🔨│crafting-help

[stone beacon]

i dont want accuracy yah

what are the conditions for that

if i matroned

scoured the bad life roll

could i then do that?

[elder elbow]

If you want a gamble, then just make an Alpha beast

[covert star]

you could do that without doing anything, remove non influenced modifier and add a random influenced modifier

but i think you can add another suffix

[stone beacon]

oh its remove and add

[stone beacon]

what does this mean

[covert star]

yup

[stone beacon]

i mean id like the best possible chance to get a life/res roll

on it

[elder elbow]

Add remove dont work with inf items

[stone beacon]

that would just get rid of the 10 life right

[covert star]

oh, its for non influenced items

you right

[stone beacon]

and then give me something new as well?

im really just concerned with getting the accuracy off

[elder elbow]

No, there's another beast nearby. Which transfers from the suffix to the prefix. It should be cheaper than a matron+annul

[stone beacon]

ah i see just cheaper anul

ok ty

[elder elbow]

unfortunately, due to the influences, many methods are useless

[stone beacon]

if i wanted to like avoid the hassle

id just anul

not matron anul though right?

or should i get rid of the life first

i guress life first

cuz 3 suffix

yah

[elder elbow]

If you're too lazy, then just anul. Maybe 2 pieces

[stone beacon]

i have matrons we good gamble time

[elder elbow]

Anyway, you're going to have half a helmet, what are you worried about?

[stone beacon]

wait anuls can get rid of hte matron lmaooo

[elder elbow]

Yes

[stone beacon]

funny

[elder elbow]

You did an imprint, didn't you?

[stone beacon]

no

how much is that

[elder elbow]

[stone beacon]

ill def do it

thank god

if its what it sounds like

[elder elbow]

Is it a good gamble?

[stone beacon]

i mean ive spent 3 dominance and thats seems like good rng

so anything that bricks the item now is unideal

but i dont think i can resell it

it looks like imprinting is only on magic items?

so i would have had to do it with the bases before which i didnt

[elder elbow]

If you can't do good gamble, you can make an imprint after a bad gamble.

[stone beacon]

well it hit

LMAO

[elder elbow]

Gj

[stone beacon]

now i dont really know what to do with it becuase its very off from the video

[elder elbow]

?

What kind of video? What is needed in the end?

[stone beacon]

the next step was supposed to be matron veiled chaos for +2 to aoe gems

id basically love a Maximum Life roll on it + a res roll or another damage roll instead of res

elemental/fire/burning im playing RF

[elder elbow]

If you don't need a suffix, just fill it in with benchcraft "3 crafted modifiers"

[stone beacon]

oh

[hardy pumice]

i'd just slam a suffix, cant imagine that open spot would ever be useful

well, i guess there is one way

if you ever fill prefix on the veil chaos you can remove the craft and do prefix to suffix beast, as a one-time lifeline

[neon rapids]

!giverep @jagged shadow

[inner venture]

best way to craft this?

[marble talon]

abberant fossil spam proly

reforge chaos is 1/5000 for t1 chaos dot multi and dot multi, then u can elder slam the prefix on for a very likely poison roll

if u accept tier 1-3 rolls u can hit it much easier with reforge chaos at about 1/400

[wind venture]

abberant only?

gona took like 9000 fossil

[marble talon]

i checked it abberant is way less likely

[wind venture]

just a lucky craft probably

[marble talon]

i think reforge harvest chaos then elder slam ex will be easier

tier 1-3

[wind venture]

id rather buy something similar

[marble talon]

looks like about 14-15d to make it

10% for t1 poison roll from ex slam

[marble talon]

3k+ more chaos to hit with abberant

[dim summit]

what if he recomb both dot sufix dot dmg and reforge speed? so clean prefixes elder slam

[wind venture]

damn

[marble talon]

i avoid recombining like the plague but yea maybe

[dim summit]

because atk speed ll be guaranted idk about tier

so slam prefixes and try to get the one

[wind venture]

so every time he needs to find 2 elder pneumatic dagger

[dim summit]

why ?

he ll slam after sufixes

[wind venture]

oh

then jst the dagger

[dim summit]

yes

just need to get both dot dmg and reforge speed pray for t1

elder slam

clean prefixes before if need

@inner venture read ^

i think ll be the best way

more cheaper maybe

[marble talon]

yea most likely cheaper than 11.5d to recomb

[inner venture]

i found a "tutorial" on the guide of my build and is exact this

Weapon

• Recomb suffixes (prepare each base separately, e.g alt spam 1 of the suffixes, combine to 2s, make another base with shared suffix,
  combine, until you get the 3 suffixes. Worst case skip one of the dot multis if you just want some weapon asap)
• Now block phys and use elder orb. This has 50/50 chance to give you poison dot multi with weapon. If you have open suffix from step 1,
  block suffix as well (so for example multimod + inc phys prefix into slam elder orb)
• You can block something and exalt now if you want as long as you have 2 open prefixes
• Finally just craft Hits cant be evaded

thanks for help guys!

[marble talon]

yup

we figured it out lmao

ggs

[inner venture]

ived tried around 30x

not done yet xD

[marble talon]

thats why i hate recombinators

[inner venture]

yea

i just wanna sleep

but wanna finish this

[marble talon]

yup

lmao

[visual isle]

Hello !
Looking to unveil spell damage mana regen or spell damage non chaos on this bad boy.
On the crafting guide I'm following they say to just craft phys % as a blocker and unveil, been kinda unlucky in the process...
I was wondering if cannot roll attack modifier would block veiled mods with the attack tag ?
If so, can I multimod another blocker to increase my odds of hitting one of those ?

[tardy mantle]

No

[elder elbow]

and the guide says it right

[tardy mantle]

And you already have max chances with one block

[visual isle]

okay so meta mods do not affect unveils.. I believe it's because veiled mods aren't "rolled", good to know !
Thank you both !

[tardy mantle]

It doesn't matter here anyway. There's 4 mod groups in veiled prefixes and you block one with benchcraft

And you'll always get the last 3 groups on unveil

[visual isle]

I see

[tardy mantle]

Then there's 2/7 to get spell dmg from group 1

Which has other inc damage mods

[visual isle]

I didn't know blockers were blocking groups, I always thought they blocked smth similar to tags :x

Thanks for the explaination

I now understand why crafting suffixes wouldn't block anything

[ember lotus]

Best way to craft jewels like this?

[broken ether]

is this craftable

[hardy pumice]

sure

just need to land the reflect

[hexed kiln]

hi, how to craft those ?

[broken ether]

btw there has to be a better way to craft this , its nearly impossible to get triple ES i tried dense and essences

[elder elbow]

Buy base, use essence which give u chaos res until t1 res and empty suf. Use veiled chaos until veiled suf, unveil res. Matron and life reforge

Lucky craft

[covert star]

Dont forget to craft suffixes cannot be changed before veiled chaos

[elder elbow]

of course

[hexed kiln]

fractured base that i need cost like 10-15d is it cheaper to frac myself? i guess i also need to recomb the + 2 minion on the right base before fracture

[covert star]

Btw, for prefixes eldritch crafting sounds way better

[elder elbow]

3 orbs per 1d

4 orb average

[covert star]

Def better to fracture yourself

Fracturing orbs are cheap af this league

[hexed kiln]

yea i know the problem is only getting the mode on the right base, but i am not any good at recomb

it is a delve mode right?

2 minion

[elder elbow]

Yes

[covert star]

I would def buy the base tho

I suck at recomb too

[broken ether]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3jG-e8EvYE&t=1014s

[hexed kiln]

thanks will take a look

fractured on 3rd very cheap but because not using high quality base

and 4 essesnces + annul d

do i need to block smth when hit veil suff?

