Flame breathing don't cause burn

[versed orbit]

Before I say anything, THERE IS NO “POWER” IN DEMON SLAYER.
There are only effects, yes, effects. The effects of the water, and the snake for example, are “abstract”.
And I also have proof:

Demon slayer Vol. 17, ( I Can't send print)
"The swordsmen don't actually produce water, but it looks that way to people watching"

as you can see, the creator of Demon Slayer said this. This, in my opinion, should apply to “All” Breaths of this “style” such as: Flames, Sun.
The insect's breath is the only one that has Real "Effects", as Shinobu's sword causes real Poison to the oni. This is just for the “Realism” of Hinokami, and for greater immersion of the player, the effects can still exist and be seen in the game, but in my opinion they should not cause any burn or stun to them... "Ah, More Muzan if it burned for 400 years when yoriichi used the sun breath of the on it" Muzan was burning for years because of yoriichi's red blade You can read this.(Note) Hunters can see the breaths, And even feel them.

[charred halo]

still doesn’t hurt to add burn damage to make flame breathing different from others

also it’s already been established multiple times that the game won’t be 100% accurate to the show

[versed orbit]

Hm....
I hadn't seen that yet.

[versed orbit]

I said this just for realism

[charred halo]

now you know

[charred halo]

i personally think practical mechanics should be prioritised over realism

[versed orbit]

Yes.

[green ether]

seroman9639 You’ve Reached Level 6

[charred halo]

also you wouldn’t want a game to be too realistic

the only reason i support burning damage is because it separates flame breathing

it’d be much better if the devs put more emphasis on it

[versed orbit]

Yes, I know, But this is the "basics" of demon slayer

[charred halo]

demons taking damage in the sun is also a “basic”, but the devs chose not to add it

[versed orbit]

This changes the playstyle, not the combat style (there's a big difference)

[charred halo]

“this” referring to sun damage?

[versed orbit]

Yes. (I from brazil, So I use Google Translate)

My english is very bad...

[charred halo]

oh ok

burn damage makes flame breathing unique, which is good.

just because the show has something, it doesn’t mean it must also be in the game

so, just because the effects from slayers in the show are not actually real, it doesn’t mean they can’t exist in the game

[versed orbit]

I didn't say it's because this isn't a Demon Slayer, which should be in the game, I just think this realism changes the mechanics. And would flame breathing be unique just because of that?
(The effect will can show in my suggestion, But no cause burn and stun

[charred halo]

i don’t understand

[versed orbit]

The effects are visible (and no cause burn)

[charred halo]

ok

if you take away flame breathing’s burn, you take away some variety from the game

the reason you don’t feel that the burning is significant is because there is little emphasis on burning in dsrpg2

but with more emphasis, it’ll actually serve a purpose

if burning is strong enough, you can make flame breathing the first breathing style to rely on passive damage instead of the usual skill combos

[charred halo]

no other demon slayer game has really done this, so this will make hinokami unique

[versed orbit]

This Variety don't exist in anime.

[charred halo]

hinokami being unique will help it stand out among competitors like demonfall

[versed orbit]

Project slayers.

[charred halo]

doesn’t mean it can’t exist in the game

[versed orbit]

Hm...

[charred halo]

project slayers is unique in their own way

[versed orbit]

I said it and I repeat it, just "Realism"

[charred halo]

why does it have to be realistic?

[versed orbit]

Apart from demon fall and project slayers, name me one more demon slayer game

[charred halo]

any demon slayer game? or a game that’s unique

[charred halo]

wisteria

[versed orbit]

This changes the combat and also the player's immersion. Also becoming more apprehensive about the future.

[charred halo]

a game doesn’t need to be realistic to be immersive

i don’t see how “realism” links to “becoming more apprehensive about the future”

[versed orbit]

But that helps a lot, right?
And wisteria have burn, in flame breathing. I think it's a good idea
What do you think about the snake's breath causing poison like in dsrpg2?

[charred halo]

it doesn’t necessarily help. immersion relies on execution of the game. i don’t have an example that proves this.

i support snake breathing’s poison damage

[versed orbit]

I understand the fire one, but the snake one? (We should have the forms at least based on the anime.

