#Cr-10 s4 whats causing these skipping
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Trying again at 205 but seems like it still happening a bit
okay did you check the hotend? like removing the silicone sock and see if its leaking?
I had the sock removed today for cleaning but not while printing there wasn't anything on it
My retraction is 3mm 45mm/s if that could cause an issue maybe?
depends
do you have the stock hotend?
if the ptfe tube might be degraded @rapid nimbus
Yep stock ptfe tube inside the hotend? I've only been printing pla for around a month shouldn't be degraded that fast?
There are many ways it could fail
Bad pushfit
No clip at the extruder and hotend push fit
Not cut flat to sit flush against the nozzle
Degraded
Not correctly inserter
One time leak when heating above 200c because crealty is to stupid for since i know them to correctly hottighten their hotends to their printer specs
Incorrect filament path due too short or to longtube
But did you check your extruder and the spool not that there is a knot comming
There's no knots on the spool I have checked that but for the extruder not yet I received an all metal hotend today but I need to get that part to print so I have new hotend parts for it instead of the old warped and broken ones currently
Great
Just 2 things in too look for. Hottighten it to the max temp your printer can and reduce the retraction distance down to 1 ph and delete all old gcode from the sd not that you print one with false settings and get a clog
I print from octoprint I’ll delete the old files and do a new one for retraction 1mm?
For the printer max temp its 260 i got petg cf to test on it should i use it on max or wait until the issue is solved.
If you change the hotend
The retraction is set in you slicer unless you have firmware retraction
I do I’ve changed it to 3mm at 45mm/s
Previously 4mm at 50mm/s But I haven’t done a retraction test
At 2mm it was oozing still
3 mm is the max distance for all metal before you risk a heatbreak/ coldend clog
If the part printed good enough I’ll have it installed in the morning
I’ve done luke hatfield hotend fix should i do it again?
Back in 2020 everyone told me to do it on stock hotend though I wasn’t sure if it had fixed anything
Luke Hatfield? The print a tiny plastic disc one?
Also a mod wont fix thermal expansion
Yes that one
Yeah doesnt do shhiiieeeeeeettt for this issue
In general is it useful at anything’s or should i just shove a whole tube inside of the spacer thing?
Part should be done in a couple hours will install in the morning if it’s all good
Ah will do it again then just incase no harm any way
Would a belt/axis issue cause these skipping too?
I’ve switched y axis to linear rails and changed the belt but for the x haven’t done anything yet will also be going linear rails soon
Not really
Only if they are damaged loose extremly overtighted or somehow rundiagonal
My guess is you hit infill
As in my nozzle is hitting the infill?
Yes. Happens in the slicer pretty normal
Im sorry im just a bit confused currently for these gaps what can i try to reduce or possibly get rid of them
Ongoing dd mount print
One infront is supports that’s fine but on the right is the actual print
Is it Bowden feed or direct drive? I don't think the extrusion looks continuous
Or is it fixed as no posts since new years eve?
Sorry for the late response i took the hotend apart today seems like the capricorn tube is a bit deteriorated and gooey from the outside but the inside looked good and the following jam coupler which i suspected after it wasn’t extruding anymore.
Its on the coupler as i have luke hatfields hotend fix with a printed spacer in the hotend though that seems perfectly fine i’d have expected it to fuse with the clog but it just stayed ontop.
Even after a full hotend redo nothing changed sadly appreciate any suggestions
It is possible to make so many small tweaks that it causes bigger problems like this.
I'd go back to basics, check the extruder isn't damaged or clogged, then recheck steps....
Then....
I’ve taken the extruder apart to clean it now but haven’t noticed anything i kindof suspected the ptfe from the heat but printing on this previously haven’t had an issue before
Even after replacing the capricorn inside the hotend still occured after initial print
Though I’m using a pancake stepper as my original big one died but i don’t remember if I had an issue before or after the replacement and even then i can see it smoothly extruding no skipping sounds or struggling visible
Could the filament itself be an issue for this?
Damp filament can cause issues, have you tried drying it or a different roll
It has been in the dryer since it was opened
Space pi dryer on 50c nonstop for the last month
Haven’t tried a different roll as thats the only new (sealed) pla I currently have
Others are all 5 year old been opened sadly
I’ve got petg cf and abs but don’t want to print these until i get this resolved
Deffo not damp then
Have you checked the esteps by marking it 120mm before it goes in to the extruder, asking to extruder 100mm and them measuring what's left, obviously should be 20mm..
