Era 3 TDs

[forest wadi]

With the SK-105A2 coming tomorrow, Era 3 TDs have had a bit of light shone on them once again. Mainly in regards to the number of premiums to non-premiums, but generally their overall lack of numbers in general.

Naturally, I would like to see more. That's generally the case for any tanks, but I would indeed like to see more Era 3 TDs.

The vehicle attached is a Wiesel armed with twin HOT ATGMs. Unlike the TOW, I propose that this be slower to account for the full turret and more potent ATGM.
There is also a variant that replaces one of the HOT missiles with a 20mm autocannon

Aforementioned variant.

[upbeat orbit]

God this thing would be unimaginably top heavy

[forest wadi]

The AMX-10 HOT is another ATGM armed vehicle, again with HOTs.
In this instance, there's four of them. There is another version with a 20mm autocannon

Aforementioned variant

With the SK-105A2 being a TD, I would argue that the AMX-13 HOT also be added as a TD.

The gun wouldn't be the best, certainly, but it would probably still do fine against the sides and rear of MBTs

The STT Chimera 1984 was a proposal to use older Chieftain hulls in conjunction with the then-new Challenger.
Much like the CTR in Era 2, this vehicle has very thick frontal armour and potentially a new gun (I believe the one on the MBT-80).

Wasn't adopted or built, but would make for one of the very few true casemate TDs in Era 3.

I would actually prefer it be a TD tank after the Mk 11.

A Challenger based crane-mounted ATGM armed vehicle.

A number of concepts like this were developed from several nations, and improvised examples have been used.

Naturally, the Germans built a prototype of the concept on a Leopard 1 hull

[forest wadi]

The Sprut-SD and Sprut-SSV are classed as TDs, so would both be applicable here

It would be inappropriate to mention the SK-105A2 and not bring up the SK-105A3.

Upgunned with the 105mm M68 and equipped with a stabiliser, a prototype was built.

[vapid depot]

Are these suggestions serious or inflammatory to get reactions ?
Because we are nowhere near April 1st yet

[forest wadi]

April 1st will be a bunch of slightly modified T-72s.

No, these are serious suggestions. Some cannon armed, some ATGM armed. Nothing outside the realm of reason for the game.

[vapid depot]

It’s insanity to suggest bringing more wiesels in and that crane thing would be completely broken

[languid flare]

Just balance it right

[forest wadi]

I am only suggesting the first Wiesel here, the other is an additionally mentioned vehicle.
There's also the French VPX series that I will post later, but that's not too many vehicles.

As for the cranes, depends on implementation. I wouldn't expect having the full range of extension, and certainly not without weaknesses. Put the ammo rack in the turret or something.

[languid flare]

Would love to see some of these expand some tech tree options for TDs if possible

[vapid depot]

Do you want the game to be full of tiny tracked vehicles ?

[forest wadi]

The Chimera, AMX-10, Sprut and SK-105A3 could probably be put onto a TT without too much difficulty.

As much as Tom will be loath to hear this, the Wiesel HOT should be doable too. Put it after a Jaguar 2 or something.

The telescoping vehicles are very much premium. Or at the very least, the Challenger hull is. Might be possible to add a few German designs into a TT branch.

The AMX-13? Could come after a SS.11 TT vehicle

[woven hollow]

I still think we need more tt era3 td,s wild we still only have the one

The current list of era3 td,s if im not mistaken
Object 477a
Object 490b
Weasel tow
Jaguar 1
Type89
Sk 105a2

[grim crane]

What a nice false dichotomy

"I want these tanks to be added and balanced"

"Oh so you must want the game to be filled with tiny tracked vehicles"

That's not at all what my man Sturm said

[woven hollow]

He just hates anything small and or had atgm,s/autocannon,s

[grim crane]

I expect nothing less

[woven hollow]

Irrelevant if said tank is actually balanced

Such as the Bradley,s

If not underwhelming

[spark python]

I made a split tech tree of these tanks with the Wiesel 2 version of this being the top

As for other main cannon TDs? Object 450

[vapid depot]

What’s false about it ? The wiesel is tiny

[vapid depot]

Why shouldn’t I ?

[spark python]

Object 477 (there's one based off the T-80 and then one based off the T-64)

[grim crane]

No thank you.