[elder elbow]

2/3 The suffixes are already taken, you don't have a space

[hexed kiln]

make sense

[broken ether]

is it better to try recomb the prefixes on this instead of trying to dense spam for 3 ES prefixes

[compact phoenix]

sure

but this is 30q

[broken ether]

i can use 28

what mods am i looking for to recomb

2prefixes i need with 2 any suffix

[compact phoenix]

depends on your risk appetite

wait

u probably just ladder recomb this

this is a gladiator shield

so just %es + flat es + hybrid es any combination of the 2

and lock reforge def for the es on block

its like a 1/8

then just prefix cannot be changed veiled ex and block some curse mod for double damage

[broken ether]

should i recomb this , and should i have shaper influence before recomb or nah

[compact phoenix]

probably not with the phys reflect mod

u add the shaper influence after the recomb

[broken ether]

how abt this or do i need another suffix or smth

[compact phoenix]

thats fine, suffix doesnt matter since youre building prefixes

[west vessel]

I got this for 100d, I'm playing CI KBoC w/ whispers of infinity. I ideally want to use Spite Essence for Int & get T1 Mana. Not sure where to go from there.

[covert star]

Depends on what do you want, or if u are gonna mist it or not i would say

[warm zealot]

So I want this, but with three t1 phys mods.
Phys on hit, Hybrid, increased phys.
Suffixes are easy to deal with, but without fracturing is my only real bet to slam like 10k essence of contempt until I hit the 3 mods?

[wraith prawn]

what do u mean phys on hit (i dont play wanders and am forgetting all the mods)

cause generally for synth items with phys/phys/hybrid phys prefixes ive seen it done via a lot of imprints and a lot of pain due to how rare they are, but if u mean something else then theres almost certainlt a better way

[robust spear]

is it really 1 in 4 to get 8% explicit defense mod magnitudes on tailoring orb?

on a body armor

[covert star]

Idk if 1 in 4, but odds are not low

15% is another story tho

[robust spear]

i've gone through like 10 of them so far XD

[compact phoenix]

are u going for a mirror tier item?

[robust spear]

probably just unlucky

[covert star]

Yeah, i would say thats unlucky even if i dont know the exact odds

[robust spear]

i've gotten 8% life once, 8% resists 3 times, 15% and -3 sockets once, white socket once, few other things

[warm zealot]

No im just trying to get one I can use myself, just a lot of phys with some attack speed and crafted crit.

[compact phoenix]

can u settle with phys unveil?

[wraith prawn]

phys mods r like the worst thing on earth to put on a weapon

so u either settle or mirror it

[compact phoenix]

or else u will go broke going for 3x t1

[wraith prawn]

good answer

[warm zealot]

I've been messing with craft of exile, and it feels like if I wanted it to be all t1 it would be cheaper to buy a mirror, I was wondering if their was a solid way to get the phys mods without spending 500 divs

[wraith prawn]

cheaper is an understatement

[compact phoenix]

get 2 and unveil %phys

[wraith prawn]

^

[warm zealot]

So spam contempt until i hit one then lock prefix veiled chaos would be the way?

[wraith prawn]

the hybrid phys mod is 8x as common as the others so just hybrid + flat then unveil the % is way way easier

[compact phoenix]

get like t2 hybrid or something

then just veiled chaos

[warm zealot]

Ahh, that makes a way worse weapon huh. Well thats lame. Thanks for the idea though, 130 is just a much smaller mod then 175.

[wraith prawn]

theres a reason phys wands and bows are mirrored so much

and its because theyre absurdly annoying and expensive to craft

[warm zealot]

Its just that lame synth mod thats the issue, with fragmenting its relatively cheap to roll

[wraith prawn]

yes the tradeoff for being able to put an extra 3 mods on ur item is that crafting is harder

[warm zealot]

I see why they gatekeep synth mods in most cases, like a mirror tier helmet is simple to roll aside from synth mods, but in this case its tough to roll even without the synth mods

[wraith prawn]

no the synth mod gatekeep is just like a tradition thing everyone who's rich enough to roll them knows how relatively rare some are than others

theres no reason atp

[broken ether]

whats the chance i even hit 3p i lost like 5 recombs

[warm zealot]

I guess, I rerolled with vivid vultures to the tune of 600 divs this season on a helmet and didnt hit either of the mods I wanted, their has to be something there, theirs no way they just randomly hit it with hundreds of mirrors hoping to get them, they cant possibly make the money back if its just random dumb luck

[compact phoenix]

1/9ish

assuming u are going from 1 mods -> 9 mods

for 2+2 its like 1/3

[broken ether]

no

[wraith prawn]

generally u dont mirror craft for profit

[broken ether]

oh yeah

so i lost 5 of those

[compact phoenix]

next one surely

[wraith prawn]

also they do it way earlier in the league (its still expensive but not as expensive)

unless ur charging a ridiculous fee on ur stuff ur probably crafting at a loss even if a lot of ppl mirror it but thats fine if u wanted to craft for profit u could go make some 100 div shoes or gloves all day

[broken ether]

this is what i should recomb right

[warm zealot]

Ahh, I watched a video of a streamer makign a mirror craft where he was only willing to actually mirror and sell it after he randomly got 100 subs, and I thought, is that the reason they make mirror tier items? Or is it just why he made that mirror tier item.

[wraith prawn]

that feels extremely tos

u make a mirror item because u want the item and it doesnt exist

[compact phoenix]

u make mirror items for profit earlier in the league

[wraith prawn]

and maybe someone else wants it and mirrors it so they service

[compact phoenix]

once league is dead, u make mirror crafts for aura and hype moments

[wraith prawn]

^

atp in league any mirror craft is gonna have a fee of like 20 div

u can make it higher but unless nothing like it has been done before ever the whole league theres probably some guy outpricing u

[broken ether]

bruh i did 7 recombs like this and i just get 1 prefix every time

[warm zealot]

Yeah im not looking to make mirror tier, I just wanted to get to 100% explode and have a good enough weapon, my current pos is fine though

[wraith prawn]

i see nothing wrong with ur recomb

i think ur just getting owned by rng

[broken ether]

classic

i have -200% rng debuff

[compact phoenix]

if u focus on winning recombs, u will usually win more recombs

🤝

[wraith prawn]

positive mentality is crafting meta

"i never win" ❌
"this is the one" ✅

[covert star]

Being rich is crafting meta

Dont lie

[broken ether]

-8 recombs

[wraith prawn]

i made all of my money this league by believing in myself and in the crafting mechanisms

positive mindset works

[broken ether]

i just lose

[warm zealot]

Luck is my game. But it's no game. It's deadly serious. You have to believe you're going to win, or you won't. That's the nature of this life, understand? It is what you make of it. So when you gamble with me, know that it's your fault if you lose. You just didn't believe hard enough.
Gwennen

[covert star]

Ew expedition

[broken ether]

my flat is essence mod does it matter

[pulsar arch]

Can anyone help me craft a donor base for a simplex str stacker amulett ?´
I cant do it i guess, i fail to get 3x nn suffix and 1 nn prefix

[broken ether]

10 recombs lost nice

like is there anything wrong with this recomb , can u hit 3 prefixes here or no

[warm zealot]

Why are you recombining those?

[broken ether]

cuz i need 3 prefixes

[warm zealot]

Thats a really expensive way to do that, I made the perfect es shield twice this season just by spamming harvest defence and looking at energy shield

[compact phoenix]

congrats u got lucky

[broken ether]

thats impossible

[warm zealot]

You could do the energy shield essence i=f you want to spend less time mashing

[broken ether]

im already doign that

i did thousands of them

and dense fossils

and harvest

[warm zealot]

Did I? I tested on craft of exiles and it said 9 times in 10k tries

[broken ether]

u cant hit 3p

[warm zealot]

I mean maybe i got lucky on craft of exiles and in game, three times lucky is possible

[broken ether]

my simluation says 0.0%

[broken ether]

can u look at that screenshot of my recomb

is that the right way , i lost 10 already

[compact phoenix]

its fine

you're just on a bad streak

[wraith prawn]

simulation needs an absurd amount of trials to be accurate

[broken ether]

-11

[compact phoenix]

usually when i go on recomb losing streaks i put in 8 damnations in the harvest bench and type ween

[wraith prawn]

WEEN BELIEVER

this is great

[warm zealot]

I usually do 10k tries, should I do more?