Yes i redid the esteps after i put everything back together
I do have it printing now but doesn’t look like anything changed still towards the start though
At 210c
Do you use Marlin or klipper?
This is an 18 hour print that finished in the morning
Haven’t changed the firmware since 2020 its on marlin 2
I have gotten very nice prints out of it before I wouldn’t think it’s firmware related
Swirched y axis to 2 linear rails and 4 carriages trying to get the other parts done good and will be switching x very soon too
Ok, are the z rails / lead screws/wheels smooth if you move them but hand..
I can’t move them right now but I’d guess when i fixed my couplers didn’t feel any skipping pulling the z up by hand
was a bit tough but i think That’s normal
Couplers?
It was close to the motor i gave it space between the gap of the rod and shaft
Thought was the issue but didn’t really fix it
Those rubber wheel bearings if old or too tight - they can get flat spots
Ok, the couplers shouldn't make a difference as log as its not catching anywhere.
I have never touched them i guess i should replace them
If on the Z, it can cause visual artifacts horizontally
Damnit it halted
Moving the rails without power and disconnected cable from the motors will give you a steer if there are flat spots.
Don't move when connected.
It can fry your board.
To be honest feels normal to me
I’ll order wheels and replace them anyway
Might also go straight for linear rail’s instead
Probably need a kit for that as there is than just the rails needed, also if you do, you'll need Isoprpyl alcohol to clean them along with NLGI2 grease to prep them 😉
#1454842401959973036 message sooo i was right?
Yep around 20$ on aliexpress got a spare 600mm rail can cut to size and 3 other carriages hopefully all linear rails will help
Actually you are as far as i think but i did replace the the capricorn inside and still experienced the same first print is that normal degradation span from the first print?
Im in process in modifying bullseye mounts to fit e3d v6 and linear rail mount for the x hopefully once everything is good I’ll have it installed though it needs a cartridge thermistor so going from the glass bead ntc 3950 to b3950 I’m hoping it will work without the hassle of a full firmware change
Hey currently halfway with x z linear rail’s installation when it’s done should I run any tests apart from esteps switched to a v6 hotend too so pid tuning too
Pressure advance maybe
Trying to print but it’s not looking good
That is an extrusion problem, maybe a bit on z height issue dut deffo extrusion, you have good line and dotty under-extrusion
Hi, can you explain how you do the E-steps check?
I left work would have provided pics but I’ll try to explain it as good as i can
From the top of the direct drive where the ptfe slides in i put a ruler and try to keep the filament straight mark both 100mm and 120mm then extrude 100mm see id it stops at the same place of direct drive hole if not i measure whats left and put it in th3d calculator online with my current esteps
thats how i always do it should be correct no?
Marked red line is where the ruler sits to start measuring
Ontop of the black locking mechanism
My direct drive mount isn’t too structurally stable so did some edits as my first one broke and having to print the new one urgently as I don’t have more rhan 2 extra parts 😅
But its not wobbling or anything should be good for a couple prints
Ok, so when you extrude 100mm, is the remainder actually 20mm?
It looks more mechanical than maybe something to do with your slicer settings
Wel fuck
Per my measurement I’d say yes
Would the v6 need other settings?
I peinted on the same settings as my mk8
I can recheck Saturday and let u know about esteps but if mechanical Im not sure what to do
YOu have changed from a MK8 t a V6?
Does it have the same type of Thermistor and have you re-done the PID? if so
Yes
I changed to a metal cartridge and pid tuned its stable
Went from 3950 glass to also B3950 cartridge and pid tuned 10 cycles 240c temp stayed stable 210c
No more melting tube inside and looks to not ooze as much as the mk8 did
@steep sand , any ideas here, extrusion is calculated, new hotend but same spec thermistor and PID re-done. This image to me looks like a mechanical/extrusion problem...
Im using a pancake stepper if that changes anything
But been using since the mk8 not new
Esteps done?
Says yes..
Actually still looks like a blockage
Did you alter any ampere settings for the stepper or does it match the old stepper?
