Can we stop with the Lizard spam

[steel robin]

The fact I'm making this suggestion in the first place just shows how over used it is and how annoying it's become.

You could be having a conversation with someone or a group of people in general chat and someone can just come along and do the command for no reason other than to spam the chat, which is annoying.

My suggestion is this :

1. The cooldown needs to be lengthened from 1 minute to 1 hour.
2. (If even possible) Make it to where if someone uses the command, no-one else can use it whilst it's on cooldown.

[upper thunder]

Ratio

[hexed minnow]

Actually

It has a cooldown of 2 minutes

While it is on cooldown nobody else can use it

[steel robin]

Good

[steel robin]

Needs to be longer

[idle osprey]

If you ever wonder why matches in WOTMA often lack any sort of strategy, just scroll through general chat.

[hexed minnow]

Nooooo I like lizard. But yeah sometimes 2 minutes might be a bit short

[somber violet]

with a chat that can be as desert as the sahara, 2 minutes is no where near enough

[weary nebula]

Its just a shame that 95% of comms from the community team is just spamming memes.

[steel robin]

Or talking about the weather, crème eggs or inside jokes

[upper thunder]

You just don't understand the niche british reference in a game with a HQ in Chicago

[steel robin]

There is literally no point in talking about the weather as we've had the same for the entire year so far, rain with 1 day of sun

[worthy hinge]

Bobby lizard creme egg HAHAHAHHA

[tight nexus]

Other 5% is thinking up new bot names.

[main pilot]

/lizard. Sorry im curious must be bot

[foggy isle]

"Hey when can we expect future balancing changes"

Haha funny lizard

The unprofessionalism and straight up ignorance from this team is not only disrespectful but it's also insanely reflective of the state of the game

Have some fun, it's a video game after all, but this is just absurd

[steel robin]

Yep

[hexed minnow]

If you ask me, better have a community that has fun with those things than a community that says bad game bad company every single time something happens

[foggy isle]

We wouldn't be saying "bad game bad company" if literally every update wasn't such a disappointment that ignores to even mention highly requested community suggestions

No balancing, removal of paired MM, constant top tier premium additions, very slow TT additions that ultimately prove to be very disappointing, terrible and/or unoriginal maps.

[fresh prairie]

Look. Bam has been informed of our balance concerns. There’s not much else for KB or BFG to do on that front

And as for the maps. Yall have been begging for legacy maps to return

[foggy isle]

We?

Who is we?

You speakin French or smth?

[fresh prairie]

What?

Did you read the message you just replied to?

Right. As if WoT players can read.

[steel robin]

There is a difference between having fun and just spamming the same topic which has over 1000 comments already

[main geyser]

• There was tons of balance patches in the past 12 months and there will be more in future.. In fact this is the first patch in a while that hasn't had any in that time frame i think
• Paired MM wasn't removed, specific special MM for several tanks was.
• I went and checked the past 4 seasons (not including this one) and there was 38 premiums released, 4 were Tier 10 or top of Era 3. So 1 per season. Reality doesn't seem to match the way you are making it sound here
• There has been a new TT added every season last year and all but 1 season the year before. That is faster than literally any other WoT product and i'm not sure how you can be much faster.
• Funny you mention maps, there was a thread on the PC reddit the other day talking about how they are shocked that we have nearly 50% more maps and seem to be putting maps out faster than PC.

There is plenty of things to say we can do better, but this seems more like you are just throwing around random statements and hoping no one can be bothered to question it tbh.

[fresh prairie]

We do have maps that were removed from PC (I would absolutely love to see redshire updated to PC’s version though)

The map is great don’t get me wrong. But having somewhere with cover that isn’t a hill would be nice

[foggy isle]

I did, actually. You said "yall have been begging for maps to return."