[wraith prawn]

fellow ween truther

[broken ether]

100div lost on this stupid shield

[wraith prawn]

depends on the rarity of the outcome

[broken ether]

and -300 on a ring

[wraith prawn]

u can calculate stuff like that statistically so no need to simulate

simulator is good for doing like a "if X then we do Y" sort of craft because the coe calculator just tells u the odds of one thing happening

[broken ether]

time to jsut buy it and save money

[wraith prawn]

jusr use the calculator tab man

[warm zealot]

I guess, 16 divs to roll it yourself, plus lock reforge defence about 10 times is another 20 but maybe i just got insanely lucky

[broken ether]

56divs just for prefixes

and gotta gamble veiled exalt

[wraith prawn]

if u want an accurate simulation u have to have ~500x the inverse of the odds

so if its 1/10 u want 500*10 = 5k trials

so for 1/4500 u want 2.25 million trials

not 10k

[warm zealot]

36 divs for prefixes and energy shield on block with my coe, but ionno, i cant even get my calculator to read like hers, mine is obviously wrong

[broken ether]

is this impossible to crfat or what

[wraith prawn]

youre setting both % and hybrid ES to be the same category

p1 p2 p3 should all be diffetent boxes

what youre looking at is "hybrid OR %"

[warm zealot]

Ahh, I see, cool

Well shit If i woulda looked at it this way I never woulda crafted them myself

[wraith prawn]

no its literally just recomb rng

[broken ether]

the recomb is impossible

tried 12

[warm zealot]

Its because you arent recombining correctly, you need 6 affix items with as many non native affixes as you can

[broken ether]

they said here its correct

[warm zealot]

Both items need 3 crafted suffix with 2 non native affix, and you it would help to have the other rolls be non natives, like dexterity

[wraith prawn]

what are u talking about

lmfao

[warm zealot]

Maybe the guide I red was wrong, but it explained that the odds of getting any amount of affixes is based on the combines affix of the two items

[wraith prawn]

if u have 2p+2p in the form of AB+AC the only valid mods the recomb can put on are A,B,C. the total # of affixes in the prefix pool is 4 meaning you have a 30% chancs of getting 3 prefixes. since the only valid prefixes are ABC, you have a 30% of getting ABC

[broken ether]

0%

[wraith prawn]

youre misreading this table

the 1-6 doesnt describe total # of affixes on each donor

it describes # of affixes in the pool

so 2 prefixes on item X and 2 prefixes on item Y

4 prefixes in the pool for the recombed item

so 10% 1 prefix, 60% 2 prefix, 30% 3 prefix

each affix side is calculated independently

[broken ether]

what was the chance to win here 3p

[warm zealot]

Hes using 3 seperate prefix, so 10%

[broken ether]

1 is mutual prefix

[warm zealot]

Yeah 4 total, with 2 mutual

So youd want to fill those other prefix with non natives to increase the pool but not effect the odds of getting the three desired right chloe?

[broken ether]

wdym non native they are the same item

[warm zealot]

Yeah but items dont like some stats

[wraith prawn]

no

theyre counted twice

AB + AC goes into the pool as AABC

[warm zealot]

Like you can roll dexterity on that shield but its an intellect shield so it doesnt want to recombine into dexterity, its "non-native"

but once one has the essence mod selected the opther essence mod exits the pool

As recombine can only have one essence

Im sure you are right if say both had, energy shield stun and block, but recombine hates essence and only wants one tops

[wraith prawn]

one exclusive modifier per side

the final item can only have one

but the pool can have one from each

[broken ether]

how much would this cost to craft or at least similar

[fading condor]

any suggesitons on crafting? need flat ES or INC ELE DMG

[warm zealot]

Im sure you are right because I see you helping people alot and you seem to know your shit, you also dont just immedietly tell people to buy mirror tier like most people do, which is the biggest cop out ever for a "crafter helper"

So lets agree that you are right about the essence, im not sure because i mainly know from recombining myself and I seem to be an extremely lucky crafter, but even so couldnt he raise his odds from 30% to 57% by just crafting some non native prefix on both?

70% even if he crafted different non natives?

[wraith prawn]

the pool is selected after mods are "pruned"

honestly i may consult those who know the recombinator better than i and just make a recombinator emulator and send it to craftofexile dev

i feel like thatd be much more useful for people lol

[wraith prawn]

its basically 3 focuseds+3 mists, i dont think those prefixes are too hard to get. you do have to annul and put on a bad 3rd mod if u dont wanna get cucked by mist tho so u craft the prefixes 9 times on average

i imagine its literally just reforge defence

u can check in coe tho

[warm zealot]

So by adding illegal or unselectable entries to his base items he can increase his pool without diluting it right?

[broken ether]

why 3

[wraith prawn]

there's only 2 options with a mist on a 3-mod item:
it reflects 2 of them (this is the same as 1)
it reflects 3 of them (this is the same as 0)

reflecting 3 is negligible here as it's a 1 in 45 chance

so we assume we always reflect 2 mods

if we want the 2 mods we're targeting to be positive, that means we want the 1 other mod to be negative. there are 3 mods. so there's a 1 in 3 to get the outcome we want

[warm zealot]

What about the reflect range, its not a pass fail

[wraith prawn]

nothing in there needs a certain threshhold

well, ig the negative min frenzy needs 2.0+ (~17% chance), but since they said 'at least similar' i assume they just care about having those 2 positive mods (and not at a specific scalar*)

[hardy pumice]

far as i remember, essence mods do only count once

[warm zealot]

Its average 180%, that amulet is over 200% percent is what i meant

[wraith prawn]

oh interesting, ive never been told that by any recomb wizard personally but u also know more than me (i think) on the recomb

[hardy pumice]

im sure you did

essene mods are just exclusive mods

[tardy mantle]

Before the modifiers themselves are selected, the final number of prefixes and suffixes are independently calculated for the output item.

If it rolled suffixes first and selected an exclusive suffix, all other exclusive modifiers (including prefixes) now vanish from the pool.

[hardy pumice]

and you already know those get pruned to 1 per side

[warm zealot]

Her little chart their says that each side gets an exclusive

Only one side gets to choose essence though?

[hardy pumice]

each side gets an exclusive in the mod pool, but that doesnt mean the resulting item can have 2

resulting item can still only have 1 exclusive

[warm zealot]

That would mean it gets poruned at step 5, which is after 4 though

[wraith prawn]

there's no other exclusive mod here though

[hardy pumice]

you misunderstand the idea

[wraith prawn]

the shield that was being recombed is essence A + B + essence A + C

with normal suffixes

[hardy pumice]

it first gets pruned to 1 per side, then later on when the recomb process chooses its first exclusive mod, the other one will be discarded

[warm zealot]

So the pool says its 4 mods then, which is what chloe said

[hardy pumice]

its 3 mods after the pruning

they have 4 prefixes, 2 of which are exclusives, one of those gets pruned out

[warm zealot]

Which prune? Step 2 prune or step 5

[hardy pumice]

step 2

[wraith prawn]

ah wait - when it says "side" is that referring to affix side and not which base it's on?

