Mastery effects

[stray lotus]

With further understanding / mastery over a breathing, you unlock more advanced VFX. Similar to how Murata has close to zero effects, however Tanjiro (an accomplished water breathing) has quite a lot.

[tender schooner]

not really canon

[stray lotus]

Literally gave examples 😭

[tender schooner]

and this

er no gif perms

[stray lotus]

L

[tender schooner]

giyus and tanjiros water breathing looks exactly the same

[stray lotus]

then explain murata's?

[tender schooner]

side character

they don’t waste effects on them

[glass veldt]

why is this getting downvoted

[stuck cloak]

Thats a fire idea yall r triping

[pine sonnet]

hzm1467 You’ve Reached Level 4

[potent merlin]

Not being able to know what breathing style it is due to the mastery stuff hiding the visuals would be horrible for a fight

[stray lotus]

just saying it would be less strong

like

a bit less clearer effects

[glass veldt]

didn’t see “close to zero”

but besides that it’s a decent suggestion

[potent merlin]

For a story game sure, but a combat game with pvp, nah

[glass veldt]

i mean the devs can always tone down the vfx difference to make it viable for pvp

i get the concern with diminished effects making it hard to distinguish what breathing your opponent is using

but then wouldn’t it work if the change in visuals was subtle?

like for example water breathing having a more violent “splash” when a skill hits

besides, (im assuming mastery refers to levels) wouldn’t levels in gamemode be the same for all players? so any vfx difference would be gone

the key takeaway is that having slightly enhanced vfx for higher levels would be a nice detail, as long as it’s subtle and breathings are still largely easy to recognise (imo)

[potent merlin]

In my opinion, I still see that as an awkward advantage over others, just seems meh to me

[potent merlin]

My understanding was like blox fruits style mastery, as every game that has a mastery mechanic seems to do it usage based with the specific thing, separate from levels

[glass veldt]

it’s completely visual though, the only issues i can see is if the visuals increase in size (which can be avoided by finding alternative ways to enhance vfx) or if effects become too overwhelming (which probably won’t happen)

[potent merlin]

They want the opposite, hidden effects and reduced visuals

[glass veldt]

i don’t think we know anything about this from what higo has shown us

[potent merlin]

No I'm talking about the OP of the suggestion

They want that type of system and your visuals gradually reduce and lessen

[glass veldt]

could still work, but obviously not to the extent OP suggested

[potent merlin]

Would still be bad for pvp

[glass veldt]

depends on how many effects are removed no?

i agree with you that OP’s approach wasn’t the best

but his or her idea of different vfx intensities is a nice idea

[potent merlin]

Not for a game that will likely have a large focus on pvp and thus that would cause a lot of awkward interactions

[glass veldt]

what if the changes were very subtle

but still noticeable if you just look at the skill for fun

[potent merlin]

Changes that could still very easily impact detecting a move compared to a different one

[glass veldt]

aren’t skills already pretty easy to detect, at least in rpg2?

also the extra effects doesn’t have to be bright or anything

for example thunder first skill can cause a bit of visual environmental damage when the actual dash occurs

[potent merlin]

From the sneaks shown, Hino moves are faster than rpg2, imagine water kit but you have a few frames to react, and all you can really see before that reaction time runs out, is barely varying vfx of moves

Now reduce that vfx

You have a much harder time detecting which is which as the effects are reduced

[glass veldt]

i’m talking about increasing vfx, not what OP suggested

[potent merlin]

Increased vfx would just be unnecessary strain on the server

[glass veldt]

that is fair

[stray lotus]

I meant like the lower level you are there's diminished effects

also you could js make it a setting

that you turn on / off

[dreamy light]

At that point don’t have it at all if you can toggle it on or off

[potent merlin]

That would make it more inconsistent and worse for balancing

[torn perch]

Love the idea, unfortunately the pvp balancing aspect would be horrific.

You can do a weighted system of sorts where yes the effects are harder to see, but in return you are equally as weak as you are visible. Making fights between high levels fun to watch, and fights between newbies very slow and boring.

I'm sure there's a way to get the balancing there, but overall it could be a nightmare to deal with 🤷‍♂️

[potent merlin]

if anything I'd rather watch the fights between high levels be exceedingly long, as that affords more time to make mistakes and to recover from them

but I know nobody has the attention span for a minute or longer fight

[torn perch]

High level fights should be long, but not slow. Their health pool and skill in dodging/blocking/parrying should make up for the high DMG and flashy attacks

But battle speed and length aside, the effects would be neat to see

[potent merlin]

The OP's idea was high mastery = low vfx

Aka reducing your vfx as you play more

[torn perch]

Oh I understood the opposite

If the opposite were the case, it'd be cool and a neat way to see somebody's power without displaying "level: xx" above them.