I have been very vocal about my distaste for older and/or reused maps

[fresh prairie]

Yeah. The french joke only works if i say we

I didn’t

[foggy isle]

I have no idea why you're lumping a whole unknown group of individuals together

[foggy isle]

Yeah idrc. Still addressing the issue that you're creating this legacy map group with me somehow in it

[fresh prairie]

I SWEAR you have asked for old maps to return

[upper thunder]

I think the map issue is not lack of maps to me personally, but is rather the rotation

Whenever I play the game it feels like I get a select ~10ish maps daily and those are the only ones I ever see that day

[main geyser]

tbf i didn't say they are all great or argue the point that they are. I just said it's funny timing because of that. As i said, plenty of things to say we can do better but the vast majority of what i replied to is objectively untrue. How good a map is opinion and i have no right to say Dakota's opinion is wrong.

There was that debate in said thread, about how good some of the old maps that we brought back that PC hasn't for example.

[upper thunder]

Would we, as in the players, be able to have an article with how exactly the MM picks a map?

🙏

[foggy isle]

●And of all of these balance patches, how impactful have they been? The T249 is still ruining high tier light tank gameplay. The Night Stalker is still stomping lobbies. The Wiesel 1 MK is ripping most Era 2 tanks in half. The Molot and Belka are still insanely unfun to come up against.

●Yeah, and it's that removal I'm talking about. For example, what's an XM551 gonna do when it has to fight a T249. Nothing, it either sits around doing nothing or tries to scout and dies having done nothing.

●One top tier premium a season doesn't seem so bad until it's sold for 6k or even 2k gold and a little bit of time to commit, at which point now it goes from a new addition to a new norm. The Osorio and Belka for instance are everywhere. It's hard trying to play off-meta picks when someone can buy a Season Pass tank that completely outclasses me in every way.

●The Grom was added about a year and four months ago, and it was only a couple weeks ago that we got confirmation we were getting the TT line and the Deep-Rifled Gun mechanic. To get a premium for a line and get the line this much later is quite questionable to say the least.

●More maps isn't the issue. It's originality and quality. So many maps follow similar formulas, and others also do not fit their tier/mode.

[main geyser]

that would be a question for KB, SPG and our content team tbh. I have to imagine it's a combo of somewhat random + trying to avoid giving you the same map 2 times in a row

[fresh prairie]

Iirc the MM selects the players before the map, then selects the map based on which ones the selected players have played a match on recently

[foggy isle]

I want big maps cause CW, not old maps. Idc about Widepark or Province or whatever

[fresh prairie]

I actively despise big maps because i main superheavies. Which get shafted enough as is

[upper thunder]

Would you be able to uh, pass the question on for me? Other devs are usually not interactive or live in uncompatible timezones

[foggy isle]

Which is where one of my bullet points in that big message comes in.
Maps do not need to exist at certain tiers or in certain modes

Province never should have been in Era 1

[fresh prairie]

I’ll agree there

[foggy isle]

Halfaya Pass never should have been in WW2

[upper thunder]

I'd really like to know how I can get Safe Haven 8 times within 2 days but never see Prok

[foggy isle]

God I would kill to never get Prok

[upper thunder]

L take

[foggy isle]

I play things like the Sturmtiger and Jageroo it's completely logical

[fresh prairie]

I think what needs to happen is there needs to be a schedule of:
1 huge map for CW
1 regular sized map for WW2

Repeat

Even if it takes a while

[supple bluff]

this feels like an excellent time to slap a lizard command in the middle of a conversation to kill anything constructive 🦎

[fresh prairie]

Even if the new CW maps were just expanded versions of WW2 maps

Dammit dakota

[foggy isle]

Nah that doesn't work

Halfaya Pass isn't fun in CW or WW2

[upper thunder]

Nebelburg back in WW2 🥀

[fresh prairie]

Ape

[foggy isle]

Make a unique map: ❌

Cut part of a CW map off and make it otherwise completely identical to the CW version: ✅

[upper thunder]

Nebelburg for both modes came out at the same time

It is technically a unique map

I actually didn't mind it as a map

[main geyser]

So i mean first thing, you seem to have now changed all of your points 😅 shifting goal posts is a pretty "meh" way to stand by what you said and kinda makes my point.