[vapid depot]

He agrees with adding the them so he obviously thinks it’s fine

[vapid depot]

With the same armour as the current 477 ?

[grim crane]

Oh I get it now

[spark python]

And then there's the 477A1 nota that is a further iteration on the T-80 based make of the earlier 477

[grim crane]

@languid flare how dare you wanna fill the game with small tanks! All you do is play small tanks and ruin the game! 😠 😡 😡

[vapid depot]

That’s not what I said

[grim crane]

Shame on you Sturm. I can't believe you would ever wanna do that to Cold War

[vapid depot]

It’s childish wanting to keep adding these tiny vehicles

[spark python]

Childish? There are only a handful of these kinds of small vehicles that ever existed compared to the litany of other more conventional tanks with their sizes

Like a 30:1 ratio

And I'm being generous with that

[vapid depot]

They are like vehicles that belong in a circus

[woven hollow]

At some point you just need to accept they aren't going anywhere and move on unless you enjoy getting clowned on repeatedly

[vapid depot]

It’s bad enough that we already have 3 tiny vehicles in Cold War without bringing anymore in.

[spark python]

Oh no!! 3 of them ??
It's just too much!

[woven hollow]

Dude just likes to ragebait

[vapid depot]

Keep on rotting the game out then 👍

[woven hollow]

Games fine lmao literally only you and you totally not a alt does this my guy

Get over it it's honestly annoying af

[languid flare]

Moar 🙏

[vapid depot]

It’s not only me loads of players hate these tiny vehicles that don’t belong in the game

[woven hollow]

Funny how you complain about cw having fast rat tanks but not ww2 where there is a lot of them lol

[vapid depot]

Are you really saying that Toby750 and me are the same person again ?

[vapid depot]

That doesn’t mean that’s ok either

[languid flare]

Is it only because they are widdle guys or is it because they got overtuned camo, high speed, and guns capable of 1 clipping/ammo racking?

[forest wadi]

In regards to tiny tanks, there's only three families you need to be concerned.

The ELC, which is from the 50's/60's and thus not in consideration for this thread, the Wiesel which had already been mentioned, and the VPX-5000.

There's two variants worth mentioning. The HOT armed and the Milan armed. I've attached both

[smoky kiln]

Why am I surprised to see Tom/Toby appear when a Wiesel is mentioned

[spark python]

There's also the VPX110M with the MILAN MCT turret like the second image of that VPX 5000

[forest wadi]

Single Milan VPX-5000 for sheer tininess, complete with average 10' Frenchman

A Warrior with the Quad-HOT turret. Although it might be pre-Warrior technically

And for yet another HOT armed light tank, a Spanish M41 variant.

Because there's TOW missiles in both Era 2 and 3, this M41 TUA is possible in Era 3.

[spark python]

UDES 17

UDES 32

32 got a full mockup made

[woven hollow]

Looks goofy but probably would be fun

[polar schooner]

I wanna get this tank and the price ain’t bad for a new release tank base, but it’s gonna get eaten by MBTs in era 3

It’s pen is fine but not great

I love autoloaders too

I think the rdf remains the king of autoloaders in Cold War. I want the tc8 or whatever it’s called tho

Less than 1k coins from getting the t57, it’ll be a fun tank, but def not OP

I guess the kranvagn premium in era 1 may be the strongest, I don’t have it

But I love the rdf that thing is amazing

[forest wadi]

This Bradley LOSAT is certainly one of the more interesting ATGM armed designs.

Unlike standard missiles, the LOSAT is a kinetic ATGM. It uses a rocket to launch a rod of metal at hypersonic speeds. The actual penetration of the system is unknown, but a test missile did destroy a T-72 variant with ERA.

This is a post-99 vehicle, but a LOSAT armed carrier based on the M8 chassis was in development in 1995.

Naturally, the M113 Hellfire is a textbook Era 3 missile carrier, on account of the Hellfires being utterly massive

[grim crane]

The LOSAT platform is one of those vehicle designs where I'd like to see an inverted damage and pen falloff

[forest wadi]

I forsee a variation on the crunch mechanic.