[hardy pumice]

affix side

[wraith prawn]

gotcha

yep that checks out thenb

[warm zealot]

Ahh, so my experience with it was standard not incredibly lucky, that makes sense

[hardy pumice]

what was your experience

[warm zealot]

So yeah its a 10%, he needs to add non native prefix to get 3 mods more often

[hardy pumice]

recomb science is just based on testing, all data is valuable

non-native prefix would help but i dont think you can reasonably get it there

[warm zealot]

Oh very little, Ive only used it to self craft

[hardy pumice]

what would help is rolling essence+regular, and on the other base regular+regular, then at least its actual 4 mods in the pool

[warm zealot]

why cant you just craft something like, physical as chaos damage, bam non native

[hardy pumice]

thats an exclusive chosen craft, thats not a NN mod

[undone spade]

well i have a base with 1 elevated, using magic lock beast to see the awakerner orb outcome

[hardy pumice]

NN mod is armour on a energy shield base, that kind of stuff

[undone spade]

isnt that the best way?

mainly i want to hit good suppress

[warm zealot]

So craft % energy shield evasion and armor on it, bam non native

[wraith prawn]

u cannot add essence mod after anything else, it has to be ur first mod

so if u want the aoe essence mod on that u have to recomb a non-elevated mod + that essence or start with the essence

[hardy pumice]

crafted mods dont count

it has to be a regular mod

essence is what people usually use for it

[hardy pumice]

i guess technically you could do some glyphic fossil thing but yea that armor is mirror tier for a reason, conventional methods dont work for making it

[warm zealot]

Hmm, but then you cut your odds of getting the essence you want in half

[hardy pumice]

thats why i said you cant really use nn for that recomb

there is no good way to go about it

[unreal egret]

How you gonna add the essence mod?

[warm zealot]

why cant you use crafted mods? are they considered exclusive?

[wraith prawn]

i remember looking into glyphic on that exact chest and i came to the conclusion quickly that "this is fucking stupid"

[hardy pumice]

because you can craft %armor on an evasion base and it doesnt break anything

[wraith prawn]

i dont remember why but there's something about it that doesnt work lol

[hardy pumice]

crafted mods are native to any item

much like people often craft suppress on gear that cant roll suppress naturally, its perfectly fine within the game logic

and NN method works because it breaks the game logic

there are basically only 2 types of NN mods - either those weird low tier essence modifiers, or influence modifiers for a non-influenced base

neither would work great for that recomb case, so its just not helpful

[warm zealot]

So in his case if he added any crafted mod, it would add that mod to the pool and compete with the other 2 non exclusive mods that he wanted, or would it compete with all 3?

[hardy pumice]

depends which crafted mod it is

if its also crafted and exclusive, then its a big problem, if its just crafted, then it would just be a regular mod

far as i remember you can even stack crafted mods post-recomb without multimod involved

[warm zealot]

Does recomb force an exclusive mod?

[hardy pumice]

no

exclusive mods still have to compete with all other mods to roll

but they also block each other, as an added rule

while regular mods dont block each other

well, unless they're in the same mod group

[warm zealot]

What are the weights on exclusive mods then?

[hardy pumice]

i don't know, good question

craftofexile usually puts 1 there, idk if thats real or just a placeholder

[warm zealot]

COE says crafted mods have weight of 0

Step 5 picks by weighted scale

So always or never right?

[hardy pumice]

i dont know the answer to that

what weight those mods get - no idea honestly

[warm zealot]

Its neither, ive gotten crafted mods on recomb, but it may be that it wanted a 3rd mod but that was the only option

[hardy pumice]

its not super relevant to the overall process so i never even asked

you can get crafted mods on recomb, sure

[warm zealot]

Seems important to me, number of affix is important

[hardy pumice]

im not saying you cant

number of affixes isnt related to that

[warm zealot]

Yeah i did, i said its weight 0 so its always or never, nut its neither, so theirs an unknown somewhere

[hardy pumice]

number of affixes is just determined based on total affixes in the pool

the weights of them dont matter

[warm zealot]

Which crafted affixes add to

[hardy pumice]

sure, its true

[warm zealot]

Weights only matter for step 5, when they are actually chosen

[hardy pumice]

so basically ur asking is it beneficial to add random crafted mods to the prefix pool, and to know that we'd have to know the weights on them

because if they are more likely to be chosen over the mods we want, then we dont want them, but if they're less likely then we would maybe want them

[warm zealot]

I kinda started just ruminating on crafted weights, but yeah, exactly what you said

[hardy pumice]

yeah i dont know the answer, good question honestly. Gut feeling tells me its a bad idea to add crafted mods

they roll pretty frequently from my experience so it cant be some super low weight on them

[warm zealot]

Ive only crafted like 10 things with recomb, but ive added crafted mods to all of them thinking it was one the tricks to recombinating

[hardy pumice]

and then they just add trash to the prefix pool you dont want to roll

it used to be the trick to recombination, but that was patched out later

back when we used to spam multimod and chosen crafts on every recomb

[warm zealot]

Yeah thats the stuff I red, a huge reddit post from 3.26

[hardy pumice]

right now i dont think anyone does the "add a bunch of crafted mods" method

[wraith prawn]

the working assumption is 2k

but it's unconfirmed

[hardy pumice]

2k is such a weird number

[warm zealot]

I wonder why coe says they are 0

[hardy pumice]

but at least someone asked the question before, so they figured it out

[wraith prawn]

craftofexile lies a lot of the time

[hardy pumice]

wonder what about stuff like elevated influence mods, essence mods etc

[wraith prawn]

it's not a ggg official thing; if the community (or more realistically the dev) doesn't know it, then CoE doesn't know it

[warm zealot]

I get that, but if i were doing it I wouldnt add a weight, not a weight of 0

[hardy pumice]

cant you do the poe2 recomb method for crafted mods or something

[wraith prawn]

you can find these weights in the game files

but theyre not whats used for recomb

[hardy pumice]

poe2 recomb was used to determine affix weights based on the chance it shows, maybe crafted mods can also use that

i'm sure someone tried that, so i guess it didnt work

[wraith prawn]

oh actually i know why it says 0

what we datamine is SpawnWeight_Values

oh and GenerationWeight_Values

[hardy pumice]

biggest reason i can see nobody ever bothered to figure that out, is because once you determine that its a bad idea to use in recombs, it doesnt even matter anymore what the weights are, you just know its bad

[wraith prawn]

either way crafts dont do either of those

[hardy pumice]

wonder if ggg actually had to add those weights to all crafted mods when recombs came out, so the system works with them

otherwise they'd really have 0 weight

[wraith prawn]

i have no idea how these numbers work looking at them and i Dont Care but either way we can't datamine the recomb stuff

[hardy pumice]

and they just typed in 2000

[wraith prawn]

what IS this mod

[wraith prawn]

2k isn't confirmed, it's just kinda a "eh it seems about right" from the community. nobody's tested it a lot

[hardy pumice]

anything above like 100 would still mean its a bad idea to use in recombs

so yea i can see why its ballparked, who cares, its bad

oh well

still, that other persons recomb can be made to 30% if they use essence+regular and regular+regular instead of doubling up the essence mod

thats usually the best method

[warm zealot]

Also in his exact scenario, two shields that make good base, he could increase his odds by 10% to get the three prefix he wanted by adding a suffix craft to one and a prefix craft to the other

[wraith prawn]

this table is fucking impossible there are mods that exist and have both generation and spawn weights of 0

i think this is why coe just defaults to 0 for some things lol

[warm zealot]

If the suffix craft base gets chosen the second craft would be excluded in step 5, meaning a 4 weight pool half the time

Well 4 weigth all the time, 4 weight 3 options half the time

[upper mason]

Anyone here good at crafting

[warm zealot]

Chloe and ebony are

[upper mason]

How can i recraft this

with higher tiers of the same small notables

i was thinking of using these

is that correct?

[wraith prawn]

well how did u craft it in the first place

[hardy pumice]

i dont think thats true honestly

[upper mason]

it was bought

[upper mason]

I bought it

im thinking of re-crafting it

to get t1 life and t2 or t1 cast and the inc effect

[hardy pumice]

because far as i remember, you can actually just have multiple crafted mods post-recomb

[upper mason]

Is 5 divines enough to consider the re-craft?

[wraith prawn]

caster is going to nuke ur chances of getting inc effect

[warm zealot]

If multimod got chosen with two multimod items i believe it, but after an item has a crafted mod on it without multimod how would a second crafted mod not be exclusive

[hardy pumice]

something like this

[upper mason]

how bad

are we talking

?

