#My monthly challenge tier list (ordered)

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worldly otter
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All champs are in 3 star power

Constructive feedbacks welcomed

worldly otter
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Moved Lux 1.0 from A to S
Moved Lux 2.0 from SS to S
Moved Taliyah from B to A
Moved Teemo from B to C
Moved Janna from B to C
Moved Neeko from C to B
Moved Jinx from S to A
Moved Jinx from A to S back
Moved Sett from B to C
Moved Leona from A to B
Moved Ashe from B to A
Moved Kaisa from B to C

stuck island
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Yasuo above jinx?

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Vi on the same tier as kayn, yuumi, nilah/Janna if u have oath, tpk if buhru also feels weird

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Eve is also way slower and more fragile than jinx

worldly otter
stuck island
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U should use jinx if ur using that as an argument against jinx

worldly otter
# stuck island Yasuo above jinx?

yasuo is the best defensive champ out there, especially when enemy has power that gives them overwhelm or "first time each round an ally die, give them tough overwhelm fearsome"

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which is what jinx very weak against

stuck island
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OK but jinx has just killed all of those bosses before the mutator even matters

worldly otter
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wdym kill did u read the latter part

stuck island
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Kill as in kill the nexus

worldly otter
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chances are likely you'd die to the overwhelmed +4 / +0 enemies before u get even close to that

stuck island
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Wtf are you doing, jinx kills in like 2-3 turns

worldly otter
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sometimes they do sometimes they dont

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its very risky thats why i dont put it on SS tier

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unlike the other SS tier units like eve

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and yasuo that can pretty much hold every enemies down doesnt matter what their stats are

stuck island
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Buddy, jinx is not risky, jinx is the second most powerful champ behind asol, maybe third if we're counting scissors nid

worldly otter
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nah you're probably thinking of adventures jinx

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jinx isnt that "op" in monthly

stuck island
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She is

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She is an "if all else fails" backup for 99% of monthly challenges

worldly otter
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nope for example the kaisa challenge, i forgot the number but its probably 24

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thats not where jinx is good at, meanwhile any SS tier units is

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especially yasuo

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wait not 24, somewhere around 40s maybe 48

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yasuo is the "trump card" for those kind of challenges

stuck island
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It's not a trump card, it's a specific counter for specific things, jinx is way more generically applicable everywhere

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Which makes you higher tier than specific counters for specific mutators

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Kayn and tahm are godly for formidable and tahm especially for the +2/+2 take 2 dmg every round

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Does not make them generically better than other Champs

worldly otter
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because formidable is easily counterable with elder dragon, veigar

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most of the time challenges with formidable is not that hard

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and yasuo is not for "specific things", hes good in almost everything

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maybe not so much for irelia, but you can use eve for that

stuck island
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He is more specific than jinx is

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Jinx is just the sledgehammer instead of the multi tool, she doesn't specifically counter stuff but just ends the game before anything else matters

worldly otter
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jinx is a very risky choice for hard challenges, and you're gonna waste tries on that, and this tier list really only matters to players that dont have much champ so every single try is sacred

stuck island
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Wasting tries on jinx, ur either playing extremely badly or haven't tried using jinx honestly on harder challenges, she makes 99% of monthlies a cakewalk more so than most of ur ss tier ever could

worldly otter
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or maybe you're bad on using the SS tier champs that u fail to see everyone there are literally better than jinx

stuck island
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Jinx is widely accepted to be top 3 powerful champions for monthlies, if ur asking for feedback and then keep paddling your narrow thinking due to ur own playstyle preferences then maybe don't ask for feedback on a tier list

worldly otter
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i never said i will take into account bad feedbacks, you're free to say it but i believe i have better judgement

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especially when you can't really cater a tier list to be liked by everyone

stuck island
worldly otter
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when someone says she's top 3 i just believe they dont have much champs to try

stuck island
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Bad feedback

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U keep living in ur own world bud

worldly otter
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i mean, i could say the same to you, im not sure why you think yasuo is bad

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there's literally no counter to him, therefore he's better, its that simple

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jinx is counterable by heavy stats, overwhelm and the immunity to dying first time each round

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thats a lot of counter

stuck island
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I never said Yasuo is bad, Yasuo is an amazing champion, but he's in no way, shape or form better than jinx for monthlies

worldly otter
stuck island
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Literally don't even need to talk abt 3* jinx

worldly otter
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if thats your logic then why isnt she the best to beat liss?

