who is esmy

[south kettle]

title

Maybe Isma? Or the Nailmaster from Oro's hut?

[proud wind]

Maybe it's slys crush

Or sister

[south kettle]

Why did you assume Esmy's gender

[proud wind]

Brother then

Fucking Gen Z

[south kettle]

I think Sly is probably gay since Sheo is. Maybe Oro killed Esmy because there was a love triangle of sorts.

[proud wind]

Do you mean that corpse he has as a training dummy thing that when you hit summons great hoppers

[south kettle]

Yeah him

[proud wind]

That's a great hopper skull stuffed full of hay or something and uses his spare clothes

It's a training dummy he made

[south kettle]

Bruh

Whatever idc

Who says Esmy can't be a Great Hopper

[gusty dock]

They’re not mentioned ever again, so we all should know you are traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of lore and arguments but of headcanon. A journey into a baseless land whose boundaries are that of imagination. Your next stop, the Speculation Zone.

[proud wind]

Could a great hopper even fit in the Crossroads

Or even get to dirtmouth

I realize how that sounds dumb

But then again he might've been chasing something that he thought was Esmy, maybe an illusion he wasn't actually seeing

Probably an old memory

[south kettle]

That's really rude

Why are you calling my theories baseless

I think you just don't know the lor

e

You're afraid of having new ideas

[proud wind]

They're mentioned once as a passing comment from Sly and then I don't remember a single instance of the name Esmy every again

[south kettle]

Ok so

PK is also only mentioned once by name in the entire game

Guess he's not impotent

I mean important

[proud wind]

Who mentioned PK by name

[south kettle]

The PK Fountain in AB

[proud wind]

Aren't there bugs who refer to him as their king

Or leader, or something

[south kettle]

Yeah but they don't refer to him by name

[proud wind]

Esmy gets a single line and never another mention

[south kettle]

A lot of NPCs aren't mentioned that much

[proud wind]

Meanwhile PK is referenced when you start up the game with Effigy to Hallownest

[south kettle]

Where

Elegy for Hallownest is directed towards a personification of the kingdom, not PK himself

[proud wind]

I'm using your own point against you at this point you're just doing this for fun

[south kettle]

What

[proud wind]

You said yourself that it references both PK and Hallownest

[south kettle]

Oh yeah the other day

Well that's irrelevant

Now we are talking about Esmy

[proud wind]

Ok so you're just trolling then got it

[south kettle]

😥

[dapper bobcat]

kirb imma punch you

[south kettle]

I mean it's true that PK and Esmy are both only mentioned once by name

[pine pewter]

this is too funny

[rough ravine]

??????????

[south kettle]

Just a theory

[rough ravine]

??????????????????????????????????????????????????

[dapper bobcat]

@south kettle 👊

[south kettle]

Fist bump 👊

[dapper bobcat]

[turbid plank]

Well in Sly's dream, he says

...ugghh, Oro you oaf.... You wield your nail... like a club...
...Esmy... how much deeper do we have to go...

So I don't think it'd be a leap in logic to assume that Oro and Esmy have some sort of connection

[south kettle]

So true bestie

[river coyote]

i dont think thats how that works

what if esmy was broken vessel or smt

he was going like further down

and broken vessel wasnt given a proper name so that could be it

[fringe locust]

I think at the time of hallownests peak would probably have been there, I mean hallownest is a 3D space afterall and there would be roads we just can’t see
Also these snail carts were carried around and they fit

I doubt it was a great hopper though since they are found in kingdoms edge, where the wild, uncivilized early forms of the bugs were found

[river coyote]

i dont think hoppers are smart enough for that honestly, they just seem to run around mindlesly and attack whoever they see coming to their territory

[proud wind]

To be fair that is while they're infected but they could be dumb otherwise

[weak moss]

.

[south kettle]

Thank you everyone these are all some really great ideas

tbh I don't even know that much about Esmy I didn't think there was so much lore on them

Maybe Esmy was an uninfected Great Hopper who was granted sapience by PK's beacon

[turbid plank]

Why does Sly love geo so much? Is there any sort of connection with Esmy, Sly's love for geo, Mato disliking Oro, and Oro being the only Nailmaster who makes you pay him for his Nail Art?

...Geo. Geo. All the world is Geo. No nail can withstand its might...

