#Cr-10 s4 whats causing these skipping

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rapid nimbus
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Prints 200 first layer 190 rest at 30-40mm/s speeds filament has been in dryer at 50c since opened nonstop drying.

I have done luke’s hotend fix and no clogging.

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If you want to see any other settings retraction etc let me know I’ll send

steep sand
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190 is very cold

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Try 200

rapid nimbus
steep sand
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okay did you check the hotend? like removing the silicone sock and see if its leaking?

rapid nimbus
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I had the sock removed today for cleaning but not while printing there wasn't anything on it

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My retraction is 3mm 45mm/s if that could cause an issue maybe?

steep sand
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depends

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do you have the stock hotend?

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if the ptfe tube might be degraded @rapid nimbus

rapid nimbus
steep sand
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Bad pushfit

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No clip at the extruder and hotend push fit

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Not cut flat to sit flush against the nozzle

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Degraded

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Not correctly inserter

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One time leak when heating above 200c because crealty is to stupid for since i know them to correctly hottighten their hotends to their printer specs

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Incorrect filament path due too short or to longtube

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But did you check your extruder and the spool not that there is a knot comming

rapid nimbus
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There's no knots on the spool I have checked that but for the extruder not yet I received an all metal hotend today but I need to get that part to print so I have new hotend parts for it instead of the old warped and broken ones currently

steep sand
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Great

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Just 2 things in too look for. Hottighten it to the max temp your printer can and reduce the retraction distance down to 1 ph and delete all old gcode from the sd not that you print one with false settings and get a clog

rapid nimbus
steep sand
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The retraction is set in you slicer unless you have firmware retraction

rapid nimbus
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Previously 4mm at 50mm/s But I haven’t done a retraction test

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At 2mm it was oozing still

steep sand
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3 mm is the max distance for all metal before you risk a heatbreak/ coldend clog

rapid nimbus
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I’ve done luke hatfield hotend fix should i do it again?

rapid nimbus
steep sand
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Luke Hatfield? The print a tiny plastic disc one?

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Also a mod wont fix thermal expansion

rapid nimbus
steep sand
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Yeah doesnt do shhiiieeeeeeettt for this issue

rapid nimbus
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Part should be done in a couple hours will install in the morning if it’s all good

steep sand
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Its okay

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It eliminates the one possible cause moving tube due bad pushfits

rapid nimbus
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Ah will do it again then just incase no harm any way

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Would a belt/axis issue cause these skipping too?

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I’ve switched y axis to linear rails and changed the belt but for the x haven’t done anything yet will also be going linear rails soon

steep sand
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Not really

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Only if they are damaged loose extremly overtighted or somehow rundiagonal

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My guess is you hit infill

rapid nimbus
steep sand
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Yes. Happens in the slicer pretty normal

rapid nimbus
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Im sorry im just a bit confused currently for these gaps what can i try to reduce or possibly get rid of them

rapid nimbus
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Ongoing dd mount print

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One infront is supports that’s fine but on the right is the actual print

ebon egret
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Is it Bowden feed or direct drive? I don't think the extrusion looks continuous

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Or is it fixed as no posts since new years eve?

rapid nimbus
# ebon egret Or is it fixed as no posts since new years eve?

Sorry for the late response i took the hotend apart today seems like the capricorn tube is a bit deteriorated and gooey from the outside but the inside looked good and the following jam coupler which i suspected after it wasn’t extruding anymore.

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Its on the coupler as i have luke hatfields hotend fix with a printed spacer in the hotend though that seems perfectly fine i’d have expected it to fuse with the clog but it just stayed ontop.

rapid nimbus
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Even after a full hotend redo nothing changed sadly appreciate any suggestions

ebon egret
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It is possible to make so many small tweaks that it causes bigger problems like this.
I'd go back to basics, check the extruder isn't damaged or clogged, then recheck steps....
Then....

rapid nimbus
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Even after replacing the capricorn inside the hotend still occured after initial print

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Though I’m using a pancake stepper as my original big one died but i don’t remember if I had an issue before or after the replacement and even then i can see it smoothly extruding no skipping sounds or struggling visible

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Could the filament itself be an issue for this?

ebon egret
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Damp filament can cause issues, have you tried drying it or a different roll

rapid nimbus
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Space pi dryer on 50c nonstop for the last month

