20 levels of melee prot???
#Tinkers Post - Please put your favorite combos here
neat cedar
rocky stump
Any matter manipulator experts here, looking at the builds here and they seem to feature hepatizon instead of osgloglas
is momentum actually worth it
patent viper
This is a Good Question, I think osglo does more damage
rocky stump
mm is for mining
rocky stump
Looks like I should just be using disintegrate collar and osglogas everywhere else, no?
neat cedar
Hept probably provides more stats w/ momentum
since oslogas has like
extra dense and global right?
rocky stump
osglogas has a fatter % mining speed buff, no?
and a much higher base mining speed as well
merry sigil
osglo goes fast enough for me and not needing to deal with transferring stuff is nice. I could use backpack upgrades to get around it but eh, osglo works well for mining
mellow mason
Minecraft armor is weird, and I don’t think I’ll ever fully understand the equation, but toughness does definitely reduce the damage you take
rocky stump
more armor, more damage mitigation
more damage in a single hit, less damage mitigation
more toughness, less effect more damage does in decreasing damage mitigation
IE both stats are good, but in this modpack where bosses do 5 bajillion damage, not sure how effective +1 toughness is
but not like you have anything better to add other than +1 heart
rocky stump
any good cleaver?
Where are you in the game, just entered nether?
chilly ibex
we answered this question earlier
rocky stump
And better question, what do you need heads for
If the answer is "blazing blood" the answer would be "don't"
chilly ibex
it's really better because you just need 10 heads and you can start melting ichor
actually, less than that honestly
rocky stump
Just soul vial like, 2 blazes and chuck them in
I mean, cleaver is good if you're planning to daily drive it as your weapon
And it extends further to wither skulls later
But if it's for the express purpose of getting blazing blood from blaze heads, eh
runic monolith
cause i want an good hammer but too much item need blazing blood to cook
Manyullyn Ingot need it D:
rocky stump
Get a whole bunch of ichor and melt it with a blaze or two that you captured
stone summit
what would be the armor to make after just entering the nether?
rocky stump
Depends on how much you want to bum rush
stone summit
not planning to speedrun
rocky stump
Blaze netherite is something you can get very soon
Just go get a whole bunch of debris and blazing blood
stone summit
how best should i go find netherite in this modpack?
rocky stump
Ars scrying for debris nets you like, 2 stacks of debris in one scry
If you chance upon a megavein, 6 stacks
For your first debris the usual, just dig down low and tunnel
stone summit
wait, how do you get the most out of a debris?
rocky stump
You use your first debris to scry for more debris
neat cedar
any good cleaver?
invar rose gold/steel/manasteel haste modifier
actually just steel since invar doesn't proc in the nether iirc
Is jewelery worth investing? Stuff like necrotic for hp% DMG or resistance?
chilly ibex
invar rose gold/steel/manasteel haste modifier
why haste? haste doesn't do anything for weapons.....
you'd want swift strike lmao
chilly ibex
how?
spring lava
do you have any good recommandation for a good #expert armor ?
And is there something to make an item "indestructible" like mending or so ?
chilly ibex
mending doesn't make an item unbreakable...lmao
spring lava
you can repair it without cost
rocky stump
He's just saying that he wants gear that doesn't need to be repaired manually with cost
chilly ibex
expert has blaze netherite which is really good
rocky stump
Chromatic Steel does that very well, just have some power gen
chilly ibex
chromatic steel is late expert mode imo
rocky stump
Did he specify where he was in game
chilly ibex
i assumed early nether
spring lava
Yes and no, I'm in the great bellow
chilly ibex
great below is late expert i'd say?
rocky stump
You can probably bumrush chromatic steel already
chilly ibex
yea
spring lava
You can probably bumrush chromatic steel already
I think I can, just need to find how ahah
and for the weapon, i'll take the "Usurper" someone did
chilly ibex
rocky stump
You can do chromatic steel plating + blizz enderium maelle since blizz enderium is a prerequisite to chromatic steel
spring lava
<:usejei:822906946856288287>
i'm doing it dw
rocky stump
If you want to bother with dragons you can do dragonsteel plating + CS maelle
chilly ibex
chromatic dragonsteel armor i call it 😎
rocky stump
Either ways, what's important is that you immediately slap on max melee prot and some magic prot once you're done with your armor
chilly ibex
don't forget revitalized
spring lava
So i'm doing the 2 parts in Chromatic steel ?
spring lava
Oh my bad
chilly ibex
both chromatic steel and blizz enderium are both pretty bad for plating imo
rocky stump
What would you put on as plating if not dragonsteel
chilly ibex
blaze netherite is good
rocky stump
And blizz enderium is definitely not plating, I stated maelle since it has no effect on the output armor
chilly ibex
forgot about that
rocky stump
Why's blaze netherite better than CS? I haven't checked and compared their stats in hindsight
chilly ibex
since dragonsteel is super difficult rn, blaze netherite is a good alternative
chilly ibex
Why's blaze netherite better than CS? I haven't checked and compared their stats...
i never said it was better? all i said was "blaze netherite is good"
rocky stump
both chromatic steel and blizz enderium are both pretty bad for plating imo
^
Chromatic steel is bad for plating, but blaze netherite is good for plating
You saying that without context makes it easy to assume as such
chilly ibex
well, i'm not the best at explaining things so
rocky stump
Are you trying to make a point about the resource cost of making CS plating armor
spring lava
Ok so i do Blaze Netherite plate and CS Maelle, is that good ?
rocky stump
That it's not worth the effort
chilly ibex
actually, chromatic steel isn't bad for plating
spring lava
ok thank you
chilly ibex
blaze netherite is good because it repairs itself if on fire
but lower armor values than chromatic
rocky stump
Last I checked it's a straight upgrade, no
chilly ibex
oh, true
rocky stump
Thermal Enhance inherits the fire regen
It has more armor
It has power durability which is arguably wayyyy more convenient
And all the other goodies from the other elemental metals
chilly ibex
yea, i'm just not thinking right now
spring lava
Ok, and what is the simplest heater to melt ?
rocky stump
To melt what
spring lava
the CS
rocky stump
Pyrotheum
But it's still a whole chore
Get a bunch of oil from 2 sources, do a bunch of refining, mix with blazing blood
Good news is that you barely need any to smelt all the tools and Armor you want, just don't use it for stuff that doesn't need it
1 bucket is enough, 2 if you want to future proof a little
To craft your Armor you're probably only using like, 1/10th of a bucket
So you don't have to automate, just small scale chug out some pyrotheum
spring lava
Ok, thank you
fickle barn
20 levels of melee prot???
Ye, i dont actually know if im wasting defence slots w ig but tbh dont rly mind it
mellow mason
^to hit max
fickle barn
Magnetic caves discovery gives a pretty free additional defence slot so am not wasting any of the actually expensive slot boosts
fickle barn
you only need 10 levels of melee prot..
Interesting
mellow mason
you couldve also had magic prot
fickle barn
Should i then switch like hat and boots to idk projectile? Prot
mellow mason
Man I just don't understand tinker's armor, at least midgame or without acs
A dragonsteel chestplate is 15 armor 6 toughness
A dragonsteel tinker's chestplate is 13 armor 5 toughness with a diamond and netherite
Isn't this just way worse for no reason
Sure, tinker's stuff has melee prot, but is lower armor melee prot 4 really going to protect more than higher armor normal prot 4
Is tinker's just... only better endgame
pulsar lodge
Man I just don't understand tinker's armor, at least midgame or without acs
A dr...
