A lot of things

[steep epoch]

Water: just increase the global cd and reduce the range of the 5th move. Everything else is fine

Thunder: Doesn't really need any balancing but imo i think the T needs a rework. I know some people like to m2 + T to extend with it but overall the skill just isn't good

Insect: fix the R

Serpent: this might be an L take but give the Y more mobility (kinda like the other dash moves where you can drift or aim it easier)

Stone: put a wind up on the R

Wind: Idk how much dmg the T does but if it needs to be then nerf the T BUT make it extend again instead of knocking back (i doubt dmg needs to be nerfed tho idk)

Flower: needs buff idk how but just do whatever to make it better but not overpowered

Swamp: make the E more readable and put a small windup OR sound on the R so it's at least reactable if someone raws it and maybe rework the Y

Explosion: please revert the E 😭 or make the current E actually useable

Gyokko: needs windup buff (the art overall is really good but some people dont know how to use it at all)

Biwa: lower global cd so slow m1s aren't required to make it useable

Ice: No more E gb and make the R gb again but also make the R knockback also temperature needs a visual and possibly decay.

Hantengu: I mained this art ever since it came out, make the base E not gb anymore and make it so you cannot block while your T is winding up AND during use

Speed: just nerf it a bit, it doesnt need major nerfs but definitely needs something (dmg nerf and no block bypass?)

String: Revert/rework the R, it's not very useable. You can also just keep the move the same but make it useable

Hairo: put a bit of a gcd on the E so the R either cannot or has less of a chance to gb when someone is blocking the E (this might be an L take too)

Halloween: buff it (another one that idk how but it just needs some kind of buff)

also I think all bdas and breathings deserve a 5th skill but the devs can take their time with that as long as everything gets a 5th at some point

[shy harbor]

Thunder doesn't need a change, wind is fine, stone is an easy move to read when they'll use and pb, not everything needs to be able to drift, flower doesn't need to be touched, swamp e has enough of a windup to pb and is extremely readable, swamp r is meant to be quick, the counter to it is to be airborne, explosion e is completely fine, not sure what the complaint is there, gyokko is fine, ice e bypasses, not guardbreak, hantengu just needs to be made pbable, doesn't need tweaks, not sure why you want speed tweaked when nobody uses it and it's average, string doesn't even need the r to be good but the new r is ass, Hairo dumb take, halloween isn't meant to be serious, it's a goofy art, 5th skills for everything is unnecessary since the kits are fine without 5ths

[steep epoch]

Thunder T is just overall not a good move but I guess it doesnt NEED the change but I'm sure the community would take it as a treat because I think a lot of people agree that it's not a good skill.

wind is fine but I think many wind players would prefer T to extend instead of knockback

Stone R without a windup is something that might be easy for YOU to pb/predict but a majority of players will not be able to do that making it blockable would also be a good change if there isn't going to be a windup.

I agree not everything needs to drift but was just a suggestion

I don't use flower so I'm just going with what I fight against and in my opinion it needs some kind of buff

Swamp E just needs to be more readable the windup is fine, it's just not easy to read the animation I think some more obvious vfx would be a good fix to that. I know the R is meant to be quick but I think at least a sound queue with a slight windup would make it so it's harder to land raw but can still extend off of it.

Explosions current E is NOT good. It's super slow with a small hitbox AND blockable, if it was more like tengu spear R then it'd be good.

Gyokko is just not super beginner friendly and imo meant for more experienced players. It's a great art overall but I'm speaking for the players who haven't been in the community for a long time. just making it a bit more beginner friendly would be great

Ice e DOES gb unless they changed it.

Tengu being made pbable would be perfect too, anything to counter the dash e would be great, in my experience of using tengu i rarely ever miss that skill when i dash at the same time. so making it pbable or blockable would both be great.

I just think speed is really brainless for obvious reasons and the T bypasses block.