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all the liss mutators doesnt even matter then

stuck island
worldly otter
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jinx needed the gas meanwhile yasuo and morgana can play it safe, doesnt matter what stats the enemy have

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once she run out of gas shes just a sitting duck

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not so much waiting when the enemies have overwhelm

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also i've listed to you what jinx is really bad at, and shown to you the risks of playing her

stuck island
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There is no sitting duck moment, the foes nexus is dead before you've played out ur entire hand, which part of this are you not understanding?

worldly otter
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and yet you couldn't stat why yasuo will play worse

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other than "speedrunning"

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sure it would take more time, but if it guarantees winning it's a fair price to pay

worldly otter
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which is very delusional, very few applies

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and you probably know you're lying

stuck island
stuck island
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Tell me you haven't played jinx without telling me you haven't played jinx

worldly otter
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actually sometimes yasuo can even beat irelia, when you have a bunch of his spells ready

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also it's literally his power to stun every round, but even if it doesn't you still have his units that stun

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or relic

stuck island
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Sometimes is the keyword there, jinx reliably beats all but maybe one challenge every month

stuck island
worldly otter
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yeah "take longer to get going" but it's a guaranteed win

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meanwhile once you used all your gas on jinx and the nexus didnt die, you're dead

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and its even easier to run out of the gas on monthly than the adventure

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you seem to not be able to take it apart

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the difference

stuck island
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Show me a single monthly challenge where you run out of cards on jinx before the nexus is dead, I'm waiting

worldly otter
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i didnt say run out of cards, i said run out of gas

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which mean the enemy has already built a board

stuck island
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Yes, same thing, I'm not talking abt decking out

worldly otter
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like kaisa or irelia

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wdym same thing?

stuck island
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It doesn't matter, there isn't one mutator on monthlies that kills you before you kill them with jinx

worldly otter
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jinx whole point is to finish the game asap but you didnt, doesnt matter if you have 10 cards on hand, the enemy is already too strong to handle

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and you cant defensively play against that

worldly otter
stuck island
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Where does this "you didn't" come from, I am telling you, show me one fucking monthly where you run out of gas on jinx before the enemy nexus is at 0 hp

worldly otter
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have you played the kaisa challenge with jinx?

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if you have the recording i'd love to see how "quickly" you kill the nexus, if that ever happened

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and the funny thing here is you know you're lying

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you can barely beat the challenge in 6 turns

worldly otter
stuck island
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Blud, where does this you know I'm lying come from, jinx alongside asol are my 2 backup Champs I use on any challenge that I don't have a counter for/used up the counter champion before

worldly otter
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show the recording please

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the only way i can know you're not lying

stuck island
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I am done with monthlies, I don't record my runs for no reason

worldly otter
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exactly

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so how can we prove each other

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im sure you didnt use jinx to beat it anyway

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in fact you probably tried to, then lost

stuck island
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And depending on what challenge ur talking abt I may have used a different champion, but as I said, for general use case 99% of challenges jinx is miles ahead of Yasuo

worldly otter
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what challenge will yasuo lose?

stuck island
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I have only lost one fight this monthly and that was Gwen vs scout ezreal on challenge 50

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That one I can prove to you via my monthly score easily

worldly otter
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how is that relevant?

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i didnt say u didnt beat kaisa challenge, i said u didnt use jinx

stuck island
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So idk why ur so hell bent on me lying when the broad community consensus even without my personal opinion is jinx being a top 3 champion for anything but lissandra

worldly otter
stuck island
worldly otter
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did u just accidentally proved my point

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LMAO

stuck island
worldly otter
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just stun them?

stuck island
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You don't have enough stuns for the amount of sand soldiers

worldly otter
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the yasuo's spell or the one that summon something while stunning

stuck island
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And yasuos champ spell is too slow to stop them from attacking before they make the sand soldiers on attack

worldly otter
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and u can even tank someone since they're ephemeral

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so it's not the end of the world to let some pass

stuck island
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4 cost, that's 3 turns in

worldly otter
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yeah ephemeral

glacial scarab
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Neeko good, should be higher, maybe MF down a bit