Didn’t change anything
It did print no issues with the mk8 should still be good?
have you ever cleaned the heatsink and fan blades? maybe you collected dust
installed everything Thursday all were cleaned with air compressor
I have checked esteps again all good and started another print now as I wasn’t there the last 2 days I’ll let you know in a few hours but so far nothing bad
Will have to wait until it geys higher
air compressor is a great way to kill your fan
it spins up the fan motor too much so it turns into a generator
frying it self
Aware of that i hold my fans when i clean
It doesn’t spin it dust just blows out
It's looking better so far, what's it like an hour in
Well it is printing but not the best quality Im guessing need to see it complete as most of it now is supports
Is that held in place by that tiny green strip nr the rail?
If so we might just have found why your extrusion is off
@rapid nimbus where are you from
Is that a clone bmg on top of a V6?
Well yeah 😅 did not think of the mount structure integrity much while being edited the new edit I’ve made it possible to screw ontop of the carriage along with the hotend mount
Living in saudi arabia
Yeah Bmg clone off trianglelab aliexpress
3d printers are not common much here aliexpress is my go to and alot cheaper than having to buy off amazon or importing
For now I’ve hot glued the bmg/motor without the mount ontop of the hotend holding well attempting another print
Surprised it held so long
It’s my fault for not thinking it through all I wanted was to make it fit with the direct drive
I hope I’ll be able to print the new one tomorrow no luck today
Still trying to figure out Z offset it doesn’t seem to work like before for some reason currently
2 days later it seems to be printing again do far holding good with the hot glue
Will send pictures if it manages to complete without falling apart again
Yay……
Almost done too unfortunately
I’ll have to cad it tomorrow and laser cut it aluminum should be light enough atleast a temporary solution if not permanent
Unfortunately my boss aka my father is rushing me to print abs so i think tomorrow i will have to start with petg for parts after the aluminum mount is done.
Is a blanket good enough for abs?
Some people use a cardboard box over the printer, but you are looking for a minimum temp of 40'c chamber for ABS to not only print but to be strong.
I'm not the print quality is ready yet though.
Pop a picture up of your latest print..
For info when you do get to printing ABS, don't go too fast and slow those cooling fans right down, if you cool ABS too fast it won't be very strong.
Im planning to have the fans off and just have a ventilation fan to get the fumes outside the room
Printer is currently apart in process of installing ac silicon bed as stock wont go above 75c and drawing the extruder mount to cut in aluminum I’ll print the petg cf i got first for the hotend mount as pla would surely melt with abs printing
Will send the printed part when everything is running again I’ll always seitch back to the stock extruder instead of the pancake its getting way too hot the hot glue softened and starting to feel like it might be the one causing the gaps
I dont assume i can change my printer on marlin to go up to 300c 260 only currently without a whole firmware change hassle?
I print ABS well at 42 chamber, 245 hotend and 95-100 bed this bit is filament dependant.
I ordered a creality chamber heater and planning to just make acrylic casing just throw it on top of the printer at-least temporarily while its printing. Doing cable extensions now to keep control box/ssr and pi out of the enclosure i think it could reach 50-60c.
As for filament i got sunlu abs in grey states 250-260c on the box
80-120 bed
Once parts are all done in abs + smoothing will be pvd coating them atleast attempting should make it a bit more resistant and look nicer
I just bought 4 rolls of Sunlu ABS not tried it yet...
Haha if i get to try it before you will let you know though i’d blame my calibration skills more
Unrelated if someone has a good solid state relay/ssr brand would appreciate as I’m unsure of good companies for it only got off aliexpress which I’m sure is going to end terribly quickly 😅
Omron are known to be good, but to be fair on a convert I got a cheapo from Ali, no issues so far, just calibrate the ampage correctly.
Dont forget the bracket -
I have seen them on ali too wasn’t sure if they are genuine omron or just knockoffs too i have a fotek one currently seems common there.
As for ampage calibration i dont see any thing to adjust on my ssr possibly just unsure how will ask electrician coworker helping me with it currently.
And the rail what is that for? I was planning modeling and printing a case for it if the rail is just to hold it?
Edit: planning to put a spare 4010 fan I have with a heatsink on it inside rhe case
Its not an Omron but a cheap version which works.
