Nerf Cold War FV4211

[hybrid sparrow]

This tank is broken can easily one vs 3 several tanks and even worse with trios, it defects nearly all the missle even from the rear

[urban gate]

I never saw one deflect a rocket from it's rear, but its armor is definitely too good.It's the only thing with reliable armor in era 2, making it op.

[deft sluice]

They do have frontal weak spots. The Leo’s have no trouble penning the sides. Just about anything can pen the rear. They are easy to set on fire with a BMP-2 on their tail.

[icy wolf]

They will not nerf it

Trust me on that

[cosmic saddle]

The 4211 is how I grind silver in the game, but I will be the first to say it’s broken. At this point, Wargaming just needs to stop selling it, but they won’t. Like the Pz. V/IV, it makes them too much money

[wary rune]

My magach has no chance if meeting FV4211 frontal.

[mighty loom]

Giant commander hatch learn to shoot it...

[urban gate]

Still op.

[mighty loom]

It appears anything that has "Armor" is OP to you. Do you want all tank to have 1mm armor so you can just auto aim and not have to think about shots?

[urban gate]

Dude, look at all the other tanks in the era.Their armor is nowhere near as good.It's the only thing that has reliable armor and that's what makes it op.

[urban gate]

Anything that has armor while everything else doesn't is op, yes.

[mighty loom]

Like I said....
Just give all tanks 1mm armor so people won't have to think too hard.

[south anvil]

oh no some armoured vehicles in a game about tanks have armour

[mighty loom]

Leopard 2av, and TR125 have just as good armor. While Leopard VT2, and T55 Enigma have best turrets and hull down they are 10x better than the FV4211.

But in contrast FV4211 has a far inferior gun to most tanks

[urban gate]

Is that why I can pen those much more often?Penning the tr125 all the time.It's not all about thickness in cw, more about structure.

[mighty loom]

You obviously can't pen all of those much easier! I saw your other post crying about the Leopard 2av.

[urban gate]

Logic reason, not balance.The leopard 2 is era 3, but 2av is era2🤦‍♂️

Stop talking like you know me.

You don't

The 2av is era 2

But a newer model than the 2

Yet the 2 is era 3.

You have 0 reading comprehension, I swear.

The m60's don't have a newer model than one considered era3 in era 2.

And I make no sense.

[south anvil]

If anything I'd say buff the FV4211 I'd love to have an actual challenge around my money and exp pinatas

[urban gate]

Profile pic checks out😂.

[south anvil]

[urban gate]

Fv4211 armor definetely shouldnt bounce missiles

[south anvil]

I mean it's kinda what it's designed to protect against

[urban gate]

It definitely shouldn't bounce bullets with 400+ pen.

Oh, and I talked to a few.Did you know that fv4211 players actually think that they're good?Despite it being the only thing they can do anything with?Just like oppressor mk2 griefers in gta online.

[south anvil]

Meh they can keep their delusions as long as I get to keep killing them

Shots in their cupola, front wheel, sides, rear and lower glacis and you're laughing

[urban gate]

They still have an unfair advantage.Saying it doesn't need to be addressed is also delusion.Think about when you're face to face alone with one, when you have a bad tank with bad pen or about, average players who struggle playing at such a disadvantage.

In the grand scheme of things, you really can't argue that it doesn't need a nerf.

[urban gate]

Oh yeah, or about those times when you get caught without cover and it doesn't pen due to rng or some mistake on your part (you can't tell me you make no mistakes, let's be realistic now)and that thing gets to kill you because of it,when against anything else you'd have won.I usually play mid range on the front line, a playstile that often gets you outnumbered.I don't usually have a problem with it, but when there's one of those things (or multiple) that bounces my magach 5 shells with 420 pen when I aimed for weakspots thanks to op armor and rng, it really messes up my game.It reduces my skill to 0 when that happens, they just get to ignore a good chunk of my shells simply because.How is that fair and not nonsense.(and it's not slow or has bad gun either, so you can't argue it's doing a trade off for its armor.And hell even the side armor bounces a lot of bullets, even when not angled.I've seen that happen.l

Playing outnumbered is already hard and games are suppossed to be fun and relaxing, ffs.