[wraith prawn]

maybe 8 times worse

at best

[upper mason]

so is it worth pursuing

a re-craft

or no

bc i want to re-craft the life on it tbh

thats my biggest gripe

low life roll

t3 to be exact.

[warm zealot]

What so we could recomb an item with min frenzy endurance and power charges? then reflect it for +4 min to all 3?

[upper mason]

I want T1 at least

[wraith prawn]

i think ur cheapest way to do that is to jail urself in slam slam slam jail \

[upper mason]

wym

?

[wraith prawn]

aug regal ex

[upper mason]

the fossil resonators wont work?

[hardy pumice]

i think so?

[wraith prawn]

very very expensive

[upper mason]

i have 5 divines

id imagine that would be enough no?

[wraith prawn]

not even close

[upper mason]

bc inc effect doesn't have a tag

so its global

and random

[warm zealot]

Doesnt that sound... valuable? Like wouldnt that be a thing someone made?

[wraith prawn]

if u put more caster mods, then all of the prefixes with the caster tag (there are a lot) will be weighted 10x higher

[hardy pumice]

i can see someone makes these

[wraith prawn]

that means that the inc effect will have relatively less

[upper mason]

harvest bench then?

[wraith prawn]

i dont think in current recomb u can get 3 crafted mods

[upper mason]

I can do the life modified

[hardy pumice]

but also i completely forgot the exclusive part

[wraith prawn]

it was a thing in sentinel but i havent seen it since

[hardy pumice]

those are chosen affixes, exclusive

[upper mason]

modifier for harvest bench no?

[hardy pumice]

regular crafted mods u can maybe stack, these ones i doubt is possible

[hardy pumice]

yea so that just doesnt work, i forgot those mods are exclusives

[wraith prawn]

good clusters are horrible to craft u will probably spend way way way more than u expect with any method

[upper mason]

considering theres no other similar ones on the market

re-craft is my only option

[warm zealot]

Ahh, so youd need to craft an exclusive on prefix/suffix for it to work like i said which you may not be able to exclude a prefix with a suffix

[wraith prawn]

with fossils it'd be 720 div for that jewel t1 t1 t1

[upper mason]

t2 cast

and t2 life

with t1 inc effect

[wraith prawn]

4x as often so 1/4th the cost

[upper mason]

would be good enough for me

[hardy pumice]

yea but if u also have an essence mod in the pool then its just an all around bad idea

[wraith prawn]

ur best bet imo is reforge life spam for 35% inc effect and then ex slam

unless u wanna aug regal scour

its like a 1 in 25 slam maybe

for t2+

[hardy pumice]

i think that cluster jewel was supposed to be rolled on a different enchant, then swapped to the spell damage

because now that its already on the spell damage base, reforge caster or reforge speed have a boatload of dead weight on both sides

whereas on some bases its a guaranteed cast speed

in any case 5div doesnt even begin to cover the cost you'd have to spend

[wraith prawn]

yea probably, idk how much the reroll implicit costs so i stayed on the base but if its even like 1 div each its probably way easier to do on another jewel base

[warm zealot]

maybe COE is doign it wrong, but it let me do this

[hardy pumice]

honestly maybe you can skip the inc effect at that point

[upper mason]

so wait

which method then?

harvest craft?

and slam?

or do the regular orbs

and slam exalt?

im at 10d rn

[hardy pumice]

thats just a regular multimod craft theres no issue with it, the issue is when you recomb and the exlusive affix rules come into play

[wraith prawn]

this is notably not a recombinator

[upper mason]

farming sirus for currency

[wraith prawn]

reforge life is a harvest craft

but i can check price of jewel implicit thing

oh its way worth to make on another base

lol

[hardy pumice]

you could legitimately skip the increased effect and it'd be close to the same cluster, because right now its 6% cast speed and 13% spell damage per point, if you rolled t1 cast speed and a t1 life in prefix, it would still be 6% cast speed, 10% spell damage and a bunch of extra life per point

but thats really sad, to be using a 12p large cluster with no extra effect

[wraith prawn]

ok so that jewel has to be fractured on an ele dmg base, but normal cast speed is only on spell damage it looks like

[hardy pumice]

often enough there are other cast speed types you could use

like attack and cast speed with lightning skills etc

or attack and cast speed with a shield, i think thats a thing too

[wraith prawn]

oh wtf theyre the same roll

yeah then just use one of those

i thought theyd be different %s for some reason

[hardy pumice]

yea but 5d is really not gonna cut it

its what a 1/15 to hit the spell damage cluster back if you reroll from it

not gonna happen

alt spam prison might have to be the answer, thats the only thing u can reasonably attempt on that budget

and hope to hit at least something good

[upper mason]

@wraith prawn what are the chance

of doing reforge

and hitting all 3

with inc effect t1

[wraith prawn]

not

[upper mason]

but life and cast t2

[wraith prawn]

id have to sit down and calculate it since coe cant simulate that but they're Not Good

[upper mason]

jsut got this this

LOL

T1 cast instead of T2

I guess thats an upgrade????

2 * .35 is 0.7

3 * .35 is 1.05

so its an upgrade

sorta

for cast speed

sadly life remains the same unless i go again

[wraith prawn]

1 in 10500

horrible dogshit notation but

^ thats ~50 div in juice

now, you can do it in less if you slam an ex whenever u get 2 of the affixes u want

but computing that sucks and i dont want to

[upper mason]

true

[stark ruin]

how to craft this ring

but with mana instead of -7 cost

https://poe.ninja/poe1/pob/90129

i also dont understand how he is capped 75% chaos

and how he has that much mana

[hardy pumice]

looks like the foulborn skin of the lords is how they get all the resist

[wraith prawn]

fracture hysteria essence, probably start with the suffixes then reforge/aug life for prefix and then craft -mana

[stark ruin]

i got hte foulbourn too

but still 1% chaos res

[hardy pumice]

i mean how would we even know what ur gear looks like

[wraith prawn]

idk which way for suffixes is the best, my gut tells me fossils bc a lot of the time minion items r just fossil

[hardy pumice]

gonna have to drop a pob

[wraith prawn]

ig what u could do is maybe like reforge chaos for minion life and then lock reforge fire? but that feels more expensive than i imagine that ring being

[hardy pumice]

why not reforge chaos

well i mean the other way around, fire first then chaos with lock

[wraith prawn]

oh yeah just swap order

better odds lol

[hardy pumice]

theres also reforge minion i guess

[wraith prawn]

theres way too many minion mods

[hardy pumice]

all of it seems iffy

[stark ruin]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/pob/90132

this is my build rn

[wraith prawn]

oh

ok so maybe it is just that LOL

[hardy pumice]

nice two CB jewels

[stark ruin]

100 divs

😭

[hardy pumice]

but i mean idk what ur question is, u asked how do they have more chaos res, and they quite literally just have more chaos res on their gear

what other answer did u expect

get more chaos res on the gear

[stark ruin]

its hard

to find high end gear with chaos res on it

[hardy pumice]

the answer is still the same though

[warm zealot]

You are rigth next to a chaos resist and curse resist node, just dont follow the build in every way and youll be stronger for cheaper

[stark ruin]

lemme see

[warm zealot]

Also you are willing to spend 100 divs for 37% minion max life, but are right next to a few nodes that all offer minion life and you dont get them

[wraith prawn]

this is attrocious to hit t1 res + t1 minion life lmao

it may be cheaper in the end

but it feels rly bad

[stark ruin]

i got them

[warm zealot]

My buddy tried to pay me 5 divs to craft him one of those rings, but fuck that its a very difficult craft and you can get minion life in other places

So whats your chaos res at now?