• T249 win rate is not above 50% most months and is basically middle of the pack now, battle count continues to drop. How about the rest of the more than 100 tanks? Most of the ones changed have seen the complaints disappear completely or drop off a cliff. Sounds like the changes were pretty impactful? And to start a trend, how is that related to "no balancing" which is what you said?
• Paired MM is the entire MM system, so i added a correction.
• That is a change in what you said though (again), you said the issue was a constant number of them and now it's the exposure of a small number of them. Which yes, for any tank of any tier via the SP you see a spike in battle count and then it drops. Belka had a spike in Jan which obviously has nothing to do with release, and has already started to drop back down. Osorio is now at around 40% of the battles it was at in December and still heading down.
• again, not a point you made before. And also not something abnormal. But i fail to see how that relates to your claim of slow release of TT's.
• Most maps follow the same "formulas" on all games. Currently the focus remains on bringing back maps that were previously removed because it was something (as mentioned by cheese i think) complained about a lot. We have limited pipelines and so we will do what is most requested and most sort after first before moving onto the next thing.

gonna reply to a few more things and then stop as it's rather off topic at this point

[upper thunder]

I am gonna call out the T249 thing. It is not ruining games by stats

[upper thunder]

If you play the game, you'd know exactly how it ruins games

[foggy isle]

No issue at all

[main geyser]

in theory, it's much more fun to poke KB though... so can do both at the same time and poke her on teams 😄

And technically not a dev, so don't let me change/alter your expectations 😅

[upper thunder]

I was 3 marking the Manticore and kept running into this same T249 like 6 times where he would sit in spawn, wait for me to get spotted, ape me, kill me, and die

That was his gameplay loop

The tank is absolutely HORRID compared to other lights

[feral cape]

The T249 is something im trying to bug/ raise again.

[upper thunder]

But is mechanically broken cause fighting it is awful

[foggy isle]

Unfun to play, unfun to play against

[fresh prairie]

There does need to be a tier 10 focused balance patch

Which (again) bam has been informed on according to KB

[upper thunder]

I have almost every tier 10 LT 3 marked now, including the T249, and that pretty much sums it up

[lethal garnet]

They only makes new premiums for money

[feral cape]

Its an all game deep focus patch thats needed.

[fresh prairie]

Yeah look. It’s not just premiums.

[foggy isle]

... I mean, yeah? That's kinda the point of a paid tank lmao.

[feral cape]

We cant really afford another, 20.tanks here, wait 6 months.

[fresh prairie]

The strongest TT heavy is a damn tank destroyer

[foggy isle]

20 tanks here with meaningless changes. Surely my accuracy being improved by 0.02 and aim time by 0.17 will make this tank go from F to S tier.

[upper thunder]

E5 might be winning

Slightly

[main geyser]

the changed point was about going from there was no balance changes to they weren't impactful. Changes in win rate, changes in damage, changes in survival, changes in battles played, etc etc are all pretty impactful changes. That's more my point. Overall Game balance impact, rather than just "a moment in game" impact if that makes sense. Sort of like how OG waffle would "ruin" your game because it came around and clipped you, but then it died and so it wasn't that impactful to the game, similar could i guess be said for things like old 183's with the 1750 alpha. Impact on YOUR game was disproportionate to the impact on THE game - if that makes sense

[foggy isle]

Call it even

[main geyser]

dying in a light tank in under 1 minute has nothing to do with the tank on the other side realistically. I'm no turkey but that is 100% down to the play and not the tank.

[upper thunder]

When people reference the T249, they are usually fully aware that the tank sucks, but that is the point. It is horrendous to use because it lacks in pen and loses camo while moving. It relies entirely on potential damage and just servers as a Ape-Mobile that people use to ape, kill someone in an unreactable 1.5s, and then die

[fresh prairie]

As a specialist in dying early in matches

Yes

[feral cape]

Eh, can be very 50/50 when the T249 just goes full yolo focus basically every time.

[foggy isle]

LOL what

[feral cape]

The toxic side of it is still, heavily there.

