what happened to the normal os

[summer fractal]

elaborate

@keen jewel you may like to help them with mouse stuff

idk what distro is that

[crisp dirge]

before it was the normal desktop with the panel on the bottom,
like the wallpaper was default and everything

[summer fractal]

share system specs

[crisp dirge]

this is mint

thats why im confused

[summer fractal]

that's not how mint looks by default

that's literally gnome desktop

[crisp dirge]

exactly. All i did was reboot and i didnt change settings

[keen jewel]

It looks like you may have messed with the dock settings.

[summer fractal]

mint doesn't do that by itself

[crisp dirge]

could i uninstall it?

[summer fractal]

mint has no dock

it uses a bottom panel on all it's flavors

[summer fractal]

so you admit you installed gnome?

[crisp dirge]

i have no idea maybe i did

[keen jewel]

Maybe do a fresh install? Idk if you didn't touch settings, that's weird. I've installed Mint a few times and have not seen that

[summer fractal]

because it's either that, or something that messed up cinnamon

[crisp dirge]

i did some stuff to try to enable autoscroll

thats about it

[summer fractal]

bruh... how we would know then?

[crisp dirge]

wait ill link the thing i used

[keen jewel]

Yeah that would be very helpful actually. (I don't mean that in a harsh tone at all lol)

[summer fractal]

also @crisp dirge needs to share system specs

the more they elaborate, the better solution

if you say, I got an error, how to fix? dont expect a solution

[crisp dirge]

yeah one sec

[keen jewel]

Oh yeah, @crisp dirge please go into terminal and type neofetch into the terminal and hit enter. It will show you a graphic of your system specs. Take a picture of that and send it here please. It will be super helpful.

[crisp dirge]

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/472398/can-i-make-middle-mouse-scrolling-on-linux-behave-more-like-autoscrolling-on-win
also i installed a clipboard manager called gclip or gpaste or something of the sort

[crisp dirge]

it says DE Gnome 42.9 in it so i think i installed gnome

[summer fractal]

notices gclip
yeah, it may have also pulled the entire gnome desktop with it as dependency or something

[crisp dirge]

i hit y for all dependencies i remember that

[keen jewel]

Huh that's weird but yeah if you're on Gnome then yeah it probably installed the whole DE (Desktop Environment)

[summer fractal]

then that explains it

[crisp dirge]

can i uninstall it or just fresh install

[keen jewel]

Ah yeah that would do it lol
No worries though, I've done stuff like that too lmao

[summer fractal]

you did a Linus sebastian moment, yes, do as I say

[crisp dirge]

im gullible like that

[summer fractal]

so it got the whole gnome meta package group with it, breaking cinnamon

kinda the dependency hell

[crisp dirge]

should i reinstall cinnamon then or could i just fix this

[summer fractal]

remove the gnome desktop , not working? reinstall mint (if no data is needed to backup)

sorry, I'm a bit sleepy so

if you ever mess up, do a timeshift backup beforehand

[keen jewel]

Yeah try uninstalling Gnome first and if that still leaves you with a broken Cinnamon DE then you'll want a fresh install

[crisp dirge]

sorry for asking this but uhh... how?

i dont wanna brick cinnamon my uninstalling all os s or smthn like that

[summer fractal]

need a flash drive, mint cinnamon iso and ventoy

[crisp dirge]

i have it

[summer fractal]

you need to check what are the packages related to gnome

@keen jewel I'm a sleepy head rn, help em about getting rid of gnome desktop

[crisp dirge]

fresh install i can do but gnome i got no clue

[keen jewel]

Here let me read up on the commands for a minute

[crisp dirge]

take ur time

[keen jewel]

I'm grabbing them off a Stack Exchange post

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/611407/how-to-remove-gnome-on-ubuntu20-04/611439#611439

[summer fractal]

use the fresh install as last resort

I can't guide you with the gnome removal, can't think that much rn due to sleep

[keen jewel]

I believe you want to remove all Gnome dependencies that got dragged in

[crisp dirge]

yeah np, thanks for the help so far

[summer fractal]

yup, because one package made a dependency bucle/hell , dragging the whole gnome desktop with it it seems

I would try to remove the conflicting package, then check what other dependencies are around to remove those as well

[keen jewel]

Try sudo apt-get remove --purge gnome*
That should remove absolutely every file installed by Gnome. Not trying to be a copypasta here but you can also read the post I'm reading too

[summer fractal]

also try to restore cinnamon desktop config files

btw, using terminal is not that hard nor different from using windowz powershell @crisp dirge

[keen jewel]

Also I am as well a bit tired because it's 2am here lol

[summer fractal]

@summer fractal they tried to fix autoscroll
ends installing whole gnome desktop by accident

[crisp dirge]

didnt use powershell much

[summer fractal]

I mean, official MS guides also do make use of terminal/PS

[keen jewel]

Also to refresh Cinnamon couldn't you use sudo apt reinstall cinnamon or am I just making shit up?