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MF gets the job done somehow most of the time though i will admit

stuck island
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And once again, I never said Yasuo was a bad champ, he's just not the literal killing machine jinx is

worldly otter
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mf with luden and challenger relic just solves it

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i wanna gonna put her at S bcs she even outperform S champs

glacial scarab
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Mmm I wouldn't go that far, but she can be quite flexible

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Neeko definitely should be higher though

stuck island
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Youuxun, you mind adding in ur opinion on jinx

glacial scarab
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Jinx is fine

stuck island
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I'm feeling it would help prove a point

glacial scarab
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She's quite strong and reliable, maybe a bit slow sometimes

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Very safe pick

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Basically only loses to Tough / Trynd

glacial scarab
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stuck island
glacial scarab
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Every character has their place, none are good in all

stuck island
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Esp considering 2*s as well, by the time you have plenty of 3 stars to choose from it feels less necessary to care imo

glacial scarab
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Probably Neeko in top 3 because I love her :)
Shapesplitter good

stuck island
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Plus you've got more data on that than I do, but how often does nexus is tough or trybdamere power for nexus even appear in monthlies?

glacial scarab
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Once or twice on average

stuck island
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Cuz in my experience the trybdamere power for units doesn't really matter

glacial scarab
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Generally no, only once scargrounds drops

stuck island
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I mean in that case 2* jinx is even superior

glacial scarab
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Jinx is reliable, IMO not as inevitable as Yasuo, but they still belong on similar power levels

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Both of you are correct

stuck island
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Idk, Yasuo, while definitely top tier, does not feel as reliably good into ur average challenge as jinx does in my eyes, he needs longer to get going in which case you get got from fast Champs sometimes and with monthlies not really having tough nexus or an increase in health over time I don't really see her being dethroned from a top spot anytime soon

glacial scarab
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Eve should probably be lowered a bit, she can take a bit of time to really get the ball rolling

glacial scarab
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Tierlists in general have always been a bit of an * for me, because your resources tend to be limited

stuck island
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Eh, especially on 2* yas without him + GGC on board I find myself without enough stuns or long term removal more often than I'd like comparatively

glacial scarab
glacial scarab
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Neeko still deserves better than B tier.

frail falcon
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What's the topic here

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Ah, saw it

stuck island
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Fair enough, but still don't see jinx scoring in any tier but the highest unless the highest is specifically asol + scissors nid

frail falcon
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I personally use a different system

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0-3 power, with 3 being miles away better than 2

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And 1-3 in terms of specialized role

glacial scarab
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Yeah. Me too.

frail falcon
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Yuumi is a 1 in terms of power, but a 3 in terms of her specialized role

glacial scarab
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I put her at 2 for power but definitely a specialist

frail falcon
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Kindred and Lillia are a 2 in terms of power, but a 3 in their specialized role for Chronicle

glacial scarab
frail falcon
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Hm, let me check

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And share

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Teemo for Chronicle is a popular option, too

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I personally go Gwen

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If I get to pick my fav

glacial scarab
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Gwen v cute

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General monthly tierlist will vary person-to-person based on their relics, playstyles, star powers, and champ levels

stuck island
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Love Gwen, only sad she was my only loss this month

frail falcon
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Yeah, I put Yuumi at 1

glacial scarab
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This makes sense

frail falcon
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0 is 25% of monthly

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1 is 50%

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2 is 75%

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3 is 95%

glacial scarab
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Damn, statistically objective tierlist

frail falcon
glacial scarab
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And that's why I use your guide

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😎

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(Mostly)

frail falcon
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My ballpark estimate is better than yours goofyashe

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Anyway, jokes aside

glacial scarab
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Speedrunning follows a different ruleset

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I don t suggest anyone copy me 1:1

frail falcon
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I do want to make a speed run tier list eventually

frail falcon
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But my roster is not fully 30

glacial scarab
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I don't have scissors

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You have a chance :)

frail falcon
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And lemme tell ya, the builds I see? Yeah a huge gap, between the last slot being a common and a rare/epic

stuck island
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I have scissors, should I get started? Mostly 2* lvl 20s with few epic slots tho kekw

glacial scarab
frail falcon
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Level 20 takes 40% of total exp

glacial scarab
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It's truly a grind

frail falcon
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Level 25 takes 67% of total exp