In the anime there is nothing saying that the obanai's breath causes poison, and its akes don't cooperate

[charred halo]

that is true. im not sure about the actual reason for the forms being different, but it could be due to the developers “guessing” what snake breathing looks like from the manga (because they made snake breathing before it was shown in the anime)

[versed orbit]

I too... In the manga, many things are confusing. Mainly the forms

[charred halo]

yes, that explains why snake breathing is so different from the show

[versed orbit]

Well, I think the poison in her is very exaggerated. But now that we can understand how that doesn't help. Why doesn't he do anything to cause poison or show it in the foms

Now you can understand the forms very well (things that weren't possible at the time of DSRPG2)

[charred halo]

i dont know why they added the poison in the first place, but it doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing (for combat)

[charred halo]

the developers don’t want to work on dsrpg2 anymore, so that’s why they didn’t bother updating snake breathing

[versed orbit]

I think it would be, because the attacks don't "pierce" anything like Shinobu's

[versed orbit]

I know.

[charred halo]

i need to go

[versed orbit]

And the sword of shinobu have a poison.

[charred halo]

leave it to someone else to debate with you

[versed orbit]

Ok. bye.

[supple thistle]

I would also prefer a game where they focus mostly on the playstyle because that's what makes the forms unique rather than adding passives that make the effects more tangible

but there's nothing wrong eith it persay, no reason to not have both

though I'm kind of a stickler when it comes to things between lore and gameplay, so serpent breathing having poison feels dumb to me, especially since that's insects gimmick

could've given it something else that makes it different to the others

[dense drift]

You know something that happened discards this whole thing

In the fight against the Sasumaru and Yahaba,he was using water to break his falls

[pure pawn]

If we follow demon slayer word for word, it would result in a horribly balanced game with a billion inconsistencies

Demon slayer is used as inspiration, just because something exists in the manga or anime does not mean it must be added to the game

[rare ore]

I still don’t understand why for the manga they said this when Tanjiro literally broke his fall numerous times with water breathing

[rare ore]

I didn’t even read this but see it’s not just me lmao

[honest minnow]

starting with defending your understanding of demon slayer is bold for a roblox game suggestion 😭

[charred halo]

he spat on the ground so hard it propelled him upwards

voila, water breathing

[heady crown]

It’s a very confusing way of describing sword skills yeah. I like to think the visual representation is visible to everyone, kinda like the marks

[dense drift]

Makes sense

[rare ore]

Yeah same

[versed orbit]

I didn't say I needed to follow it word for word, I just said that was the basics, and I thought it was a good idea

[versed orbit]

I thought this morning and I completely agree with you.

[versed orbit]

Ok, even if we have burn in the flame's breath, will we have poison in the snake's breath like in DSRPG2?
I think the only one who could do this is Shinobu

[pure pawn]

up to the devs, they all know that ds is not well written so they mostly do not copy the source material's combat mechanics

plus the story is inconsistent for ds anyways

[supple thistle]

its just falling in a way that minimizes damage

if we follow that the elements are actually tangible, the story alltogether makes less sense

not that everything makes perfect sense without it, but the elements being tangible cause alot more problems with it

i believe it's pretty straight forward in the manga

anime exaggerates alot, rule of cool

[cinder hatch]

hinokami prolly isnt going to stick to all of demon slayers rules so its kinda better that breathings have side effects, creates more diversity between breathings besides how they look

[dense drift]

With his sword

[supple thistle]

when all you have is a sword, its better than landing straight on your ass

he still took damage from the fall

[dense drift]

The sword wasn't even scratched, and do you think the sword could cushion the weight of that fall

[supple thistle]

it's about using the sword in a way there you arent letting your body take the full brunt of the fall

that's not an unrealistic thing

[dense drift]

And he swung it

[supple thistle]

yeah, he did

still makes more sense than him yknow, summoning water out of nowhere to safely cushion his fall

[dense drift]

How would that help his fall

[supple thistle]

because landing on our body would be worse??

[dense drift]

It's anime that water makes more sense

[supple thistle]

the slayers cant shoot water

do you think giyu legitamately summons and ocean to stand still and slash something when he uses dead calm

[dense drift]

Did you see the sword,he fell from like from the second floor,so there's no way the sword did anything.