But if the neat visuals fade with experience... That's dumb, nty

[torn perch]

I reread the suggestion, I believe you have it backwards, not me, unless I really cannot read 🙃

[potent merlin]

meh, either way it's bad for pvp

[torn perch]

Well if the 2 fighters are equal in level, there is no benefit or handicap to having this

And if they are not equal in level, the lower level has a SLIGHTLY bigger advantage in the "visibility" department. While the better, more experienced player may be easy to spot, they make up for that with more speed, power, and skill.

I think the balancing there is totally fine... But I've never developed on Roblox so tbh I say this all with a grain of salt

[potent merlin]

mastery in most games is separate from level, and neither party should have an easier or harder time hiding what move is being used

the vfx is made the way it is relative to the move for a reason

[torn perch]

I didn't really think we'd have mastery separate. But with that being the case, yeah this entire suggestion falls to pieces unfortunately..

Although, I do still think it's a really cool idea and can potentially be used for something less crucial to the games core, unlike pvp.

Maybe higher mastery makes you have VFX when running out of combat idk. Just something that other players can see and say "that guy is strong and we're not even close enough to each other to see our users"

Just wave a big 2d banner over any max level dude saying "THIS GUY PLAYS THIS GAME A LOT"

[potent merlin]

that just turns into having to make excess vfx that are not used that much or for anything practical

[torn perch]

Not all game mechanics need to be practical tho

And especially vfx, they help with much more than practicality 🤷‍♂️

[potent merlin]

yes but increased/excessive vfx is unnecessary and unpractical

it adds server strain, requires more funding for no good purpose, etc

[torn perch]

Yeah I can get behind that

But it's not a machine that's being built here, some inefficiency is bound to stick around. Regardless, this goes outside of the bubble that is this suggestion, so I'll close my statement with "it would be cool to implement if done right" and that's about it 👍

[pine sonnet]

.flai You’ve Reached Level 20

[wicked ibex]

Could be done.

But server strain.

I think you guys are drastically not getting that on top of regular effects, they'll have to keep making more for different mastery..

Which in itself is not needed, unnecessary, and very laggy.

[glass veldt]

i thought it was high mastery = high vfx

[torn perch]

If it was done in the most inefficient way possible, yeah

You can also, just for example, have it vary by range. Like this:

Mastery 0-10 = no vfx (no graphic needed)
Mastery 11-49 = light vfx (separate small graphic)
Mastery 50-89 = medium vfx (another separate slightly nice graphic)
Mastery 90-100+ = full vfx (one last separate graphic, to save on work load you can just increase the size of the last one, then combine the first graphic too.)

This is a rough example, but again, could easily work in a multitude of ways 🤷‍♂️

[dreamy light]

I mean I feel like it would kinda be unnecessary I see the point but not being able to see the vfx will make combat weird and it takes up an unnecessary amount of coding for it

[wicked ibex]

You're not getting it bro

The more mastery that's more effects that have to be loaded in the server storage

If there're 30 players in the game With all different ranging effects and mastery

The game has to continually check register check register apply check register apply

You're looking at it at a cool standpoint and not a will it work standpoint

[torn perch]

Brody. This game has an inventory system. Your point is immediately invalid because the server has to keep each player's inventory of how ever many items in constant check.

[torn perch]

My point is it can easily work.

Whether it's something they want to do or not, is completely up to the devs at the end of the day.

[wicked ibex]

Bro, an inventory isn't constantly changing unless the player does something.
But mastery effects would have to be constantly checked and updated live across 30+ players.
That’s a way bigger strain.
Just because the server can manage inventory data doesn’t mean adding real time effect checks would be easy or smart.
You’re mixing up static info with stuff that’s happening every second it’s not the same thing at all.

That’s like comparing a bookshelf to a conveyor belt.

[torn perch]

Mastery level does not need to be constantly checked. Only once on connection to the server, and trigger another check every time you gain a mastery level. Once checked once, you can apply that level range of mastery vfx.

I feel like you've mistakenly put the mastery level as a constant changing variable... When it isn't. The experience, sure, but that's being checked either way. The level can be checked once every time you trigger a "mastery level gain" and then never again until the next one.

[wicked ibex]

Fair, I get it now. If it's event-based and not constant checks, it's way lighter. I was just thinking from a worst-case scenario.

Honestly, we’re both right just looking at it from different angles.

Good chat

[torn perch]

Agreed 🙏

Still ultimately up to the devs lol