#+1-1 I don't care what anybody says, it's possible

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graceful grove
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When you see the sister game to wot, wow doing so well with its player base and especially its +1-1 you start to think that why can't wot be the same?? The developers moan and groan about how there isn't the player base to do so, I can guarantee my entire life savings that if you implement +1-1 into the game many more people old and new will return to the game. The real reason it won't be implemented by the developers is money, they want more tier 8s to suffer in constant 10s and 7s to suffer against 9s and so on, so people are forced to fire premium wich its addition in the game is already questionable, and its to force people to buy that lovely premium tank that smashes them all game with its impenetrable armour and high power gun, however if you're thinking "wot is a business, it needs to make money somehow" yet again turn to wowsl and see that many people enjoy the game and buy premium ships on there because they enjoy the game not because they're so frustrated they need to buy it. In that case bring +1-1 or at least have regular times where +1-1 is a thing, because I thought world of tanks was always the bigger game, not world of warships

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The game is dying it is clear! So make the grind easier on everyone and allow our tech tree tanks a fighting chance in battles I don't want to rely on that tier X or tier IX to carry me through battles I want to be rewarded for my skill

latent skiff
graceful grove
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Shooting gold is one of those ways of easing the grind free xp is also another way

latent skiff
graceful grove
latent skiff
# graceful grove It's very true but the conversation about premium ammos existence in the game an...

It costs no real money to use and its necessary vs a lot of tanks therefore it should be in the game thats not a matter of opinion its a fact as things stand currently.

Now the penetration offered shouldn't be so varied that some tanks are just blatantly pay to win and a limit on premium rounds could be imposed like they do on some missile tanks in cw where you can have 12 of each type that way it forces people to actually think about when to use the prammo or when to conserve it a 50/50 split would be reasonable to ask for or maybe 60/40 so standard rounds is the main type.

Although some tanks would need significant buffs if this was to happen looking at you leman russ with your 232 standard pen

graceful grove
molten compass
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When I hear software devs say something is impossible
I hear…. “We could do it, but don’t want to do the work.

latent skiff
# graceful grove Do you wanna start a chat on premium ammo instead?

I've said my piece on premium my point was premiums not why they won't change to +1-1 it's to sell more free xp tanks does have the population to support +1-1 all the pref tanks we have prove it sure it may slow the mm down a bit but people would be willing to wait a minute to get into a match we already do when server population is low and they can just populate the game with bots in the cases where there wasn't enough players in time it will still be a mostly full lobby of players

they won't do this because free xp sales are intrinsically tied to stock grinds.

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They've hidden the change server to try to keep players from swapping as easily next step is going to be they merge servers into one maybe they will revisit it then

graceful grove
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Generally it's difficult for many people, experienced or not to actually have a good game against those of 2 higher tiers, my case in premium ammo is that what's you have to use to actually do damage, premium may be just silver, however its incredibly costly to run that and consumables to make you competitive, and as such you have to buy or earn premium days and perhaps a premium tank to better earn silver, I also see that silver events such as this are good but low xp games especially for noob players is gonna be difficult they won't always achieve the silver with interest challenge

latent skiff
# graceful grove Generally it's difficult for many people, experienced or not to actually have a ...

If your struggling for silver play cold war if you somehow don't have one of the many premium tanks they've given away for cw even the stock starter tanks print silver the centurion 2 is a great silver farmer and crew trainer silver is not the issue even without premium time

And for the down 2 match ups I've always said it's bad until you get to t8 then you start having tanks that can deal with being bottom tiered it's not ideal and your going to get screwed over in the process in alot of tanks but if its a stock grind thats ruining your stats / fun you do have the option to play coop until its not stock sure it's not great silver and xp but it doesn't affect stats and you mostly win those matches so can be a more consistent way to grind especially for low skill players that are struggling

scarlet yoke
red raven
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Anyone have silver problems currently? After all this free premium tanks, silver events, boosters? I didn’t spent any money on this game and I would easily spam a gold in every battle if I wanted to lol. 15:0 games are way more annoying than +-2 mm. On pc game started with -+3 mm without gold ammo available for silver and players were dealing with that. Thats a part of this game. Sometimes you shoot from 8 tier to 6, sometimes you sit in 6 against 8.

