#question about indexing over sets

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proven dirge
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In a lot of the problems I've been doing I've been asked to let $I$ be a given arbitrary set and let ${A_i}_{i\in I}$ be a collection of sets. But this feels wrong because if we want to think of the indexing as a function $f:I\to S$ for some set $S$, don't we need to provide $S$ beforehand?

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proven dirge
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What should that codomain be?

limpid sparrowBOT
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daniel_the_maniel

proven dirge
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Obviously we need $S$ to be such that $f(I)\subseteq S$, but then we're referencing $f$ before it's been properly defined

limpid sparrowBOT
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daniel_the_maniel

proven dirge
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Oh wait maybe it's ok since $f:I\to S$ is implicitly saying that $f(I)\subseteq S$

limpid sparrowBOT
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daniel_the_maniel

limpid sparrowBOT
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Omegabet_

quiet quest
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If you're given a collection of sets indexed by I, then a possible codomain is just.. the collection of sets

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then $f:i\mapsto A_i$

limpid sparrowBOT
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Omegabet_

proven dirge
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You're referencing f before it's even been properly defined

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Since the codomain is a part of the definition

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Of a function

quiet quest
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yeah, you have I and the collection of sets already

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so just.. define the function

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all that's left in defining a function, given a domain and codomain, is the rule between them

proven dirge
quiet quest
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you were given it

proven dirge
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Omg

quiet quest
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{A_i} is a collection of sets

proven dirge
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Wtf does A_i even mean tho

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You have to imagine you have some function that takes in elements of I

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And you use A_i as just another way of writing f(i)

quiet quest
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define S as some sufficient power set then blobshrug

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You said you were given a collection of sets and wanted a function, so just send the index to the set indexed by said index

solar copper
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The set of sets is defined along with the indexing on it

jagged kestrel
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rule of thumb

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$\bigcup_{i\in I} A_i = \bigcup_{s_j \in I} \left( \bigcup_{i \in s_j} A_i \right)$

limpid sparrowBOT
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instantaneousCoffey

jagged kestrel
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Notice that you can just distribute the index set into other families of sets too

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now this goes on forever so you can keep asking for index sets.

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${A_i} _{i\in I}$ read as : \ $A_i$ belong to the family when i belongs in the index set I

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@proven dirge