i wanna make it so that the boot menu does not open by default,instead it boots straight to win

[atomic willow]

the boot menu should open when a certain key is pressed(?) is this possible?

[white pecan]

wdym

[atomic willow]

like how bios opens when f12/etc is pressed

or any other way really

[white pecan]

what

[river spire]

he want grub no appear unless a key is pressed

and default entry to windows

[atomic willow]

ye

[atomic willow]

that is true

[ivory badge]

hold shift or Esc

or put 1 second time delay

[atomic willow]

for grub??
please elaborate

[ivory badge]

Hit those after POST right at handoff

[atomic willow]

what is handoff?

and post?

[ivory badge]

or use Boot Repair to custom set time to 1 sec so u can easily interrupt

see power on self test

[river spire]

is it no longer possible to disable the grub menu unless a key is pressed?

[ivory badge]

sure it's possible

but if dealing with dual boots unless they were isolated , then why hide it?

[river spire]

seems like op wants that?

[ivory badge]

https://linuxmint-user-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/grub.html

put 0 in place of 5
put hidden in place of menu

[river spire]

okay nvm

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/425979
what I said earlier seems to be broken

[ivory badge]

works on legacy, and usually uefi. else use ESC

[river spire]

what I said works only on legacy

[ivory badge]

Simpler way would just put Windows boot manager at top BIOS order

choose ubuntu at POST via boot menu key when wanted

[river spire]

good idea

[atomic willow]

this works but (both the right and left) shift keys do not open the boot menu

and hitting f12 brings me to the bios settings

same with esc

[ivory badge]

so put 1 second

[atomic willow]

wont that make it visible?

for even one second?

[ivory badge]

does it matter?

[atomic willow]

i mean its pretty obvios to see something pop up for 1 second

[atomic willow]

actually i tried it,and setting timeout to 1 or 0 does nothing

it still has a 10 sec timer to select the highlighted os

it only matters if grub default is set to something not 0

[ivory badge]

do it this way then

[atomic willow]

i already have

ah

i realised
i havent put the settings for grub in ""

[atomic willow]

ok i just want-
win to boot by default,and linux to boot when a hotkey is pressed

ive been reading the grub documentation but its not really clear on how to do this

[ivory badge]

that's what this does

just hide grub menu as per the link I gave and that's it

[ivory badge]

.

[atomic willow]

ah

i also realised that just saving the grub file does now make it do its thing automatically

[ivory badge]

save file AND run the update command as shown

[atomic willow]

indeed

[atomic willow]

im not getting how to set the default number,like how do i find which one win is one?

found by trial and error

[ivory badge]

in BIOS boot priority setup, look for Windows Boot Manager, and move it to top of list.

then the "uefi ubuntu" second.

[atomic willow]

@ivory badge no matter what i do the grub menu keeps apperaing,even with GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE="hidden"
AND GRUB_TIMEOUT="0"

[atomic willow]

i did that,every time i boot lin tho it moved ubuntu up

[ivory badge]

oh. then must be Windows Fast Startup messing up

[atomic willow]

i turned that off as well

[ivory badge]

go in n turn off

[atomic willow]

but what does that have to do with it

?

[ivory badge]

Believe me it causes problems. Now when you choose to start Windows from the black grub menu, does it successfully load up?

[atomic willow]

yes

[ivory badge]

well that's good

not sure why the BIOS list wont keep its set order

[atomic willow]

doesnt really matter,i found the number of win

[ivory badge]

efibootmgr in linux terminal will list the uefi bootables order

then sudo efibootmgr -o xxxx, yyyy

[atomic willow]

still dunmo how to.completely stop the boot manager from appearing

also.it says turning off fast startup doesnt affect restart

[ivory badge]

ya to windows

still fucks up linux. turn it off

[atomic willow]

setting grub_timeout to 0 makes it go to 10 secs

[atomic willow]

i have had it off the entrie time

[ivory badge]

k put to 1 then

[atomic willow]

1 puts it to 1 second

which is still quite clearly visible

[ivory badge]

i think its just gonna show when 2 OS r installed

[atomic willow]

then what is the point of hidden timout

it litteraly says that it doesnt show the menu if its set to hidden

[ivory badge]

ok maybe custom.cfg isn't what u need. Run Boot Repair from Linux Mint USB session. use its Advanced repair options and set the visibility/timeout from there.

[atomic willow]

whats custom.cfg

?