molten compass
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No silver problems here. Before I quit the game in 2017 for 3 years, I stocked up to 100 million in silver. Now I am at 131 million and can use prammo, lose multiple games, and play without any worries. Mostly, I have stopped buying from the tech tree, except for a couple of tanks. Now, my expense is just time.

plush fox
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Silver was always an issue pre Build 6.0 (which is why Premium Tier 8 silver and XP earners were so popular). But CW made Tier 8 $ and XP tanks irrelevant . The number of Premiums available to "buy" has increased of course because the game is older. Thier were just fewer Premiums around pre 2018, BUT there are so many Premiums in 2023 WG had to "remove" hundreds from regular sales. When you fire -2 MM 'gold' ammo, which is a silver drain, often will still not pen the top Tier tanks. So you have less health, less armour and less pen. Grinding TT lines is no longer necessary to play in 2023. In a lot of ways it is a drain on players time, money for little reward using un competitive tanks. Sadly, for me at least if I want to play and have fun with equal Tired tanks I use Coop mode.

graceful grove
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Tier 8s just get matched to 10s whereas cw you don't have to worry about uptiers

wicked quarry
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Yes is possible, they'ed either have to turn it on, or mostly likely rebuild the MM before a new season or update. They've done it many times in the past, and they could easily do it again in the future. The want the game to be hard and frusterating.

graceful grove
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Wich is true just now we suffered in ww2 and are now back to cw

crisp cypress
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Back to cw? Most ppl play ww2 like myself lol

graceful grove
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Well ww2 matchmaking is atrocious compared to cw

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Top of era 1 can't fight bottom of era 2, and so on wich is better for gameplay I feel

winter temple
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Nope... Not enough players. I don't want bots simply to fill in just to have it.

plush fox
winter temple
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You could try math... 😉 What part of not enough player is hard?

plush fox
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I'm sorry you don't understand what I have said. WG says we don't have enough players. Nobody knows what that is or how its calculated or what the"wait time" would be in 2023 for a 15v15 player only match. My suggestions are made on WG replys re not enough players. When the game had enough players +/-1 was still not used even though it was constantly asked for over the years.

graceful grove
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Many people dont play because the matchmaking is poor

mint frigate
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+1/-1 would increase player numbers. I know people who have quit saying mainly because +2/-2 is broken.

west canopy
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I’d even be ok if they just reworked the current system as it is now. Maybe like 1 in 5 games you are bottom tier and that’s reasonable to me.

atomic gale
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+1/-1 is just not possible. However, I would do whatever it takes to rebalance tanks and tiers so that the power difference between each tier was half or less than half of what it currently is.

That way +2/-2 would be LIKE +1/-1

sage kindle
west canopy
sage kindle
west canopy
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The argument is that switching to +1 -1 will bring many many many players back to the game

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Just because you haven’t played it doesn’t mean it doesn’t triple regular WoT playerbase on steam regularly and that doesn’t include mobile players

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It also has balanced premium ammo. More pen but less damage per shot.

sage kindle
sage kindle
west canopy
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Blitz is a lot of fun. Sometimes I go back and play it for a couple weeks. Graphics are rough but they are updating the models little by little to make it look pretty decent

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Their pricing model is the best of the 3 tank games by far also. Console wot is my fav but +1 -1 would just make it absolutely outstanding

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They could even do a priority +1 -1 matchmaking for a month to see how it does. During that month if matchmaking gets too slow then let it fall back on +2 -2. But I’m positive an update like that would bring a surge of people back

twilit epoch
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Right now the mm is scks

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And wg developers are just either blind or dunno