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Haven’t tried a different roll as thats the only new (sealed) pla I currently have

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Others are all 5 year old been opened sadly

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I’ve got petg cf and abs but don’t want to print these until i get this resolved

ebon egret
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Deffo not damp then

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Have you checked the esteps by marking it 120mm before it goes in to the extruder, asking to extruder 100mm and them measuring what's left, obviously should be 20mm..

rapid nimbus
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Yes i redid the esteps after i put everything back together

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I do have it printing now but doesn’t look like anything changed still towards the start though

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At 210c

ebon egret
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Do you use Marlin or klipper?

rapid nimbus
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This is an 18 hour print that finished in the morning

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Haven’t changed the firmware since 2020 its on marlin 2

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I have gotten very nice prints out of it before I wouldn’t think it’s firmware related

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Swirched y axis to 2 linear rails and 4 carriages trying to get the other parts done good and will be switching x very soon too

ebon egret
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Ok, are the z rails / lead screws/wheels smooth if you move them but hand..

rapid nimbus
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I can’t move them right now but I’d guess when i fixed my couplers didn’t feel any skipping pulling the z up by hand

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was a bit tough but i think That’s normal

ebon egret
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Couplers?

rapid nimbus
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It was close to the motor i gave it space between the gap of the rod and shaft

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Thought was the issue but didn’t really fix it

ebon egret
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Those rubber wheel bearings if old or too tight - they can get flat spots

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Ok, the couplers shouldn't make a difference as log as its not catching anywhere.

rapid nimbus
ebon egret
rapid nimbus
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Damnit it halted

ebon egret
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Don't move when connected.

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It can fry your board.

rapid nimbus
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To be honest feels normal to me

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I’ll order wheels and replace them anyway

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Might also go straight for linear rail’s instead

ebon egret
steep sand
rapid nimbus
rapid nimbus
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Im in process in modifying bullseye mounts to fit e3d v6 and linear rail mount for the x hopefully once everything is good I’ll have it installed though it needs a cartridge thermistor so going from the glass bead ntc 3950 to b3950 I’m hoping it will work without the hassle of a full firmware change

rapid nimbus
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Hey currently halfway with x z linear rail’s installation when it’s done should I run any tests apart from esteps switched to a v6 hotend too so pid tuning too

steep sand
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Pressure advance maybe

rapid nimbus
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Trying to print but it’s not looking good

ebon egret
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That is an extrusion problem, maybe a bit on z height issue dut deffo extrusion, you have good line and dotty under-extrusion

ebon egret
rapid nimbus
# ebon egret Hi, can you explain how you do the E-steps check?

I left work would have provided pics but I’ll try to explain it as good as i can

From the top of the direct drive where the ptfe slides in i put a ruler and try to keep the filament straight mark both 100mm and 120mm then extrude 100mm see id it stops at the same place of direct drive hole if not i measure whats left and put it in th3d calculator online with my current esteps

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thats how i always do it should be correct no?

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Marked red line is where the ruler sits to start measuring

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Ontop of the black locking mechanism

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My direct drive mount isn’t too structurally stable so did some edits as my first one broke and having to print the new one urgently as I don’t have more rhan 2 extra parts 😅

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But its not wobbling or anything should be good for a couple prints

ebon egret
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It looks more mechanical than maybe something to do with your slicer settings

rapid nimbus
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Wel fuck

rapid nimbus
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Would the v6 need other settings?

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I peinted on the same settings as my mk8

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I can recheck Saturday and let u know about esteps but if mechanical Im not sure what to do

ebon egret
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YOu have changed from a MK8 t a V6?

