Card Quality Control 🃏🛂

[boreal crystal]

Dear Avid,

we got a bit of a problem in this game.

Look at Nausicaa, a basic legendary. Now Look at Ace of Cups, a limited legendary.

Nausicaa is superior to ace of cups. It generates a little more power, has no drawbacks, and even cheapens itself. Ace generates less power and has a drawback.

(Both cards posted below)

So what's my point? You guys NEED to do a closer inspection of cards you plan on releasing. There are far too many expensive Limited legendary, and even Mythic cards that are inferior to literal basics.

I mean, just look at Project Blue Book. Utter useless garbage.

Dark Photon? Also borderline useless

A good chunk of limlegs In this game? Literally unplayable.

Why would I ever try to trade for, or hope to pull a Mythic or Limleg that's inferior to a basic I can get far easier, or already have?

This issue also contributes to the powercreeping problem in this game.

I understand that some cards are a lot older. If that's a problem, just buff them to be up to snuff with the more recent cards of their same rarity

So, what I'm saying is:
Do a lot more Quality Control. Run the numbers on cards before you release them. Cross examine them with other cards that have similar abilities, even ask some of the very trustworthy players in this community what they think.

Sincerely, @boreal crystal

[tired cargo]

Counterpoint: having good, usable cards that are easily accessible is a must to ensure all people can have a stake in building a good deck

[boreal crystal]

Counterpoint:
While that is true, If some limiteds get too outperformed by basics, then it completely invalidates their stake in deck building

[boreal crystal]

Look at 100m sprint or Cricket. Even commons are better than they are, rendering them literally obsolete

[flat cloud]

Cone Nebula came first

and is in a much better collection than John Wesley Hardin

Cone Nebula by itself, not buffing any nebula cards, is an objectively better John Wesley Harden. Both result in a net 115 power swing, but Cone Nebula does it for cheaper by itself.

[boreal crystal]

I think your numbers are off. John Wesley only gives himself +25, and opponent's cards in hand -10 for the turn, resulting in a net 75 power swing.

Cone nebula, at minimum, gives your opponent's cards in hand -15 for the turn, and itself +30, resulting in a net 105 power swing at minimum. And at max, a net 165 power swing

If you were including base power as well, the numbers would still be different

John Wesley: net 135

Cone nebula: net 145 at minimum, net 205 at maximum

[flat cloud]

John Wesley -> 60 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 25 = 115
Cons Nebula solo -> 40+15+15+15+30=115

[boreal crystal]

Oh... Seems you were right and I'm.....

💀

[boreal crystal]

I realized it's because I did the math with the debuff effect over 5 cards even though you can only play 3......

I feel like the least intelligent human being now 😭

[hearty nest]

Cone gives all your nebulae +30

so 3 nebulae is + 90 + 45 + 40 (base) for net 175 power

[flat cloud]

Yes, but we’re talking about cons nebula played by itself, further emphasizes just how better it is

[flat cloud]

come on bruh

buff bayonet lmao

[fossil spire]

giant wave in perseus and ghost

one gives you energy occasionally when you play it

the other gurantees energy and if youre losing it gives you more

also ghost costs 2 less energy and has +1 power

yeah i get its limited but still for a rare its crazy compared to a legendary

[tired cargo]

There's a new comparison now

[zenith sphinx]

Yeah but limrare>normal legendary so it makes sense for ghost to be better. Also, using ghost usually means your deck requires quite a bit of extra energy and ghost’s ability requires you to be in an unfavourable position (losing) to be fully activated

We also have Brownie and Piñata that have the same ability but Piñata requires you to have won at least one round

[winged scarab]

I believe you also need to consider the album, collection and general synergies that the card has, analyzing just the raw power of the card individually doesn't make sense.

[boreal crystal]

Collection Synergies unfortunately doesn't matter as much as it should, when there are so many metaspam cards that just give crazy numbers to everything under easy to meet conditions

[winged scarab]

Well, I'm against the idea of ​​cards that are strong just for the sake of being strong without any cost in deck building.

cough cough Funeral Bell.

[boreal crystal]

Hopefully Joe pops by soon

[nova sail]

Having both Nausicaa and Ace of Cups isn't a bad thing though; you'd never run the former in Tarot and the latter in Odyssey. While I agree that Nausicaa is probably better, as the game is there's usually enough energy that there's no hindrance to running an 8 Base card over a 4 Base card. More lower energy weeks (except the 13 ones, those are... meh) might help.

[boreal crystal]

Yeah that's not really the problem. The problem is a Limleg getting powercrept by a card 100× easier to get, both by pulling and trading

[nova sail]

That's fair, ya. Powercreep is especially bad lately.

[boreal crystal]

It's always been a problem.
It's a growing one too
Exponentially more cards get powercrept into uselessness, and exponentially fewer are strong/viable at a given time

[flat cloud]

Bayonet got powercrept in less than a month, not that the card was especially useful to begin with

[boreal crystal]

They should've at least used my ability idea for it 😔