If you have a metal rail get the bracket, dont print one as they get hot, if it comes loose it could cause issues as it's passing mains electricity - safety first, especially for just a few quid
The bracket and a fan for the Electronics is a good idea
Ah not sure i hve a place to mount it like that unless the printer extrusion is fine desk its on is a bit tight after the case is done I’ll have to try keep everything electric on the outside and just the printer inside
I was planning initially a case where its all vented and just the screw areas touching the plastic with a heatsink in the bottom and a 4010 fan above it giving air in would be printed in petg cf initially and abs in future
Saying quid made me miss the uk lived there 3 1/2 years left last july after I graduated hope to go back for masters soon
Hurry and come back before these idiots in power ruin it completely
They must have missed me being there 😅 hope to return within a year lived in north wales but would like a bigger city next
Finished the bed today same 410x410 3mm aluminum
Will test it tomorrow with ssr and pid tune got a small heatsink for it atleast temporarily
Also done with this hope it’s stable enough

Hmmm, North Wales University.... sounds like Bangor 🙂
If you had said West Wales I would have said Aberystwyth
I just hope thermal expansion of the part wont affect the offset
Yep precisely bangor 😆 small city but it’s nice and quiet especially on Sunday’s always had empty streets like a ghost town
Ah haven’t thought of that might cause an issue after it gets enclosed then
I’ll have to test and see this one extruder didn’t end up precisely on-top of the hotend so adjusting the offset and attempting another one in the morning
I can go for steel/stainless steel but didn’t want it it to be too heavy on the hotend so went with 1.5mm aluminum
Extruder mount is a bit crooked but it fits will that be a big issue
Not from the weight bending it exactly is a bit hard as it’s a small part with multiple places to bend
Its laser cut flat then bent with a machine not exactly sure what’s it’s called in english
Its pretty normal. My guess would be they just bend it to position and not the couple degrees over it to make it stay in place
Or it was bend at a low room temp
It was done at around 20c but part is quite small to be bent perfectly they did as best as possible and finished by a hammer attempting to make it perfect 90
Similar machine
I did install the bed fully now tried to pid tune but i guess young me did not turn on bed pid before flashing marlin so cannot do that
Did a 40c test worked but now tried 100c and uh its not heating the ssr seem to be activated unsure what is going on
😅 plug was off feel a bit dumb
https://marlinfw.org/docs/gcode/M303.html marlin should
This command initiates a process of heating and cooling to determine the proper PID values for the specified hotend or the heated bed.
I got pid autotune failed bad extruder number but my hotend isnt plugged in still apart i dont rhink its needed to be for the bed?
Yeah got the command from here too
I’ll try again around 15 minutes outting the hotend together now
Thiugh assuming the v6 nozzle shouldn’t screw all the way in and touch the heatblock as the old one came like that?
Creality clasaic
They cant assemble a hotend 😄
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Thank you everything is ready now but facing a problem
Homes fine but when abl goes to first corner and goes down probe barely touches the bed to trigger but doesn’t go enough to trigger
Then goes probing failed on octoprint
Not sure what is going on
Trying to figure this out
Tried to adjust my probe close to the bed but still same
There should be a screw ontop of the probe that allows you to adjust sensitivity
Oh all the time ai thought rhat was just to keep it in place never messed with it 😅
Any idea if it should be more loose or tighter
I think to the right was less sensetive but i always forget it too
Left the area will give it a try morning thanks
Thanks its probing now might have to adjust a bit more my new bed seem to be bowed higher in the middle and lower sides quite a big difference 😅
Unfortunately cannot get it any better they don’t really care about perfect flatness here
Wel it probes but fails randomly for some reason
Everytime a different place even if it passed ir before decides it doesn’t want to go down enough or blink and not deploy checked the wiring all good never touched firmware side
Attempting one last time then will just off it and print center only hope it works
Everything works perfectly but this cunt
Have manually levelled Bed multiple times z offset is set correctly as i always printed before no issues just the probe being stubborn
hmmm
you could try adding 2 or 3 layers of alumium foil in that corner or lower the probe in general by a mm
Did lower the probe max possibile height
Still occurs unfortunately
I dont assume i can “unstick” the silicon heatbead and attempt straightening aluminum
that would be the solution yes
I dont assume foil would work it seems to be pretty bad I’ll take a video in a bit
Only peoblem now im not sure how we can remove the heater without messing it up and the tape
crealiity print bed quality 😄
Well this time it’s more of me had it laser cut as the stock bed heater cant be removed
That’s what i want to attempt though unsure how
Was looking into maybe switching it to the other side so the corners are high and the center is low?
might work might not work
i always layed the beds on the ground with a thin piece of print like 2mm in the middle and then went bending
This is my bed currently
Hope its clear enough
I dont have a magnet sheet installed yet it hasn’t arrived
So the top pei plate is held by binder clips for now
If that makes a difference?
