#Need help with this

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harsh jungle
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Not sure where to start off, if someone could provide me some hints that'd be great

dense pivot
harsh jungle
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Alright, thank you. After that, would I need to use Unit Circle to figure out what values are greater than 1/2?

dense pivot
harsh jungle
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For these answers, would I need to put in one answer or two?

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ie 1pi/2 and 2pi/3

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etc

dense pivot
harsh jungle
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Awesome, thanks for the help

dense pivot
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You're welcome!

harsh jungle
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It's been a while since I touched this, but I managed to figure out that g(x) = 1/2 when x is 10/3 and 2/3 on a domain between 0 and 4 on a line

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So after graphing it for a visual in my head, I basically made this sketch

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lemme take a pic rq

harsh jungle
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So right now I'm trying to figure out which intervals between [0, 4] is g(x) > 1/2

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And which interval is g(x) ≤ 1/2 as well

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What's a good place to start from here? I know that there's a finite amount of exact answers between these lines because angles can get extremely precise on the Unit Circle.

dense pivot
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Well, you can use the unit circle to solve elementary trigonometric inequalities.

harsh jungle
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Gonna place this here as a placeholder

dense pivot
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For example, you can infer these by looking at a unit circle:
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cos(x) > a (-1 ≤ a < 1)
x ∈ (-arccos(a) + 2πn, arccos(a) + 2πn)
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cos(x) ≤ a (-1 ≤ a ≤ 1)
x ∈ [arccos(a) + 2πn, 2π - arccos(a) + 2πn]

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(or by looking at a graph of cos(x))

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So, can you apply that to our case?

harsh jungle
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uh

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is 2πn in this case a full rotation * how many times it goes around

dense pivot
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Yes.

harsh jungle
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i have no clue why i'd apply arccos

dense pivot
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Forgot to mention: n ∈ ℤ, as usual.

dense pivot
harsh jungle
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oh alright

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so n is an element of the integer

harsh jungle
dense pivot
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Yes. After all, cos(x) is 2π-periodic.

harsh jungle
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oke

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in my case of looking for which integer is > 1/2, where would I apply a into this

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just like any radian within the unit circle or

dense pivot
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What do you mean?
arccos(1/2) has one value.

harsh jungle
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woops

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which is pi/3

dense pivot
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Yes.

harsh jungle
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so because arccos(1/2) is pi/3, in that case would i do (pi/3 + 2πn, 2π - pi/3 + 2πn) to account for arccos(a)

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and just solve for x afterwards

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er

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5pi/3 + 2πn i mean

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pi/3 + 2πn, 5pi/3 + 2πn

dense pivot
harsh jungle
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sorry if i seem stupid this has been a while since i brushed up on calc

harsh jungle
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oh now i see ok

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[π/3 + 2πn, 5π/3 + 2πn]

dense pivot
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So, we have:
cos(πx/2) ≤ 1/2
πx/2 ∈ [π/3 + 2πn, 5π/3 + 2πn]

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Then what will be the set for x?

harsh jungle
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set for x?

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what u mean

dense pivot
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Well, we've obtained the set of solutions, but only for πx/2.

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But we need just x.

harsh jungle
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would i have to multiply both π/3 + 2πn and 5π/3 + 2πn by 2/π

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to isolate x

dense pivot
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Yes.

harsh jungle
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ok and then from there i'd get 2/3 + 4n and 10/3 + 4n

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but those are like the exact values for x = 1/2

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i also need to find out what's greater and what's less/equal than those values

dense pivot
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Yes.
x ∈ [2/3 + 4n, 10/3 + 4n]
However, remember that we're restricted to the interval x ∈ [0, 4].

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So, we neet to cut down that solution set, leaving only the part in our domain.

harsh jungle
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ok

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i just need to figure out from that point whether or not [0, 2/3], [2/3, 10/3] or [10/3, 4] is > than 1/2

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how do i go about finding that

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would it just be like

dense pivot
harsh jungle
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alright so everything between 2/3 and 10/3 will be less/equal to x=1/2

dense pivot
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Yes.

harsh jungle
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how would i know that all other intervals lie outside of [0, 4]

dense pivot
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Because all the other intervals are shifted by multiples of 4.

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Which is the length of our interval.

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Thus, if we have an interval completely inside it and shift it by at least 4 in any direction, it will be completely outside it.

harsh jungle
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oh alright so anything higher than 10/3 would be 4x too great than 4 and anything lower than 2/3 would be 4x lesser than 0

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that's what im getting rn

dense pivot
harsh jungle
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oh alright

dense pivot
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Alright. Now, for cos(πx/2) > 1/2.