[upper thunder]

Heat, I am chalking this up to you not playing the game recently, no offense lol

[fresh prairie]

If a T249 decides another light is going to die they are GOING to die

[upper thunder]

Play any light other than the T-100, and the T249 kills you instantly

[main geyser]

again though, i didn't counter that. The OG comment was "there is no balance changes", so i pointed out there has been tons. Then it changed to "there has been no impact to any balance changes" to which i pointed out that the tank raised has had it's stats change quite a lot, and that there has been a change in all the other tanks balanced.

So you're also countering a point i didn't make

[foggy isle]

So tell me, can all Light Tanks kill each other in mere seconds with a yolo, with no counterplay at all?

[upper thunder]

The balance changes made did not fix anything is the point I'm trying to make

And the suggestions that have been made to actually fix the tank have recieved no response

[main geyser]

"that one thing isn't where i would like it" is not the same as "there is no balance changes" nor "no balance change has been impactful" though

that was my point

[upper thunder]

No balance change has been impactful

What?

[main geyser]

as i also said, several times, there is plenty for people to say we could do better or need to do

[upper thunder]

All the last balance change for the T249 did was make it awful to play

It did not fix the underlying issue 😂

[main geyser]

#1473057675729174734 message And of all of these balance patches, how impactful have they been?

[upper thunder]

*for the T249 I should add

[main geyser]

again, context. I replied to that there was "no balance changes" and then i replied to the above, that none of the changes were impactful

[upper thunder]

My bad

Whenever someone mentions the T249 it activates me like the Winter Soldier

[main geyser]

hence my you're arguing against a point i didn't make 😄

But objectively, the T249 changes had an impact on it overall... it may not be "enough" to you and others, but it objectively has seen an impactful change. Saying "it's absolutely fine now" is not a comment i said or made

[upper thunder]

The first point here is the one I am arguing against

If you are implying that the winrate now implies that it's better than it was before, I disagree

[earnest wyvern]

<@&647566865295474713>

[main geyser]

which is why i clarified in my reply to you that it's impact in the game overall has changed... this is unquestionable because that is what the stats represent. BUT then said that it doesn't mean that it's impact on YOUR game have improved/changed.

[upper thunder]

This is why the T249 is like arty 🥀

Statistically looks fine but ruins individual games

[main geyser]

Again, my reply was purely to there has been "no impact"

you can say you think it wasn't enough or the impact change wasn't what you'd want, but a drastic difference in it's stats is an impact.

[upper thunder]

Different definition of impact ig

[lethal garnet]

Yeah but if they will make the ww2 maps bigger for the cw it will be a good thing imo

[fresh prairie]

Hot damn they actually deleted that? Crazy work

[round furnace]

While I do agree with the epilepsy thing he mentioned, the reply was removed as being disrespectful

[main geyser]

that's what i was trying to get at with what i clarified #1473057675729174734 message

i'm not saying i think the tank is fine, i avoid making such black and white statements as a rule 😄 i can comment on stats and data, because they are factual

[upper thunder]

That's on me for misinterpreting

It's early

[main geyser]

so to say there was "no impact" from all the balance changes is clearly untrue - basically 😄

[upper thunder]

There was no positive impact

[main geyser]

all good, it's also an area people get passionate about and can easily see something because they think it's going to be said 😅 if you get what i mean

[fresh prairie]

The tank changed. But everyone's main problem with it didn't is what's being said here

The problem being it's time to kill squishies

[upper thunder]

Or literally anything with a thin plate on the tank

The Rogal Dorn can be fully magged

[fresh prairie]

Trust me I know

If it can kill you. And you don't have a way of killing it first
You are already dead

It's old waffle all over again

[upper thunder]

It's more akin to arty

Old Waffle had some competitiveness to it

[fresh prairie]

Even if he dies, he got what he wanted which was to ruin your match

I know because I have done it myself. At one point I used the T249 to hunt down and kill E4 players

[main geyser]

1. If a tank is spotted it can die to anything. I'm sure there are some real Kings of light tanks who can tell you more.
2. you are making it out as if the T249 killed the sheridan while it was in some impossible to get to position, show the map of where it died. Because if it died out in the open then it completely defeats your point and makes mine. And if it died how you are implying then it proves your point more.
3. There is pretty much always counter play... not going to a position that increases the chance of being yolo'd down for example.
4. Again, i haven't argued about the TTK issues you are trying to bring up, you are just using a pretty bad example to make your point.