FTR, tinkers' specced prots are twice as effective as a single level of regular prot
mellow mason
Well yeah but you can have more levels of prot
is 16% melee protection worth losing 2 armor 1 toughness, is the question I guess
chilly ibex
2 armor and 1 toughness is literally nothing
rocky stump
you're taking 36% damage vs taking 20% damage
you're basically taking almost half the damage with 80% vs 64%
55.5% of the damage if you want to be specific
armor has diminishing returns the higher you go
7 vs 5 armor is a lot different than 15 vs 13 armor
side note, is blizz enderium unironically better than cs dragonsteel
mellow mason
1337 lol
rocky stump
35 Toughness
35 Armor
That's the total tally for CS + BE
For dragonsteel + CS, I believe its
38 Armor
22 Toughness
vale tendon
side note, is blizz enderium unironically better than cs dragonsteel
ive been wondering the same thing lol
rocky stump
You get way more toughness, but slightly less armor, and less resistance to dragon breath
which to be fair dragon breath is one of the killers in this modpack
but like for everything else, that toughness goes a long way in mitigating damage from the huge boss hits
mellow mason
Doesn't toughness cap at 20? The vanilla wiki damage function implies it does, though idk how relevant that is
rocky stump
oh, does it?
mellow mason
Been trying to make sense of this for a while, but at least that part seems clear
rocky stump
The maximum damage mitigation is 80%: damage * 1 - min(20, ~)/25
The higher min(20, ~) is, the less damage you take, so ~ at 0 means you take full damage, and ~ at more than 20 means that 20 is selected as the value instead
mellow mason
I guess an important question is what's, like, the scale of the raw damage numbers being taken
Do dragons do like 200 damage with breath or something? 100? 300?
rocky stump
The minimum damage mitigation is 20% of your armor points
they just got nerfed I believe
Lightning stage 5 used to do 377.5 damage, now its 152.5
carmine fractal
I guess an important question is what's, like, the scale of the raw damage numbe...
They hit around that damage mark with breath attacks
sage geyser
actually, less than that honestly
You don't even need that. A melting pan bypasses that need entirely. Mine like 2 blocks of ichor max with it and you've got enough blood to make a tonne more
chilly ibex
Lightning stage 5 used to do 377.5 damage, now its 152.5
why SO MUCH?
carmine fractal
Probably from mce1
Without considering how much weaker the player is this time around
mellow mason
Ok, let's assume tinker's dragonsteel with specific prot, etc has just 80% dr against everything, which isn't possible but who cares, while normal dragonsteel just has prot 4, and both have the full 20 toughness
The tinker's armor has 38 armor with diamonds, while the dragonsteel has 46 armor.
Against a 150 damage attack, tinkers takes 10.11, while non tinker's takes 10.8
I'm not trying to argue that tinker's is worse here, that's a whole 7% improvement, and the upgrade slots just make tinker's better, but my point is I think you're undervaluing armor a little, especially at higher damage values. I mean, most damage taken is at lower damage, where armor does clearly matter a lot less, so ig the tinkers is just better. At that point, the fact that tinker's has a limited amount of defense slots starts to matter more, where if you start taking projectile damage you're just absolutely screwed, but I'm inclined to trust your guy's word that melee damage is most damage. Isn't dragon breath magic though? (doesn't matter, you can have maxed magic and melee defense)
Side note, very strangely, now that I'm trying to graph it, from 154 to 214 damage taken, the normal dragonsteel actually starts taking less damage than tinker's, to a maximum of 44% more at 182 damage. That's... weird?
X is damage incoming, y is actual damage taken
chilly ibex
sooo regular dragonsteel armor better than tinker's dragonsteel...?
mellow mason
I don't think so?
chilly ibex
that's what i'm getting from this
mellow mason
It seems to be that tinkers is better at chip damage but protects you from oneshots less at some specific damage amounts
chilly ibex
if ACS + blizz enderium is the best armor combination, then dragonsteel is just something to show off at this point
deep wharf
if i replace my rose gold paille with blizz enderium, do i lose an upgrade slot?
deep wharf
so if i've done all the upgrades on the item, I lose one?
chilly ibex
it won't let you unless you have an upgrade slot available
vale tendon
there is a list in this thread
you may have to search for it tho, its a bit high up at this point
mellow mason
At any rate, wouldn't the best armor just be the meka suit
vale tendon
is mek better than tinker dragonsteel + chromatic?
mellow mason
Isn't it complete invulnerability provided you have power
chilly ibex
no
mellow mason
well never mind then lol
chilly ibex
it's not 100%
vale tendon
tray, do u have recs on a tinkers melee wep, any mats except antimatter
rn, im rocking cs + manyullyn and blizz enderium handles sword
chilly ibex
i'm using daggers and a cleaver
mellow mason
What's the point of the blizz enderium maille? Metamorphium seems like it would just be offensive
If that is the case, then acs + be armor seems... just awful, even with the 5% chance to take 0 damage factored in
mellow mason
For reference
X axis is incoming damage
Y axis is actual damage received by your health bar
Blue is tinker's dragonsteel, 80% protection
Red is normal dragonsteel, prot 4
Purple is acs, 80% protection
chilly ibex
It starts high for a moment and then falls off hard
mellow mason
Ig the scaling is a bit misleading actually, idk if anything does more than ~150 damage
chilly ibex
Except dragon breath honestly
mellow mason
Well dragon breath is what's doing 150
urban drift
what upgrades i should use for dragonsteel chrom?
chilly ibex
Bosses may still go through entire health bars, even at 80 hp with full armor
urban drift
like the first few updates
chilly ibex
what upgrades i should use for dragonsteel chrom?
Melee prot 80% total, and revitalized
mellow mason
Anyway I still wanna know
Why is acs + be the combination, and not like acs + acs
Acs seems like one of the few (if any) materials that protects you as a maille
In fact... dragonsteel plate + acs maille
Wouldn't that be the best by far
chilly ibex
It 100% is the best tinker's armor
vale tendon
i'm using daggers and a cleaver
what mats did u use for the daggers?
chilly ibex
what mats did u use for the daggers?
densium + chromatic steel
osgloglas is best alternative
real knoll
Melee prot 80% total, and revitalized
and it gets even better if you decide to go for the shield / battlesign trait that raises the tinker's prot max to 90 or 95%
mellow mason
It 100% is the best tinker's armor
actually, looks like it's antimatter plating antimatter maille. lol
oh wait no garbage toughness
lemme recheck that
chilly ibex
my toughness rn is 32 lol
mellow mason
12 wasted 😭
mellow mason
Well that would be helpful to know, because it would make all of my graphs wrong
lol
chilly ibex
there it is 🙂
mellow mason
So how does that change the damage formula, just uncapping armor and toughness?
chilly ibex
yea, it really just uncaps the vanilla values
rn max is 100 but that's no where near plausible (this is for toughness)
mellow mason
42 armor though 😂
Through armor + other stuff, not just armor right
chilly ibex
yea, basically every possible stat in minecraft
mellow mason
ok good
chilly ibex
Through armor + other stuff, not just armor right
it also accounts for stats added by mods too
mellow mason
I meant your specific armor
mellow mason
Wanted to make sure there wasn't a combo I missed
Anyway this is the fixed graph
Antimatter plating + maille is the best at low damage, tinkers dragonsteel plating alone makes itself the best at high damage values
adding in antimatter maille just makes dragonsteel plating better than antimatter plating at lower values, but that isn't shown here because lazy
chilly ibex
so what you're saying is.... chromatic dragonsteel is best armor
mellow mason
Chromatic is worse than antimatter overall
mellow mason
Chromatic maille gives a 24% damage reduction, antimatter gives 25% lmao
so yes chromatic is better because the five billion non defense effects
chilly ibex
wasn't it 20%?