[supple thistle]

the sword might not do much, but its better than falling straight on his ass

[dense drift]

So what does he do

[dense drift]

It's not, it's even worse

The sword could have snapped and injured him

Making the fight end there

[supple thistle]

tanjiro is a skilled swordsman, im pretty sure he knows how to handle his sword in that situation

the sword is all he's got, if he's using those to cut through the necks of demons, he's gonna use it in any way he can to benefit him in the moment

like implying that the slayers can actually just summon elements would pretty much dismantle the entire series

not that it made much sense in the first place, but that makes even less sense, to where it's not even reasonable

the effects are visible to those in the series, but they're still mostly there for artistic effect

if those in the series couldnt see it, it would literally change nothing

it's mostly there for the reader and the people watching it

[dense drift]

He's a skilled swordsman, does that mean he can control gravity?

[green ether]

none002013 You’ve Reached Level 9

[supple thistle]

nobody said that

it's about landing in a certain way, that's called breaking your fall

plus those swords go through much more than things like that

[dense drift]

Swinging your sword isn't breaking a 2 strory fall

[supple thistle]

yeah, not completely, hence why he still took damage

[dense drift]

We've seen the swords break many times

[supple thistle]

yeah, and they've gone through worse than a fall

[dense drift]

He didn't,he stopped his fall with water

[supple thistle]

so your logic is that tanjiro magically summoned water to stop his fall yet he still got injured

[dense drift]

That doesn't mean they will stop your fall

[supple thistle]

like u realize how much less sense that makes

[dense drift]

You're logic is Tanjiro magically swung his sword and broke his fall

[supple thistle]

which makes more sense I'm asking

[dense drift]

He got injured during the fight,he stopped his fall with the water

[supple thistle]

you don't have to understand the my point, but tanjiro is a waterbender now?

[pure pawn]

It would make the story better

[dense drift]

Anime is not real life

[supple thistle]

that's not an explanation

[pure pawn]

Though basically anything would make the story better

That's just how bad it is

[dense drift]

What did we see at the beginning

[supple thistle]

scout here to contribute nothing

with the obligatory demon slayer bad

true, but off topic

[pure pawn]

Yall are debating details of an inconsistent and poorly written story as if the author wrote it well

You're wasting your time

[supple thistle]

I'm just arguing what makes more sense in the context of the story
tanjiro being a waterbender our of nowhere makes less sense, especially with the difference between humans and demons

it's never described that way, because it simply isn't that way

[dense drift]

You know how we see elements in all their swo

[pure pawn]

It makes more sense than "ah yes, 'weak' humans can just swing sword in cool spin to decapitate 'absurdly powerful demonic beings'"

Let's be honest here

[dense drift]

Can swinging a sword break a fall?

[supple thistle]

so why doesn't tanjiro just summon a tidal wave

[pure pawn]

If they actually controlled the elements in their attacks, it would make far more sense

[pure pawn]

Why don't other characters just copy tanjiro's movements and boom, a ton of sun breathers

[supple thistle]

because they're not trained to do so, it's that simple

they learned what was accustomed to them

[pure pawn]

It's not hard to replicate movements with a couple weeks of training

[supple thistle]

they learned their own styles for a reason

if that was the case they wouldn't have done so

[pure pawn]

By your logic, they could all become sun breathers by just copying tanjiro's movements, which is supposedly "the strongest"

[supple thistle]

you're critical of demon slayer yet you don't seem to understand the basics of it

[pure pawn]

The story would make more sense if the elements were real and not purely visual

[supple thistle]

they could, if they all learned about it, but they couldn't because they aren't accustomed to it
tanjiro has literally been practicing it's movements since he was a child

it's not a matter of 2 weeks

there's a reason why the other styles exist, not some random elemental conjuring

thatd make even less sense

[pure pawn]

So you're saying if you specifically trained to do one batch of movements at every waking moment aside from eating and other bodily needs, it would take you more than two weeks?

To do a small chain of movements?

