Linux Kint (unofficial mint KDE spin im making)

[finite berry]

yh

heres the logo (lodestar was supposed to clean it for me but he forgor to give me 😔 )

[pure abyss]

the logo looks so good

[robust knot]

i think Linux KDMint is a better name imo (K Desktop for Mint)

looks really clean tho

[fast raven]

KMint (KoolMint)

[full barn]

the logo could certainly do with some cleanup

but all good

[finite berry]

fr

[full barn]

could you send me a png

[finite berry]

sure

hold on

[full barn]

ig its a good opportunity to get familiar with inkscape

[finite berry]

ooo

but inkscape dosent have an android port

[full barn]

imma try to do smth with the logo

[pure abyss]

hows stability

[finite berry]

actually pretty stable

[full barn]

minux lint

@finite berry how did you do this btw

[finite berry]

wdym

the logo?

or the distro itself

[full barn]

distro

[wary monolith]

why doesn’t mint have a kde spin anyway
i mean other than eating into cinnamon

[robust knot]

kde isnt food themed /j

theres Cinnamon, (Yerba) MATE, and eXtra Fine Chocolate Extract 4

[wanton copper]

lol

punz

[finite berry]

mint used to have one

but they dropped it

[wanton copper]

you could use nix for it

nix makes it easy with just nix-profile --install (idk, i never used nix-profile)

you coul install any DE actually

[finite berry]

i dont use nix

[wanton copper]

not talking about the OS, the package manager

[finite berry]

i know

i dont use the package manager

[wanton copper]

anyways, it's pretty easy to install kde

kubuntu pkg has it

so any DE in Ub, can be used in mint hypothetically

[pine breach]

This looks neat hey!

[pine breach]

So like Unity too? That'd be devious and I'm all in for it

[calm quarry]

because mint focused on gtk3 DEs and programs. so they didn't need plasma anymore. if the kde spin was to become, they would have to remake all apps in Qt

[wanton copper]

not really, I don't think so

[pure abyss]

wait a minute this is fire

[wanton copper]

There are Qt equivalents, actually, KDE has more apps than GNOME, but cinnamon DE in LM comes with lot's of stuff preinstalled, it isn't necessary that all that is made using GTK

I mean, some of it isn't even made by LM devs, so no

it isn't because of that, probably something with... idk

It isn't so hard to install either, and Cinnamon is objectively better, not in terms of customization, but in general, you know

And really, the only reason I could think of is maintaining KDE shit is like trying to keep mountain of gold which cannot remain aurum without water, so you have to make the gold hydrated, shit metaphor, but you get my point

[calm quarry]

can you actually list one app in cinnamon that isn't GTK? I don't understand what you're trying to say. Cinnamon is a fork of GNOME 3 and made using GTK3

and well, why would mint team complain when gnome breaks something with gtk3, because it breaks the ecosystem?

[wanton copper]

fine then, scrap everything above

did you know that KDE has everything like cinnamon?

[calm quarry]

no, it doesn't

[calm quarry]

KDE plasma is actually a different DE from cinnamon

[wanton copper]

it has a vast application system, cinnamon mostly uses GNOME stuff, (and I wasn't even at all talking about GNOME stuff, I was talking about other stuff like weechat/netflix and stuff like that)

[wanton copper]

It is indeed

[calm quarry]

so, it plasma is not like cinnamon

[calm quarry]

WeChat or Netflix actually aren't a part of cinnamon

take a look at the mess lubuntu or xubuntu are

[wanton copper]

but it has all utillity software one would need, even more than cinnamon, it has it's own editor, a better settings app, it has everything

my point is it isn't necessary to remake every app that cinnamon has in Qt, it already exists in the KDE ecosystem

[calm quarry]

but KDE ecosystem is not linuxmint

[wanton copper]

huh~1

[calm quarry]

if you want to use KDE ecosystem with Ubuntu-based OS, then just use Kububtu. it Will be the same as linuxmint KDE without linuxmint

[wanton copper]

Big NO

[calm quarry]

That's what it seems like you're saying.