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They killing this game

west canopy
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Sometimes I don’t mind the +2 in tier 8 because it’ll help you learn to play more passive to survive. But other times it just feels like you stand no chance if your tier 10 teammates fail. I think the reason it sucks is because the match feels entirely out of your control and you don’t feel like you make much impact. So bottom tier never feels satisfying or fun.

coarse oasis
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I also don’t mind +2 on console bc I choose not to play past tier 6 so I’ll never see tier 9s grinding to tier X I did enough of on PC and it’s jus suffering especially with every game being bottom tier 3 arty. Console I almost never feel like I’ve gotten too many +2 in comparison

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+1/-1 would revive the game tho

plush fox
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Or make all Season tasks available in Coop mode 🤔?

atomic gale
plush fox
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You are correct that the Seven Weekly Season tasks are the same, the other Challenges seem to require Multi player. Contracts are of course Multi player.

molten compass
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When they say the word “can’t” when it relates to software, I hear “we don’t want to.” I used to work on software development for business applications before retiring. It takes time, and thought, but I have never encountered “impossible.”

atomic gale
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It is not a matter of coding that is stopping +1/-1. As it has been already mentioned, there just aren't enough players to support it.

I still say rebalance the tanks so that being 2 tiers down isn't as big of a deal.

mint frigate
atomic gale
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At least it is possible. They did buff the health of lower and mid tiers. that helped some although I am not sure how much closer the lower tiers ended up to each other. But that really just made it worse for tier 8 since now 6's and some 7's have more health. But 8's still are outclassed by 9's and heavily by tier 10.

Tier 8 seems to be the tier of most concern as there are hundreds of premium tanks in tier 8.

plush fox
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I'm still not sure about the low Tiers health buffs. It takes more 'hits and pens' to kill a tank now which is both good and bad. E.g. a plus 2 tank can now 'farm' -2 tanks for damage (especially if the -2 tank still can't pen the higher Tier tank) and low tier tanks with small ammo storage can just run out of ammo if RNG is not great and you are actually heavily engaged with brawling in a battle from the start. Tier 8 is of most concern I agree when -2.

west canopy
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They should just make tier 8 +0 -0. Tier 9 and 10 play together. 7 and below can -2 or +2 if tier 5 and lower

magic fog
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It isn't necessarily due to the reduction of players, but the fragmentation of players between the 2 game modes.

graceful grove
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They don't even bother with the +1-1 weekends

magic fog
sage kindle
magic fog
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The addition of CW split the playerbase, and because of that it may make +-1 much harder to do. That isnt because the game has less players, but again the playerbase is split by an unknown amount.

magic fog
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But whats done is done and significant changes about what could have been arent really useful.

sage kindle
magic fog
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One of which isnt on console.

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And WWII WoT has tanks from the 90s in it.

sage kindle
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pc devs never came to such an idea, so why console devs? all about increasing the playerbase to make more $$$ at the end...

magic fog
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The PC devs also arent infallible.

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I would have been 100% fine if more tiers were added with more modern vehicles.

sage kindle
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no they arent, but pc game doesnt suffer from a small playerbase, this is probably why our devs did cw, but it didnt increase playerbase enough at the end, it just splitted it and now they need to develop stuff for both modes, wich even slows development a lot...

magic fog
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This game doesnt necessarily suffer from a small playerbase either, that is just an assumption.

sage kindle
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whats the average player daily? like 15k?

magic fog
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I dont know? Do you know?

sage kindle
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if numbers are correct shown ingame its between 10 and 15k, but dunno how many are playing ww2/cw

magic fog
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You also have to include both servers, but do you know the active player count for PC?

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And the numbers shown ingame only show those who are currently online, not how many have been active over the past 24h.

sage kindle
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72k +

magic fog
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Based off of what?

sage kindle
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based on mmo populations

magic fog
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The only reliable stat we have is the Steam charts as those are publicaly available official numbers.

sage kindle
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its one of the lowest numbers i found so far, but even if its only 50k, still a lot more than on console

magic fog
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Steam charts lists 5.4k daily active users

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That is the only official number we have.