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And, as I said, there's no need to actually solve it.

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For any number a and function f(x), we have either f(x) > a or f(x) ≤ a. There are no other options, right?

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So, what we can do for cos(πx/2) > 1/2 is take our solution for cos(πx/2) ≤ 1/2 and subtract it from the whole interval [0, 4].

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By subtract, I mean set subtraction, so you just remove the points, not subtract their coordinates.

harsh jungle
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ok

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let me try to catch up real quick

dense pivot
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Just to recall: our total domain is [0, 4] and the solution of cos(πx/2) ≤ 1/2 is [2/3, 10/3].

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So, the solution of cos(πx/2) > 1/2 must be everything from [0, 4] except [2/3, 10/3].

harsh jungle
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so [0, 2/3] and [10/3, 4]

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because anything in between 2/3 and 10/3 is ≤ 1/2

dense pivot
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Yes.

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Oh, not exactly, though.

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Note that the points x = 2/3 and x = 10/3 are included in the solution of cos(πx/2) ≤ 1/2.

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So, we need to exclude them too.

harsh jungle
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er

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[0, 2/3) and (10/3, 4]?

dense pivot
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Yes!

harsh jungle
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oh thank you

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i understand now

dense pivot
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Great! You're welcome.

harsh jungle
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there's a part of the problem that allows me to graph g(x) and mark where y > 1/2 as well

dense pivot
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Well, do you know what a sine wave looks like?

harsh jungle
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so im guessing in that case i'd just have to draw a line and show what intervals is > 1/2, etc

harsh jungle
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middle up middle down

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repeat over

dense pivot
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We know the points where it is equal to zero (x = 2/3, x = 10/3) and we know where it's positive and negative.

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So, that allows you to draw it.

harsh jungle
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so from there i'd just have to draw a sine wave that goes as high as 10/3 and as low as 2/3

dense pivot
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Oh, no-no.

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Its zeroes are at x = 2/3 and x = 10/3.

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We have cos(πx/2), so its amplitude is still 1. So, it still goes from 1 to -1, etc.

harsh jungle
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oh right

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i just have to draw the zeroed points at 2/3 and 10/3 on that x-axis

dense pivot
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Yeah. Also, I recommend putting + and - signs where the function should be positive or negative.

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Moreover, recall that the peaks and valleys of a sine wave must occur exactly between its zeroes, so that gives you some other points to mark.

harsh jungle
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hmm

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not sure if im doing this right

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one sec ill take a pic

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would it look somewhat like that

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i feel like that sine wave is too big

dense pivot
# harsh jungle would it look somewhat like that

Mostly yes, but a couple of comments:

  1. Considering what I said about peaks and valleys, you can also mark points (0, 1), (2, -1) and (4, 1).
  2. We must be confined to [0, 4], so don't draw anything outside of that.
harsh jungle
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gotcha

dense pivot
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Oh, also! I think I've said that x = 2/3 and y = 10/3 are zeroes, which is wrong. Those are the points at which g(x) is equal to 1/2.

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Sorry about that.

harsh jungle
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all good

dense pivot
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The zeroes should be located at x = 1 and x = 3, which you can also find by solving cos(πx/2) = 0 in our interval.

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So, the points you can mark on the graph are:
(0, 1)
(2/3, 1/2)
(1, 0)
(2, -1)
(3, 0)
(10/3, 1/2)
(4, 1)

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With that many points it should be pretty easy to draw a sine wave.

harsh jungle
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alright, thank you so much for the help!

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if i have any more questions, i'll be sure to let you know

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you've done a great job today 🙂

dense pivot
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You too!

harsh jungle
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Sorry to bother, but this also stumped me a little bit

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On E where it says that I need to use my sine wave to graph that piecewise function, what's it asking for exactly?

dense pivot
# harsh jungle

First, mark the regions where g(x) > 1/2 and g(x) ≤ 1/2. For example, you can dash them in different directions.
Then, for the region where g(x) > 1/2, your f(x) should be 1, and it should be 0 everywhere else on [0, 4].

harsh jungle
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Good afternoon! I was looking at this earlier and I wondered if the sine wave I drew was actually a cos wave

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I'm used to cos(x) usually sloping down when it starts at 0, rather than it going up to 1

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so I was thinking that I might've written a cos wave on accident

dense pivot
harsh jungle
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Alright, so the answer is still acceptable then?

dense pivot
harsh jungle
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Alright, thanks. I'll try to work on the next wave

dense pivot
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Good luck!

harsh jungle
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I have two subsequent assignments at the moment, so I'm trying to deal with the other sheet that's due on Wednesday