String is a great art but would be much more fun to play if it was the og R or just useable in general

5th skills aren't NECESSARY for any kit but obviously it just adds something fresh to the game. makes the game fun

Speeds change isnt super necessary because yes I agree that there isnt a large pool of players who use it

[shy harbor]

Thunder t is built for grpup fights and functions in 1v1s just fine, some wind players have found ways to extend with t from what I recall hearing, tailoring the game to bad players is how you make a bad game worse (regarding the stone stuff), good flower users can go crazy, swamp e is insanely readable since it's the only move in the game where you jump into the floor, r doesn't need changes, you're the only person I've ever seen think that it does, explosion e functions almost identically to how it originally did, and can still be combo extended with and everything, gyokko, again, tailoring a game to people who are dumb/bad just makes the game worse, ice e bypasses block

[rare crystal]

u have horrible takes. And ur lowkey toxic about it. I notice that about u in all of these threads.

[shy harbor]

I'm not toxic about it, I'm just blunt and don't word things to spare feelings

I look at things from a flat, realistic standpoint

[rare crystal]

but u gotta acknowledge the fact that u sound like an prick right?

no disrespect but its like

listen to urself, yk?

[shy harbor]

I sound like a prick if you're used to things being sugarcoated

I'll state it bluntly as the truth, no point in making the truth sound pretty when it needs to be said

Too many people care for unnecessary sugarcoating and sparing feelings

[rare crystal]

nah cause i understand being blunt but its like, on EVERY thread on this server u js come with the same energy yo. like relax, not everything needs ur opinion, take a break u sound like u need it

like dang

[shy harbor]

I'm completely relaxed, I give feedback on the suggestions that need feedback, like this one, and I'm not going to act like something is a good idea when it's not, if someone suggests something stupid, I'll state as much

[rare crystal]

yeah, i get it. i be blunt sometimes too, but i try to catch myself because what that ends up doing is spreading negativity

[green leaf]

idkanymore_man You’ve Reached Level 7

[rare crystal]

im js asking for u to be more mindful of that

[shy harbor]

I'm being realistic, if people can't handle that, it's not my fault

Too many people butter their words now and it's resulting in far too many issues

Couldn't care less if people think it's me being rude since I know that is not the case

[rare crystal]

i get it, but what u end up doing is putting other people in a bad mood or making them feel like theyre under fire just because you disagree.

u sound like my 7th grade math teacher

he was a character

[shy harbor]

Not my fault they've been babied too much to accept the fact that they've been provided with logic and facts as to why their idea isn't good

[rare crystal]

its not about being babied. Its about you spreading negativity and being unnecessarily shady

and i used to have this problem too

thats why im saying to js be more mindful

[shy harbor]

I'm using reasoning to explain why their ideas are bad and/or flawed

[rare crystal]

but u sound like a prick when u go about it

u say things more respectfully

[shy harbor]

Okay cool, couldn't care less

[shy harbor]

Respectful and kind are different things

I'm plenty respectful while being blunt and honest

It's an easy switch to flip

[rare crystal]

ur just criticizing. nothing constructive about what you say

[shy harbor]

I don't care what random kids on the internet think about me

[rare crystal]

alr bro

[shy harbor]

You clearly don't read through the responses I give to many of these

[rare crystal]

i do

[shy harbor]

A lot of them have constructive advice on how to improve their suggestions

[rare crystal]

which is why im speaking on it

i see ur name all the time

ur always the agressor its like bro

[shy harbor]

How is it being the aggressor when I respond with feedback? Nothing about it being hostile unless the other person is hostile first, and even then I'm not being hostile usually

You're mixing up separate things, being honest and blunt doesn't stop one from being respectful, nor does it mean they are the aggressor

[rare crystal]

as i said, dude, the problem is u always sounding so condescending when u say what u want. theres never constructive criticism just criticism.

[shy harbor]

If anything, you were technically the aggressor in this conversation

[rare crystal]

idk what youve been through irl but nobody needs that energy over here

[shy harbor]

Except a lot of it is constructive?

[rare crystal]

but its not.