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One other thing to note is that WoTC is in a list of the top 10 most played games for Xbox One and PS4.

sage kindle
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atm console shows
eu 3897/10296
us 6399/10296
so 10k is low, just how many of the 10k are ww2 and how many are cw? 50/50?

brazen geyser
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Remember before we have class based mm we get -1/+1 but with class mm we hardly get any. I wonder if class based mm affect whole -1/+1 cuz of lack of specific class players.

magic fog
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Again, what are you basing the "low" off of? PC? Other console games?

sage kindle
magic fog
sage kindle
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steam is the most terrible source for wot numbers

magic fog
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Its the only reliable sourse we have. Others are estimates.

sage kindle
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yes they are, but theres no other way you can get the numbers

magic fog
sage kindle
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and i still say, the playerbase on console is small, i remember back, even before 6.0, 20k+ players played the game same time

magic fog
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Id 100% say that it is significantly smaller than PCs, but that has a lof of factors, one of which include that consoles arent that popular in the Slavic countries.

sage kindle
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i dunno about that

magic fog
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That region has 3 servers. It by far is the most populated region.

sage kindle
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here in swiss, all i can say, pc are way more playing than on console and here its like on 10 ps its 1 xbox 😅

magic fog
sage kindle
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yes, i remember an article from kislyi, he said when he sold ru game/servers to lesta studios, the biggest part of the wot community and a lot of money got lost...

magic fog
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According to that PC is has the second largest market, behind mobile.

sage kindle
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so before console by a lot i think

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still, with the situation we have now, +/-1 will sadly never happen...

magic fog
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Yep, but I wouldnt say it is because WoTC has a low amount of players.

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Just not enough in WWII to support +-1 matches with an under 2m queue time.

sage kindle
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maybe compared to other games its not a "low" amount, but its not enough to get +/- 1 😅

west canopy
magic fog
atomic gale
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If you compare hit points between the Tier 8s, Tier 9s and Tier 10s there is a huge difference.

Stock tier 8 M26, 48% 1350 vs 2000 for the Tier 10 M48.
Upgraded M26, 39% 1440 vs 2000.

Stock tier 9 M46, 25% 1600 vs 2000 for the Tier 10 M48.
Upgraded M46, 17.6% 1700 vs 2000.

Era 1 has similar difference. But when you get into Era 2 things start to even out.

Stock bottom tier M60 2300, 17% 2300 vs 2700 for the top tier upgraded M60A3.
Upgraded bottom tier M60 2500, 8% 2500 vs 2700 for the top tier upgraded M60A3.
Upgraded bottom tier M60 2500, SAME 2500 vs 2500 for the top tier stock M60A3.

So in Era 2 the stock tank two tiers down is about the same power level lower as an upgraded tank one tier down in WW2 (-17%). Then it gets upgraded and closes the gap farther. Then there is a mid tier tank in between those. A stock Era 2 tank at bottom tier has a better fighting chance against top tier tanks in CW Era 2 than an upgraded tier 9 has against tier 10s in WW2.

One can start to see why players are moving to Cold War. If WW2 was rebalanced to the same power differences, I believe WW2 would be become more popular than it is. Not just current players picking it. But better NEW Player recruitment and retention.

mint frigate
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Numbers-wise, does a tier 6 have a much easier time fighting a tier 8 than a tier 8 does fighting a tier 10? It feels that way but I wonder what the numbers say.

plush fox
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Tier 6 have around 800 to 1,000 HP and Tier 8 around 1500 . T6 pen is around 145 to 180 ish depending of course whether its a light, medium etc. So health looks a bit closer maybe but armour is a different matter.

atomic gale
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The tier 6 Sherman Jumbo gets 830 stock to 865 HP upgraded. Tier 8 M26 1350 stock to 1440 upgraded. That is a whopping 66% difference. No wonder bottom tiers get stomped.