#Proving Force Formula using Calculus

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arctic zenith
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Attached is the question along with my work. How do I get rid of the bracket in the numerator?

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deft gale
low narwhalBOT
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Omegabet_

arctic zenith
deft gale
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cause dv/dt*sqrt()=0 by that

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so 0-0/cnst = 0

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v isnt a constant, c is a constant

arctic zenith
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Yeah of course but the whole point of the question is to prove the formula so u play games with differentiation to get the two force formulas to be equal

deft gale
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yes, but you did something bs

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you said something not constant is a constant

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everything that follows is wrong

arctic zenith
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How are v and c not considered constants when differentiating in terms of t

deft gale
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are you told v is constant?

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c is the speed of light, which is famously a constant

arctic zenith
deft gale
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ok

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then you showed F=0

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since $\dv{v}{t}=0$

low narwhalBOT
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Omegabet_

deft gale
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hence the numerator is $0-0=0$

low narwhalBOT
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Omegabet_

deft gale
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which means... all of physics except displacement is... constantly 0

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which, idk about you, feels wrong

arctic zenith
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Ok what do you want me to do argue with the question my answer wasn't f=0

deft gale
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it is

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your answer is 0 given you're saying v is a constant wrt t

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but anyway, v isnt a constant

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so treat it as such

arctic zenith
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My brother in Christ this isn't helping me prove the formula

deft gale
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it is

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ive told you the glaring mistake you've made

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and told you how to correct it

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compute $\dv{t}\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}$ properly

low narwhalBOT
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Omegabet_

deft gale
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then continue with the algebra

arctic zenith
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Mmm implicit differentiation?

deft gale
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sure

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but anyway, by chain rule you get $\frac{1}{2\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}\dv{t}(1-v^2/c^2)=\frac{1}{2\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}(-\frac{2va}{c^2})$

low narwhalBOT
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Omegabet_

deft gale
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or something like that

arctic zenith
deft gale
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$F=m_0\frac{\dv{v}{t}\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}-v\dv{t}\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}{1-v^2/c^2}=m_0\frac{a\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}+\frac{av^2}{c^2}(1-v^2/c^2)^{-1/2}}{1-v^2/c^2}$

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multiplying top and bottom by $\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}$ and further algebra should give the desired result

low narwhalBOT
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Omegabet_