[ivory badge]

that file from the link i sent

[atomic willow]

hmm
ive been doing all this in the grub text file

[atomic willow]

so i have to insert the usb again?

[ivory badge]

yeah

boot repair is a program in the desktop

[atomic willow]

ah then i have to flash the usb again

might take a while

the built in usb image writer does format it before writing right? @ivory badge

would hate if it didnt

[ivory badge]

yeah or just ventoy the drive so u dont have to waste the drive everytime

[atomic willow]

what does ventoy the drive mean

[ivory badge]

it's a loader program to make the usb bootable

then u just copy and paste the ISO to it

[atomic willow]

ah thats interesting,i was using that usb for a recovery drive anyway

[ivory badge]

yeah so u ventoy it once, leave Mint iso for emergencies, plus any other bootable recovery images/service, plus any other files.

[atomic willow]

how large is the iso in the drive again

[ivory badge]

mint ISO is 2.8 GB

last I checked

whether u use USB Image Writer, or Ventoy, it will be wiped. The difference is on ventoy u only have to set it up once.

[atomic willow]

how?

i inserted the drive and restarted and nothing different came up

[ivory badge]

what exactly did you do?

[atomic willow]

plugged in the usb and restarted

the normal grub boot menu showed up

[ivory badge]

😐

[atomic willow]

what

[ivory badge]

i told u to do the Advanced Boot Repair

[atomic willow]

i thought that would have been a program that was preisntalled

[ivory badge]

it is preinstalled.. in the live ISO

[atomic willow]

so how do i acces it?

[ivory badge]

boot the live ISO up.

[atomic willow]

and that means...?

[ivory badge]

boot up the usb stick, the same way u did before u installed Linux Mint

[atomic willow]

the way i installed lin mint was go into win and click on advanced restart or something similar

just plugging in the usb didnt do much for em

[ivory badge]

u gotta press the BIOS BOOT MENU KEY within the first 2 seconds when u power on ur computer

then pick UEFI USB device

[atomic willow]

did so,now?

[ivory badge]

did it boot to the live desktop?

[atomic willow]

theres the option to

[ivory badge]

do it

[atomic willow]

why coudnt i do this from normal.lin mint?

[ivory badge]

cuz it doesnt have it

nor would it work

[atomic willow]

i dont wanna do this again so tell exactly what

[ivory badge]

dial it down to 1 second, or uncheck the unhide box altogether.

you can read the report I think it gives once it finishes.

[atomic willow]

is there a difference in doing this in the grub text file and the configure file?

also it says "grub-efi purge cancelled"

[ivory badge]

don't purge

[atomic willow]

also,the boot menu is still visible.and has a timer of 5 secs

ill try to do all of this is in the config file

[atomic willow]

nope

exact same thing

[ivory badge]

#1193345280733622272 message

watch 2nd video. u may have to redo it proper

if you only have one drive to hold both OS, then watch the first 6 minutes only

but it's better with 2 drives, and the Method A shown at 7 minutes in

[atomic willow]

ive already watched the second video

and no,i dont think i made any errors booting it the first time

[ivory badge]

is yours single-disk?

[atomic willow]

yes

[ivory badge]

which OS are you currently on with atm?

[atomic willow]

i was updating the grub stuff with lin

and i moved win up the list of things you mentioned

and not lin or the grub menu show

...at all

[ivory badge]

are you at the Windows desktop?

[atomic willow]

also i cant get into POST anymore

[atomic willow]

indeed

[ivory badge]

run msinfo32

[atomic willow]

thats.command right?

[ivory badge]

what does it list for BIOS MODE: ?

[atomic willow]

uefi

[ivory badge]

do from run box

ok

[atomic willow]

?what is that

[ivory badge]

nvm

[atomic willow]

oh yea i remember

it workwd as a command as well anyway

[ivory badge]

ok next,

search 'powershell' in menu, right click it, open as administrator, enter: powercfg /h off

[atomic willow]

then?

what does any of this do?

[ivory badge]

next, close all that, right click start button, hold down shift key and select "restart"

[atomic willow]

ive gotten into the advanced boot something something

[ivory badge]

that should get you to a blue page, select enter UEFI setup

then in there go to boot:

[atomic willow]

yes from here i can also select use a device and loas into linux

[ivory badge]

what is the boot mode set to?