[shy harbor]

Still lost as to the "energy" you're speaking of, since it's not hostile

It's just blunt honesty

[rare crystal]

u being a prick

that energy

[shy harbor]

Except it's not being a prick?

[rare crystal]

except it is.

man whatever

i hope u find urself

[shy harbor]

If anything, it would be more the opposite of being a prick, since it's being honest with the person and not skewing my statements to shield them from the facts

[rare crystal]

I hope you find yourself.

[shy harbor]

Ah yes, resort to those types of comments because you realize you were proven wrong

[rare crystal]

but u didnt prove anything

[shy harbor]

Reread if you think that

And make sure you comprehend what you read

[rare crystal]

all u did was throw a little tantrum because u felt insulted at me trying to make u understand how u sound.

hope things get better for u irl

gn

[shy harbor]

I didn't throw any kind of tantrum? Nor did I feel insulted in the slightest?

I held a discussion using facts and reasoning

[rare crystal]

u sure?

[shy harbor]

You can go reread it all if you'd like

[rare crystal]

cause ive tried to end the conversation like 5 times

if u cant understand what im trying to say then thats on u

i hope u find urself, and goodnight.

[shy harbor]

By implying false information in a manner usually done by petty people and sore losers who realize they were proven wrong

[rare crystal]

ill pray for u

[shy harbor]

Thanks for the entertainment

[rare crystal]

ill pray for u

[shrewd vector]

akaza, gyokko, temari, and arrow compared to other bda is just trash

[shy harbor]

I'd rather you not, save it for someone who actually needs it

[shy harbor]

Gyokko has a 100%, akaza has a 100%, temari is very versatile, arrow can 100% it's just a tricky thing to do

[shrewd vector]

show gyokko combo

[shy harbor]

Check with Lord, I'm not anywhere near my computer right now and won't be for a couple weeks

I know I've seen one done recently

[shrewd vector]

compared to hantengu and douma

all of them cant be compared

douma can spam skill 5

somehow

temari EASY PB

hantengu js spamm skill 1

[shy harbor]

?

It has a 400 second cd and a low hp requirement

Just get them to half then combo them to death with one or two moves and m1s

[shy harbor]

M1 into your moves

[shrewd vector]

uh no

have u not seen people with douma

[shy harbor]

Douma 5th is a 400 second cd and a 40% hp req to activate

[shrewd vector]

pls go to public more often

on my life ive seen a douma spam use skill 5

[shy harbor]

Douma 5th is a 400 second cd and a 40% activation req

[shrewd vector]

i know

[shy harbor]

That's probably Aes, the game's douma who has a spec with buffs to the 5th

[shrewd vector]

but for some reason they can still spam

[shy harbor]

Aka an exception to how the move would normally work

[shrewd vector]

actually no

its a random weak demon

ill rec if i see one alr

but then u promise to me that you will nerf douma after that

[shy harbor]

If it's actually an issue with douma, which I know it isn't since I've tested the 5th before I left town

As have multiple other people

[shrewd vector]

also give biwa 4th skill its sad

[shrewd vector]

priv? yeah no

try public

ong

try to feel our shoes next time dawg

[shy harbor]

When did I say it was in a private?

[shrewd vector]

in testing server?

or in public

with temari balls everywhere

[shy harbor]

Testing isn't only done in separate games

I only hop on rpg2 to screw around in pubs with staff commands now, never seen any of the douma drones spam fifth

[shrewd vector]

do you know sometime

cooldown can disappear

randomly

every now and then

[shy harbor]

Which still doesn't reinforce your statement of it being douma exclusive constant spam

[shrewd vector]

its actually happend morre often to douma

instead of any other bda/breath

[shy harbor]