[summer fractal]

Yea looks like hell

[summer fractal]

dependency hell be like

[crisp dirge]

gonna reboot after this

one sec

[summer fractal]

get gnome'd 🌈

[keen jewel]

Probably the first time I've seen Linux Mint running Gnome tbh lol

[summer fractal]

other users have tried already, but been told to not do that to avoid breaking mint

[crisp dirge]

guess i taught you something :D

[summer fractal]

if you really want gnome, use another distro like popOS that supports it

Debian

[keen jewel]

PopOS uses older versions of Gnome tho

[summer fractal]

yes debian sith lord...

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-star-wars-rule-the-galaxy-join-me-gif-17440064

[summer fractal]

just as example

[keen jewel]

How'd the reboot go?

[keen jewel]

Oh fs. Older Gnome is just missing some features I like from newer Gnome lol
But I uses KDE rn

[crisp dirge]

the boot screen and lock screen is back to normal
then it says

unable to launch "cinnamon-session-cinnamon" X session---
"cinnamon-session-cinnamon" not found; falling back to default session

then its black screen

[lilac rover]

yall wtf did you tell this guy to do

[summer fractal]

may need a reinstall of cinnamon

[crisp dirge]

so ig repair cinnamon with bootable media (if thats possible)?

[summer fractal]

read the convo

[keen jewel]

Alright so Gnome is gone but now Cinnamon needs to be fixed

[summer fractal]

no need, just use TTY

[keen jewel]

Does the black screen give you an option to run commands?

[lilac rover]

yeah he was stuck in gnome for some reason

[summer fractal]

retrobro can help ya , pyon

[crisp dirge]

nope

[keen jewel]

Cause you might be able to run sudo apt reinstall cinnamon

[summer fractal]

do ctrl+alt+F5 to enter TTY

then login and do as retrobro says

[crisp dirge]

im there

[summer fractal]

the TTY is your backup terminal if you ever run into issues

[keen jewel]

Ngl I couldn't help on my own lol
I know some stuff but other stuff like entering TTY I wouldn't know lol

[summer fractal]

and you're a dev? bruh

[crisp dirge]

im in the tty, what do i run?

(also what is tty?)

[summer fractal]

this @crisp dirge

[keen jewel]

Try sudo apt reinstall cinnamon

[summer fractal]

fullscreen terminal

[crisp dirge]

BRUH

CINNAMON IS NOT INSTALLED

WHAT

[summer fractal]

install it then

[keen jewel]

I have yet to have come across a need for TTY apparently lol

[summer fractal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-eating-popcorn-enjoy-i-like-nom-nom-gif-11040065238845078056

[crisp dirge]

it says its gonna delete everything
screw it we ball

[keen jewel]

Well then change the reinstall to install maybe lol

[summer fractal]

learning TTY is a must, it will get you out of hell

[lilac rover]

how does one accidentally remove cinamon and install gnome

[summer fractal]

wdym

[keen jewel]

Gclip lmao

[lilac rover]

pop os apt disaster 2.0

[summer fractal]

dependency hell, you get a gnome package, drags the whole gnome desktop and conflicts/breaks cinnamon

[crisp dirge]

looks like its gonna remove the os before installing or something

[summer fractal]

Gsniped

[summer fractal]

send a shot

[crisp dirge]

one sce

[lilac rover]

i have cinnamon and gnome peacefully coexisting on my system
also dependency hell is the main reason i resort to flatpak or nix sometimes lmao

[summer fractal]

I just use plasma and chill

[keen jewel]

Idk why it wants to delete the os lol
that's odd

[lilac rover]

my experience with plasma on mint has been awful tbh

[summer fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/debian-linux-powered-by-debian-pixel-blinkie-gif-26544303

[summer fractal]

literally this

[lilac rover]

yea

[crisp dirge]

theres a bunch more files to the right but it didnt seem important

like wallpapers and such

[keen jewel]

Also @crisp dirge just to be clear Linux Mint and Cinnamon are two separate things. Linux Mint is the actual OS and Cinnamon is just the desktop environment. So when you install Linux Mint Cinnamon off your USB stick you're just installing the version of Linux Mint that comes bundled with Cinnamon. This is more just an educational little tidbit to explain the difference cause for a bit I didn't know that lol

[summer fractal]

most probably will remove gnome traces

[crisp dirge]

y then?

[summer fractal]

it can't go wrong, right?

[crisp dirge]

i got nothing to lose ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[summer fractal]

@summer fractal debian god, share your wisdom

[crisp dirge]

its done but like nothing happened. reboot again or try to reinstall?