This is annoying.

[urban gate]

Correction: side armor shouldnt bounce missiles like it s nothing, i mean WGCB what u want me to do aiming for weakspots with that laggy guiding laser

[frozen river]

Just dont let unis play it, problem solved. Its OP, its there as a spuds shield for their krieger effect, it helps them not get merced by missles in ERA 2, lets them continue being spuds. It always has been OP, it always will be. Of course the side armour bounces stuff, its a minute man with a challenger hull and a chiefton gun. Its not even that slow, and it has british gun depression

[frozen river]

yes the side armour should bounce missles, they are Heat rounds and that is spaced armour. leopard 1 gun mantlet will do same

[wintry urchin]

It should be era 3 it was the development tank that led to the creation of the challenger tanks so the fv4211 should have been a tech tree tank or at least a premium at the bottom of era 3.

In custom games it can hold its own against most era 3s its armour is still fairly effective frontally and in a side scrape its laughing.

It doesn't need nerfing it needs buffing and moving up to era 3 the same as what should have happened to the armadillo.

[urban gate]

That s deep bro

[frozen river]

ive bounced more than 1 off my mantlet of the Leo 1 (CW), bounced my sherry missle off 1 and bounced MANY heat shells with my tier 10 leo. Its the only place on the leo that reliably does bounce a shot. Providing it heat not AP, learn your ammo types dude

[urban gate]

Are u some kind of wise man

[frozen river]

you can also side scrape a leo, so maybe. Im just sayin, 1 in ten il bounce, as opposed to the 1 in 20 or 50 others might get while playin leo

[keen hornet]

Dont pay attention to a one bad player asking nerf tank that cant pen

[cosmic saddle]

You don’t understand what kind of armor it has. It has composite armor when is meant to block ATGMS and Chemical rounds. It’s the same thing with ERA that’s spread all over the later Era 2 US Mediums and most Era 2 Russian MBT’s

I agree it’s too powerful, but it’s bc the armor is doing exactly what it’s supposed to

[urban gate]

So nerf the armor or move it to era 3.

[urban gate]

I dont care if it has mithril armor blessed by mentally impaired Joe, for balance purposes it s not good, generally speaking tanks exposing their side, overangling, getting flanked etc. Should be punished. One of the unwritten rules of WoT.

[mighty loom]

It's armor is a non factor if you know where to shoot, heck I find the T55 Enigma harder to deal with.

[urban gate]

It's way easier to hit the tank than one spot on it(which you can miss and have to aim for, giving it an opportunity to shoot back it otherwise wouldn't have had)

And just because 0.1% of players can shoot that small spot half the time is not a good enough reason to keep it this way.

At least make it slow, armor this good should be heavy, if you wanna go realistic.

Lastly, you only have a harder time with the enigma because it's new, it has more weakspots and overall weaker armor.

[urban gate]

Also that spot is not always an option, and the cupola cannot be penetrated by anything on that.Not even with a leopard 1a1 you are not guaranteed to pen the cupola.

And I'm one of the 0.1% that can reliably deal with it and I can say, it's much more difficult fighting that than anything else.

The enigma is also most likely played by the best players, as those tend to get the tanks first.

[mighty loom]

I wouldn't be opposed to moving it to era 3 as long as they buff the gun

[urban gate]

That's also a solution

[onyx mountain]

Agree with You, they think they are good players... even if they can't play it...

I often meet FV4211 who don't move from their base... while You fight on the map versus all other tanks, and the last are FV4211 with full of life... not easy after You got damages from everyone...

Why? because they were sniping during the battle as cowards and didn't dare to move...

[keen hornet]

Yuri i paid big money for this tank, dont nerf ,just ban those bad player from cw

[urban gate]

Honestly don't care.