[main geyser]

which i didn't counter against, i countered the point that NO impact has come from ANY balance changes. So i used that even the T249 has some changes to it's stats

i then also brought up other tanks and mentioned that there are many more

kinda being fixated on a point i didn't even make, and the entire point i did make being ignored/missed 😅

[fresh prairie]

With light tanks positioning matters less, as they can choose to rush in at any time
Look at arty and the hunting that happens

[upper thunder]

Some of the balance changes were definitely impactful

I won't disagree

[fresh prairie]

You can position yourself pretty well, but if the light decides he's going to run you down he WILL run you down

It's no different with regular tanks

[main geyser]

that is kinda where it should have ended 😅 as it was my entire point

[upper thunder]

ST-II got overnerfed, CS-63 got overnerfed, AAT60 is kinda mid now, VZ-55 got a deserved nerf, E6 got another buff

Definitely impactful

Lol

[fresh prairie]

Anyway. I'm going on a caffeine run

About the only thing keeping me alive

[upper thunder]

We got hung up on the T249 part because we all have very tense feelings about the tank because 2 suggestions to fix it have recieved no response and we have recieved no word on future changes

And instead, Paired MM for the tank got removed so playing against it is even worse

So now it just ruins tier 8-10 LT gameplay 🙂

And then dies

[main geyser]

i blame @vital bough, not sure why yet... but give me time. Will find a reason

[vital bough]

Well I continue to play it when I got yolod by one since its seemingly the only scout played at tier 10 on NA lol

[main geyser]

see, he provided the reason for me. All his fault. #Proof

🤜

[vital bough]

Its blatantly awful for the light tank play at that tier

[supple bluff]

might be worth mentioning though that half that list of impactful changes you gave were mid to early 2024 🥀

[upper thunder]

I blame the guy with 5,000 battles in it I keep seeing on NA who spends his games yoloing anyone who decides to play a LT

[vital bough]

Can we please ban him lol

The community will be a better place

[fresh prairie]

The community would also be a better place if everyone who actively uses the E4 gets banned

That thing is a stain on this game

[worthy hinge]

Does it not resonate in the slightest that the only member of the community who agrees with you here is a rage baiter who no longer plays the game?

Meanwhile those of us who do play the game daily raise the exact same concerns again, daily, get constant pushback?

It's just kinda obscene to watch really

[main geyser]

Pushback against what exactly? And again, i literally replied to multiple false statements, the reply to which was then more mostly false statements. Anything that was opinion I didn't reply to.

So there is nothing to agree or disagree with to start with, just factually incorrect statements being pointed out as incorrect.

And then no one agreed with anything, 1 person misunderstood what I was saying and argued against something I didn't say and then after repeated explanation and clarification accepted I wasn't saying what they think.

So not sure what you're "watching" because either it's not anything written here or with such level of a tinted lense you can watch the world's strongest eclipse no problem.

[worthy hinge]

I mean no disrespect but in every single thread most people are against what you're saying and the one guy agreeing with you doesn't play the game

[main geyser]

Most of the time I'm replying it's to provide info on things where people have stated factually incorrect things or because there is information missing from the picture being presented and so I will then and provide it and then let people form a more informed opinion.

The key point here is i very rarely discuss or debate anything that is debatable. I will provide information, factual information. If someone is "disagreeing" with facts then that says more about them and anyone agreeing with them than it does about what I'm saying.

What you are basically saying is that it is concerning if when someone says "5 + 2 = 128,450" that I say "no, it's 7" and said person doesn't accept what I said. In such cases I'm not sure why you'd want to be on the side of the person stating factually incorrect things.