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Does it have the same type of Thermistor and have you re-done the PID? if so

rapid nimbus
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I changed to a metal cartridge and pid tuned its stable

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Went from 3950 glass to also B3950 cartridge and pid tuned 10 cycles 240c temp stayed stable 210c

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No more melting tube inside and looks to not ooze as much as the mk8 did

ebon egret
rapid nimbus
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Im using a pancake stepper if that changes anything

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But been using since the mk8 not new

ebon egret
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Says yes..

ebon egret
ebon egret
rapid nimbus
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It did print no issues with the mk8 should still be good?

steep sand
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have you ever cleaned the heatsink and fan blades? maybe you collected dust

rapid nimbus
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I have checked esteps again all good and started another print now as I wasn’t there the last 2 days I’ll let you know in a few hours but so far nothing bad

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Will have to wait until it geys higher

steep sand
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it spins up the fan motor too much so it turns into a generator

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frying it self

rapid nimbus
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It doesn’t spin it dust just blows out

ebon egret
rapid nimbus
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Well it is printing but not the best quality Im guessing need to see it complete as most of it now is supports

rapid nimbus
rapid nimbus
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Well fuck

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This was my only spare too

rapid nimbus
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Resorted to a glue gun stick

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Seems stable enough

ebon egret
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Is that held in place by that tiny green strip nr the rail?

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If so we might just have found why your extrusion is off

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@rapid nimbus where are you from

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Is that a clone bmg on top of a V6?

rapid nimbus
rapid nimbus
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Yeah Bmg clone off trianglelab aliexpress

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3d printers are not common much here aliexpress is my go to and alot cheaper than having to buy off amazon or importing

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For now I’ve hot glued the bmg/motor without the mount ontop of the hotend holding well attempting another print

steep sand
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Surprised it held so long

rapid nimbus
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It’s my fault for not thinking it through all I wanted was to make it fit with the direct drive

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I hope I’ll be able to print the new one tomorrow no luck today

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Still trying to figure out Z offset it doesn’t seem to work like before for some reason currently

rapid nimbus
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2 days later it seems to be printing again do far holding good with the hot glue

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Will send pictures if it manages to complete without falling apart again

rapid nimbus
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So far so good except that gap worrying me

rapid nimbus
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Yay……

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Almost done too unfortunately

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I’ll have to cad it tomorrow and laser cut it aluminum should be light enough atleast a temporary solution if not permanent

rapid nimbus
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Unfortunately my boss aka my father is rushing me to print abs so i think tomorrow i will have to start with petg for parts after the aluminum mount is done.

Is a blanket good enough for abs?

ebon egret
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Some people use a cardboard box over the printer, but you are looking for a minimum temp of 40'c chamber for ABS to not only print but to be strong.
I'm not the print quality is ready yet though.

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Pop a picture up of your latest print..

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For info when you do get to printing ABS, don't go too fast and slow those cooling fans right down, if you cool ABS too fast it won't be very strong.

rapid nimbus
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Printer is currently apart in process of installing ac silicon bed as stock wont go above 75c and drawing the extruder mount to cut in aluminum I’ll print the petg cf i got first for the hotend mount as pla would surely melt with abs printing

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Will send the printed part when everything is running again I’ll always seitch back to the stock extruder instead of the pancake its getting way too hot the hot glue softened and starting to feel like it might be the one causing the gaps

rapid nimbus
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I dont assume i can change my printer on marlin to go up to 300c 260 only currently without a whole firmware change hassle?

ebon egret
rapid nimbus
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80-120 bed

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Once parts are all done in abs + smoothing will be pvd coating them atleast attempting should make it a bit more resistant and look nicer

ebon egret
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I just bought 4 rolls of Sunlu ABS not tried it yet...

rapid nimbus
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Haha if i get to try it before you will let you know though i’d blame my calibration skills more

rapid nimbus
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Unrelated if someone has a good solid state relay/ssr brand would appreciate as I’m unsure of good companies for it only got off aliexpress which I’m sure is going to end terribly quickly 😅

ebon egret
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Omron are known to be good, but to be fair on a convert I got a cheapo from Ali, no issues so far, just calibrate the ampage correctly.

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Dont forget the bracket -

rapid nimbus
# ebon egret Omron are known to be good, but to be fair on a convert I got a cheapo from Ali,...

I have seen them on ali too wasn’t sure if they are genuine omron or just knockoffs too i have a fotek one currently seems common there.

As for ampage calibration i dont see any thing to adjust on my ssr possibly just unsure how will ask electrician coworker helping me with it currently.

And the rail what is that for? I was planning modeling and printing a case for it if the rail is just to hold it?

Edit: planning to put a spare 4010 fan I have with a heatsink on it inside rhe case

ebon egret
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Its not an Omron but a cheap version which works.