mellow mason
It also gives 5% to cancel damage, and .8 * .95 is .76
chilly ibex
but that's with the different modes though
mellow mason
The 5% from blitz defense happens at all modes
chilly ibex
heh?
mellow mason
at least, that's what it says happens
could be lying
mellow mason
It's from thermal enhance not flux shield
chilly ibex
well, i literally just closed my game so i don't feel like starting it up just to check that 😭
mellow mason
Blitz defense is the 5% I'm talking about
steel comet
is it worth making a powered spawner for thermal blazes for chromatic steel mats?
mellow mason
Flux shield gives a different 5%
chilly ibex
ah, that
chilly ibex
is it worth making a powered spawner for thermal blazes for chromatic steel mats...
you could just do a drygmy farm...easier and saves on power
steel comet
hmm I thought about that, havent used drygmys before and my source supply is a hopper above a food source link but maybe
chilly ibex
multi-layer melon/pumpkin farm with an agronomic sourcelink is best mid-game
late-game would be infinite lava
create charcoal farm would be good as well
steel comet
well i do have infinite lava already for my blaze smelter i could do that
chilly ibex
yea, best bet
i have a fluid encapsulator filling buckets and piping that out to multiple volcanic sourcelinks, it's a really.........weird setup
steel comet
nice
mellow mason
weird that dreadsteel doesnt give any more armor at all
chilly ibex
dreadsteel is awful in this pack
steel comet
I luckily had a lava ocean conveniently below my blaze spawner and just set up a few waterwheels and some pipes
chilly ibex
you should use a hose-pulley instead
steel comet
oh i am
chilly ibex
k
steel comet
i love the infinite supply mechanic from create
mellow mason
weird that dreadsteel doesnt give any more armor at all
definitely the best armor at taking specifically damage instances from 154 to 262 damage though
lol
chilly ibex
that's weirdly specific
but still lets you get 1 shot from just about anything in the game :/
mellow mason
but still lets you get 1 shot from just about anything in the game :/
If we're defining 1 shot as >50 damage or something, it would take a 320 damage hit to do that
chilly ibex
tbf, we have a thing that prevents 1 shots but still
mellow mason
I mean, if my math is wrong, my math is wrong, but I think it's right, so getting one shot doesn't make sense
past drift
it's wild that no one ever seems to have made a mod to easily check the damage you could take
like a reverse dummy
mellow mason
I'm pretty sure the mmmmm dummy is taking 1.8 damage from the terra modifier's "7 damage", which is strange
does it have like magic resist or something
chilly ibex
i have no idea
vale tendon
~~dreadsteel is awful in this pack~~
making lightning and ice dragonsteel is just so painful
vale tendon
its better than ice, but its still ~50 enderium shards per steel so a lot of scrying
pretty sure fortune doesnt work on the ore either
chilly ibex
no it doesn't sadly
adam said he was going to make enderium and neptunium a bit easier
new gateways
don't remember when exactly but i'm 90% sure that's the plan
vale tendon
wdym by new gateways?
pulsar lodge
you know the eternal invasion gateway
more like that
but it gives you neptunium and stuff when you finish it, instead of a progression item
vale tendon
oh sick, btw a lot of the gateways are still bugged no?
vale tendon
but it gives you neptunium and stuff when you finish it, instead of a progressio...
oooo that sounds amazing
pulsar lodge
oh sick, btw a lot of the gateways are still bugged no?
most of the base ones still have problems yes
chilly ibex
oh sick, btw a lot of the gateways are still bugged no?
it's not exactly "bugs" but more of an issue with gamestages and the different difficulties you unlock and the mobs that come with them
vale tendon
it's not exactly "bugs" but more of an issue with gamestages and the different d...
i dont think thats true since i finished end and i still cant do the emerald gateway for farm animals
chilly ibex
it's definitely not intended either way
vale tendon
i rlly shouldnt have any mobs unaccessible at this point i think
chilly ibex
why do you need to farm animals through gateways? drygmy farms exist
vale tendon
just wanted a barn lol
pulsar lodge
why do you need to farm animals through gateways? drygmy farms exist
practicality be damned
chilly ibex
lol
vale tendon
i love utility-based gameplay, but animals add some nicety to a place thats just torn apart by machinery and whatnot lol
all i got rn are 12 rats fishing for neptunium
chilly ibex
i've seen someone with 20 rats fishing lmao
vale tendon
and 20 is prob insufficient too lol
chilly ibex
who knows
vale tendon
true
chilly ibex
hope the gateways are worth it for neptunium
vale tendon
i hope the gateway is hard if its for neptunium ngl
post-end combat is practically non-existent since the gear outpaces at enemies except maybe dragons (until u get some dragonsteel armor)
chilly ibex
dragons are weaker than most bosses if you exclude the dragon breath
vale tendon
progression wise, i feel like the modpack evolves from an adventure modpack to a tech-heavy modpack after you break through end. not sure if that was the intent
wheat yoke
Is there a way i can make a tinker weapon that outshines the Sharp X Dreadscythe you get?
chilly ibex
after you do the eyes, there's not a lot of exploration
vale tendon
Is there a way i can make a tinker weapon that outshines the Sharp X Dreadscythe...
nope xD. wdym u get? o,o
wheat yoke
nope xD. wdym u get? o,o
Quest reward
chilly ibex
Is there a way i can make a tinker weapon that outshines the Sharp X Dreadscythe...
a lot of mid-game tinker's weapons outclass the dreadscythe completely
vale tendon
after you do the eyes, there's not a lot of exploration
except outer space i suppose, but thats largely in pursuit of mats for tech
vale tendon
Quest reward
which one?
wheat yoke
a lot of mid-game tinker's weapons outclass the dreadscythe completely
mid-game already?
chilly ibex
osgloglas and chromatic steel, blizz enderium too
wheat yoke
which one?
1000 day Challenge
vale tendon
btw tray, u were so right about chromatic steel. def a pinnacle material
chilly ibex
dreadscythe is early game
wheat yoke
osgloglas and chromatic steel, blizz enderium too
CCan you show me an example? I'm really bad at tinker
vale tendon
dreadscythe is early game
we are talking about the one that takes dreadsteel right? one of each dragonsteel ingot?
neat cedar
I super invested into a osoglas cs sword when I feel like I should have made a cleaver
chilly ibex
CCan you show me an example? I'm really bad at tinker
i don't feel like loading my game but generally using osgloglas for the head part and chromatic steel for the plate or even handles is good enough
neat cedar
I'm hitting 200 DMG crits with osol/blizz/chromatic so imagining it with higher DMG scaling
chilly ibex
cleavers are really the best weapon type :/
neat cedar
I'm wondering if scythes might be good with the goety glove
chilly ibex
goety glove?
vale tendon
i don't feel like loading my game but generally using osgloglas for the head par...
if ur making cleaver, i personally really like blizz enderium since it does freeze & 2x damage for burned enemies - add a flame modifier
vale tendon
cleavers are really the best weapon type :/
but katanas are cooool xD
neat cedar
There's a goety glove that increases atk speed for scythes by 50 percent
wheat yoke
i don't feel like loading my game but generally using osgloglas for the head par...