If its close you can slap some chaos res tattoos over your int nodes

[stark ruin]

i have 19% rn

[warm zealot]

Following a guide for concept is fine, but if you try to build the same shit youll find yourself needing mirror items that only the build creator is selling.
How? You just got 30 from those passive nodes didnt you? Plus your armor making them 45

[stark ruin]

i need more passives

im only lv 93

[warm zealot]

All the damage on that build is minion life, just jhack some points from fire damage and slap them into minion life and your chaos resist, reget the fire nodes after you have your levels

You need the build to function before you worry about super upgrades, and it cant function until it can survive

[stark ruin]

true

[warm zealot]

Also every 10% minion life is worth like 50% fire damage if your build is anything like what my buddy was doing, which i think is exactley what you are doing

[stark ruin]

wow

i didnt know that

so redo my clusters?

or get minion life nodes

[warm zealot]

Nah, just jack points from there for now

Get the build functioning then use POB to determine shit liek that

[stark ruin]

ok

will do

ill kep u updated

[warm zealot]

You can also exalt slam that cluster and hope for chaos res, its cheap to see if you get lucky, but its harmless to do it

Also that clusters fire skill cast speed does nothing for you, bv isnt tagged fire, so its got two dead affix

60 chaos for a jewel cluster with those two notables and 4% chaos resist

Those 4 points, plus that cluster and bam you are close to if not chaos maxxed

[stark ruin]

oh i see

thats a wonderful suggestion

[stark ruin]

!giverep @warm zealot

!giverep @hardy pumice

[silent horizon]

how to craft?

@amber magnet

u have to get double anointed amulet randomly from blight right

[amber magnet]

Yes

[upper mason]

@wraith prawn

[covert valve]

probably the most cost-efficient way is spamming harvest reforge life, but you might go insane in the process. I thinks it's around 15-20d of purple lifeforce on average, with exalting to 4mod

obviously you start with i84 ele, fracture cast speed, and fog to spell damage before that

[upper mason]

I crafted it already

from earlier

just showing chloe

[covert valve]

oh well done then

[upper mason]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/mirage/character/WOMFT-1135/nwMirage?i=0&search=class%3DInquisitor%26skills%3DArc%2Bof%2BOscillating%26sort%3Ddps

on another note, why is this build using the writhing jar

my build is similar rn but idk why he is running that

[covert valve]

leech maybe?

or some on-kill bonus

[upper mason]

idk what exactly then

im kinda lost

my dmg is at 236m

246m

actually

https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/arrowface10-1569/mirage/character/GrabHerByTheDivine

Granted he has 3 frenzy charges at all times

bc of ring amulet combo

[covert valve]

unless you need magic life flasks to purge bleed/poison/ignite writhin jar is good

worms at least do something

since utility flasks banned anyways

[upper mason]

idk how the worms function tbh

[covert valve]

just 1hp mobs that you can kill

[upper mason]

ye but idk how that works with the build looool

I also noticed he runs an animate guardian

idk for waht tho

[covert valve]

prolly garb

no action speed reduce

[upper mason]

idk then

im lost i guess

[thick dust]

What’s the shortest way to achieve these two mod? Can someone help me pls?

[unreal egret]

Get a fractured +1 all and reroll lightning

[elder elbow]

What do you mean?

[hardy pumice]

shortest way doesnt really mean anything specific, and even if we take it at face value as "fastest way possible to achieve this" its still not really a good question, too many other things come into play when crafting items

if one had to do a straight up speedrun to get those 2 mods, regardless of money spent, they'd just buy a wand that has it.

[young goblet]

You can fracture it yourself if the bases are too bad

[neon rapids]

Yo guys I've failed a T1 fractured orb 11 times in a row. IM SO DEMORALIZED. It takes like 1k alts for the suffix and I'm burning out so bad

I'm like is it really 25% chance or being weighted cuz GGG hates me

[young goblet]

Yeah RNGsus can be a little btch sometimes

[neon rapids]

I want to grown man cry

[young goblet]

You can still try to recomb the suffix onto a new base

Especially on armor with nn essence mod on the new reciever armor

[neon rapids]

I tried salvaging the bad fractures, first I tried unpredictable recombination. I recomb bad fracture with another same base rare with same ilvl. But I lost 5 recombs without getting the suffix. Then I tried predictable recombination, it succeeded but it alos chooses the same fractured base so doesn't help. Anything I am missing?

[young goblet]

Cuz that cant show up so you 100% have the non fractured mod (tho u need to have the suffixes clean except for nn essence mod and suffix on failed frac

[neon rapids]

mine is a scepter base btw

[young goblet]

So okay give me a sec to type how to do it

Oh scepter could be bad ( idk if some1 else know if the method also works with that, since im also fairly new to crafting)

[neon rapids]

ya its uninfluenced just a base suffix

no essence or special mods

But i think you're saying make a special mod suffix on the other scepter and so the pool only has 1 suffix?

[young goblet]

So what you do technically is: the failed fracture base needs 3 prefixes(random) and the one single suffix that is still normal (not fractured)
The other base you want to transfer the mod to: needs to have only non native non transferable essence suffix (no other suffixes!), prefs dont matter

You unpredictable recomb both bases

What happens is:

You have a 50/50 chance to choose the unfractured base, then you win, else repeat; the suffix you want will always show up

Because it pools both suffixes in the pool, so only 1 or 2 shows up on the new item (not 0 mods), and the nn mod from essence will get removed from the pool only after it calculates how many

So it has to choose the mod you want as suffix

(Its easily doable on int bases with strength essence mod, since that mod cant show up on the base)

Or dex/str bases with int essence

[neon rapids]

wow thats crazy didnt know that guarantees it. what if the failed fracture has more than one suffix?

[young goblet]

Cant, since the essence mod never will show up on the new item

[neon rapids]

i meant on the old item, the base

[young goblet]

But you could keep the frac base, which would have the frac mod, then you need to repeat the steps, but you cant loose the mod

[neon rapids]

so lets say base is 1 prefix (frac) 2 pref, and 2 suff ( 1 suffix you want is T1)

[young goblet]

You need to make sure the mod cant show up on either bases, which should be given since you dont want to transfer your wand mod to another wand type

[young goblet]

You need to make sure to ONLY have the one mod you want as suffix

[somber crow]

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[young goblet]

Since the essence mod on the other item will never show up

[neon rapids]

so gotta annul and pray to make sure?

[young goblet]

Yes, because otherwise 3 suffixes would be pooled ( 2 from the frac base, one of which you want, one nn essence from other base). Then the suffixes would be calculated -> its 3, so there could be 1,2 or (RARELY) 3 suffixes on the new item -> after calculating, the suffixes would be chosen, where the nn essence mod will be discarted and there is a chance ( if it chose 1 mod) to only keep your undesired suffix and delete the one you wanted

Which cant happen if only the desired mod can show up cuz its the only one in the pool (alongside your nn mod which is discarted)

But again, i only know the interaction is easy for body armor, idk what nn essence mods to use for wands

So be wary of that (maybe some1 more experienced in the channel would have an answer to that)

[neon rapids]

got it ill still be in RNGesus hands

and I will have my hands on my face as my tears stream down

[young goblet]

The method is more useful for delve mods or grasping mail mods, which could be really expensive so you need to have that 100% reusablility

Should still work for you native mod tho i believe

Almost everything is RNGsus

[neon rapids]

OMG I GOT IT ON MY NEXT FRACTURE @young goblet didnt need to do recomb

I seriously started screaming when I got it in rl

!giverep @young goblet

[hexed kiln]

D, was rolling clusters for area of effect fracture, i guess it is a keep or sell

[hardy pumice]

that looks great, wonder if it might actually make sense to swap it to minion damage anyway

actually it probably has to be swapped huh, i dont think any other build archetype gets 6 passive medium clusters

[hexed kiln]

already swapped to minion life, but not sure what price to set

there are some simmilar ones with t2 chaos but they are listed for month +- for 80d

[hardy pumice]

well the league is real dead

hard to sell anything

i guess go low

[hexed kiln]

for now put at 60 but i guess by the end of the day will put to 40, or even less

[jagged shadow]

Quick question: if I want to recombine abyss socket and a T1 resist. Will the recombinator always eat the socket?