Probably without the historical minimum range, but the further out you are the higher the penetration and damage gets

Shame there's only a small number of Kinetic ATGM designs out there

[grim crane]

I don't see how or why there'd be a minimum distance. There's no explosive aspect to it

[forest wadi]

Needs time to build up speed. The historical ones had a minimum of 500m

[forest wadi]

The CCSLEP on XM1108 is an upgraded version of the Chaparral SAM. Unlike the base Chaparral, it has access to mount Hellfires and potentially LOSATs on the bottom rail.
Whilst the SAM is not relevant to us, the Hellfires absolutely are.

[spark python]

Aaannnd here comes Tom with the mass thumb downs for no good reason

[forest wadi]

I understand the missiles but why the UDES 32?
That's a 12cm pod-mounted, otherwise paper-ish vehicle. That should be uncontroversial

The Object 299 was an idea for a base platform that reached the prototype stage.
A single base chassis was constructed.

There were proposals for a MBT with a 152mm gun, a heavy IFV and a missile carrier. This is the MBT

The missile carrier has vertically launching missiles.

[spark python]

UDES 32 leads to the further development of the T140s and O140 with the pod mounted design
It's more a continuation of the design for the UDES 17 that would eventually carry over to the O140 design

[forest wadi]

UDES 19 -> UDES 17 -> UDES 32 -> Strv 2000 O140

[spark python]

Haven't been able to find a better image of this O140/40 model
Don't know if a standalone O140 was very conceived, but the model doesnt have that bofors gun where it should be

[vapid depot]

It’s just disagreeing what’s the problem ?

[spark python]

i ended up with this

a bottom era 3 140mm i think would be interesting

this is the model for the standard T140

[woven hollow]

Ngl hope on the 2026 roadmap the cw Swedish line gets announced

[spark python]

the one next to it im not 100% sure what it is, but it seems to be similar in structure to what the T120 was

[forest wadi]

And I don't exactly agree with that myself, but it would be boring if we agreed with everything

[forest wadi]

That kinda looks like the CV90 based design.

The 120mm?

[spark python]

full image

[woven hollow]

Are there any potential candidates for era3 Italian td,s ?

[spark python]

furthest left is most likely the 120B

[forest wadi]

Not really, no

[woven hollow]

Damn

[forest wadi]

There's a couple of TUA designs that can function in Era 3, but it'll basically be a different flavour of M901

[spark python]

ehhhhh
techincally the wheeled centauro tanks because theyre classed as that

[woven hollow]

Interesting

But first we need wheeled vehicles finally in cw

That would unlock so much

[spark python]

perhaps, i think it might be the "strenghtened" version that would go to the L140 later on

it is a different hull model to that of the above O140 model

[woven hollow]

You know besides Italy and Sweden cw tt,s what other nations could be added ?

Maybe nk?

[spark python]

swiss

brazil

south africa

[forest wadi]

Austria is a possibility

Spain mayhaps

[spark python]

austria will undoubtedly split off from a swiss line

[forest wadi]

A Yugoslav line might be possible too

[spark python]

spain would be a weird one with placement because it would likely be split up into different sections within the larger umbrella of the western alliance conglomerate

the spanish wouldnt all be in just one spot like all the other nations are

unless some serious workaround and placments of nations got changed

[woven hollow]

We could also get a mini branch of sk tanks

[spark python]

really wish i was able to get my hands on these models in person and see the real names/history behind them

same for the swiss chansard tanks because apparently theres a whole slew of those that were made that no images/details exist for them

[spark python]

ok so furthest left is the T120B

L120 is also mentioned, and that does seems to fit the middle ones looks comparativelely to what the L140 was supposed to look like

[spark python]

made one last night

[forest wadi]

For the purpose of this thread, I would only consider the O140/40 as a TD. If only due to the pod system.

[spark python]

thats what im also kind of mixed on is if it should be a TD or a heavy

[forest wadi]

Everything else is more reliant on what comes before it. For example, if the "final" Strv 2000 came after the Strv 103D or UDES 11, then that'll be a TD. After the Strv 105, a Heavy

[spark python]

i designed my one onf how the developments led to one another not striclty abiding by classification of tanks - thats why its all more intervonnected at the end

though, i can likely split it up so that there not one singular point for just a top tier era 3 out of all the rest, ill figure it out

[smoky kiln]

You forgot I made this one?

[forest wadi]

Yes

I forget quite a bit lately

[smoky kiln]

Showing your age lately with the amount of things you're forgetting

[upbeat orbit]

He just sees TDs, and doesn't read past that