Any specific upgrades/abilites you'd use on that?
neat cedar
if ur making cleaver, i personally really like blizz enderium since it does free...
okay but consider the other passive that just increases stats by 25% across the board for free
wheat yoke
sharp, swift strike
What for final endgame?
vale tendon
okay but consider the other passive that just increases stats by 25% across the ...
which mat is that? osglo?
neat cedar
I mean modifiers seem to matter less than the inherent effects of your mats
neat cedar
which mat is that? osglo?
blizz enderium
vale tendon
blizz enderium
oh from metamorphium? true
chilly ibex
I mean modifiers seem to matter less than the inherent effects of your mats
some cases, yes...others no
neat cedar
metamorphium increases by DPS by like 40%
neat cedar
some cases, yes...others no
for weapons it seems crucial
vale tendon
btw tray, is there no dragonsteel for tinkers melee? i didnt see it in the encyclopedia
neat cedar
don't think so
chilly ibex
if it's not there, then it's not there
vale tendon
mm fair enough lol
chilly ibex
adam said he had plans for it, and dreadsteel too i think?
neat cedar
dude 720 mb of densium LOL
neat cedar
I mean does densium not outclass osgloglas
chilly ibex
densium isn't expensive
vale tendon
i made two tool handles and it ate through material
chilly ibex
it's not expensive at all, you just need a lot of cheap materials
iridium is the most annoying to get but once you have an ore, you can easily get more
the one thing i won't say is cheap is dragonsteel or the mekanism tinker's materials obviously
neat cedar
how much osmium and refined obby is it
vale tendon
iridium is the most annoying to get but once you have an ore, you can easily get...
honestly the iridium or osmium wasnt the issue, it was the obsidian that kept getting burnt through. perhaps expensive wasnt the best choice of words, but its a pain lol
chilly ibex
you had issues with obsidian? :/ i had a farm for it long before i planned to use densium
vale tendon
you had issues with obsidian? :/ i had a farm for it long before i planned to us...
how do u farm obby?
chilly ibex
it's a thermal machine
chilly ibex
literally just
i had a lava farm and i kinda just build onto it with magma crucible for obby
neat cedar
I have looked, I was wondering if there was some non recipe interaction I missed
granite void
blizz enderium
what part of the cleaver would you make out of it?
neat cedar
Whys that?
chilly ibex
broad blade goes to osgo
neat cedar
i don't like blizz enderium's handle stats
granite void
both handles?
neat cedar
you get like
40 atk SP and 20 DMG from both handles I think
with cs
it DOES stack with two handles right??
chilly ibex
yea
neat cedar
yeah yuge
granite void
man that's a lot of CS for me, having a hard time finding the Blitz and Blizz for it
chilly ibex
i'd love to see the Tinker's Planner mod from 1.16.5 get ported......
neat cedar
man that's a lot of CS for me, having a hard time finding the Blitz and Blizz fo...
drygmy farm
chilly ibex
blitz - savanna
blizz - any cold
granite void
blitz - savanna
blizz - any cold
alright, thanks
neat cedar
blitz - savanna
blizz - any cold
have we tried basalz signalum?
the I frame cut seems cool
chilly ibex
heh?
neat cedar
Short Circuit removes I frames on hit
chilly ibex
hm
neat cedar
alternatively tectonic shards does blizz enderium DMG but when player is on fire
chilly ibex
does basalz signalum require blazing blood to melt down?
chilly ibex
thought so
neat cedar
WOAH
chilly ibex
@pulsar lodge would you guys consider this??
neat cedar
INSTALLING RN
pulsar lodge
i will convince adam to add this
pulsar lodge
i have only used in enigmatica 6 but damn is it awesome
chilly ibex
please convince adam
we need this in the base pack
yes it's client side but it's a GOD SEND
i really hope it shows the custom modifiers
chilly ibex
INSTALLING RN
if you already have it, can you check for custom modfiers??
urban drift
What is this pack
neat cedar
wait do cleavers only have 2 upgrade slots?
pulsar lodge
stacked sword
chilly ibex
oh, cleaver
pulsar lodge
chilly ibex
nvm
pulsar lodge
how do tantrum modifiers look in the selector i want to know
neat cedar
tantrum?
chilly ibex
which ones are tantrum modifiers?
chilly ibex
gimme a couple names to look for
pulsar lodge
overmending, veinmining, overcharging, ferromagnetic
chilly ibex
ah yea, they're here 🙂
pulsar lodge
how they look, does it like show the icons
pulsar lodge
yummy :)
neat cedar
do i just use
chilly ibex
it's beautiful
pulsar lodge
mm
mellow mason
tbh there's just not enough options for rings
pulsar lodge
by chest ability to gen slime do you mean overcharging?
pulsar lodge
i would figure it's either that or overmend
neat cedar
unfortunately blueprint isnt compat with armory
pulsar lodge
but unfortunately they won't work
neat cedar
yeah overcharging
pulsar lodge
overcharge and overmend specifically look at your vanilla "equipment slots"
so they don't factor in curios at all
neat cedar
will this be implemented friend :)
pulsar lodge
i could add compat but it might be broken as heck
neat cedar
i mean its like
pulsar lodge
for overcharge i guess it would be ok though
kinda don't want to do it for overmend
mm then again it would be fine probably
chilly ibex
was there a way to remove a modifier in the planner?
pulsar lodge
ok i will look into adding curio reading for overcharge and overmend when tinkers' jewelry is installed
might not do it for next update but maybe i will
still cooking some big cursed and cool things for tantrum atm
neat cedar
what is tantrum looking to add @pulsar lodge
pulsar lodge
uh
neat cedar
cause i would kill for a free modifier for enderio staff of travelling
pulsar lodge
cool stuff that we could not do without code
mm
i don't know about a slotless one
that is a strong capability
i could make it an ability though
pulsar lodge
god but it will have to cost something
and it's usually RF so i would have to add an RF-holding modifier then
or i could just make it like, damage the tool
neat cedar
either or since there is a lot of stuff with inherent rf storage
chilly ibex
is primordial strength supposed to not show the added damage?
pulsar lodge
yeah that thing is coded strangely
chilly ibex
maybe a modifier for crit?
pulsar lodge
uh wdym
chilly ibex
like, increasing crit chance?
neat cedar
man i wish blitz lumium wasn't broken
neat cedar
like, increasing crit chance?
PLEASE
chilly ibex
i wanna use daggers but man, bosses have so much armor and piercing doesn't help at all
pulsar lodge
there's no random crits i'm pretty sure
neat cedar
how does apoth do it?
pulsar lodge
oh wait no maybe we do have them
chilly ibex
was gonna say, apotheosis adds random crits
pulsar lodge
uhh i would have to figure out what mod is adding them
pulsar lodge
i know apothatt does have stats
but they could just be nonfunctional
unlikely but you never know
neat cedar
okay this is what i've devised
i was comparing stats with my own weapon and i'm wondering how much metamorphium will buff it
eternal flame
do yall recommend tinkers armor with 2 pc chormatic steel maille and 2 pc iridium maille
dragonsteel plate
chilly ibex
i mean, it's one or the other
the one thing i don't like about tinker's planner is...no armor planning
eternal flame
so i should do either all chromatic steel or all iridium?
eternal flame
okay thanks
chilly ibex
iridium doesn't look that great
vague shuttle
Why is it only tier 3 mana boost and regen? Seen people with tier 4
vague shuttle
ah so like "pyromancer set" thingie?
neat cedar
yeah
you need all four for set bonus as well but each piece will give one more level of enchants
timid granite
Any matter manipulator experts here, looking at the builds here and they seem to...