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Yeah, ain't worth

glacial scarab
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I always wanted to do a low star tier list

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Master Yi is top tier there, level 18 Yi infinites

frail falcon
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You know what would be a fun project

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Level - star - relic

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Technically I already did the level power spike part, if you look at my champ analysis

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Like how Elder Dragon has 4 power spike

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And they are all tied to the 2 cards that ramp

glacial scarab
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Eddy has great upgrades

frail falcon
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Takes level 27 for Eddy to be able to better dab on enemies

stuck island
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I think it's fair to assume 2* lvl 20 for the Champ's, below that is mostly for very specific Champs, ig nami works below that stars wise and level wise it's tough because rng can entirely kill your run if you don't get at least one champ quite often below 20

frail falcon
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Below 20 is pretty risky

stuck island
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Yup, that's what I mean, most Champs are perfectly fine below 20 IF you draw ur champion, but that's the big risk ur taking

frail falcon
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Anyway, lemme

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@glacial scarab

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The Champ Analysis now has detailed info on my rating regarding a champ's power, and specialist power

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Power 3, aka top tier, includes:

glacial scarab
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I love seeing Gnar there

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A champion I actively use for speedruns

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(He sucks and belongs at low tier)

frail falcon
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Asol, Diana, Elise, Gwen, Jhin, Jinx, Leblanc, Lux 2, Yi, Morgana, Nidalee, Yasuo

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Hm, maybe I should include Norra too

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But I fear she can be too slow when up against top tier

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If the attack token doesn't land on your first turn, you can fall off a bit hard

frail falcon
stuck island
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Oathge solves that issue kekw

frail falcon
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Turn 1 0 mana Gnar?

glacial scarab
frail falcon
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And delete an early stage?

glacial scarab
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Basically he's only good for deleting early stages

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He is absolutely bad

frail falcon
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So the 5/4 then slam

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And if you fail the 5/4

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Oops?

stuck island
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How do u trigger the cost reduction t1?

glacial scarab
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5/4, Proto poro, Pokey Stick

stuck island
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Ah ig if he doesn't cost mana u can play sth beforehand

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Always forget that

frail falcon
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Oh true stick

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So you have 2 options

glacial scarab
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Just literally half the deck

frail falcon
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Impact poro doesn't quite count no?

glacial scarab
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Oh, you're assuming no token

stuck island
glacial scarab
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It actually doesn't matter if you have T1 token

frail falcon
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I mean, you want Gnar to attack

glacial scarab
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It's not as important as you think

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You only need to win by token 2

frail falcon
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So it doesn't matter that Gnar hits face?

glacial scarab
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Surprisingly, no.

frail falcon
stuck island
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It probably helps a lot but isn't quite necessary

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If hp is low enough

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Or cards drawn good enough

glacial scarab
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Going wide is more important than Gnar hitting face early

frail falcon
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I see

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Oh yeah, can you check the relic build page

glacial scarab
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Gnar hitting face early is at most 5 damage

frail falcon
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And see if there is anything worth adding

stuck island
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Well, ima try to finish monthlies in the first week next month to contribute to data

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Tho ig I'll have to keep track of my used relics then

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Smh having to do work

frail falcon
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Xun, you think Norra is worth being S tier

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Or more of an A tier

glacial scarab
frail falcon
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Think she is the only champ I'm sus about

frail falcon
stuck island
glacial scarab
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Norra is a mixed bag, insane high rolls, god awful low rolls

frail falcon
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A tier then

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When I think about how she actually gets portals going

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Well, RNG can easily give you nothing for your first 2 turns

glacial scarab
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Vi has performed surprsingly well

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But also I understand why she's so low

frail falcon
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Triple Curator?