This is with bed corners levelled and z offset done
Its probing but for some reason towards the end goes down probes then foes back up deploys and stows again before saying probe failed
Im giving up on abl snd trying to get it printing a benchy without one
I have left it to print till tomorrow hope the ssr wont fail me but still without abl first layer was not good took multiple attempts
I have no idea why the top half did not print
Extruded fine no blobs or clogs I’m just confused currently
Not sure if thats the issue but both z rod seem to have devided to drop to the shaft though i never saw any wasted plastic might also had an extrusion problem?
Not good
Had no issues with the skirt but the print itself is messed up suspecting extrusion issue but esteps are calibrated and skirt did good so im guessing leveling as no abl for this?
255c hotend spool says 245
Thats not good at all, its lifting when it tries to extrude, but will hardly extrude anything, the when the motor stops extruding - it will still extrude as the weight pushes the motor downwards, so everything is delayed, you need rid of the that bracket/glue which is holding the extruder on the top of the hotend.
Either get a proper strong one or put the original one back on.
Youll never get anything or anything decent like this.
Sorry but true
Awh ill have to redo it in a better way I don’t have any other mounting option currently I’ll see if i can get it stable mounting it to the screw ontop of the sensor too
You could try using a steel tube between extruder and hotend as support beam but im not sure if that will damage something
I think that will put pressure on the pla hotend mounting will just destroy it overtime
Ive got this long screw i was thinking to maybe make the extruder stepper facing back ontop of the rail instead of the sides and make it also screw on this tight could help absorb some shock
You really need to make the important bits out of metal 😄
Thankfully everything is metal except the mount that holds the hotend + cooling wish i could but it’s not possible with laser cutting
Im now assuming the thrust from this caused the z rods to hit the shaft
Im going abs just want to get the mounting printed for heat resistance in this petg
I can fix rhe extruder problem but the sensor issues persist
Extruder mount should be done sat/sun will test then trying to resolve abl for now
Any downsides if i just ditch marlin to klipper or would that not help to get leveling back?
Abs is toxic material
Yes will be enclosed and vented out when the time inevitably comes
ok
Not vented but recycle filtered through carbon, then you won't lose the heat that you need in the chamber
I did get a vent kit but don’t think it came with a carbon filter I’ll have to check and get one if not thanks
It's not a vent though, it keeps everything inside just circulates it through carbon.
Have a look for a Nevermore filter, these are good
I think I might have gotten the wrong thing?
YOOPAI Fan Fume Extraction Kit for 3D Printer Enclosure For all yoopai 3D Printer Enclosure include Bambu lab Enclosure
https://a.aliexpress.com/_c40srqsF
I haven’t given it a test but when I ordered said ventilation
Well tried to flash klipper onto the board usb doesn’t work not detected so i think it ruined the board now
A board is so frikin expensive
It was bricked managed to save it with an st link v2. For my board skr e3 mini v2 it looks to be around 27$ to me from aliexpress not much.
Works with the 3d touch I have
ok
Any idea what’s causing my probe to do this on klipper?
Is calibrating esteps different on klipper?
You do steps per rotation i think
I’ve done it got it to print very nicely but it seems to always clog my bmg with shavings and stop pulling
Anyway to prevent this didn’t have the issue with pla before
It was going good
But kept clogging the gears with shavings
Reduce spring tension or increase temp so it melts more easily or your gears might be done if they are older like 1000 too 2000 print hours
Also with it being a BMG, make sure that the gears actually line up with each other
@hasty shell i know you know the name for that type of error ...what was it again?
Id say maybe around 100-150 hours still pretty new my temps are 255 spool says 245
Go up to 265?
Petg?
Petg cf
5 degree increases
Would stop at 270 because thennyou start cooking and you simply overwhelm the hotend
I haven’t experienced that with pla but with this it seems to leave alot of shavings until it clogs
I’ve got a spare new bmg clone I’ve put it now will try
Yeah that might be your problem but expect slower speeds with .6 its a squared increase in volume more or less pushed