[proud wind]

Cause Sly is a shopkeeper, and since there's no competition he can make as much as he wants

[south kettle]

Yeah that's why I made the connection initially

[proud wind]

Plus he retired as a nail master so getting a new obsession makes sense

[weak moss]

Yknow, that actually makes sense, given the Durandoo's were also uplifted, and Monomon is a Durandoo that shed her shell

[proud wind]

Wtf is a Durandoo

[south kettle]

Yep exactly

[weak moss]

Durandoin your mom

Gottem

[proud wind]

That's a new one so I'm not mad good job

[proud wind]

I'm assuming that great hopper thing comes from the training dummy he has outside

[south kettle]

Yeah

Its Dream Nail dialogue is "Stronger...brothers" which obviously relates to the Nailmasters

Also it wouldn't make sense for him to give some random hopper carcass a suit

[proud wind]

It's probably related to those other 2 Hopper's in some way

[weak moss]

Esmy's parents

[south kettle]

idk about that

[proud wind]

Ok consider the following, punching bags need to be filled with something right

As we can see it's filled with something that looks like hay

So he used spare clothes to hold it together

What is he gonna do wack a pole with a skull on it

[south kettle]

That's baseless

[proud wind]

It's based on how punching bags and training dummies are made?

[south kettle]

Not relevant to HK

[turbid plank]

Found this in the comment section of https://youtu.be/VwPiCxnTdRk

[south kettle]

OH

That's great

[proud wind]

Hmmm makes sense

Wonder why they'd be searching for the nailsmith anyway slys weapon is already better than whatever that old corpse had

[south kettle]

Nah

AN may have succeeded in crafting a pure nail

[proud wind]

Where would the pure nail be

[south kettle]

Perhaps Sly's nail is the pure nail (that explains its relative size and why it isn't in the room) and Esmy died during their quest which Sly feels guilty over which is why Rad causes him to remember that

[proud wind]

I always assumed the fact it has enough discarded and failed nails to make a charm and had DN dialogue meant it wasn't able to get the PN

[south kettle]

She offers to bring back Esmy in order to trick him into becoming infected and shows him those kind of memories

[proud wind]

And was longing for it

[south kettle]

Well regular Nailsmith has the same dialogue in Junk Pit and he did successfully craft one

[proud wind]

Plus slys nail looks like a normal repaired nail

Just Beeg

[south kettle]

So does TK's pure nail, the sprites are simplified

THK is another example, markings are only visible in EtV

[proud wind]

You'd think he'd slap the knight harder

[south kettle]

So it's highly plausible that Sly's nail is a Pure Nail which was crafted by AN and that Esmy died during this, which is why Radiance shows him those specific visions
Oro also lives in KE and that explains why he connects the two

The floor tile is very important, I didn't realise that

[south kettle]

Gameplay

[proud wind]

Joke

But if he does have a pure nail at least one double damage attack would make sense

[south kettle]

But yeah I think this is a really good theory, thanks everyone

[pine pewter]

hmm

[turbid plank]

A Minecraft villager!?!

[proud wind]

Oh yeah, them

[weak moss]

Me and the homies

[dapper bobcat]

Mush no

[weak moss]

Mush yes

[trail shale]

They're confirmed female I think

[south kettle]

Where

[trail shale]

Probably in slys dialogue somewhere

Either way it's a game about bugs don't get upset about misgendering them

[south kettle]

"they're confirmed female"
Can't provide a source when asked
"it's a game about magic bugs don't get upset about misgendering them"

[vapid sequoia]

Sly only has one line of dialogue for esmy, and it doesn’t reference gender

[trail shale]

I'm PRETTY sure they're confirmed female

[lofty tartan]

you're wrong

[south kettle]

You didn't say that either

Only the Sith deal in absolutes

[trail shale]

Ok yeha I forgot my own message lmao

I think

I've heard them be referred to as a female a lot though

Alternatively, it's a bug. It might not even have a gender. That's how bugs work I think.

[lofty tartan]

I have also heard a lot of peoples assuming videogame characters' gender for some reason.

[south kettle]

HK bugs do use gendered pronouns!

[trail shale]

Not all

Probably not all at least

[south kettle]

They're also not real bugs!

[trail shale]

I don't remember anything from the game its mid as hell

[trail shale]

Yes! And so why get upset about misgendering them.

[south kettle]

...

[dapper bobcat]

they corrected you, you doubled down and are now making ad hominems
idk about your evaluation of who's upset

[trail shale]

I'm doubling down simply because I don't care all that much about misgendering fictional characters.
Also side note I know it's ironic but the fact you both have that "Xx" type of names makes it hard for me to take anything you say seriously

[dapper bobcat]

doubling down on the gender being confirmed? If so by all means provide the support for the confirmation. If you're just complaining about having been corrected, then I don't really care

[trail shale]

I never said it was confirmed what?