[atomic willow]

uefi.only

[ivory badge]

should be as just uefi. no legacy or csm

[atomic willow]

also legacy boot is unsupported

[atomic willow]

Indeed

[ivory badge]

next, is there an option in the advanced or boot or config category saying "quick boot" or similar?

[atomic willow]

there is secure boot (which is turned off) and fast boot(ive set it to minimal,which is the lowest)

well?

[ivory badge]

put fast boot to thorough

or off

if off is an option

[atomic willow]

you realise those are opposites right?

off isnt

[ivory badge]

no

off means DONT rush the boot

similar to thorough

[atomic willow]

ok first of all what is this all for

[ivory badge]

u want help or no?

[atomic willow]

i do,but im not gonna blindly follow instructions

and i do thank you for your involvment thus far

[ivory badge]

it's so ur boot doesnt skip over stuff

the whole issue is clear from wen something was pushing ubuntu back to top of list

next put uefi usb to top priority

u'll need to do the default boot repair to fix whatever mess u did editing grub

after all of that, go back to BIOS via the hotkey at startup

[atomic willow]

you mean the external drive?
or just what i have already

[ivory badge]

move windows to the top

and it should stay

[ivory badge]

the live usb

[atomic willow]

when i just.load with ubuntu the grub menu is appears

ill check if it puched ubuntu back up

also in my desperation i got a grub gui modifier

it does the same things as doing it by text along with not working

but it might help someone else so ill post it

apparently the hack was to keep the timout 0.1 which the gui does

https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/06/ubuntu-1404-hide-grub-menu/

[ivory badge]

literally a fresh ticket jst opened re: problems doing that

[atomic willow]

damn

link?

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#1265913482390278155 message

[atomic willow]

yes it is

ubuntu is at the top,and i had fast boot to thourugh

wait

[ivory badge]

did u do the default boot repair to get everything bacck to baseline?

[atomic willow]

shoudnt secure boot also be on

[ivory badge]

up to u but it may or may not interfere.

[atomic willow]

no

[ivory badge]

idk how accepting Mint 22 is of SB

[atomic willow]

stunner whats your daily driver os

[ivory badge]

mx linux

[atomic willow]

never heard of it

[atomic willow]

what was it?

[ivory badge]

idk u said it did

windows should remain at the top of the BIOS priority list

it will auto boot to windows , no menus

[atomic willow]

but when it does that i cant get into bios POST for somereason

[atomic willow]

ye its doing that now

i want the menu when i press shift or esc

[ivory badge]

when u want Linux, u hit the F key or whatever to choose other bootable options, then pick ubuntu, and hit enter twice

[atomic willow]

and then i go into bios everytime and rearrange the boot order

i ooen my comp mulitple times a day for both man

[ivory badge]

alternately u can install rEFInd

it will give u a pretty menu to boot either

[atomic willow]

i already have grub?

can refind do what im asking ?

[ivory badge]

i think you should get the little boot menu within 1 second of powering on if u press the correct key

the BIOS may even have a settable timeout for that hotkey

[atomic willow]

i have been pressing when it litterally says "f12 boot options" on the screen

[ivory badge]

and what shows up?

[atomic willow]

windows opens

[ivory badge]

well damn

install refind then

[atomic willow]

what is that?

[ivory badge]

and put refind loader as first efi device in bios list

[atomic willow]

oh that
my brain didnt parse it as the same thing

[atomic willow]

can it do the thing im asking?

i can also put ubuntu on top and have grub load

[ivory badge]

ofc it should

[ivory badge]

or do that

and live with a 1 second timer it wont kill u

[atomic willow]

it might

[ivory badge]

that's all i got

[atomic willow]

ok it seems reifind can

do what grub is supposed to

[atomic willow]

no refind sucks worse than grub

fuck

[atomic willow]

ive found its something to do with os-prober

Its output will be used to detect bootable binaries on them and create new boot entries.
Found Windows Boot Manager on /dev/nvme0n1p1@/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
Adding boot menu entry for UEFI Firmware Settings ...
done

[atomic willow]

@ivory badge found the culprit

in the file /boot/grub/grub.cfg

if [ "${timeout}" = 0 ]; then
  set timeout=10
fi
### END /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###

this line of code is causing it

the problem is whenever i change it and run sudo update grub it changes it right back to this code

[atomic willow]

prro tip:do not change files that say //DO NOT CHANGE THIS FILE//

i changed it and had to reinstall the bootloader

[atomic willow]

actually no I didn't