And again, to make it very clear... I'm not, didn't and rarely argue opinions. So there is nothing to disagree with unless someone is being purposefully obtuse, intentionally trying to be inflammatory, or willfully ignorant... or apply hanlons razer for potential other reasons.

Also don't think it's remotely true to say that in every single thread most people are against what you're saying and the one guy agreeing with you doesn't play the game... this week alone that isn't true, literally in this thread it isn't true 😅. The only person who "disagreed" with me in this thread is the person who i corrected on false statements, then shifted the goal posts and provided more false information which i corrected again. People won't always like what I'm saying because people are often use to talking nonsense and not being called on it, but even in those cases usually the people actually wanting to make informed decisions appreciate the info. I would assume that's why on multiple occasions many people have defended me against some of the more vitriolic comments that sometimes get made in response to said corrections.

[rare kiln]

[naive dragon]

TBF it's not necessary for people to post they agree--point already made. Additionally when people get censured for unnecessarily arguing they tend to comment less and just let the complaints roll on. The discord is essentially just a place for leaving negative feedback at this point not for real discussion.

[feral cape]

The irony of that message.

Think you'll find when there has been a actual civil discussion in numerous threads and channels between some of the mods there has actually be some fairly decent discussions both at a minor and bigger level.

[naive dragon]

Your irony has been noted. 👍

[hexed minnow]

Stop with the Lizard Commands / Spam
Edit: In this suggestion thread

[steel robin]

Beat me to it

[somber violet]

is this genuine

i thought spamming was against the rules

[hexed minnow]

in this channel

not everywhere

[steel robin]

No, everywhere

It needs to stop

The "joke" isn't funny anymore

[hexed minnow]

eh, i'd argue that as long as a good portion of the community thinks its funny it is still funny.

[steel robin]

That only applies to those not a mod or WG

[hexed minnow]

Please dont argue thanks. I came here to clear out the Lizard Spam In this thread

[somber violet]

i bet if it wasnt a mod doing it it would be punished

[hexed minnow]

In general channel people do it every now and then its fine, after all KB made the command

great my copy paste isnt functioning

[somber violet]

so its fine to spam and break a rule if a red name said so

its fine until it isnt fine

i just wanna be clear

[hexed minnow]

there is a different in Spamming it as in disrupting conversations and enthusiastic use of a meme command

thats why there is a global 2 minute cooldown for the command

[somber violet]

a whole 2 minutes

grand

so it would be fine for me at this current moment in a 10 minute period to send 5 lizard commands into general chat?

[hexed minnow]

in the last 24h the lizard command was used twice

[somber violet]

its a 2 minute cooldown so its okay right

[hexed minnow]

its not like it is used every 2 minutes

[somber violet]

but i could and it would be fine because thats the cooldown for it though

and its an enthusiastic use of a command KB created

[hexed minnow]

if we see it being used every 2 minutes for an extended period of time then we'll probably take action

[somber violet]

meme thing

[hexed minnow]

but right now it isnt being spammed like crazy

[somber violet]

its not because its already died off and its gotten real old real quick

its unpleasant opening a chat and the first thing you see is the same thing you saw an hour ago

only with an updated timestamp

[foggy isle]

The big issue we have with it is it interrupting important discussions constantly

We'll be talking about major balancing issues or whatever and some creature shows up to interrupt everything to show the server the 700000th lizard "meme"

[naive dragon]

Sounds like you all need a holiday...

Nothing beats a Jet2 Holiday.

[worthy hinge]

"It's dying down"

[earnest wyvern]

That was posted like 30 hours ago and it’s genuinely one of the best YouTube shorts they’ve posted 🥀

[vernal flower]

OK.. That was funny..

[worthy hinge]

Okay

https://tenor.com/view/calm-down-a-bit-calm-down-relax-gif-3234894596200294187

To be fair I hadn't watched it

[earnest wyvern]

Interesting, I thought the mod told us we aren’t allowed to use the lizard command in here anymore