[supple thistle]

a small chain?

convinced you don't know what you're talking about

[pure pawn]

It's a story with demons that are supposedly far stronger than the humans, and all they have to do is dance around and do funky movements with a sword to defeat them

If you want to take it to the bare bones

[supple thistle]

consumed demon slayer thru yt shorts

[pure pawn]

It's a small chain of movements that gets repeatedly looped

The chain being each unique movement, then that batch gets looped

That is the dance his father did

And taught him in parts during his life

Which apparently taught him sun breathing

You could spend two weeks and perfectly replicate that if you focused almost entirely on training

The amount of inconsistencies in the story make any discussion about the semantics pointless

[supple thistle]

there are inconsistencies, but that isn't one of them
you just don't know what you're talking about

focus on what you know

[pure pawn]

He learned sun breathing through replicating his father's dance

The dance was repeatitive motions in a loop

Repetitive*

It was a small chain of motions being repeated in a long loop

Hence why I said to learn to replicate a small chain of movements, as once you get that, all you need to do is repeat it

[supple thistle]

you also need to get them accurately, while it also being draining to do

12 movements then doing them consecutively for hours

[pure pawn]

12 movements that over the course of two weeks of constant training could easily be mastered

Tanjiro learned in small bits and pieces during his childhood

Not constant training

[supple thistle]

and where are u getting this info

[pure pawn]

Logic? If you yourself spent almost every waking hour copying a set of movements for half a month

You would borderline master them

And gain the endurance to repeat them

[supple thistle]

Tanjiro's been doing them for years, and you're thinking that you can learn the dance, accurately translate it into sword combat, all in 2 weeks

delulu

[pure pawn]

Once more, he's been doing them in small bits and pieces, not consistent training

If a human spends two weeks constantly repeating movements, they will master them

[supple thistle]

bits and pieces?

wheres that info

[pure pawn]

The story says that he occasionally would learn alongside his dad, but not that he spent the entire time constantly training

[supple thistle]

because he's always known the entire dance
he just hasn't known how to use them as techniques in combat

hes done the ritual

[pure pawn]

And he randomly learned it mid fight against rui, it's not like he trained the sword movements

If somebody spent two weeks constantly training and replicating the dance, all day long, they could do it too

[supple thistle]

yeah, it came to him in memory, and he didn't get it perfectly, but it was enough to get the job done

in surviving the attack at least

hes always known the entire dance, there's not much to back up what you're saying other than "I think I could do that" when the story presents otherwise

like trust me there's alot to get demon slayer on, but on this you're reaching

anyway

[pure pawn]

How is saying that a human spending two weeks hyperfixated on learning a specific chain of movements being enough to master it a "reach"?

That is how you learn stuff, that is how the human mind works

If you spend that entire time practicing the movements, you will learn them lol

And by demon slayer's logic, that is all it takes to use the style

[supple thistle]

story shows otherwise
hes been doing them for years yet still didn't have them perfectly, especially as they were passed down

[pure pawn]

Again, constantly for years? Or occasionally for years

The dance ritual was not a constant thing lol

[supple thistle]

the ritual dance is literally one of the traditions they hold very important
itd only make sense that he is practicing constantly in his life, especially with the urgency on it

it's not just something they do from time to time

if you think that, then you just don't understand the story

[pure pawn]

Constantly being every day? Every week? Every year? For them being a family in the mountains that spend most of their time chopling wood and supplying the village (which by the start of the story was tanjiro's job), they likely didn't do it more than once a week at most

If a human spends two weeks non-stop training to do one set of motions, they will learn that

Demon slayer tries so hard to specify that the humans are normal humans

So by that, my statement is accurate, as a normal human can spend two weeks non-stop training to learn a set of movements

[supple thistle]

well there's no evidence to give an exact number
but the story implies it takes much longer to learn such a thing, because tanjiro has done it multiple times in his life, and definitely more than 2 weeks total, and still doesn't have it perfectly

I'd agree with you if there was something in the story that agreed with you, but it offers nothing to say so

[pure pawn]

Two weeks of training for about 12+ hours a day? Aka over 168 hours of training with very few breaks? No, he did not do that as far as the story suggests

The closer together the training is, the easier it is to retain the information and to perfect it

[supple thistle]

so what does the story suggest, since you seem to know

[pure pawn]

Tanjiro's was spread out

Not grouped together in a constant training span

[supple thistle]

I'd disagree
especially for something that important for the culture of the time

[pure pawn]

Reread what I've been saying

[pure pawn]

Culture is irrelevant for the people who are just replicating the movements

It would only take two weeks of constant training for somebody to replicate the movements and thus be a "sun breather"

[supple thistle]

if you could read into things you'd know I'm not referring to just movements

[pure pawn]