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If you have a metal rail get the bracket, dont print one as they get hot, if it comes loose it could cause issues as it's passing mains electricity - safety first, especially for just a few quid

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The bracket and a fan for the Electronics is a good idea

rapid nimbus
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I was planning initially a case where its all vented and just the screw areas touching the plastic with a heatsink in the bottom and a 4010 fan above it giving air in would be printed in petg cf initially and abs in future

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Saying quid made me miss the uk lived there 3 1/2 years left last july after I graduated hope to go back for masters soon

ebon egret
rapid nimbus
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They must have missed me being there 😅 hope to return within a year lived in north wales but would like a bigger city next

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Finished the bed today same 410x410 3mm aluminum

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Will test it tomorrow with ssr and pid tune got a small heatsink for it atleast temporarily

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Also done with this hope it’s stable enough

steep sand
ebon egret
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If you had said West Wales I would have said Aberystwyth

steep sand
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I just hope thermal expansion of the part wont affect the offset

rapid nimbus
rapid nimbus
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I’ll have to test and see this one extruder didn’t end up precisely on-top of the hotend so adjusting the offset and attempting another one in the morning

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I can go for steel/stainless steel but didn’t want it it to be too heavy on the hotend so went with 1.5mm aluminum

rapid nimbus
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Extruder mount is a bit crooked but it fits will that be a big issue

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Not from the weight bending it exactly is a bit hard as it’s a small part with multiple places to bend

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Its laser cut flat then bent with a machine not exactly sure what’s it’s called in english

steep sand
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Or it was bend at a low room temp

rapid nimbus
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Similar machine

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I did install the bed fully now tried to pid tune but i guess young me did not turn on bed pid before flashing marlin so cannot do that

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Did a 40c test worked but now tried 100c and uh its not heating the ssr seem to be activated unsure what is going on

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😅 plug was off feel a bit dumb

steep sand
rapid nimbus
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Yeah got the command from here too

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I’ll try again around 15 minutes outting the hotend together now

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Thiugh assuming the v6 nozzle shouldn’t screw all the way in and touch the heatblock as the old one came like that?

steep sand
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Creality clasaic

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They cant assemble a hotend 😄

rapid nimbus
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Thank you everything is ready now but facing a problem

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Homes fine but when abl goes to first corner and goes down probe barely touches the bed to trigger but doesn’t go enough to trigger

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Then goes probing failed on octoprint

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Not sure what is going on

rapid nimbus
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Trying to figure this out

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Tried to adjust my probe close to the bed but still same

steep sand
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There should be a screw ontop of the probe that allows you to adjust sensitivity

rapid nimbus
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Any idea if it should be more loose or tighter

steep sand
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I think to the right was less sensetive but i always forget it too

rapid nimbus
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Left the area will give it a try morning thanks

rapid nimbus
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Thanks its probing now might have to adjust a bit more my new bed seem to be bowed higher in the middle and lower sides quite a big difference 😅

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Unfortunately cannot get it any better they don’t really care about perfect flatness here

rapid nimbus
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Wel it probes but fails randomly for some reason

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Everytime a different place even if it passed ir before decides it doesn’t want to go down enough or blink and not deploy checked the wiring all good never touched firmware side

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Attempting one last time then will just off it and print center only hope it works

rapid nimbus
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Everything works perfectly but this cunt

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Have manually levelled Bed multiple times z offset is set correctly as i always printed before no issues just the probe being stubborn

steep sand
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hmmm

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you could try adding 2 or 3 layers of alumium foil in that corner or lower the probe in general by a mm

rapid nimbus
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Still occurs unfortunately

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I dont assume i can “unstick” the silicon heatbead and attempt straightening aluminum

steep sand
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that would be the solution yes

rapid nimbus
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I dont assume foil would work it seems to be pretty bad I’ll take a video in a bit

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Only peoblem now im not sure how we can remove the heater without messing it up and the tape

steep sand
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crealiity print bed quality 😄

rapid nimbus
steep sand
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i know but you can still bend the plate

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its just glued so it should stick

rapid nimbus
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Was looking into maybe switching it to the other side so the corners are high and the center is low?

steep sand
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might work might not work

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i always layed the beds on the ground with a thin piece of print like 2mm in the middle and then went bending

rapid nimbus
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This is my bed currently

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I dont have a magnet sheet installed yet it hasn’t arrived