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Wait no, double and Hammer

glacial scarab
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She needs the specialized build so I understand why she's that low

frail falcon
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Is the specialized build just Hammer and 2 Gatebreaker

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So she's more of a spell

glacial scarab
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Basically.

frail falcon
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Deals 25 damage (trade)

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Then play 2nd copy and dab

glacial scarab
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But 20 play speed damage is pretty good

frail falcon
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I pray for Scissors

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Only then can I smile

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Also, this is my bias, but

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I hate Warhammer lol

glacial scarab
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oh it's bad.

frail falcon
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Anytime I see it, I wish I have Scissors

glacial scarab
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I just never had a reason to innovate until recent

frail falcon
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Ooh

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What's your innovation

glacial scarab
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secret :3

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I have my own version of your spreadsheet with a bunch of adjustments

frail falcon
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How about a lil' tip? 😛

frail falcon
glacial scarab
frail falcon
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Or the planner guide?

glacial scarab
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Planner

frail falcon
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What kinds of adjustment?

glacial scarab
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You guys did an incredible job, and now I leech off of it :)

frail falcon
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I wanna see if I can improve it and make it more user friendly

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Also, did you see the ability to automatically choose which relic setup in the planner?

glacial scarab
frail falcon
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Select 1-3 and it's auto

glacial scarab
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I don't use it as much as a casual player but it's REALLY CONVENIENT.

frail falcon
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🙏

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I will say this

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Making the Notes section for the guide is annoying lol

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It's basically making the guide for every stage lol, and I try not to half ass it

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Having the ability to easily fill out 70 different builds?

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So, I recall you talking about making adjustments

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Can you tell me more? eyeseeyou

glacial scarab
frail falcon
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20-25 mutators?

glacial scarab
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20-25 CHARACTERS (champions)

frail falcon
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Ah

glacial scarab
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I've specialized it to me (and various specialty builds)

frail falcon
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The data is where I have all the mutators and enemy champs

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And you filter it to only 20-25 noteworthy ones?

glacial scarab
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I filtered the counters portion

frail falcon
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Ah, I see

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Honestly, in due time I will add a section to that data

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Called "Silver Bullet"

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Handcrafted build to auto win

glacial scarab
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Put reptetion Neeko in there pls

frail falcon
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But I will put her in "good" cuz she is not straightforward

glacial scarab
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Oh for sure

frail falcon
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Wait

glacial scarab
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Tierlists vary from player-to-player after all

frail falcon
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Did I miss that build in the 6 Neeko builds

glacial scarab
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I don't follow the builds everyone else uses :P

frail falcon
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Wait no it's there

glacial scarab
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Takes away from innovation

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Sometimes I'll take a look for inspiration

frail falcon
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I do have the gun + 2 Luden in the build section

glacial scarab
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But if League taught me anything, the most commonly used build/playstyle is not always the best one.

frail falcon
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I do include a ton of builds

glacial scarab
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True.

frail falcon
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Like 6 different ones for Lux Illuminated

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Or 6 for Vex

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Who really, really needs help

stuck island
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You even took some random's opinion on epic axe norra lulusip

frail falcon
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Chemtech Duplicator The Grand General's Counterplan Stormrazor
The Curator's Gatebreaker Riptide Battery The Grand General's Counterplan
Chosen by the Stars Hymn of Valor Lost Chapter
Echoing Spirit The Loose Cannon's Payload The Grand General's Counterplan
Fear-Cleaving Axe Utmost Despair The Grand General's Counterplan
Fear-Cleaving Axe The Beast Within Death's Foil

glacial scarab
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Confirming that the last one sucks

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._.

frail falcon
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Lul

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Time to replace

glacial scarab
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I swapped Beast Within for Bladerack

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...suddenly the deck made a lot more sense

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Basically it gives actual removal options

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BW is just win more

frail falcon
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Oh, you used Death's Foil?

glacial scarab
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Surprisingly, yes. But as a build against Liss and not for Monthly

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Monthly doesn't need it.

frail falcon
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Chemtech Duplicator The Grand General's Counterplan Stormrazor
The Curator's Gatebreaker Riptide Battery The Grand General's Counterplan
Chosen by the Stars Hymn of Valor Lost Chapter
Echoing Spirit The Loose Cannon's Payload The Grand General's Counterplan
Fear-Cleaving Axe Utmost Despair The Grand General's Counterplan
Oath of the Guardians Star Gem Star Gem

glacial scarab
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Easily interchangable with Stormrazor

frail falcon
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Which build should I ditch for the Axe - Foil - Bladerack

glacial scarab
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Oath gem/gem

frail falcon
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True

glacial scarab
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It's basically good on everyone

frail falcon
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Lul

glacial scarab
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I'm mixed on Echoing on Vex

