. If only you spoke Hovitos.

Er...

I found VirtuaOn pretty playable.

I don't know if that's a JP exclusive, but the copy I have is JP.

[burnt matrix]

Came out in the US fortunately

[drifting frigate]

I own Radiant Silver Gun on like 20 platforms. Is that a JP exclusive on Saturn?

[burnt matrix]

Yeah

[drifting frigate]

The prequel to Dragon's Crown... uhhh...

[burnt matrix]

It crashes for me unfortunately

[drifting frigate]

SHeep plant lady

Crown

[burnt matrix]

Princess Crown? I haven’t tried that in the core yet due to the language barrier

[drifting frigate]

Yeah

If you've played the PS3 Dragon's Crown, it's all similar, menu wise. So it's pretty easy to navigate.

Picking up katakana is worth it because it opens up a ton. Sound out the word..."Oh, contextually it's this in English.."

[burnt matrix]

These are some fun JP games I played:

• Bubble Symphony (thanks to @naive whale’s video for that suggestion)

• Cotton Boomerang
• Elevator Action Returns
• Goiken Muyo
• NightStriker S
• Shinrei Jusataushi Taroumaru
• Willy Wombat

[drifting frigate]

A lot is gated behind 'hajime' or 'sutaato' so learning what a couple of those things look like, even if you can't read them, will get y ou really far.

NIGHTSTRIKER! Shit! I YES! I can't believe I forgot that. Excellent.

I love it on MegaCD, too.

Even though it's... well, it's trying.

[burnt matrix]

Yeah it’s really cool. Never knew it existed until MiSTer

[untold lintel]

pretty much any shmup or fighting game should be pretty playable even if its in JP

[burnt matrix]

Yeah true, I need to go through the shmups more. There's a bunch of overlap with existing arcade cores though so I usually just play those.

[naive whale]

That’s what I’m here for 👍

[dawn moth]

I'm stuck 250 miles from home while my wife is in the hospital, havent checkedin a month or so. What's the latest build/

[clear condor]

Still the December one. Hope she recovers well.

[dawn moth]

we've been here since nov 5, waiting for a surgery, scheduled for Jan 30. Going out of my mind, but I have my MiSTer in my airbnb room.

[pearl harbor]

I'd say Princess Crown is much closer to Odin Sphere than Dragon's Crown.

[drifting frigate]

THANK YOU!

That's the name I couldn't remember. Yes, replace DC with OS in every single thing I typed. DC is the 'kinda more like Mysteria' one.

[hidden grotto]

Anyone care to tell me the easy way to get the latest Saturn rbf?

I remember the good old days, when it would be pinned to the channel... Oh how I miss those easier times

[drifting frigate]

You can scroll up in #unstable-nightlies to Dec 1.

That's the last one.

[hidden grotto]

Ta... I just downloaded from github directly... seems there's already a git build pipeline

[drifting frigate]

Yep!

I've starred it. But it hasn't moved in a while. I'm a touch concerned. My donation to Sergey was also blocked on the 17th.

I just checked and his patreon is suspended as well. I haven't been charged for that and now it's showing $NaN for my membership.

[kind bough]

Mine went through of 1st of Jan but also shows the $NaN now 😦

[drifting frigate]

My last was Dec. I hope he's ok.

[sudden trench]

The people of Ukraine want Indian food

[lusty rapids]

who doesn't want Indian food, it's delicious

[drifting frigate]

Pakistanis.

[sudden trench]

They still want it, they just want to call it Pakistani food

[drifting frigate]

The fusion restaurant is good, but it takes the waiters FOREVER to cross over into the front of the house. This joke is stupid and obscure and unfunny. But I typed it. So.

[naive whale]

Hope it all goes well

[wet hull]

Not good :/

I can see that it is still active and not blocked

[drifting frigate]

You see tiers?

Membership is blank. You can't enable a sub. That means it's inactive.

Maybe it's just US?

[pearl harbor]

Not liking the sound of that. Hope he's okay.

[drifting frigate]

It's not paused, but it's not showing any data and I can't update and it hasn't processed in 2 months.

But all offers have been removed.

[kind bough]

Same in Australia so not US only

[visual grove]

Shite

That sucks, that was probably a helpful income stream

Hmm looks fine in the app

The D in Andy D is for drama 😉

[blazing lance]

Hold up. Japan got an analog controller for Saturn?

[thorn pagoda]

everywhere did i think

[burnt matrix]

Yeah, unlike the regular controllers which are physically different, pretty sure the analog pad is the same just in white.

[blazing lance]

I don't remember that thing at all, but in US not many people thought about Saturn 😦

[visual grove]

Cmon now

Nights

[ancient fractal]

The black analog controller was available as a pack-in with Nights, and could be picked up for almost free for years. I have a couple of those boxes still.

[thorn pagoda]

there's a lot less compatible titles than like, dualshock had on playstation

so its fairly unknown

[visual grove]

I feel like it was a big deal as a Saturn owner when it was released, especially because there was so much acclaim for Nights. It would be hard not to know about it if you followed saturn at that time. Maybe for people discovering the system down the road as a retro system

[thorn pagoda]

i dont think it ever got packed in with the console

[visual grove]

Yeah but it was hyped in gaming mags, stores, etc. I think Sega was desperate to point at a good game and say “see!”

[blazing lance]

I don't know. My friend had a Saturn and had Nights and we definitely weren't playing with that

Maybe that's his bad, haha

[visual grove]

Not a true fan!

[blazing lance]

I'm about to ask his ass