Remove all the extra speed upgrades from Era 1 Western Light tanks

[wise root]

Western Light tanks go too fast in Era 1. It makes them toxic. They seem to have the historic top speed stock. THEN they get an even faster imaginary speed with the engine upgrade. Plus Turbocharger equipment adds an addition 5% on top of the already boosted speed.

Examples:

FV107 historic is 80.5. That is what is gets stock. But then with an upgrade it gets 86.9. Of course the FV107 is also from the Era 2 timeline, but a time machine put it in Era 1.

The Walker Bulldog 72 stock and historic but 80 upgraded.

RU 251 is 80 historic. Website is showing 89.3 both stock and upgraded.

The extra top speed they get is problem because it ends up making them toxic. They simply can outrun everything. They can stay ahead of guns and turret rotation. Add some internet lag or old gen graphics and they are quite difficult for the average player to hit. Lower than average players just get farmed even harder than they normally do.

[torn quarry]

Yes

[radiant finch]

That's all they have going for them with true vision, they would be sitting ducks for enemy team

[chilly venture]

How do you think the IS-4M and IS-3M feel lol

Besides

These lights are atill insanely fast without said upgrades

[radiant finch]

Is4 blocks anything is top tier only real competitor is m103 poobarn and 430u

[radiant finch]

Doesn't really pen is4 at all

[chilly venture]

That's ignoring the point you made

You said they'd be sitting ducks

[radiant finch]

Yes all lts have is speed for armor if they didn't have speed everyone would be hitting them w.o missing and making them complete jokes.

[chilly venture]

So the FV107 going 80.5 instead of 86.9 magically makes it the world's easiest shot?

Or the M41A1 going 72?

Or god forbid the RU-251 goes 80 instead of pushing 100 on some builds

[radiant finch]

Nope not a single issue at all for me I hit them, if I get circled by a light then I got played, sounds like you can't calculate and shoot where there going to be the next few seconds, there's a custom game room and shell velocity speeds that help you learn where to shoot.

[chilly venture]

????

Who said I can't lead shots

Completely redirecting the issue

Leading shots isn't the issue anyway with speed, idk where you got that from

It's pursuits that make the speed absurd

Good look getting that FV107 in your IS-4M

Or M48A5PI

Or Centurion 5/1

Or Object 268

It's completely fine that the FV107 for instance is faster than the other classes

What's not fine is making it so absurdly fast that even other light tanks struggle to catch up

[velvet iris]

i can understand about Era 1 bc we dont have coaxials in era 1

[chilly venture]

An autocannon is a cheap solution

And ultimately fails to address the problem

[velvet iris]

yep you are right

[chilly venture]

Yeah it'll make killing an FV107 faster, but what's gonna happen to the poor Type 63 and 62? They won't even get a chance to do anything.

[velvet iris]

lights are almost toxic if they are not already

but we need lights, it changes a game, like drastically, so how balance them ? they have good penning against medium, they go fast, very fast, almost impossible to aim tbh, but some guys are so good at the game its not a problem as i can see, if they are easy to shoot its not better at all..

[chilly venture]

Pen isn't the issue, it's armor

And that's simply not something that can be changed

CW doctrine saw the rise of MBTs which traded side and rear armor for increased mobility while focusing on frontal armor

The tanks by design are intentionally underarmored

[velvet iris]

so there is no solutions to rebalance CW mode ? bc there are so much issues in this mode we can right a book, i mean an encyclopaedia

I dont really understand how armor works in CW mode tbh

[radiant finch]

It's layard some tanks firing heat should not expect to pen layard tanks like the is4, era 2 stuff that has more strong armor is vulnerable to missiles generally then era 3 you have to play to figure out weak spots comes with experience once figured out it's enjoyable

[velvet iris]

hmmm it makes sence now, I know about weak spots but how armor works in this game was mysterious to me, thank you.

is there a website, index or whatever where we can see in details where to shoot every tanks ?

[radiant finch]

Some are lower plate, some are turret ring or turret there's weak spots you just gotta play enough

And make sure your not wasting heats because tracks absorb those

[velvet iris]

this happens EVERY time, i play AMX 30B (only, dont ask why i'm french XD), so it shots heat by default, and in a game i can shot like easily 10 on 55 rounds and makes no damages bc tracks absorb them

so weak spots exist on console ? bc it feels like its not at first

[radiant finch]

If your from PC yha cw is more fast paced a tiny more forgiving than WW2 , so at most in era 2 and era 1 try not to use heats because quite a few tanks eat those rounds via armor or tacks so the Russian tanks and slim few western tanks will absorb shells

[velvet iris]

AMX can only shot heat till 30b2.. its not bad but yeah i dont want to tell sh*t but personnaly 30% of my shots are absorbed, and 10% bc i dont pay attention where i shoot

[radiant finch]

That's why you kinda got to grind silver to spam pammo apcr, or you only have like small amounts of spots to pen

Gets better in era 3

[chilly venture]

There are solutions. Reduce speed. Reduce DPM. Nerd problematic tanks..

There are a comical number of ways to balance the game atm

[velvet iris]

The issue with Era 1 light tanks isn’t just their speed — it’s the combination of mobility and penetration. They can move extremely fast and still penetrate most tanks frontally, which leaves them with very few real downsides.

Instead of nerfing their top speed, it would make more sense to reduce their effectiveness while moving (more dispersion, less stabilization) or slightly lower their standard penetration so they have to flank rather than fight head-on.

Light tanks should specialize in spotting and flanking, not outperform mediums or heavies in direct combat.

[radiant finch]

With true vision spotting is mostly useless cause you can see with your two eyeballs

[velvet iris]

yep, true vision is definitely a problem in my opinion

[obsidian karma]

TV is nice but it kinda makes lights useless on field maps like airfield, and westfield but TV also severely limits the skill required to play the game because people can just sit at the back of the map and attempt to snipe

[velvet iris]

yes ! exactly, we dont even play the game.. on Oyster bay for exemple, open side is only a sniping battle + north spawn is way too much advantaged bc of tv in my opinion.. there are some maps where it is impossible to move from spawn..

[wise root]

You should really make a True Vision thread.

I made the TV thread for you.

Go to the TV thread topic. This one is about the speed of ERA 1 light tanks. If you want to effectively discus true vision the topic needs to be dedicated to that.

[chilly venture]

TV doesn't make lights useless om Airfield

Airfield itself makes them useless

Map is too small