[wanton copper]

we already have 6.1, Kubuntu still uses 5.7.4

[calm quarry]

If linuxmint apps can be replaced with KDE apps, there is no reason to use linuxmint kde

[wanton copper]

smh, you don't get my point

[calm quarry]

I don't know if you realise, but linuxmint is based on Ubuntu. so they would either have to port plasma to their own repos

[calm quarry]

that's what you're saying

[wanton copper]

Forget LM, we are talking about DEs

[calm quarry]

Ok, if you want plasma with Ubuntu, use kububtu

[wanton copper]

Cinnamon has utility apps made in GTK
KDE Plasma has utility apps made in Qt

same thing, diff framework, diff DE

[calm quarry]

Linux mint has utility apps made in GTK, KDE does not have linuxmint utility apps made in qt.

if you noticed, all spins of mint actually use the same exact apps, except for core like file viewer

[wanton copper]

when a distro makes a DE spin, it does nothing except adding branded wallpapers, and a new theme

[wanton copper]

LM is a distro

[calm quarry]

now that's horrendous

[wanton copper]

DEs are the thing, forget LM

[calm quarry]

but, what makes LM LM are (a big portion) the LM apps

[wanton copper]

That's how it's done, you can't do anything besides building and publishing a pre-compiled binaries of DEs with some branding

[wanton copper]

give me an example of an LM app

also you can set GTK with Qt

[calm quarry]

update manager, xed, driver manager, mintinstall, mintwelcome

[calm quarry]

so, there is no reason to use linuxmint Xfce4 or MATE anymore. I guess.

[wanton copper]

KDE Store can handle updates, we have KDE drive manager, mintinstall can be replaced with calamares, mintwelcome is a very simple app and it isn't hard to replicate it in Qt probably

in short, Distros do not dictate the possibility of making a DE spin, it's in general the devs choice.

[calm quarry]

kububtu has all of these too. so there is no reason for mint plasma to exist.

kububtu has KDE store, KDE driver manager, a KDE welcome screen. it has all of these, there is no point in mint plasma existing with this mindset.

[wanton copper]

Why so when they consider Mint to be superior over Ubuntu? And when Kubuntu uses a older version of plasma, it gives mint an oppurtunity to make a plasma spin

[full barn]

they could just update plasma to 6.1 though right

[wanton copper]

I agree to disagree

If i want my distro, i want it, i don't want to shift to another one for a DE, your point isn't valid

[calm quarry]

except mint is Ubuntu with add-ons, so it would still use old plasma. they could add an external repo like KDE neon does, but that is kinda pointless. and some want mint with plasma because they like plasma more than what mint has to offer. it does not integrate with mint apps well, but it is usable.

[wanton copper]

smh

bye, and do not ping me again

[calm quarry]

and if it does not integrate properly, mint team will not make it an official flavour.

[calm quarry]

so, if mint team was to make plasma, they would have to port the mint apps to qt, so that they can integrate with mint properly and give the experience mint developers want.

so, if all mint apps are replaced by KDE apps, there is no more part of linuxmint.

[calm quarry]

so, then, it means that, intact there will be no mint plasma distribution, indeed.

[hollow pelican]

To make it clear, Ubuntu Desktop is Ubuntu (the core base) with add-ons. And Ubuntu is made above Debian. Fedora Desktop, is the Fedora base, with Add-ons.

[hollow pelican]

Plasma itself is just a DE, and Mint is not necessarily a DE, or only the DEs they have by default. You aren't forbidden to use other DEs with Mint regardless of their integration (it's the work of who want to do that to guarantee integration). The same way you are not forbidden to use Cinnamon with any other Distro, just because it is better integrated with Mint.

Mint just doesn't officially support KDE currently, but never stated to be against the use of KDE together with the Mint base afaik.

[calm quarry]

yes

[calm quarry]

I never said you can't get plasma on mint. the entire discussion is that mint will not release a plasma spin.

all linuxmint flavours have in common that they use mint apps. plasma will not integrate with mint apps. this means that mint developers will not like this, hence not release an official flavour

[hollow pelican]

Btw, Mint is not restricted with GTK, QT as well is being considered long term due to recent changes with GTK 4 (and possibly with 5)

[calm quarry]

so, if one does not care about mint apps and the user friendliness they aim to give, they may just use KDE apps that come with Kububtu, according to how @wanton copper explained

[calm quarry]

thanks, I did not know this, even though I read mint blog