Once again, that's a game issue, not a douma issue

[shrewd vector]

u still gotta nerf douma

atleast make the lotus one not blockbreak

[steep epoch]

akaza and gyokko are hella good what u talkin about

[acoustic turret]

server lag makes cooldowns reset

hence why in a public u might see a weak demon spam douma

[shrewd vector]

compared to douma it stands no chance

[acoustic turret]

even tho they shouldn’t with the 4 minute cooldown

[shrewd vector]

compared to douma and hantengu it aint winning

[acoustic turret]

ok let’s nerf sun because every breathing can’t do anything against sun

[steep epoch]

gyokko is a big counter to douma and akaza is overall good

[shrewd vector]

sun and moon doesnt need a nerf its admin, big diff

[shrewd vector]

spawn camp skill 5

easy pb skill 4

block skill 3

skill 2 for combo end

skill 1 is the only good skill

[steep epoch]

m2 + Y

[acoustic turret]

akaza is good just because you can’t use it doesn’t mean it’s not good

[steep epoch]

m1 combo end + T

[acoustic turret]

why do u think hybrid mains akaza?

[shrewd vector]

i dont use akaza

[elfin vine]

Maybe you just ass wit it ngl

[acoustic turret]

go back to slayer bro

😂

[shrewd vector]

i am a slayer

😭

[acoustic turret]

challenge a tsuguko

ye go back to the slayer discord server

go sum

😂

[shrewd vector]

next

week

end

[steep epoch]

tsugukos are back?

[acoustic turret]

yes

ong y’all’s balancing suggestion actually rage baiting me

[shrewd vector]

come to think about it i still stand my suggestion to nerf douma

and compared to the old akaza to the new one

the old one is balance enough

[acoustic turret]

old one balanced enough? they could E out of combos anytime, the Y was hella good, T had no sounds so u can hide anims with m1, so on

bro actually rage baiting me

please

[shrewd vector]

i can agree that you guys nerfedT

[acoustic turret]

go back to slayer discord

and do something there

😂

[shrewd vector]

no genuinely akaza is bad compared to the others

[acoustic turret]

say u are ass

[shrewd vector]

u guys didnt understand my prespective

[acoustic turret]

i’m done

[shy harbor]

Except it's not

[shrewd vector]

ok bro

[primal lark]

@shrewd vector akaza is the best bda ur just shit at the game

Keep crying

[shrewd vector]

fym im a slayer

[primal lark]

Even worse

Slayers are trash at the game use akaza for a bit to get good

[rare vortex]

“ts pmo” 🙏🙏❤️‍🩹

[daring pine]

Just block/pb water users bro

[steep epoch]

i can do that perfectly fine but don't you think it's kinda crazy they can use moves back to back without a global cd??

or barely a global cd

[shy harbor]

All of their moves are easy to pb and punish though, they all either bring you to the target or require you already being ontop of the target

If you're hit by one, gcd is pointless unless it's like 5+ seconds of gcd, and even then you can slow m1

Since you'd be put in a combo

[steep epoch]

ik they're all extremely easy to pb but still idk if its the E into the Y or the Y into the E but you can use them back to back

[shy harbor]

And if you do longer than that, it removes all combo potential basically

[shy harbor]

Not if one gets pb'd

[steep epoch]

i don't really have a problem with water but it's just annoying when they do that

[steep epoch]

sometimes they miss the first one on purpose

it's a good strat

just annoying to fight against

[shy harbor]

Then pb the second one

[steep epoch]

normally im already setup to try and block the first one

if it's E into the Y then it sets me up for a gb or i just gotta eat it cuz u cant block and then instantly block again after you let go

[shy harbor]

If you're pbing, you tap the key, not hold, so if you're being guardbroken by a followup attack to a missed pb, that is your fault

And you can instant block, the game doesn't have a pb attempt cd

You can legit f macro to pb things, that's an old banned strat from factions

[steep epoch]

ig thats probably just my ping then lol

[shy harbor]

Happens, game isn't well optimized

[steep epoch]

also did they change the combat in any way?

for some reason everything jus doesnt feel as fluid as it used to

[shy harbor]

Not to my knowledge

Only difference would be you being older and having better taste

[steep epoch]

it just feels wonky now unless its always been wonky

idk what it is about it

something just feels off

[shy harbor]

Always been wonky