[keen jewel]

Your USB flash drive is always your backup lol

[summer fractal]

just get cinnamon back

[keen jewel]

Try sudo apt install cinnamon now unless you already did that

[crisp dirge]

running it

its done

reboot?

[summer fractal]

systemctl status lightdm

to check if lightdm is still around as service

lightdm is what allows you to login through a GUI

[crisp dirge]

active running

[summer fractal]

then reboot

[keen jewel]

Awesome

[summer fractal]

should run lightdm then cinnamon

if you still are missing packages, get the other related to cinnamon from TTY

[crisp dirge]

yep its working

[keen jewel]

Les go!

[keen jewel]

Any other issues pop up or does everything seem normal?

[summer fractal]

see? fixing mint is ez

as long you have TTY around, you can fix it like a gigachad

[crisp dirge]

seems normal

[crisp dirge]

walk in the park 😎

[summer fractal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/997232766922014835.gif?v=1&size=64&quality=lossless

[keen jewel]

Awesome! That was a little roundabout but I'm glad it worked. Technically in this instance you could have also fresh installed the whole OS but it's good to know how to do this or navigate this kind of stuff when you have files you want to save lol

[summer fractal]

whilte on windowz, well... it tries to fix itself... ends failing... gives no reason why it failed.
and not always can be fixed

[summer fractal]

now make a timeshift snapshot

as a way to prevent breakage

[keen jewel]

Yeah, Linux is a lot easier to fix yourself as long as you know what you're doing. Windows is a bit harder to fiddle with fixing.

[summer fractal]

trust me, I loved windows since 1998, but I have my reasons to no longer like it, and like more mint, having an ez way to fix issues like yours is one of em

[keen jewel]

I also recommend this. It allows you to basically have a backup of a previous version of your system so if this happened again it would be as easy as loading up the snapshot

[summer fractal]

timeshift is like system restore, you f- up, you go back in time babe

[crisp dirge]

did the timeshift
is there a specific language that we're running in the terminal that i can try learning to get a better understanding or is it just predetermined incomprehensible computer jargon

[summer fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/back-to-the-future-back-to-the-past-flying-car-gif-14179778

timeshift, go back to 1985 snapshot

[summer fractal]

mint uses bash by default

[keen jewel]

It's just general Linux terminal commands
It's not a programming language.
Definitely good to learn. Hell dude even I'm still learning some of the terminal commands but I'm just more used to it now lol

[summer fractal]

bash is kinda a scripting language, but it's just the default linux shell

it's just like how cmd works on windowz

same for PS

[crisp dirge]

got it

[keen jewel]

https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/bash-scripting-tutorial-linux-shell-script-and-command-line-for-beginners/

[summer fractal]

but bash is more powerful than cmd

I just use zsh because the plugins and makes terminal life ez

just like CMD, you don't need to become a bash gigachad, just learn the basics

and mint enforces using GUi so

but using the terminal is good, as you can see, it will get you out of hell

[crisp dirge]

but it can also get me into hell seems like

[summer fractal]

it won't if you know what are you doing

[crisp dirge]

gotta be careful about installing all dependencies lol

[keen jewel]

Also just a helpful tip, the keyword sudo stands for "superuser do" and basically elevates your privileges. It can allow you to do powerful stuff but that also means dangerous. That's why it requires your password for commands starting with sudo. If you don't know what a sudo command does, try to find out first.

[summer fractal]

then you can just go back in time with timeshift from the mint usb

fun fact: I miss TTY every time I'm forced to use windowz

[crisp dirge]

sounds like admin commands then. although superuser do sounds way cooler

[summer fractal]

#762787812184555530 must read

[keen jewel]

Yep basically.

[crisp dirge]

ah yes. travelling across dimensions and time. only possible with linux :D

[summer fractal]

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Sudo

you may like to read archwiki as well for in depth info

archwiki is kinda the linux bible, followed by gentoo wiki

[keen jewel]

Arch wiki is not just for Arch Linux btw lol

[summer fractal]

if you have a BTRFS partition, you can go even beyond

[crisp dirge]

figured that out earlier

[crisp dirge]

lemme figure out these 3 first lol

[summer fractal]

tho leave learning about BTRFS for later

learn and embrace the basics for now

[crisp dirge]

also @keen jewel what did you use for the mouse btw

[summer fractal]

now, make the snapshot and try again

[summer fractal]

if you made the snapshot, even if you screw up, now you can go back in time

[crisp dirge]

should the snapshot be on a pendrive or sm?

cuz like i couldnt access the gui before

unless you can do it through terminal

you probably can im on linux

[keen jewel]

Honestly right now I am still figuring that out lol
I am trying to get Piper to work because it supports both of our mice but for me it doesn't see my mouse. You can try to install it yourself however and see if it works for you.
https://github.com/libratbag/piper