I feel like if you have at least one piece of osglo you're good, I assume a lot of it is mainly for the global traveler so you don't have to worry about your inv filling up
warm star
is there a theoretical best master-tier melee weapon?
best i'm seeing is densium handle with antimatter blade
neat cedar
so from testing with two nearly identical weapons, it feels as though cleaver and sword perform at around the same level.
what's interesting to see is that the dps on the sword is higher due to its faster swings when quelled/activated compared to empowered due to how empowered waves work.
empowered cleaver dps
empowered sword dps
activated sword dps
activated cleaver dps
that being said, the crits on the cleaver are so mega giga high for no reason
to be honest what might be the strongest could be the katana since it has four material slots but that's to be seen
deep wharf
so from testing with two nearly identical weapons, it feels as though cleaver an...
damn what parts do u have on that?
granite void
how do you even get it to do that much damage?
mellow mason
Wait a minute
I think I’m misunderstanding what antimatter armor does
There’s no way having four parts makes you invulnerable, so it has to be multiplicative if it does what I think it does at all
But… does it not…
Does a set of all antimatter plating and maille make you just take 1/16th damage from everything
chilly ibex
i don't think that's how it works...
mellow mason
Yeah it can’t be
But I don’t know
chilly ibex
i highly doubt it all stacks with each other
brave haven
Hello !
I have a question
Is there a way to increase our iron's spell mana with tinker ?
pulsar lodge
Hello !
I have a question
Is there a way to increase our iron's spell mana wit...
there's modifiers from construct's casting
brave haven
i see thx ! have a great day !
brave haven
here why is one upgrade I and the other II ?
and is there a way to upgrade and upgrade ?
pulsar lodge
here why is one upgrade I and the other II ?
and is there a way to upgrade and ...
what
i mean i can assume this is on like, a sword or something, yes?
in this version of tinkers, traits have level stacking
so if you have 2 parts with the same trait at level 1, building a tool with both will make it level 2
if this does not answer your question, your question needs some rewording, it is difficult to understand what you're trying to ask.
brave haven
no you are answering to my question ! thx ( sorry for the wording im new to this mod)
rocky stump
so from testing with two nearly identical weapons, it feels as though cleaver an...
how's your attack speed so high on the cleaver?
neat cedar
how's your attack speed so high on the cleaver?
chromatic steel lets you switch through modes where empowered increases atk speed and makes you shoot elemental waves(lower DPS actually lol)
that being said, my cleaver swings as fast as a regular sword too 1.6
stiff vessel
You can't recoup TC components, can you?
stiff vessel
Right, but that dude in main chat was talking about Densium being in the nether and it was raising my bs flag
covert heron
Anyone know the best sword/ cleaver pre-osmium? Havent gone to that dimension yet and my swords a bit ehh
patent viper
Get a whole bunch of ichor and melt it with a blaze or two that you captured
but melt the ichor in the Foundry, not the smeltery
stiff vessel
tinker's planner reborn is your best friend
What is this?
fickle barn
i have like 2 upgrades of magic prot lmao
neat cedar
What is this?
client side mod that lets you make a prospective tool with all materials
neat cedar
okay this is what i've devised
this was me prototyping with the mod
neat cedar
Anyone know the best sword/ cleaver pre-osmium? Havent gone to that dimension ye...
invar is your best bet. it has 2.5 ATK DMG and can scale up to have +9 extra damage anywhere that isn't a tundra/nether
wheat yoke
so from testing with two nearly identical weapons, it feels as though cleaver an...
Wouldnt densium be better instead of osglo?
neat cedar
invar is your best bet. it has 2.5 ATK DMG and can scale up to have +9 extra dam...
generally looking at around 15-2 0 DMG with a normal sword
neat cedar
Wouldnt densium be better instead of osglo?
I'm going to spend 720 refined obsidian and osmium on a cleaver I'm not sure will be good.
wheat yoke
I'm going to spend 720 refined obsidian and osmium on a cleaver I'm not sure wil...
Ah sorry, thought this was test world testing.
neat cedar
it's a negligible damage difference especially with mek mats on the horizon
wheat yoke
it's a negligible damage difference especially with mek mats on the horizon
When? :o
neat cedar
Ah sorry, thought this was test world testing.
testing the mats w/ tiplanner then I made it
when I get to making a fission reactor
wheat yoke
when I get to making a fission reactor
What would you be using from mek for the cleaver?
stiff vessel
lol
wheat yoke
Yeah antimatter feels like a no-no to me
neat cedar
any upgrades at this point are negligible since my DPS is as high as it'll probably get
wheat yoke
As long as rage gloves are as they are DPS is negligible anyway isnt it?
neat cedar
maybe I do rage glove dagger no iframe build but basalz signalum seems broken
the reason why rage gloves are b strong is because of the way mce2 is balanced
wheat yoke
Why does everyone use Rageglove with dagger tho?
neat cedar
where you are taking 99% of your HP as DMG anyway
more atks==more stacks for the infinitely stacking DMG buff
wheat yoke
I guesse that makes sense
Wouldnt antimatter work pretty well then? Pumping yourself to 1 HP to activate the rageglove atk speed
neat cedar
realistically I should use it but I cba getting rid of my pickaxe smelter
stiff vessel
Out of curiosity, have you tried making a Dual Wield cleaver build?
neat cedar
Wouldnt antimatter work pretty well then? Pumping yourself to 1 HP to activate t...
the way the anti one shot works is that it doesn't allow your hp to go below half a heart in a single attack. hitting twice with the antimatter weapon if it DOES self harm would kill you instantly
wheat yoke
Fair
neat cedar
Out of curiosity, have you tried making a Dual Wield cleaver build?
seems like a waste, I'd rather a parry modifier dagger
wheat yoke
parry modifier?
neat cedar
I'm going to spend 720 refined obsidian and osmium on a cleaver I'm not sure wil...
additionally the spirit of this test was to see which weapon type is better
neat cedar
parry modifier?
after an attack with a dagger there is a brief window where you block incoming DMG
wheat yoke
How do you add that?
neat cedar
I forget, dagger exclusive
anyway pre nether full invar cleaver/katana 3 swift strike then sharpness and post add manyllyn sword head
work into chromatic/osloglas
actually less swift strike for a emerald
covert heron
Looking at nahuatl handle, blaze nether handle, man plate man blade but its so slow
vale tendon
Why does everyone use Rageglove with dagger tho?
rageglove increases attack and attack speed per consecutive attack. w/ daggers that focus on high attack speed, it just works super well
vale tendon
Out of curiosity, have you tried making a Dual Wield cleaver build?
cleaver is a two handed wep, how could u dual wield
vale tendon
Yeah antimatter feels like a no-no to me
it seems like such a pain to make. i dont want to get into nuclear energy just to make a bit of anti-matter
wheat yoke
it seems like such a pain to make. i dont want to get into nuclear energy just t...
We have anti matter in our base on our server already. But the self damage chance just doesnt seem worth it
wheat yoke
From how i understand it explodes both you and the enemy
vale tendon
oh interesting...
btw era, im working on a cleaver, mind giving ur input?
densium blade, osglo and iridium handles, cs plate
vale tendon
ah gotcha
wheat yoke
not sure if my input is useful
vale tendon
no trouble
wheat yoke
Seems decent tho
vale tendon
ive gone from hater to enthusiast but still working things out
im thinking about swapping out the iridium handle - its really bringing down the attack speed which sucks. maybe blizz enderium - capitalize on the extra attack speed and metamorphium
neat cedar
rageglove increases attack and attack speed per consecutive attack. w/ daggers t...
only attack damage ATK speed roid is from HP loss
neat cedar
which should only be a damage steroid?
it stacks infinitely a % DMG increase dealt and received
tough sand
yeah it doesnt increase attack speed per consecutive hit, the 2nd ability is regen, atk speed and movement speed based on missing hp
neat cedar
does second ability still make ur screen tweak tf out
vale tendon
oh the first one then
each attack made within 3 seconds after the last accumulate a charge (along w/ damage taken), which increases damage dealt
neat cedar
movement speed.
vale tendon
and dealt damage
hybrid flint
whats the best sword/pickaxe/armor combo you can get before nether?