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She costs 4 and your early game sucks as is

frail falcon
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True

glacial scarab
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I'm leaning toward that Chosen/Hymn build though, just swap Chapter with Chemtech

frail falcon
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That build is based on the idea of discarding your entire hand for Payload

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And pew pew

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Hm, how do I improve the idea of the Payload build

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Vex with a ton of pow pow

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Lost Chapter, Loose Cannon Payload and Dreadway Chase Gun in the proper order?

glacial scarab
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Lost Chapter or Archangels but yes

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-6 per Pow-Pow

frail falcon
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Chemtech Duplicator The Grand General's Counterplan Stormrazor
Dreadway Chase Gun The Loose Cannon's Payload Archangel's Staff
The Curator's Gatebreaker Riptide Battery The Grand General's Counterplan
Chosen by the Stars Hymn of Valor Chemtech Duplicator
Fear-Cleaving Axe Utmost Despair The Grand General's Counterplan
Fear-Cleaving Axe Death's Foil Laurent Bladerack

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Yeah, these 6 should look distinct enough

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Replaced the Counterplan in Despair build with Beast Within

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Should cover all the bases

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@glacial scarab thanks 😄

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I should make a reddit post for Vex

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Saying "Yeah, she sucks, but try these to help"

worldly otter
glacial scarab
worldly otter
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I use 2 guardian orb bcs it procs with shapeshifter

glacial scarab
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Repetition Neeko is Echoing Spirit + Dreadway Chasegun + Luden's as a turn 1 victory as a counter to Repetition or Mirror Mage mutators that lets you win with 50 damage without even having the attack token

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Echoing Spirit + Scissors + Guardian Orb creates 6 Neeko clones and 18 random epic items as early as first token

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Each Neeko is 4/2 with Impact

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So that's already 30 damage if you miss

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Bonus points for Echoing Spirit:
Every additional Neeko on board decreases your champ spell by 1. Means you have free Shapesplitter with 3 Neeko on board.

worldly otter
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Me using chameleon bcs i dont have echoing spirit

glacial scarab
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you may think it's the same, but it isn't.

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The cost decrease means winning on T1 vs T2

worldly otter
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Yeah ik u get reduced spell cost

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I just wanna increase the chance of drawing her

frail falcon
glacial scarab
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no

frail falcon
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Update time

frail falcon
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I recalled hearing about Janna, is she still your go-to?

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The Silver Bullet

glacial scarab
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it is also Neeko

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:)

frail falcon
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Repetition and Progress, same?

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Makes sense

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The math checks out

glacial scarab
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neeko good

frail falcon
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I'll get to work on a Silver Bullet list for all mutators

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And see what's up

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And let you know

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Actually

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@glacial scarab how many champs have more than 1 silver bullet build for you?

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Like for example, you have 2 Neeko builds for monthly

glacial scarab
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The answer is both yes and no

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For each given month, I'll stick with one build per champ

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That one build can change

frail falcon
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I see

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Sticking to 1 build helps speed

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But being too stiff in what the best build is IS detrimental in the long term, indeed

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Especially as new relics come in

peak kiln
worldly otter
plain seal
glossy sentinel
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435 msgs.
God Damn.

peak kiln
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Like what criteria are you using?

peak kiln
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Has it really happened to you?

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What relics were you using?

peak kiln
# 
 Champion      Uses
 Gwen            11
 Nidalee         10
 Morgana          5
 LeBlanc          4
 Thresh           3
 Aurelion Sol     2
 Jinx             2
 Kindred          2
 Varus            2

These were the champions used

peak kiln
peak kiln
stuck island
worldly otter
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Also "uses" doesnt mean their winrate and that sample size is way too small

peak kiln
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Most people used Aurelion or LeBlanc

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But yeah if Kai'Sa can kill you before turn 3, then you die as Jinx. But it's not like Jinx is unable to kill them by turn 3 like you're saying either.

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The conversation was basically this:

- Jinx is top 3, she deals 40 by turn 3
- Nope (refuses to elaborate)

worldly otter
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also idk if you purposely left this out, on that same data u used, someone lost with jinx

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and the point was she was risky to use

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thats why i dont put her on SS, none of the SS units are as risky

peak kiln
worldly otter
peak kiln
worldly otter
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exactly the point

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you can't see who lost with it

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so how is pointing to that "data" really brings anything to ur point

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if you search how many times i use the word "risky" its always about the winrate

peak kiln
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...You could have just said "We can't tell who lost with Jinx"

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But just for the record PetiB does have a tab for deaths in his sheets. Below is the one for January.