[summer fractal]

just remember to make the snapshot

[crisp dirge]

n or y to dependencies? 😅

[summer fractal]

you don't want mint to break again

[crisp dirge]

aight im going in

[keen jewel]

What are you installing right now? Dependencies are usually necessary but in that case you ended up with Gnome, but that is not always the case with dependencies lol

[crisp dirge]

wait i have no terminal in cinnamon

[keen jewel]

Basically I don't want your takeaway to be dependencies bad cause that's not really accurate lol

[crisp dirge]

i got xterm

what

[summer fractal]

install it then

lemme check which one mint uses

[crisp dirge]

i have xterm and uxterm

they are terminals but not the default one

[crisp dirge]

piper

[summer fractal]

Check to see if mint has a package called mint-desktop it will be cinnamon and all the apps

[keen jewel]

@summer fractal the default terminal is the Gnome terminal for Mint I believe lmao

[crisp dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/munsonated-gif-26549638

as long as its not the entire gnome

[keen jewel]

So in uninstalling all the Gnome packages we also uninstalled that terminal. You can probably reinstall it just don't install all dependencies lol

[summer fractal]

it is

[keen jewel]

Or there might be a .deb package for it which would be easier

[summer fractal]

get this one

[summer fractal]

@summer fractal or try installing cinnamon-desktop instead of just cinnamon

[summer fractal]

just use apt to get it

[crisp dirge]

are there other terminals i can look through like generally?

[summer fractal]

tell that to hobbes not me

I don't use mint

[keen jewel]

I mean you could use Terminator or Konsole

[crisp dirge]

sir i think you also have a gnome mint combo

[summer fractal]

Try installing cinnamon-desktop

[keen jewel]

Or Cool-retro-term lol

[summer fractal]

FIY, cinnamon is a fork of gnome 3 afaik

[keen jewel]

Yeah try this first thi

[crisp dirge]

its working now looks like, do i do it anyways?

[summer fractal]

konsole looks bad outside plasma

[keen jewel]

Ah ok

[summer fractal]

got terminal back?

[keen jewel]

Good to know

[crisp dirge]

ye

[keen jewel]

Noice

[summer fractal]

make the timeshift snapshot then retry the mouse thingy

you don't want to break cinnamon again, do you?

[crisp dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-不造-i-dont-know-gif-5094560

[crisp dirge]

should i delete the previous on or just let it sit?

[keen jewel]

For now just let the old one sit as well

[crisp dirge]

yep its working

[summer fractal]

having 2 or 3 snapshots it's good

[keen jewel]

[crisp dirge]

im missing screenshot tool as well

holup

[summer fractal]

install all the cinnamon apps

lemme get the command as I don't run mint

[keen jewel]

Anyways I'm tapping out it's 3am. I'm happy it's working better for you now :)

[crisp dirge]

i am as well :D

[summer fractal]

try sudo apt install cinnamon-desktop-environment

should install everything

[crisp dirge]

will i have duplicates now?

[summer fractal]

this is how konsole can look on plasma btw, konsole is plasma's terminal

[summer fractal]

don't think so, apt should take care of it

[crisp dirge]

aight

konsole looks sick gaddayum

[summer fractal]

imagine aero glass

but dark theme

[summer fractal]

I think you can get same on cinnamon

[crisp dirge]

nah i prefer the gnome one. its very simplistic and fits the os

[summer fractal]

I mean, dark themed aero glass on windowz

[crisp dirge]

got my macros working as well

[summer fractal]

so everything works?

[crisp dirge]

i meant to reply to this

[crisp dirge]

yup!

thanks for the help!

ill close this

[summer fractal]

you may like to get dxvk and setup games

also learn about software manager and flatpak

[crisp dirge]

im not intending to run games on this. I have a beefier desktop for that

this is just my general carry around laptop so

[summer fractal]

got all missing apps like screenshot already?

[crisp dirge]

yup

[summer fractal]

make a snapshot then

[crisp dirge]

right

[summer fractal]

Yes just in case you are missing some stuff

[crisp dirge]

did it and i have everything now. I got a software for the mouse working as well :D

[summer fractal]

[keen jewel]

Awesome! What software did you use for the mouse? Piper?

[crisp dirge]

Yep! Custom macros working as well

[keen jewel]

Awesome glad Piper worked. That means my issue is probably related to my laptop or something and probably to the mouse itself.

[crisp dirge]

which mouse are you on specifically?

502 hero or x?

[keen jewel]

The 502 x wireless. In the docs it says it's compatible with Ratbagd so it should work. I might just need to make sure Piper is seeing my USB ports correctly

[crisp dirge]

yeah looks like it should be working, but it is much newer compared to the others