[elder elbow]

As far as I remember, it is considered a unique mod, so it cannot be combined with the essence mod or any other unusual one. The res seems to be able to be recombinated, but I'm not 100% sure

[hardy pumice]

its fine

[sonic mauve]

hello chat, my 6th recomb made something somewhat usable, so what can I do here besides exalt slam(or is that just the best option)

[hardy pumice]

i dont know what you were doing

that crafted strength looks real sus on a recomb base, shouldnt have crafted mods there

but anyway just keep doing the simplex recomb, why bother with astrolabe

and if your plan was to skip simplex altogether and work with regular bases, then again why even use the astrolabe at all

[sonic mauve]

i'm out of money and this is better than what i was using before so i crafted strength after the recomb

[robust spear]

anyone know if all enchant types are equally likely with refracting fog? or is it weighted?

i'm of course rolling for 2h, and have gone through about 30 fogs without hitting it. not absurd but pretty unlucky if it's an even chance

surprisingly common to use fog and reroll into the exact same type that it was previously

now 40 ><

50! This seems very unlikely

[unreal egret]

Yes

[unreal egret]

You can only roll medium enchants on medium etc

Are you trying to do that?

[blissful orchid]

Hi, any tips on how to craft this gloves ?
i have base fractured chance to surpress spell damage
all i know that i have to spam essence of woe

but is it possible to get 2x T2 ele resist and T2 increased eva & ES just by spamming essence ?

[lone zodiac]

Is eva and es prefix?

[blissful orchid]

yes it is

[lone zodiac]

If so, you can try, spam essence til you hit eva and es t1 or t2 if you willing to settle, after that use leser eater of world ember make sure it is dominant, if not use grand eater and lesser searing ember. Spam eltrich chaos til u hit 2 res, after that craft minion damage.

Using eldritch so that prefix are safe, just make sure that eater of world is dominant so that prefixes wont change.

[wraith prawn]

wrong way around on the eldritch

eater needs to be dominant

[lone zodiac]

To roll suffix?

[wraith prawn]

yes

[lone zodiac]

I got confused. 😂 Mb

[wraith prawn]

you can either do eldritch chaos + eldritch exalt with no minion craft, or normal ex + eldritch annul with minion craft

because having the craft already on changes the odds of eldritch chaos giving you any mods

[robust spear]

No, i'm just trying to roll damage with 2 handers on large, which definitely should work

[blissful orchid]

okayy, thank you for the insight@lone zodiac & @wraith prawn
wish me luck

!giverep @lone zodiac

!giverep @wraith prawn

[lone zodiac]

Goodluck, once u got the es and eva its easy.

[blissful orchid]

i hit it 😄
not bad i guess

thank you!

[lone zodiac]

That was fast, congrats!

[wraith prawn]

winner

this same sort of process works for most eldritch crafts btw

these i made yesterday may look a lot nicer but really all it is is doing one side via essences (in this case i then need to also put on a veiled mod), then eldritch currency for the other side

[wicked latch]

how can i get life after unveil?

[wraith prawn]

i guess you can do prefixes first via eldritch chaos then prefix lock reforge life but that feels really horrible and like it'd end up being more expensive than just doing a veiled ex

at ur stage i probably just block mana, ex slam, de-craft, eldritch annul, repeat until u have t1 life, then craft suffix lock and veiled ex 50/50 to be happy

[wraith prawn]

wait im stupid

why did i do this backwards

you just get t1 life then prefix lock veiled chaos lmfao

suffixes r annoying but probably way cheaper to do last

[wraith prawn]

this is probably the cheapest way

if you're really comitted to using the gloves that already have ur suffixes tho, what u can do is block mana, ex slam -> uncraft, eldritch annul, repeat for t1 life, then veiled ex. it's faster but more expensive

[jagged shadow]

the answer is that it's a perfect donor base for a new simplex attempt 🙂

[lone zodiac]

How do you craft this ring? I'm confused since its all suffix lol

[hardy pumice]

spam crit multi essence

its actually the only way to craft the ring, because thats the only source of crit multi on fractured rings

so its easy to figure out

[lone zodiac]

recouped as mana is veiled right?

[hardy pumice]

as for why it has 5 suffixes - read the implicits

the mana thing is veiled i guess yea, i dont really remember

usually you want the reduced mana cost

but you take what you get

[lone zodiac]

I see thanks

!giverep @hardy pumice

[jagged shadow]

and the life recoup is a low rolled T1

[coral tapir]

What would be the most efficient way to craft this? My best guess would be awaken orb the %str and %attri, suffix cant be changed (yolo annul if it has a prefix) and harvest craft influence? missing anything?

[wraith prawn]

https://youtu.be/gx8rmW-miyU

(taps the sign)

attr stacking simplexes are basically The most common youtube tutorial craft

your method is Kind of accurate to the old one???

1. you will ALWAYS have a prefix, so you ALWAYS have to yolo annul
2. it's super wasteful to do that without imprints. you can't have mods on blue simplexes anymore (thus us no longer doing that method), so you'd have to spam for the influenced mod each time

[hardy pumice]

awk orb method is dead

the simplex base would have to be like 300d for the awk orb method to make sense money wise, otherwise its just too wasteful

and simplex is under 30d last i checked

so recomb it is

[coral tapir]

That video is awful to teach how to make, it’s for people that already know the process and want to see it done. Thankfully there was a comment that actually explained the process

[wraith prawn]

i wouldn't say so whatsoever, but sushi's content is generally aimed at people who are fairly familiar with crafting mechanics in general, so if recomb tech is alien to you then i can imagine it may be hard to follow in that case

[hardy pumice]

no the video is certainly not great as a guide one can follow

evidenced by the fact that so many people come here and say they dont get it at all

which doesnt mean sushi did anything wrong, if he wants to make content aimed at people already in the know, thats totally fine

but if there was a more in depth video guide out there i'd certainly link to that instead of sushi's vid

the astrolabe base in particular is not really explained at all

[polar belfry]

If im looking to craft a +2 convoking wand (+1 minion/+1 all spell) what is the cheapest way to recomb it vs the best way to recomb it?
fossil crafting is a option but a difficult option as trade is kind of dead in privet league

i should note that i dont care if it fills, as long as its +2

[hardy pumice]

fracture probably easiest

technically best way to recomb would i guess be to use some NN stuff, thats a 45% success rate vs the regular 33%

but usually the way people do it is just regular 1p+1p

[polar belfry]

its tyty privet, there is nothing on market, so nnn isnt really an option, almost 0 fossils on market
i might just keep going for the 33%

do teh odds change if im slamming 2x magic items or is that still 33%?

[hardy pumice]

no difference, still 33

[polar belfry]

!giverep @hardy pumice

[coral tapir]

!giverep @hardy pumice

!giverep @wraith prawn

[coral tapir]

Got an interesting mod on the awaken. should i go forward with the annul or would this be better off attempting to sell?

[compact phoenix]

annul

[lethal wasp]

!giverep @wraith prawn

!giverep @heavy lagoon

both helped answering a question i put in poe1 chat by mistake

[covert star]

the reason goes after the tag for it to appear in #✨│help-appreciation, it doesn't matter if u dont specify the reason tho, just letting you know

[lone zodiac]

any tips on how to craft this one?

[hardy pumice]

just recomb for 3 mods

[lone zodiac]

i suck at recomb

rip

[hardy pumice]

any other method would be too expensive for what its probably worth

[lone zodiac]

So I should look for 3 of those mods separate and recomb them together?

[hardy pumice]

yea

[lone zodiac]

lets say i have this

[hardy pumice]

best would likely be to spam crit chance essence for one of the mods, then recomb a 2+2

[lone zodiac]

now find a magic phys to cold then recomb?