[south anvil]

NGL the tank really ain't that difficult to kill n I still don't get this post (as a player who has never driven it but killed tons of them)

[deft sluice]

Most of these were free. It was the Season 10 Stage 100 reward tank for the Normal Season Pass

[urban gate]

Dude, I have played with it and I can tell you,whenever I play it I get twice the dmg I would have gotten with anything else(often in excess of 8000) without even thinking about the game.
We all have killed many of all tanks (if you're not new), the problem is that this one is so much more difficult.This one you can't just shoot anywhere like everything else in era 2,you have to hit a specific spot, or otherwise it will bounce, and it's not doing a trade-off for that.

It's not that it's unkillable, it's that it's so much better than anything else.That's what overpowered means.Whoever plays that is always gonna have a big, unfair advantage over anyone who doesn't.

[deft sluice]

The front has weak spots, the sides are quite pennable (especially by Leos) and shots to the rear from almost anything set it ablaze.

[south anvil]

It's really not that op it just requires aiming for half a second rather than locking on n going brain-dead, like hell the cuppola, lower glacis and drivers hatch are reasonable to go through the front, turret ring if you're feeling tricky, the sides while strong are still paper thin if you aim high or low enough, the front idler is one of the easiest shots in existence and from the rear it might as well be unarmoured, it is not overpowered, and if you do that well in it cool, but most of the time I see it on the bottom of leaderboards usually driven by players who go hurr durr armour invulnerable when it's really not lol

If anything it kinda just reminds me of the Lowe Meme

[fiery tide]

But only the glass is penable. The rest of its cupola will bounce everything

[mighty loom]

Well I guess you have a real problem then, I have zero issues dealing with th fv4211.

[fiery tide]

It’s easy to pick out the tanks weakness’s

Cupola glass, driver hatch, front sprocket, rear of chassis, sides and rear of turret

It’s the accuracy that you need for some shots that makes it challenging

[mighty loom]

I don't ever aim for the cupola glass I just hit the cupola and it pens 9 out of 10 shots

[urban gate]

I didn't say it's invincible, but much harder than anything else.

And while you aim, it can shoot back, while other tanks don't have this opportunity, so you can't cover-pick.

The fact that horrible players play doesn't change the fact that it's nearly twice as powerful as the second best tank in its era.

[urban gate]

I saw you say that you mostly use leopards in another thread.

That explains it.It's the only thing that can deal with the armor due to having highest pen by a significant margin.If you use premium ammo too, then that really explains why you don't see them as a problem.

It's not the same for the average person, who uses varying tanks and no premium ammo.(for the sake of progression)

[urban gate]

Leopards can pen it frontally without shooting for a weakspot.(auto aim)No other tank can do that.

[south anvil]

No they cant you still have to aim

And I tend to not use prammo for sale of earning a decent amount of silver

(also you only need to ping me once)

[urban gate]

Then why does it work just fine for me to rb/rt fv4211's with my leopard from the front while getting in and out of cover, all in less than a second?

[south anvil]

Luck? Hit the upper glacis or turret cheeks chances are you're bouncing

[urban gate]

The auto aim sets right in the middle of the hull when you engage it.

[south anvil]

Rng means you are not gonna hit where it is pointing especially on the move you know?

[urban gate]

Couldn't have been the turret

Too far away from aiming circle

Also, penetrating the sides of the turret from the front doesn't work when I try it.Why am I the only one it seems who this doesn't work for?

[small gale]

I often use the Fv and have seen numerous tanks have the ability to pen this tank working as a team out manoeuvring or flanking it.. understanding the armour and fighting against this tank is one of the biggest parts I enjoy in the game. If you make everything easier where is the fun in that… keep it real ✌️

[mighty loom]

I totally agree, I feel going against this tank in era 2 made me better prepared for era 3.

[fiery tide]

If you play an fv4211 and are in a 1v1 as long as it’s not a leopard or super m48 shooting you then you are absolutely fine. You win. But if it’s a 2 v 1 and one is say a leopard and an amx you have lost if you don’t kill the amx first