[dapper bobcat]

[south kettle]

What are you doubling down on then

[trail shale]

I think

[south kettle]

You were corrected

[vapid sequoia]

this is where I watched my parents die Parappa

[dapper bobcat]

ah so you concede that esmy's gender is ambiguous

so what's your point

[trail shale]

I thought it was about me doubling down on the misgendering bugs

[trail shale]

I slammed my p

[vapid sequoia]

Anyways take the L lowglory

[trail shale]

Yes. I was just saying that I thought they were female because of me misremembering stuff and hearing a lot of other people say they were

[dapper bobcat]

so what are you now saying

[tough mason]

"...ugghh, Oro you oaf.... You wield your nail... like a club...
...Esmy... how much deeper do we have to go...
Oh! What?! Who are you?!"
Only mention of Esmy in the whole game and no mention of them being female or male

[trail shale]

Yeah thanks Sarv

Wait that's not sarv

[vapid sequoia]

Pretty big headcanon that Sly and Esmy were a thing for some reason

[weak moss]

But you see, Darth Kenobi, that in and of itself is an absolute.

[trail shale]

Sly might be gay

[dapper bobcat]

bc 13 year olds think every connection is romantic by default

[weak moss]

BRO???????

[tough mason]

Uh whats your evidence for sly being gay?

[dapper bobcat]

none

[trail shale]

None. Its called a joke.

[tough mason]

Ok

[dapper bobcat]

and it shouldn't really have to be said but HK bugs do have gender, Hornet's title is literally "gendered child"

[vapid sequoia]

Emo moment

[trail shale]

Yeah obviously

But like tiktiks? The mushroo- wait mushrooms aren't bugs

[tough mason]

No

[trail shale]

Emu war

[dapper bobcat]

Given context, it's very plausible that Esmy was sapient

[trail shale]

They were HOMO sapien(t)!!!!

[dapper bobcat]

in fact it would be very odd if esmy wasn't sapient

sapient bugs have gender as far as we see, so esmy probably has gender

[trail shale]

Esmy was a bug waifu from neon genebug evanwaspion

[vapid sequoia]

They are. It’s weird.

[pine pewter]

none of the translations use gendered pronouns either

[lofty tartan]

Ah, yes, the 100% accurate translations.

[dapper bobcat]

none of the translations use any pronouns for them because there's no dialogue that uses their pronouns

[pine pewter]

i mean while i don't think translations are necessarily canon the information given to make (at least some of) them probably is

[fringe locust]

If it isn’t important for the lore then its not worth fighting over

[south kettle]

God fucking dammit

[fringe locust]

Don’t worry I won’t argue for or against gendering then I just think taking over this whole discussion with one fight about one wrong word that didn’t even harm anyone isn’t worth it

[dapper bobcat]

that's not really what he did thoughh

[serene cliff]

nah esmy is definetly a chick she litterally called mother i cant rememebr the exact statement but shes definetly the trios mom

[turbid plank]

Seems like a reputable enough source to me

[weak moss]

What

[serene cliff]

ur right its not i gotta look into it more

[weak moss]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-team-hahaha-gif-18072160

There is 1 single line about Esmy and thats it, and nothing references Esmy being a mother

[serene cliff]

Well whoever she is im sure she would love mr whites blue rocks

your right i shoulda looked up the dialouge first

[weak moss]

also the Nailmasters might not even be biologically related

[serene cliff]

thats a good point that ive never thought about but or and moto probably are since they do refer to eachother as brother

but it could be a brother in battle situation

that would be something team cherry would do cause they dont want us to know anything about the lore 😭

[turbid plank]

I saw a theory somewhere that since Oro, Mato, and Sheo are all one generation of Nailmasters and their names all end in "o" , maybe Sly and Esmy are the previous generation

[pine pewter]

that's nonsense

[vapid sequoia]

theories based on other theories tend to not be fallible

especially ones with shaky evidence like that

[turbid plank]

Cool

[torn shoal]

Seems reasonable

No real evidence for or against it but it seems interesting

[lofty tartan]

Hitchens' razor my beloved.

[opal folio]

we simply don’t know enough to draw any conclusions

[lofty tartan]

[amber spire]

where is this from

I apologize for replying to a 4 month old message

also this entire thread is hilarious. A bunch of people making assumptions and speculating and then another bunch literally destroying them with logic and reason and the speculators making absolutely no sense and trying to defend themselves

and it's going nowhere

fast

[lofty tartan]

The Monomon Durandoo "theory"
Yeah don't take it seriously-

[neon pollen]

I think most likely Esmy is Sly's training partner (or couch 🤷‍♂️ ) back when he training to become a master