vale tendon
can this be improved?
granite void
how do you get more modifiers on a tinker's tool?
wheat star
What's a good combo for early game/pre nether
I acquired guns from the create mod, now I wanna get a decent cleaver/tools and armour, though I'd ask here
hybrid flint
I acquired guns from the create mod, now I wanna get a decent cleaver/tools and ...
i did this
brass handle,rosegold binding and amethyst bronze head, can be made as a hammer too
Gotta make armor/cleaver but no idea yet
urban drift
How can I get more lvls of defense modifier? I see I can only get 2 more but then I won't have lvl 5 melee prot
ember vine
i did this
could you provide a pic of the modifiers?
thorny bramble
im early expert mode and currently using the blade of the blahaj and need smt new any suggestions?
mighty estuary
I love playing the bow and arrow route. Now I know tinkers no longer makes arrows but what’s a great combo for a bow? We are in the nether now.
chilly ibex
bows aren't THAT great, although i've seen one that's pretty decent
mighty estuary
Yeah I’ve gathered it’s not the best ranged route, I’m not big into the guns and it’s how I’ve always played is all.
marble zenith
Is anti matter worth it for armor? Should I do chromatic and anti matter, chromatic and dragonsteel, or wait to do chromatic and an end amterial?
chilly ibex
Is anti matter worth it for armor? Should I do chromatic and anti matter, chroma...
anti-matter is theoretically the best material but not worth doing
marble zenith
What do you suggest then? Is densium worth it?
chilly ibex
it's higher base stats than osgloglas so y e s
marble zenith
so chromatic and densium or densium and something else?
chilly ibex
chromatic steel is realistically one of the best materials for the RF storage
marble zenith
yeah i have dragonsteel and chromatic im just trying to see if anythings better
chilly ibex
dragonsteel is best armor material
marble zenith
just cause of its base stats or are the modifers it gives good? idk what they do
ductile and dragon scales
chilly ibex
stats mainly
marble zenith
sounds good
mellow mason
i highly doubt it all stacks with each other
Tested it, full antimatter does in fact make you take almost no damage, even without upgrades. Not sure if it's .75^8 or .5^4, but it's hard to test and I'm lazy
chilly ibex
that's really OP but again, not worth sadly
mellow mason
I’m gonna assume full empowered acs is almost as op
chilly ibex
i mean yea....it prevents 20% damage plus more stuff
neat cedar
I mean antimatter is worth i think
You can rely on the high damage reduction and do chromatic plating and antimatter maille
it'll take ten years but you'll get there eventuakly
marble zenith
does the antimatter explosion blow up blocks tho?
thin wharf
does the antimatter explosion blow up blocks tho?
Claim the chunks first and it shouldn't
marble zenith
thanks!
mellow mason
I don’t think it ever does?
brittle warren
What materials do you guys use for your armor?
neat cedar
chromatic steel
prog is bronze -> cobalt -> chromatic steel -> chromatic + dragonsteel
chilly ibex
blaze netherite should be in there after cobalt imo
steady vortex
what is the best sword combot you can do in MCE2?
neat cedar
blaze netherite should be in there after cobalt imo
this seems like a waste of mats when you can jump immediately to chromatic
chilly ibex
it's hardly a waste
neat cedar
i'm not seeing its value aside from a higher toughness value. you're econing the same amount of upgrade slots by getting natural melee prot w/ cobalt as you are netherite on blaze neth
24 blaze netherite that could go towards a chromatic set seems wasteful
carmine fractal
you can always recycle the set and get back the materials
chilly ibex
it doesn't work like that
you can't melt down full tools/armor for the materials back
pulsar lodge
you can scrap at a part builder, but that only recovers one part
chilly ibex
how's that work?
pulsar lodge
tool at part builder
you can pick one of the parts
you can take it, but the tool gets destroyed
pulsar lodge
well now you do
chilly ibex
would a modifier for breathing in ad astra space with tinker's armor be possible?
pulsar lodge
it would be possible
but doesn't astra not have like a space breathing enchantment
or have i just not looked at it that hard
chilly ibex
not that i know of? unless i'm blind
last lintel
Doesn't "Oxygenated" do that?
chilly ibex
isn't that for water breathing?
pulsar lodge
oh right
the uh i think tinkers' integrations and tweaks mod adds astra materials as tool materials
last lintel
isn't that for water breathing?
its from the space materials tho
last lintel
the uh i think tinkers' integrations and tweaks mod adds astra materials as tool...
this
pulsar lodge
idk what those do
last lintel
yeah but it means making into a modifer should be ez pz if desired
chilly ibex
yea, i don't think anyone's going to waste the maille slot just to breath in space
chilly ibex
yeah but it means making into a modifer should be ez pz if desired
btw i've been adding stuff to the spreadsheet that we've missed and i'm probably still missing materials/traits
last lintel
btw i've been adding stuff to the spreadsheet that we've missed and i'm probably...
I'm free from my chains but recovering and catching up on other stuff
anything major change in the formatting while i was MIA?
chilly ibex
no, pretty much the same
just adding and changing things
it's hard to tell what's missing at this point
pulsar lodge
the uh i think tinkers' integrations and tweaks mod adds astra materials as tool...
i found astra's main method that handles breathing stuff https://github.com/terrarium-earth/Ad-Astra/blob/bfa70ac3db6dca1c02ed6fad5be62649b2c23906/common/src/main/java/earth/terrarium/adastra/common/systems/OxygenApiImpl.java#L70
looking down the chain at SpaceSuitItem static methods, i would need a mixin to do it cleanly, as i did with ferromagnetic
chilly ibex
so it shouldn't be too hard to do since you've already done it once?
pulsar lodge
i mean it wouldn't be
i just don't really want to like, tamper with astra's balance
though i suppose it would be fine if it were a much later thing
chilly ibex
that's fair but ad astra is super boring right now and havig to swap armor sets JUST to go mining for a few minutes doesn't feel intuitive
pulsar lodge
i just don't really want to like, tamper with astra's balance
what i'm concerned about is mostly tinker gear with the breathing modifier overshadowing the astra suits in all regards
which is why it being a later thing is fine, because if it's an option you unlock later then they've served most of their purpose
the jet suit would also still have its niche of the whole jetpack function i think
chilly ibex
ad astra armor sets have no purpose other than allowing you to breath in space for the most part......making the modifier require an item from late game ad astra would be fine i think, like calorite if there's nothing later
jet suit is nice though i'll say
last lintel
what i'm concerned about is mostly tinker gear with the breathing modifier overs...
make the modifer require an alloy using one of each of the oxygenated items.
chilly ibex
maybe make it require a whole jetsuit chest piece or somethin?
pulsar lodge
i don't want to make it require jet suit items if it won't have jet suit functions
because that would be a lot to add
probably just calorite or such as a core part would be good
coarse vigil
So if i make an activated Chromatic steel maille then i just need to power my armor to keep it unbreakable?
pulsar lodge
what about the netherite variant?
netherite space protection could be an upgrade
or theoretically it could just require the netherite modifier
could also be a builtin property
though i think for customization reasons it makes sense to do one of the first two
tantrum is designed for MCE2, but i do want it to be usable and flexible outside of it
chilly ibex
makes sense
ember vine
anyone got any recommendations for a Normal Mode tinker's armor set?
past drift
anyone got any recommendations for a Normal Mode tinker's armor set?
manasteel plate
marble zenith
so from testing with two nearly identical weapons, it feels as though cleaver an...
what parts did you use this for?
carmine fractal
Probably osgloglas blade, enderium plate, chromatic steel and osgloglas tough tool handles
marble zenith
should i do a densium handle instead if osglo?