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So the top pei plate is held by binder clips for now

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If that makes a difference?

rapid nimbus
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Its probing but for some reason towards the end goes down probes then foes back up deploys and stows again before saying probe failed

rapid nimbus
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Im giving up on abl snd trying to get it printing a benchy without one

rapid nimbus
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I have left it to print till tomorrow hope the ssr wont fail me but still without abl first layer was not good took multiple attempts

rapid nimbus
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I have no idea why the top half did not print

rapid nimbus
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Extruded fine no blobs or clogs I’m just confused currently

rapid nimbus
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Took this yesterday but not sure if that is a problem for extruder

rapid nimbus
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Not sure if thats the issue but both z rod seem to have devided to drop to the shaft though i never saw any wasted plastic might also had an extrusion problem?

rapid nimbus
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Not good

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Had no issues with the skirt but the print itself is messed up suspecting extrusion issue but esteps are calibrated and skirt did good so im guessing leveling as no abl for this?

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255c hotend spool says 245

ebon egret
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Thats not good at all, its lifting when it tries to extrude, but will hardly extrude anything, the when the motor stops extruding - it will still extrude as the weight pushes the motor downwards, so everything is delayed, you need rid of the that bracket/glue which is holding the extruder on the top of the hotend.

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Either get a proper strong one or put the original one back on.

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Youll never get anything or anything decent like this.

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Sorry but true

rapid nimbus
steep sand
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You could try using a steel tube between extruder and hotend as support beam but im not sure if that will damage something

rapid nimbus
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Ive got this long screw i was thinking to maybe make the extruder stepper facing back ontop of the rail instead of the sides and make it also screw on this tight could help absorb some shock

steep sand
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You really need to make the important bits out of metal 😄

rapid nimbus
rapid nimbus
# rapid nimbus

Im now assuming the thrust from this caused the z rods to hit the shaft

opal vortex
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Go to petg

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Its a bit stronger

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But use 4 walls and cubic

rapid nimbus
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Im going abs just want to get the mounting printed for heat resistance in this petg

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I can fix rhe extruder problem but the sensor issues persist

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Extruder mount should be done sat/sun will test then trying to resolve abl for now

rapid nimbus
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Any downsides if i just ditch marlin to klipper or would that not help to get leveling back?

opal vortex
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Abs is toxic material

rapid nimbus
opal vortex
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ok

ebon egret
rapid nimbus
ebon egret
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It's not a vent though, it keeps everything inside just circulates it through carbon.
Have a look for a Nevermore filter, these are good

rapid nimbus
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I haven’t given it a test but when I ordered said ventilation

rapid nimbus
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Well tried to flash klipper onto the board usb doesn’t work not detected so i think it ruined the board now

opal vortex
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A board is so frikin expensive

rapid nimbus
opal vortex
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nice

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but dontu need cr touch compatible?

rapid nimbus
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Works with the 3d touch I have

opal vortex
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ok

rapid nimbus
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Any idea what’s causing my probe to do this on klipper?

rapid nimbus
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Cannot get it to print unfortunately

rapid nimbus
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Is calibrating esteps different on klipper?

steep sand
rapid nimbus
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Anyway to prevent this didn’t have the issue with pla before

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It was going good

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But kept clogging the gears with shavings

ebon egret
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That looks tidy, but it is a bit underextruded

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YOu can see the gaps in there

steep sand
ebon egret
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Also with it being a BMG, make sure that the gears actually line up with each other

steep sand
rapid nimbus
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Go up to 265?

steep sand
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Petg?

rapid nimbus
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Petg cf

steep sand
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5 degree increases

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Would stop at 270 because thennyou start cooking and you simply overwhelm the hotend

rapid nimbus
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I haven’t experienced that with pla but with this it seems to leave alot of shavings until it clogs

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I’ve got a spare new bmg clone I’ve put it now will try

steep sand
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For cf usally .6 is recommended

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Everything else ... is useless dust

rapid nimbus
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Aw i only got a .4 hardened steel

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Gonna have to order one then

steep sand
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Yeah that might be your problem but expect slower speeds with .6 its a squared increase in volume more or less pushed

rapid nimbus
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Went 0.6 with slower extrusion speeds but still seem to clog

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2.5mm retraction if that is bad?

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20mm/s retract/de retract speed