surreal sun
The script executed successfully and it wrote some things to my Termux's home folder, but it somehow can't find the executable regardless. Not sure if this is a Termux problem or a me problem or a binary problem. I have attached a screenshot of all of the messages i sent in a separate server asking for potential fixes.
soft swan
The script executed successfully and it wrote some things to my Termux's home fo...
dotnet doesn't support for Termux environment, that's also the reason why Powershell package doesn't exist in the repo. the only way to use dotnet is to run it inside trapped proot/chroot environment
you can use proot-distro to setup proot environment
https://github.com/termux/proot-distro
surreal sun
so there's really no way to get it to run outside a proot
surreal sun
so you're saying it's not as straight forward even inside a proot
heavy sinew
There is no (open source) .NET runtime with Android support.
Xamarin exists, but its runtime doesn't have source code available for porting to Termux.
soft swan
so you're saying it's not as straight forward even inside a proot
no, i mean it would work inside proot environment but it wouldn't outside proot environment
surreal sun
don't xamarin and .NET MAUI compile to Kotlin or something
surreal sun
no, i mean it would work inside proot environment but it wouldn't outside proot ...
oh okay
i misunderstood and it sounded like you need to bend the environment of a proot to make it work
heavy sinew
don't xamarin and .NET MAUI compile to Kotlin or something
I don't think so.
In either case without source code availability we can't port them to work in Termux.
surreal sun
I don't think so.
In either case without source code availability we can't port ...
i remember deploying a maui app to android and the apk was just kotlin stuff
didn't know it could be deeper than that
heavy sinew
.NET support is one of the longest running issues in the project.
https://github.com/termux/termux-packages/issues/516
Without concessions from Microsoft, or a third party Android .NET runtime popping up, it's not likely to ever happen.
Mono doesn't support Android.
And Xamarin/MAUI are not open source.
soft swan
it's a miracle if Microsoft actually open-source .NET
heavy sinew
So we're shit out of luck.
surreal sun
didn't they open source it already
heavy sinew
Sorta
surreal sun
i'll admit anything in dotnet is too big for me to audit myself to see if not all of it is open but
it exists 🤷♂️
heavy sinew
are you sure maui is not open source
just kinda assumed on that one, but apparently there is a repo for it, so maybe?
https://github.com/dotnet/maui
surreal sun
yea
i remember looking for dotnet on github and i first looked at microsoft's github account
took me a while to realize powershell and dotnet have separate accounts
oh also
soft swan
Microsoft might only open-source some of the parts from that above
heavy sinew
let me check the PRs on the package repo, I think MAUI was brought up before and there's still some hurdles
surreal sun
i doubt anything of the sorts would be possible if it weren't open
it's a lot of commits behind and some forward
not looking very promising but it's open enough for people to try making it a reality so 
heavy sinew
Is MAUI just a framework, or also a runtime?
I'm not that well versed in the .NET terminology
Also, Android while using the Linux Kernel, is not Linux.
surreal sun
framework
surreal sun
it compiles to
on Windows it's WinUI
on MacOS it compiles to Mac Catalyst but .NET exists on Mac so you still need a runtime
on android it seemed to install an app and a child app which you as a user could access
heavy sinew
Found the stack diagram.
The blocker here is .NET for Android.
surreal sun
and it seemed to be kotlin
damn
i guess there's more to it than just compiling to kotlin
heavy sinew
It doesn't compile to Kotlin, or JVM-IL at all.
It compiles to .NET intermediate language
surreal sun
hmmmm
heavy sinew
Uses the standard .NET JIT compiler to convert IL to machine code at runtime
surreal sun
then they got the .net runtime inside a kotlin app since it's still android at the end of the day
ah
heavy sinew
then they got the .net runtime inside a kotlin app since it's still android at t...
Well yes, at the end of the day it still needs to interface with Android's JVM.
surreal sun
[SOLVED (sort of)]I am trying to run dotnet using the dotnet installation script
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Mono doesn't support Android.
And Xamarin/MAUI are not open source.
mono does support Android and it is even packaged on Termux
and I think some frameworks use mono as the basis to make their C# code run as an Android app
like Unity game engine I believe
heavy sinew
mono does support Android and it is even packaged on Termux
Okay wait...
What exactly in still blocking .NET on Termux then?
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Mono is different from the .NET that microsoft is making
heavy sinew
Wasn't Mono acquired by Microsoft?
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I don't know, but they are still two different codebases
heavy sinew
Acquired by Novell (sirens should be going off at this point) and eventually transferred to Xamarin, a Microsoft subsidiary.
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also Mono is like based on the older .NET Framework
.NET Framework used to be a windows only thing and mono felt like a cross platform version of it
but then microsoft made .NET Core that became cross platform
eventually since .NET 5 the Core in the name was dropped, since latest .NET Framework was version 4 no more name confusion is possible
heavy sinew
Mono supports up to .NET 4.8 by the looks of it.
So that might be an issue
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yep that's the latest .NET Framework version
after that is Microsoft's rewrite which is what we use today
surreal sun
yep that's the latest .NET Framework version
wait so mono is only .net framework
i imagined that mono being bought by microsoft and .net core being a thing made it like an alternative to the cross-platform sdk