carmine fractal
Maybe? Idk if the massive speed penalty is worth it
marble zenith
fair
stiff vessel
So do I just need a wet sponge to remove traits?
pulsar lodge
So do I just need a wet sponge to remove traits?
wet sponge and a slime crystal, dependent on the type of modifier you want to remove
stiff vessel
Severing
pulsar lodge
the tinkers' gadgetry book has some details on the specifics atm
there's also a JEI tab
but the crystal is dependent on slot type
deep wharf
How can I increase my max defense slots on my armour?
fickle barn
How can I increase my max defense slots on my armour?
telecore + 2 blocks of scarlet and azure neodymium
theres also a rebalance for defence slots
deep wharf
telecore + 2 blocks of scarlet and azure neodymium
is that all there is?
urban drift
There are 2 defend upgrades can't remember which, but look at encyclopedia of tinker
Helped me a lot to see which updates are good how can boost my slots in armor
deep wharf
I never messed with tinkers this much so all my knowledge comes from here lmao
so far so good 
chilly ibex
i think so, not sure tho
yea, there's only one trait that gives an extra defense slot afaik
fickle barn
pulsar lodge
only one that is strictly defense slot
chilly ibex
we should get one more at least...
pulsar lodge
as mentioned rebalanced defense is an option
chilly ibex
oh, sure
pulsar lodge
and the mekanism atomic alloy modifier from TAdv says it is supposed to give a defense slot
those are definitely quite high tier compared to the first though
chilly ibex
i don't remember if it actually does or not
pulsar lodge
could be worth adding another that's around midgame
just a matter of finding the right flavor for it
fickle barn
and the mekanism atomic alloy modifier from TAdv says it is supposed to give a d...
quad singularity + 256k does also say it gives both upgrade and ability but it only gives upgrade
pulsar lodge
quad singularity + 256k does also say it gives both upgrade and ability but it o...
yeah it does i changed it to ability for next patch tho
oh there will also be edging technology in next patch
since it gives 1 of every slot now because funny
fickle barn
would be funny if the rat token could be used as a modifer
chilly ibex
pulsar lodge
oh my god
that would be so goddamn expensive
but also like, rats bonus slot is a good thread
fickle barn
the token that opens the portal that is
pulsar lodge
i'm already planning on adding oratchalcum for tinkers
fickle barn
not the icon of ratlantis thing
fickle barn
the token that opens the portal that is
after all, you do win the lottery by getting it :)))
chilly ibex
just a matter of finding the right flavor for it
for an early game defense slot modifier, use various ingots and call the modifier "Dwarven Delight" or something?
sounds good on paper
fickle barn
if the portal token would be too cheap
an equally funny would be the neo-ratlanteans psionic brain
holds so much knowledge it is enough to grant an extra ...
pulsar lodge
for an early game defense slot modifier, use various ingots and call the modifie...
would probably be like alloys or something, and i could call it alloyance
fickle barn
pulsar lodge
holds so much knowledge it is enough to grant an extra ...
oooh actually i might do that
probably not for defense though
pulsar lodge
maybe
chilly ibex
would probably be like alloys or something, and i could call it `alloyance` <:ra...
yeaaa that works lmao
fickle barn
gives more incentive for players to visit the magnificence that is ratlantis
||lowkey hoping for some funny use for the ratcubes||
marble zenith
whats the best fluid for matter manipulators?
chilly ibex
blazing blood probably
neat cedar
should i do a densium handle instead if osglo?
may we look at densium and realize that it doesn't give extra dense(stat boost) unless it's a head part 
thorn dome
Is there Looting for Tinkers Weapons I cant seem to find a Upgrade for it
marble zenith
may we look at densium and realize that it doesn't give extra dense(stat boost) ...
yeah i did osglo
past drift
Is there Looting for Tinkers Weapons I cant seem to find a Upgrade for it
"lucky"
patent viper
tool at part builder
Lol. Does that work with Bows?
pulsar lodge
it should work for most things
exotic pebble
What are best parts for a cleaver?
clear matrix
interestingly, and maybe my fault if this is the case, primordial strength II (the second level) is not adding any damage to my cleaver. I can only wonder if thats because I already have sharpestest as well?
this is what it looks like, decided to just add a lil bit of swiftstrike to it, not that 25% of a 0.9 speed did much, but better than prim stre II not doing anything
pulsar lodge
interestingly, and maybe my fault if this is the case, primordial strength II (t...
it adds it to the final damage on hit, it's weird.
clear matrix
rip, maybe after I get those singularity upgrades in the future lol
I've spent so long trying to optimize my weapon, anyone got a solid master difficulty tier set up for tools? I still have expert diff set ups for them
neat cedar
I've spent so long trying to optimize my weapon, anyone got a solid master diffi...
densium handle is super griefiny you I'd rec chromatic or Oslo if you really wanted. the only real master tier upgrade for weapons is a irradium blade
clear matrix
densium handle is super griefiny you I'd rec chromatic or Oslo if you really wan...
it drops like 8-10 damage with either of those handles, for not that much atkspe, and with the % inc from rage gloves it ramps really big off just 3-4 swings. Unless you meant for tools specifically.
neat cedar
it drops like 8-10 damage with either of those handles, for not that much atkspe...
it should be increasing your attack speed by a .5 minimum?
the sweet spot is 1.5-2
this is considering haste/echoing
clear matrix
its already got 1 osg handle, and i replaced the acs handle with another dens one once I got the mats, trade off was like .3 atkspe i think
neat cedar
seems like it should be more severe than that but either way the biggest upgrade is just
clear matrix
That was before I put swiftstrike tho, so maybe worth now? 
clear matrix
for mining tools, Im just throwing osglog handles on everything, whats the new best head material if you know?
chilly ibex
osgloglas is the best head part
neat cedar
this is what it looks like, decided to just add a lil bit of swiftstrike to it, ...
actually considering this, I feel like two osloglas handles + densium head is the best tool
chilly ibex
you're forgetting chromatic steel
neat cedar
he said he doesn't want it and I kinda get it since extra dense is free stats here
clear matrix
i just dont see what acs adds to the weapon, its already on armor, is there something to the trait im not seeing / or being blinded by raw stats?
i guess the empowered stuff, never charged the weapon so I never considered it...
neat cedar
more for the convenience of never needing to repair
chilly ibex
extra damage too
neat cedar
empowered is actually less dps
on cata bosses at least due to their super strange damage cap
neat cedar
new weapon tech
it has similar dps to the cleaver (which considering cata dmg caps is the best weapon) but can one shot most common mobs
clear matrix
Anyone know what empowered vs activated does for armor pieces?
Assuming, if nothing else is different it is just: Activated consumes most power for biggest effect, empowered less so and quelled none?
neat cedar
activated grants a 5% chance to block an attack entirely, empowered does that + up to 20% damage reduction based on power drained
exotic pebble
whats best materials for weapons?
chilly ibex
yea, that heavily depends on what you want
jaunty loom
i have 7 upgrade slots on my sword, is it worth to just go full quartz, or add amethyst for speed
chilly ibex
i mean, always go sharp
shrewd compass
Is there any way to prevent mob spawns in a large area? Like the mega torch?
deep wharf
brazier
patent viper
this is what it looks like, decided to just add a lil bit of swiftstrike to it, ...
What materials did you use?
And for what
clear matrix
What materials did you use?
