#was that vessel that hornet encountered at the of the embrace the void ending thk?

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wet stratus
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it looked alot like thk cuz the portion of the mask i saw, the cloak but idk about the nail,

hidden egret
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Yes

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came out of the black egg temple, had the leitmotif and the nail, and had chains on their body

cursive ruin
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Can even hear the chains

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Plus, they're clearly at black egg temple, who else would he crawling out

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But would the fact he got out means that the dreamers and the seals themselves had a failsafe plan to just stop if the Radiance was killed

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Why would they even have that if they thought the only option was seal Radiance

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Granted the seals on the dreamers could've been broken but you could also just as easily ignore the dreamers and only kill the bosses

cyan moss
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I assume by the way the seal was made it just deactivate if the thing it was supposed to seal is not there anymore, like how the KingsMoulds with the order to "SERVE" dropped "dead" presumably due to PK's death.

cursive ruin
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I just don't get why they would have that measure is his like of thinking was "ok so we have only one option: seal the Fanta"

cursive ruin
cyan moss
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"...Defend...
...Kill..."
-wiki

cursive ruin
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Ok then

steep pond
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The common consensus is that the ones by PK saw him dead and error 404'd while the other ones never saw pk's rotting corpse so they're still fulfilling their duty

cursive ruin
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Fair

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But why would the seals just "aight we're out"

steep pond
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The seals react to Rad's presence

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Thats why they automatically sealed TK after it sucked her

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Presumably they would deactivate with Rad's presence gone

cursive ruin
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Makes sense

raw forum
steep pond
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Those are specific instructions given after the order to serve

raw forum
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Well we don't know that

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The order to serve does not appear in their DND

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They could also have just been imprinted with the order to protect a particular location and kill anyone who came by

raw forum
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The ones who are protecting the entrance/PoP still have a job to do, whereas the ones surrounding PK were servants and no longer have a king to serve

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Notably, they aren't holding weapons

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So they probably weren't guards

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This also lines up with the one in Basin completely disappearing after you beat WP pre-GT

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It no longer had a job to do

steep pond
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The void woulda tried to kill him before he even armored it up

raw forum
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That's not necessarily the case either

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"Kill people who try to pass this location"

steep pond
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I mean the mould all the kingsmoulds were made from has the SERVE command idk how this is a debate

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And if they serve him he would give it directives like defend and kill

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We dont even know if the mould can give several directives or if the directive on the mould can be changed

raw forum
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In any case that imprint is no longer visible. I suppose you could argue it disappeared with PK's death and only the other two remained.
It's also plausible that there were multiple moulds, or that the mould with the "SERVE" command could have been swapped out with other commands as they were needed.

raw forum
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But SERVE isn't one of them

steep pond
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Yknow what, I have other shit to deal with and you aint gonna move off the hill

raw forum
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Alright. But for the sake of clarity, I was simply suggesting an alternative rather than saying your explanation was implausible.

wise wedge
steep pond
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???

cursive ruin
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Multiple commands, one mould, all from the same imprint

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Each layer of the imprint is a different command

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At least I'm assuming

steep pond
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I'm asking for proof, not speculation

hidden egret
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Serrara on her way to say something w/out giving elaboration or proof run

steep pond
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I should totally play minish cap or whatever thats from someday

cursive ruin
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It's Minish Cap

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I played some of it, good game

raw forum
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She's talking about Collector presumably

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Kingsmould imprint + LKB mind imprint

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Not sure I'd call that a "layered imprint", seeing as it's described as being a fusion of sorts

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Original Kingsmould imprint prolly doesn't still exist separate from LKB's mind that was assimilated

wise wedge
rough fern
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Idk about this one but also who was the vessel that the knight gets the moth wing cloak from in greenpath?

cyan moss
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Just a random Vessel.

rough fern
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Ok but why did hornet murder them?

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Nvm probs for the same reason she attacked the knight

cyan moss
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Yeah it is what she does.

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Kill Vessels.

rough fern
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Poor vessels

zinc lichen
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does she maybe think they want revenge for what PK did to them and she needs to kill them before they do something drastic?

cyan moss
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She says she wants to kill you before you free the Hollow Knight, freeing the Radiance.
Which is dumb cause she considers breaking the Dreamers' seal an impossible task already.

rough fern
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She is just taking precautions, after all murder is fun

wise wedge
rough fern
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She might of been protecting her mother

zinc lichen
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Wait isn't this is a huge plothole? I thought no one knew about dream nail except moths...

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how does hornet know TK even has a chance of getting to THK?

rough fern
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I don't see how the kight can't just stab the dreamers to death in their sleep

cyan moss
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You can try, didn't you ?

zinc lichen
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because their physical bodies are dead

cyan moss
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They have a seal shielding them.

zinc lichen
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but aren't their physical bodies just dead?

cyan moss
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They're in eternal sleep.

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I'm guessing the masks protect against natural death due to how long Quirrel was able to live thanks to it.

zinc lichen
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that's true

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quirrel was very old, but I mean ogrim has lived a long time as well

rough fern
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Does the mask maker have signifigance to the dreamers and quirrel?

cyan moss
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Seems to, like how Quirrel lost memories because of the mask.

zinc lichen
rough fern
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I would say it is likely that the mask maker made the masks that the dreamers and quirrel use

zinc lichen
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Mask maker probably had a mask monopoly. So he made everyone's masks

wise wedge
wise wedge
rough fern
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Ok

zinc lichen
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etc. etc.

wise wedge
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side note: technically PK's beacon doesn't give minds, it expands them to allow for higher thought

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"The Wyrm becomes beacon, minds expanded, to yield, to devote. Eternity in promise and charge in progeny cursed."

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that's from the White Palace

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in other words: "I become a beacon, to expand the minds [of beings] to yield and devote themselves to me. I promise my kingdom will last forever, at the cost of cursing my children."

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this is compatible with the DN dialogue in the Howling Wastes, which says: "...No king...no mind...Release..."

zinc lichen
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what is higher thought... cause cloth and cornifer seem pretty smart to me...

cyan moss
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Natural intelligence.

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That exist too, the Pale King's beacon just makes a lot of people who don't have it get it, as long as they stay there at least...

wise wedge
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i mean there's examples of natural intellgence within Hallownest before PK came - Moths

zinc lichen
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That's true