[hardy pumice]

actually thats what you did already didnt you

that looks like essence tier spell crit

if you use tier1 essences then doubling up the suffix mod doesnt help, so yea, you'd want to recomb with single prefix phys to cold, or alternatively you can even recomb with phys to cold + penetration, if you can find that

[lone zodiac]

Yes what i did what essence and look for penetration

[hardy pumice]

if there is a good amount of cheap tier2 essences on trade, thats also a good option

they should count as a natural modifier and not essence type, so it'd boost recomb odds

right now if you find a magic phys to cold and recomb with the one you have, you have a 19.5% success chance

[lone zodiac]

damn alright

[hardy pumice]

you could keep trying that until it works

[lone zodiac]

i'll try that for now

it remove the penetrate lol

so now look for penetration and recomb again?

[compact phoenix]

U make another 2 mod but this one with pen + one of the others and recomb again

[lapis solar]

Guys, how can I craft something like this?

[unreal egret]

you get a focussed, spam life until all res then hunter exalt and pray

[lone zodiac]

Okay done with it thanks for the help @compact phoenix @hardy pumice

!giverep @compact phoenix

!giverep @hardy pumice

[winter fulcrum]

Out of curiosity, what build is this for? Besides the life, it seems pretty mid. Like 18 MS doesn’t really seem worth the opportunity cost of an amulet slot lol

[lapis solar]

BV. The area of effect that people normally get would not hit my next break point, so I wanted life instead of it.

People normally get: area of effect, crit mult and mov speed.

I already have too much damage. I need the res to change from the Defiance. I just want the mov speed really.

[winter fulcrum]

Ah gotcha

[jagged egret]

guys, for smth like this, is it really only spamming hinekoras lock in bestiary with awak orb for t1 suppress hit or are there more options?

[covert valve]

basically yes, make blue base, lock beast, awaken orb check. Remember that memory strands have a BIG influence on awakener orb, so you'll want the blue base you're locking to be at least 50 strands, preferrably more

and you can check multiple bases if you make fodder items that have multiple influence mods

[inner steeple]

If you want a realistic chance of T1 suppression, then strand 85 of your main base and simply spam Hinecors in the bestiary. The more strand, the greater your chance of hitting high tiers.
Yes, making 85 will be expensive. I wasted about 30 devines on it when I did 1300 es body

[west vessel]

God crafters need some help here ..
I want to craft a wand like this. I have a frac T1 speed base. How does this craft proceed?

Or is this like a really expensive unapproachable craft?

[young goblet]

Prob crit essence til mana hit, then beastcraft suffix cant be changed and reforge lightning, repeat til you win (prob reallllly unlikely to hit both lightning mods with good tiers on prefix)

[west vessel]

would a fractured t1 mana be a better base for this?

[young goblet]

My thought would be fractured prefix, use essences for cast speed, until you hit either mana or crit chance, beastcraft suffixes cant be changed and reforge either mana or crit

Then continue to lock suffixes reforge lightning

That should be it

But im really new to this stuff so my advice could be bad lol

Thats just how i would try to hit that itwm

Well

I think its a lot harder than what i though

These are the spell versions of the mods

So no essences

Welp ignore my previous advices lol

[unreal egret]

This looks like recomb

Get to 2p1s bases and slam together with 1p2s bases

Then craft spelldmg

[outer socket]

hi I want a helical ring with underground conductivity on hit mod, but it seems that the NNN transfer used in 3.26 is either nerfed or don't apply to the ring

tried delirium essence but it could still select the essence mod

and I also tried using new recomb with 1 garbage prefix and 1 underground suffix, but it seems that always the wrong base were chosen(have tried 7 times)

[covert star]

I think its just that recomb methods were changed for what i've heard

[outer socket]

so the 100% retain underground mod is no longer usable?

[covert star]

So most of old tutorials are outdated

[covert star]

No clue about specifics, as i never learnt to recomb

I just know that old reconbinator tutorials are useless as they are outdated

I just repeat what i read way too many times here hahahaha

[outer socket]

this way is developed during 3.26 and people used it exhaustedly. I'm not sure if it get nerfed in 3.27 or 3.28

[austere walrus]

is there a trick to know about transfering this -cost modifier into the manifold ring bases?

[lethal wasp]

i haven't tried that personally, but the first thing that comes to mind would maybe try and recombinator it? it might be too hard to hit with veiled exalt if you REALLY want that -10

[austere walrus]

this is an elreon's mod so you cannot get it with veiled chaos/ex only way to get this mod on a manifold is recomb i believe

my goal is adding essence crit multi for example of this item, so i need to try 10-20 times with reflecting mist on items with this - cost mod, crafted % cost and 25 crit multi, have any suggests?

[lethal wasp]

good to know

[austere walrus]

maybe i should recomb rings with cost and manifolds with annuled single multi, so i might skip the fracture maybe?

[lethal wasp]

i guess it would be;
recomb for the elreons > fracture > crit multi essence spam until you get what you want > craft reducted mana cost > Mist

someone else chime in, am i cooked?

[wraith prawn]

cant keep both an essence and veiled mod through recombination iirc

[austere walrus]

why not? one is prefix other is suffix

[wraith prawn]

final item has a limit of one exclusive mod

[austere walrus]

wow didn't knew that

[wraith prawn]

though its possible veiled mods behave differently since i never rly recomb them, i dont think they have any special cases and are just counted as an exclusive mod

[noble eagle]

which one is better for my build? NOTE: i have 15 frenzy cartoons when my build is running.

And I don't know, it's better to take the implicit unnerve enemy or increased spell damage per frenzy

[elder elbow]

"For my build"
Where is your build?

[noble eagle]

https://pobb.in/qOPLXtXxpBa9

[crystal bison]

Could someone help me with crafting that ring or sth even better? For minion pact BV chieftain

[marble talon]

u just essence on the ele reflect, hysteria essence spam for the chaos res and a life roll, recombine and reflecting mist and pray u hit no bad reflect

[hardy pumice]

its not reflected

[crystal bison]

Will try, not really sure how it will go tho but ty

!giverep @marble talon

[unreal egret]

spam essence for life, lock prefix, reforge chaos, then slam shaper orb
Depending on cost of the base + shaper orb it’s better to imprint the base ring and restore after each failed shaper orb slam

[crystal bison]

appreciate all the help, gonna try now

!giverep @unreal egret

[hardy pumice]

thats probably not how they crafted it huh

because if you do it that way it'd always give at least 4 mods on the reforge, so you always end up with a trash prefix. maybe you're supposed to slam first then lock prefix at the end for rng 1/6 t1 chaos res?

[pulsar arch]

||Item Class: Amulets
Rarity: Rare
Wrath Heart
Onyx Amulet

Requirements:
Level: 60

Item Level: 86

+12 to all Attributes (implicit)

10% increased Strength
25% increased Spell Damage
+11% to Chaos Damage over Time Multiplier
8% increased Area of Effect

Elder Item
Warlord Item
||
Can someone help me how i can add another non native suffix to this item ?

[unreal egret]

manifold work different on reforge no?

[hardy pumice]

i dont think so, why

[unreal egret]

That’s an amulet

I don’t think amulets have NNN mods

[hardy pumice]

just like simplex always gives 3 mods on any reforge, its never gonna give less than 3 mods, manifold should also obey the normal rules

[unreal egret]

I mean going for just life and reforge chaos then anull gonna be easier than what the other dude proposed I think

[hardy pumice]

its the astrolabe tech, they use influence as nnn

but its not an astrolabe base so its already weird

[unreal egret]

yeah then it works since it’s different influence but this is onyx

[pulsar arch]

@unreal egret its justsupposed to be a donor base, and with non native i mean, another influenced mod that cannot transfer to another influence

[hardy pumice]

the way you set up astrolabes is just lock suffix reforge influence on repeat

[unreal egret]

It depends on your target item

[hardy pumice]

i imagine it would be the same in your case

[pulsar arch]

You are way to fast for me, give me a sec

[hardy pumice]

its likely a bad idea to use onyx base

you want astrolabe for its ability to roll a whole lot of nnn mods

[pulsar arch]

target item is going to be a simplex with warlord shaper influence

[hardy pumice]

well are you trying to transfer the %strength

[pulsar arch]

but the astrolables are way more expensive and have more transerable mods no ?

yes