In pic:
densium handle
Osglog handle
Blitz end large plate
Densium blade
At the advice of the others I switched the densium handle for activated chromatic steel. It went from 55 damage to 40ish, but went up to like 1.55 atk speed and with feral claw giving 0.4 that’s pretty nutty. Also now that I remembered you can give power to the acs trait it’s actually really strong, way more dps
patent viper
Sounds about Strong enough for now, currently not having any Sword since I accidentally dropped it mid Fire Guy Bossfigh in the Nether. Now I need a replacement until I can make the Scythe
Also, does the Cleaver get the Sweepy Edge or the Combat Mod movement or is it a One Swing One Hit Weapon like the Axe?
fickle barn
whats the best fluid for matter manipulators?
Quartz is decent i think
fickle barn
In pic:
densium handle
Osglog handle
Blitz end large plate
Densium blade
At the...
Osloglass blade, b.enderium plate, active chromium and voltaic rods any good?
exotic pebble
UHH
neat cedar
looks about right w/o feral or rage I hit 1.2k
neat cedar
Also, does the Cleaver get the Sweepy Edge or the Combat Mod movement or is it a...
cleaver gets greatsword animations two swings into a downward slam
patent viper
cleaver gets greatsword animations two swings into a downward slam
So it is like Sweepy Edge?
neat cedar
idk i dont even think the enchant applies w/ better combat
stone summit
currently i have myself a stack of netherite scrap. should i make manyullin armor/weapons? or is there a better option to try and go for with armor and weapons?
currently still running around with manasteel armor/tools so i am in very much need of a solid upgrade
sharp flame
Best sword for expert mode?
shrewd compass
Is there a way to keep a campfire burning for longer?
thick nacelle
You can find campfire's that burn forever in the wild
bring one home with a cardboard box
sterile hull
cant you put magma cream on it to do that too tho
stiff vessel
So out of curiosity, are there any plans for creating a build section on that spreadsheet. There used to be an old tinker's spreadsheet for MCE1 that had builds for beginning, mid-tier, and endgame
stone summit
For general combat, would it be better to go for Blaze-Netherrite? Or Manyulin for the main plating?
This is for early expert
chilly ibex
blizz enderium is good for melee
chilly ibex
So out of curiosity, are there any plans for creating a build section on that sp...
interesting idea..... @hollow vine
hollow vine
Builds? Like smeltery examples or what?
stone summit
Equipment builds
hollow vine
ohhhh
Hmm, I like the idea, but people should still be able to be creative with their tools and not just follow a preset
So maybe we could do materials that compliment each other
or work well together
neat cedar
material spotlights for mats that are good or stay relevant
i.e. invar for weapons / bronze for tools
stone summit
blizz enderium is good for melee
Good to know.
As the main plate material? Or the maille?
chilly ibex
As the main plate material? Or the maille?
well, blizz enderium increases the stats based on the durability lost, up to 25%...for weapons it'd obviously increase the overall damage
rocky stump
As the main plate material? Or the maille?
Maille
Blizz Enderium stats are very lackluster
we use it solely for the metamorphium trait
For the main plating, go for blaze netherite, or activated chromatic steel if you can
manyullyn armor is meh
more of a weapon blade material
stone summit
Gotcha. Activated chromatic steel is still a far ways off. Havent really done much of the tech stuff yet. As for enderium, ill have to look for a good method to get ender pearls I guess?
chilly ibex
Gotcha. Activated chromatic steel is still a far ways off. Havent really done mu...
find one enderman and throw it in drygmy farm
stone summit
Oh, is that what ars drygmy's are for?
Never really used ars much so i didnt know that was a thing
chilly ibex
basically a mob farm
chilly ibex
@hollow vine does resurrected give ability or regular modifier? someone posted a comment for it on the spreadsheet and now i'm questioning it
i could've sworn it was ability
past drift
I think I remember one thing having a wrong description and giving something else and also Emper updated a thing for next patch. But don't remember what names the stuff had.
chilly ibex
resurrected, not edging technology
past drift
I think Emper also did something besides that one
chilly ibex
resurrected uses an end crystal, and i swear it gives an ability slot
chilly ibex
sigh, i'm just gonna have to test
didn't really wanna pull my game up for 5 seconds
ok it IS upgrade...
pulsar lodge
the only ability bonuses in base tcon are draconic and ability rebalanced
hollow vine
<@614864076501417985> does resurrected give ability or regular modifier? someone...
regular upgrade
lethal birch
not exactly a fave combo more just looking for advice on how to improve, im at expert world atm still early on tho looking for some higher damage out put with high attack speed idealy atm getting 30ish dps
chilly ibex
not exactly a fave combo more just looking for advice on how to improve, im at e...
first step on improving is hitting F3 + H to disable tooltips.....
second step is to replace invar handle with blizz enderium
lethal birch
oki
topaz vale
Where is the tinkers spreadsheet for MCE2? i cant find it here
lethal birch
#📘-tips
topaz vale
Arigato goyzimazu
thorn dome
whats a decent Expert, Tinkers armor, weapon and Pickaxe?
chilly ibex
whats a decent Expert, Tinkers armor, weapon and Pickaxe?
tinker's armor you wanna go for chromatic steel plating with cobalt maille.
as for the weapon, you would want a manyullyn head part with blizz enderium handle or large plate depending on what weapon
chromatic steel works too, but you'd need a way to charge RF for that
thorn dome
do I also need RF for the Chromatic Steel armor ?
thorn dome
oh sorry my bad, since I read it as you mentioning it specifically for the weapon and not the armor
chilly ibex
chromatic steel for armor is good too though
it's honestly one of the better materials despite being obtained early nether
pretty much unanimous that chromatic steel is the best maille outside of super late game stuff if you want to min-max with anti-matter
thorn dome
how do I get the 4 Materials to make Chromatic Steel, Jei dosent help me a lot tbh (might also just me being a dumbass)
pulsar lodge
i think the ingot forms are what you want to make
thorn dome
cant press on the actual item in Jei hence why
if I press on this I dont really see how to make it
pulsar lodge
are you looking at all JEI tabs when checking Recipes?
thorn dome
yea
chilly ibex
it shows you how to make blitz lumium though
misty drift
yea
you are sure there isnt an induction smelter tab?
can you send a larger screenshot of jei if you cant find it?
chilly ibex
im stupid... sorry guys 😂
a lot of others are more blind, don't worry
thorn dome
What are those weapons that can Extract Blazing Blood ?
pulsar lodge
anything you add the Melting ability to
chilly ibex
you also need the tank upgrade to hold the blazing blood...
thorn dome
you also need the tank upgrade to hold the blazing blood...
tank upgrade? (a bit more specific for my stupid ass xD please)
chilly ibex
tank modifier
thorn dome
ah ok xD thanks
chilly ibex
i'd recommend making a separate tool unless you have sponges laying around
pulsar lodge
yeah, a specially built melting weapon is advisable
you don't need to be extracting liquid soul or blood from everything
thorn dome
is it a bug that I cant pour Iron or Gold into the Scorched Basin, but I can pour it into a seared one on my Smeltery / Foundry
craggy fox
is it a bug that I cant pour Iron or Gold into the Scorched Basin, but I can pou...
scorched basin wants a thing in it before you can pour into it at all times
"gold platform" if you just want a block
or you just continue using seared basins.
upbeat garden
any trick to getting the chromatic steel to alloy? I made the Blitz lumium in the foundry and moved it over, so it's the correct one, and so I have a block of all 4 in the smeltry with pyrotheum but it's not alloying.
Seems like it's the key for so many expert tinkers things
carmine fractal
any trick to getting the chromatic steel to alloy? I made the Blitz lumium in t...
You have to make a separate structure called an alloyer to make alloys
It requires the alloyer, scorched liquid tanks, and a fuel tank
At the minimum for chromatic steel(i presume thats what youre trying to make), you need 4 4 scorched liquid tanks