Since the only thing that determines the effects is the movements

[supple thistle]

it's about how often he'd be doing so

[pure pawn]

[supple thistle]

the ritual is important, he'd at the very least be doing it every week at the least
it's something he has to perform every year, and it's rigorous

if it was that easy, yoriichi would've taught all the slayers sun easily, 2 weeks as you say

[pure pawn]

That does not change the fact a normal human could replicate it with 2 weeks of non-stop training

[supple thistle]

but clearly, some people just couldn't get it, they weren't accustomed to it

so they learned movements they could work with

[pure pawn]

Which doesn't matter to the point I am making

So you are just trying to throw unneeded info out there

I'm just stating that the fact there is nothing unique about the people, the only thing determining the style they use being the movements, is a horrible story tool

It should have actual elements

[supple thistle]

it does, because if that was true, why isn't everyone just using sun?
the fact that most don't know it is because they couldn't learn it

[pure pawn]

They should have to be unique to utilize them

[pure pawn]

Because they didn't have someone around that knew how to do the movements..

They can still just copy the movements and learn it

[supple thistle]

if you think that, then I don't think yoh understand demon slayer or its themes

[pure pawn]

Since in demon slayer, the styles are determined by the movements...

[supple thistle]

you don't need to like it, but you sure don't understand it

[pure pawn]

It makes no sense that the "insanely powerful demons" can be beaten by fancy sword movements with 0 actual effects to them

[dense drift]

You guys are still at it

[pure pawn]

When said demons can destroy entire villages easily

[supple thistle]

yea discussions are fun

[pure pawn]

They are not even putting logical counter-arguments, they keep trying to pull this on tangents

I'm falling asleep here

[dense drift]

That's why I left

[supple thistle]

not a single tangent, I just said you don't understand ds

[pure pawn]

You have been trying to pull it on tangents constantly

I'm going back to bed, I'm hardly even awake right now

[supple thistle]

with your logic I could've assumed that

[supple thistle]

there's a notable gap between demons and humans, but they overcome the gap by using what they have to their fullest
it's not like the demons are impossibly strong to the point where it's completely unrealistic to the context of the story

theyre albeit superhumans who are fighting magic men who are functionally immortal and are only weak to swords that have ore that absorbs sunlight

them being superhumans is all they have, they're still humans with a sword and their skill alone

giving them magic would make them functionally not very different than demons, it's a thematic issue

[rare ore]

Imo it’s the authors fault lmao

[supple thistle]

all they've got are their weapons, not some random unexplained element conjuring that would pretty much close the gap

yeah, it's not a perfect system, but I see why it's there and the purpose of it

making the elements actually tangible would take from the story, not enhance it, if anything how they fight would have to be reworked

like the story overall makes just less sense if it were the case, but not anyone really thinks about it

[heady crown]

U forgot they have marks too

[supple thistle]

yeah, marks are the supernatural tool they do have against them

[heady crown]

So they don’t just have weapons, and actually do have a random unexplained element in a sense

Every upper moon was killed with a mark

Besides Daki and Kaigaku

But they’re exceptions because they’re regarded as so weak they barely fit the title of upper moon

[supple thistle]

the thing is that there's explanation to the slayer marks, and it doesn't change that they're still human, they still have to fight as humans

it also comes with a cost

[heady crown]

A cost so big it removes almost all of their life, I feel like that puts them somewhat above the title of “human”

[supple thistle]

well slayer marks are likely a blessing from the gods or some sort but it's irrelevant

theyre still human, but they're given what's necessary specifically to kill demons

they get better at what they've been training to do, along with being able to see the inner workings of said demons

[heady crown]

That goes along with the inconsistencies of the story, at least imo. Nobody knows why slayer marks are just given, nobody understands why blades turn red when you “give it enough grip”, and nobody knows why demons somehow gain mystical abilities from blood

I like the anime for its flashiness and very good animation, but I get why people say the story doesn’t make sense

[supple thistle]

I understand why too, and nobody is here claiming that it all makes sense, my point is really why things are the way they are

my issue with the elements specifically is because they'd really be no difference in them and the demons

both narratively and in context of the combat

I'm fine with things like the slayer mark because it doesn't fundamentally change how they operate, it improves what they have already practiced before, while still holding it's own disadvantages

even with marks, slayers are still in disadvantage generally, especially against most of the upper moons, but it gives them the push to finish things off

[supple thistle]

and things like this don't really matter to me, knowing how gripping a sword makes it red wouldn't change anything about the story, or knowing how demons work with blood specifically

[green ether]

manaketoh You’ve Reached Level 10

[supple thistle]

they'd be cool to expand on, but it's not something that impacts the story in any meaningful way

it's like knowing the name of yuji's domain expansion
itd be cool to know
though it wouldn't really matter if we did

I like the story for it's characters and what they stand for, it's what makes the story for me, personally.