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worldly otter
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Thats not even this monthly's

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We still cant see whether they would have won or lost had they used jinx

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Especially for specific challenges, like this month's 48

frail falcon
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@worldly otter so what is your point regarding Jinx?

worldly otter
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Shes S tier but there are far more consistent and reliable for hard challenges

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For example eve with 2 or 3 crests can make her attack big stats enemies with double strike, or remove spellshield of that said enemy before striking

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Yasuo with typical relic build can reliably defend while you're building your board

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Same with morgana

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Nidalee is far better aggresively than jinx and can bait the ai into doing stuff

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Ausol is best bcs he's him

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So putting jinx with all their high tier champs doesnt fit at all

frail falcon
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@worldly otter do you use Payload for her

worldly otter
worldly otter
frail falcon
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Personally, Jinx > Eve

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Jinx's only real weaknesses are +Health mutators and Tough

worldly otter
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What relic u use on eve

frail falcon
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Echoing Spirit, Tempest Blade, Crownguard Inheritance, the default

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It takes you a 2 empty turns to get there, and you can be disrupted

worldly otter
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Bro what is that shitty ahh build

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Just use echoing spirit and 2 crests

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Thats why you think shes weak

frail falcon
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What, are you going for Starforged Luminous and Tempest

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So she comes out 1 turn faster, and still has the stun?

worldly otter
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Lmao "comes out faster = better"

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No do u know what crests do

worldly otter
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And this is the reason why shes the 2nd strongest champ

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You dont even have to stun the enemy if u can kill the enemy, and that spell also removes spells targeting her

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So shes fizz on steroid

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She can literally never die

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Ever

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Got challenged? Crest strike on the enemt attacking

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Bigger stats or he has spellshield? Well good thing u brought two

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Spellshield/barrier

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Theres no counter to her

frail falcon
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Oh

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That's your point

worldly otter
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I mean if u doesnt even use 1 crest on eve you're already playing her wrong

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You can opt for 2 or 3 crest

frail falcon
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uh huh, sure

worldly otter
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But i think 3 is too much so i use echoing spirit

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Simply bcs u can save up the spells for next round

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And guaranteeing to draw her as bonus

frail falcon
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Builds I've collected for Evelynn

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Some are meme fun

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Yeah, your build is one of the recommended ones

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Deceiver go brrrr

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And gotta have level 25 builds for people out there

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67% of total exp for level 25, and 100% for level 30

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anyway, since the topic now shifts to "Eve so cool" vs my point of "Jinx is cool", I'll stop with the debate

worldly otter
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I wouldnt rely on jinx to get hard challenges done

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I would rely on any of the SS

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6 champs, thats 18 trump tries

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Hard challenges arent even more than 10

frail falcon
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Your call

glacial scarab
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As I say, every character has their place

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There are even fights I wouldn't pick ASol or LeBlanc that Jinx is better in

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There are fights where Jinx sucks and I'd rather pick Teemo

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It's unhelpful to say that character X always is better than character Y

worldly otter
glacial scarab
frail falcon
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Monthly is where you find the right tool for the job

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Some tools are super versatile, but often even those have a limit

worldly otter
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Chances are if that challenge is good for teemo, its probably also good for darius

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So they're both as good as each other

frail falcon
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nope

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Chronicles of Ruin is a mutator Teemo is good at, but not Darius

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Who gets hard countered by it

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Next argument, if there's one

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If your argument is about how a screwdriver is better than a hammer because it can sometimes act like a hammer, then I'll say it's a silly argument

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Especially with the matter of limited use, 3 uses of a champ in a 70-challenge Monthly

worldly otter
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Thats why tier list exist

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If you're saying teemo is good then you'd be saying darius is as well

frail falcon
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Uh, yes

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He's good for his role

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That's why I have 2 spectrums to judge a champ by

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Its power level, strength, and its role as a counter to specific mutators

worldly otter
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yeah their role is to use up their tries on easy ahh challenge

fringe mulch
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I see a lot of names here I recognisekekw

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You summoned the path keyboard warriors

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worldly otter
stuck island
worldly otter
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According to the tier list shes in top 8