#is this true, if yes how do I prove it?

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sand cedar
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If f(c)>g(c) for some c and f(x)>g(x) implies f'(x)>g'(x) for any x then is f(t)>g(t) for all t?

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sand cedar
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My intuition says it has to be true

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sand cedar
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The problem I have with this is that the interval (-delta,delta) could be shrinking so fast that the "induction" will only give us the validity of the statement in a finite interval instead of over the entirety of the real numbers

timber needle
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If f(c)-g(c)>0 for some c, then there is an open neighborhood around c where this inequality holds

junior lodge
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Does this only hold for t>c

timber needle
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the second condition is funny. The converse is true for open intervals

junior lodge
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I’m just thinking if f(x) = x and g(x) =0 and we pick a c say 3
F(c) > g(c) and f’(t) > g’(t) for all t but f(-5) < g(-5)

timber needle
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yeah I thought about the negation too, didn't see anything wrong with it but couldn't come up with an example lol

sand cedar
junior lodge
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unsure youd need someone better than me to verify

wispy saffron
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Any functions f and g such that f'(x) > g'(x) for all x would automatically satisfy the second condition, because f(x) > g(x) being true would always imply f'(x) > g'(x). So simple linear functions like f(x) = 2x and g(x) = x would satisfy the conditions. But f(x) is not greater than g(x) everywhere.

sand cedar
wispy saffron
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Oh yeah, for sure. The integral of f' will be >= the integral of g', so f would have to be greater than g for all t>c.

sand cedar
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Or rather t>inf(such c)

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To get a good bound

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I don't know why but I was desperately trying to make it work for all t, even though I knew it was kinda wrong. Thanks.

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sand cedar
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