[charred halo]

this was actually stated officially in the manga: the slayers’ insanely strong grip squeezes the sword’s handle, cutting off blood flow to the blade and causing it to suffocate, thus turning red

as for the demons and how they work with blood: they don’t. It was revealed at the end of the manga that zenitsu had been suffering from schizophrenia, causing him to imagine demons as well as the other demon slayers. The whole demon slayer series was actually zenitsu’s imagination. This is why he becomes stronger when asleep, because his consciousness is no longer trying to “pull” him out of the hallucinations, allowing him to be fully immersed. The other times when he’s freaking out, it’s actually him trying to latch onto reality.

[supple thistle]

true

[heady crown]

https://tenor.com/view/domain-expansion-yuji-gif-12920209785091749454

[supple thistle]

true

[honest minnow]

when was this arc again

lmao

[charred halo]

the red sword was explained during the infinity castle arc when obanai activated his red sword.

zenitsu's schizophrenia was revealed at the end of the story after the timeskip, where his descendants read through zenitsu's personal diary that also recorded all of his visits to a mental health clinic (not many were able to catch this detail)

[rare ore]

I can’t tell if you are joking or not cause it’s kinda obvious that the Zenitsu diary wasn’t what happened

[charred halo]

im not joking

the reason nichirin blades can suffocate and turn red from a tight grip is because all the energy absorbed from the sun is stored in the handle. By squeezing the handle too hard the blade of the sword basically cannot breathe.

(yes i was joking)

[supple thistle]

all in jest

[pure pawn]

Ah yes, the demon slayer logic, humans cannot do elemental stuff cause it wouldn't be realistic, however they can suffocate their swords from their sun energy to make the sword stronger

[heady crown]

Let’s not forget they can also conjure marks to give them boosted physical stats AND see through organisms with enough focus

But no let’s not give them fire that comes off their sword and make it only visuals

[pure pawn]

Oh yeah, but sword spins with magic are too weird

Cause fancy spinning can totally kill all-powerful demons

[heady crown]

Demons that can regenerate instantly, use mystical abilities, have infinite stamina, and can only die by being beheaded but doesn’t apply to half the uppermoons

[pure pawn]

But fancy powers for humans are too unrealistic (except for having a powerup state and having magical swords)

[heady crown]

When I learned that the elements were fake I was so disappointed

Cuz now when I watch it that’s all I think of

[pure pawn]

Surprised it took you that long to be disappointed

[heady crown]

Eh, the show imo isn’t as terrible as people say it is, but I’m definitely upset that it could’ve been a lot better and pretty easily at that

[pure pawn]

If you're just there for fights, it's decent

Otherwise the story genuinely sucks

[heady crown]

Yes

But can’t lie I will be seeing the movies in theater

[pure pawn]

I won't, I'll just be informing all the ds bandwagons when they speak about it here

Teaching them the error of their ways for overhyping a beyond mediocre story

[heady crown]

Lots of people who watch demon slayer are already aware of how bad it is. The movie will show the best fights of the show with even better animation so why not go see it with some friends 🤷‍♂️

Again I’m not watching cuz of story, I’m watching cuz of the fights

[pure pawn]

Most people in here who like it are blindly praising it and calling it peak all around

[heady crown]

It is DEFINITELY not peak 😭

Vagabond is

[pure pawn]

Vinland Saga >

Or if you want genuine story, read one piece until you're caught up, since they are working on the pacing issues via the anime break

Anime is where the bulk of pacing issues come from

[heady crown]

I would watch one piece but I don’t like skipping over episodes and it’d take me a long damn time

And that’s time I don’t have unfortunately

[pure pawn]

What I did was skim each episode until wano

But a better decision is to read the manga

For the early anime, only like 2/3rds of a chapter would be converted into an episode at a time

