How can i fix that?
#GPU works extremely slow in LM21 compared to win7, which drivers do i need?
desert dove
I have a ATI/AMD Radeon HD 5678 with 1 GB Video RAM and 8 GB main Ram (which is sufficient for the games i play in windows 7).
But in Linux Mint 21, i get very slow performance, compared to the windows game performance. Less than 20% in some cases.
i mean, i dont need 100% of the same performance in Linux, i would be happy if i can get 70-80% of it, that would already be a huge change.
GPU works extremely slow in LM21 compared to win7, which drivers do i need?
Not the gpu, but 3D games which use the GPU are extremely slow, compared to their windows-performance.
As i tested many games, the issue must be in the driver, not in a single game.
I even tried to install Kisak's Mesa drivers, but APT refuses to install these drivers :(
After adding Kisak's PPA properly, i did ```$ sudo apt upgrade
But only get this: ```The following packages have been kept back:
distro-info distro-info-data libegl-mesa0 libgbm1 libgl1-mesa-dri libglapi-mesa libglx-mesa0 libllvm15 libosmesa6
mesa-va-drivers mesa-vulkan-drivers
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 11 not upgraded.
```what could cause APT to behave like this?ok now i try something new: ```$ sudo apt full-upgrade
...hm, still no luck: $ glxinfo | grep "OpenGL version" OpenGL version string: 4.5 (Compatibility Profile) Mesa 23.0.4-0ubuntu1~22.04.1(Mesa driver unchanged, Kisak not installed)
desert dove
11 not upgraded is due to Ubuntu phased release
Would it work, if i upgrade to the next point release of 21.2?
(i was hesitant to upgrade that, and waited)
strong timber
You have to change a file to bypass phased updates
desert dove
Oh, i dont want to risk breaking anything!
It should only then force installing the drivers, if it was the phased-release blocking it, not if it was a serious blocking.
desert dove
You have to change a file to bypass phased updates
are these even safe to be installed?
https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-upgrade-mesa-drivers-on-linux-mint/
so, is the "kept back"-message harmless in that case?
desert dove
You have to change a file to bypass phased updates
can i instead install these 11 packages manually?
desert dove
You have to change a file to bypass phased updates
which file? can i change it just for the Kisak-Mesa and then revert it to its original state?
strong timber
I don't think it applies for things like kisak-mesa
desert dove
But APT gets blocked, i need to unblock it, to be able to properly install these new Mesa drivers.
Which method should i use, manual install for each of the 11 packages?
Should i try this one instead?
https://launchpad.net/~kisak/+archive/ubuntu/turtle/
desert dove
I don't think it applies for things like kisak-mesa
Is there a risk if i use this command to install them manually?
sudo apt-get install <package>
strong timber
No risk to install that way
torpid sand
ok now i try something new: ```$ sudo apt full-upgrade
```
...
update and then upgrade
anytime u add a PPA u got to do update command to refresh available software list
desert dove
hm, i installed it: ```$ glxinfo | grep "OpenGL version"
OpenGL version string: 4.5 (Compatibility Profile) Mesa 23.3.2 - kisak-mesa PPA
Now testing...upgrade command alters EVERY piece of installed sw to latest in repos
desert dove
hm, now the games dont start at all
looking into console-start..
hm, steam games dont work, but non-steam games seem still to work?
how can i start steam games via console?
oh.. would i need to reboot steam/linux?
(in console i was able to start a steam game)
torpid sand
idk if you can
desert dove
ok i rebooted, but what happened to my steam icons in my linux menu?
all game icons vanished, even steam icon itself
but the non-steam icons are all still there
do i need to reinstall steam?
So i did the following:
- replaced ubuntu mesa drivers with Kisak mesa drivers
- updated and upgraded packages, and tested that it was really replaced
- rebooted LM21
Changes: all steam and steam-games start-links in LM startmenu are gone.
How can i start steam manually over console?
desert dove
idk if you can
the steam platform, i mean, how can i start it from the LM console?
Graphics:
Device-1: AMD Redwood XT [Radeon HD 5670/5690/5730] vendor: PC Partner
driver: radeon v: kernel pcie: speed: 5 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: VGA-1
empty: DVI-I-1,HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:68d8 class-ID: 0300
Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.4 compositor: marco v: 1.26.0
driver: X: loaded: ati,radeon unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa gpu: radeon
display-ID: :0 screens: 1
Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1024x768 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 271x203mm (10.7x8.0")
s-diag: 339mm (13.3")
Monitor-1: VGA-0 mapped: VGA-1 model: Samsung SyncMaster
serial: HS3Q300757 res: 1024x768 hz: 75 dpi: 60
size: 432x324mm (17.0x12.8") diag: 540mm (21.3") modes: max: 1600x1200
min: 720x400
OpenGL:
renderer: AMD REDWOOD (DRM 2.50.0 / 5.15.0-91-generic LLVM 15.0.7)
v: 4.5 Mesa 23.3.2 - kisak-mesa PPA direct render: Yes
```Is this ok?ok now i try ./setup.sh of steam...
'steam' doesnt work either so i do sudo snap install steam
hm, i could get a double installation?
but all this, just because i installed the Kisak-drivers of Mesa? this is so strange
oof, now i have the following:
have Steam installed (using a snap package), the platform started ok, i logged in, but all my games are shown as grey, not installed.
Though they are installed in my original (non-snap) steam, which i'm unable to start.
do i need to migrate each game, one by one? hm i could test a 3D game to see if anything has changed...
torpid sand
can you go back to before all the changes with a TimeShift save?
Incidentally, do your new graphics drivers run the games you can access any better than before?
desert dove
can you go back to before all the changes with a TimeShift save?
oof, that would be the second worst solution :(
(the worst being a full reinstall of LM21)
I'm currently installing a 3D title to test it (it will be double-installed, as that old steam installation got defunct for now)
People need to be warned to make a Timeshift backup before installing these Kisak-Mesa drivers, apparently.
i didnt do it, as i thought that package was a professional updated driver :/
seems, the guy behind it hadn't tested for that case :(
desert dove
can you go back to before all the changes with a TimeShift save?
Actually, this option isn't as bad as i first thought, my latest timeshift backup is from mid of november, and as my whole Steam-installation got ruined by this crappy Kisak driver (and the snap-steam doesnt work, too), i'm forced to go that route tomorrow. I'm glad, that i made that backup back then (i have only 2 timeshift-backups as the process is extremely slow and i make backups only when i feel the need to have a new one).
Will do that tomorrow, as it's way past 2am here already. Thanks all for the help.
torpid sand
alright np
desert dove
(So people, think twice before installing Kisak's drivers and/or make timeshift-backup.)
torpid sand
there may be a safer and more efficient way than going that Kisak route. Someone else may know it
glad meteor
So i did the following:
- replaced ubuntu mesa drivers with Kisak mesa drivers
-...
...steam is gone? odd...?????
just re-install steam the same way you initially installed it. Preferably that means downloading the .deb from https://steampowered.com and installing that
desert dove
...steam is gone? odd...?????
just re-install steam **the same way** you initia...
Even more oddly: the installation was still there, only the start icons were gone and starting it manually over console didnt work, then i installed steam by snap package, and now the game icons are back in the start menu but when i click them, steam asks me to install them, so i have a hybrid installation now :/
How can i uninstall snap-steam, without damaging my old steam installation? (i need to do that, because timeshift doesnt revert the /home directory)