Combined with the intentional animation stalling and all, but that was all due to the anime producing faster than the manga

Rn they are working on reanimating fishman island with good pacing and such, it's much much better

The manga is all the actual canon content though, a lot of anime stuff is not 100% official

You can also watch recap videos on youtube of each arc

I would advise actually watching it though, or watching the "xyz arc minus filler" videos

The thing about one piece is even the small details can be relevant, due to how thorough the world building and character development is

[heady crown]

I’ll check them out. One time during break at work I checked out a video talking about all the “foreshadowing” of it and it’s a lot

[pure pawn]

Basically everything ties back somehow, that's the appeal, it has a very flushed out story

[heady crown]

It would make sense to be flushed out after being out for so long

I think that’s another reason why ds isn’t that good

It was rushed because the author was sick

[pure pawn]

Ds was rushed and poorly world built

With poor character writing

The mc is just another generic mc, not even that compelling

[heady crown]

I think that Gyutaro and Daki, maybe even Akaza, was the best written

But to me a lot of characters were just forgettable

Like Gyokko

[pure pawn]

Akaza was just a dude who liked to fight

[pure pawn]

Had a reused backstory, he and rui were almost copy and pasted

[heady crown]

We didn’t even get a gyokko backstory bro

For whatever reason

[pure pawn]

Almost every single character is a static 2d character

Nothing thorough, no good development

Aside from "disliked tanjiro cause sister is demon" to "oh yeah he's the chosen one, help him"

Aka, generic

[heady crown]

I definitely agree it’s a terrible story but I do think some characters were well flushed out. But that’s fine for an anime that’s got good fights and animation to compliment it

Sometimes you just wanna watch demons die

🤷‍♂️

[pure pawn]

Go watch db for fights

[heady crown]

Maybe

Jjk has good fights

Dragonball is good but I don’t care for its power system

[pure pawn]

Bleach has good fights

Lots of animes have better fights than ds, they just have a weaker animation budget/studio

[heady crown]

Nah bleach animation and jjk surpasses ds

Demon slayer is vibrant and smooth but it’s not the absolute best

[pure pawn]

I was implying other animes, mb

Lesser known animes

[heady crown]

No I got what you were saying I’m saying that a lot of people confuse what makes good animation

A few years ago I took an animation class for maybe two years and learned a thing or two

[pure pawn]

If I'm being honest, ds makes me feel like I'm watching one of those action movies where the camera changes every 3 seconds of a fight

And it can get annoying to track

I hate when shows/movies do that crap

[heady crown]

Personally I’ve never ran into that problem but it’s also a bit annoying watching Tanjiro kinda just lock in for like 5 mins and then suck again

But that’s more a story issue not animation

[rare ore]

🔥

[supple thistle]

tanjiro is basic but he's still a good mc imo

there are issues with the story but obviously for most people they aren't big enough to hamper people's enjoyment of it

[supple thistle]

I used to be bothered by it as well, but I grew to like the fact that they aren't tangible
if they were then it'd pretty much change entirely how they fight

slayers are superhuman and have supernatural things like the mark to give them more of an edge against supernatural opponents
can get not liking it but in all honesty it fits the narrative and it works more thematically

and flat character arcs aren't necessarily a bad thing either, and they're simple and do what they set out to do well, characters don't really need to be deep and fully fleshed out for people to greatly enjoy what was there

[charred halo]

how does waterfall basin work tho

it’s a downward vertical slash

but it can hit things behind

is this one of demon slayer’s many unanswered mysteries

[supple thistle]

is there an example of it hitting behind

[charred halo]

when daki encased him in her things

[supple thistle]

can't find what you're talking abt

maybe I'm missing it

[charred halo]

gyutaro was fondling one of uzui’s women

daki used her material to create a dome around uzui and tanjiro

tanjiro used waterfall basin and broke out immediately

[heady crown]

Fondling is a… strong word

He kinda just grabbed her

[charred halo]

same thing

[supple thistle]

are you referring to when she shot the kunai at him

[charred halo]

i honestly have no idea

[supple thistle]

cus I just read the the entire fight and I don't see a single use of waterfall basin

best i can assume

[charred halo]

anime showed it

[supple thistle]

if u could show me an clip that would be cool

plus, the anime generally exaggerates the feats shown in the manga

mostly just cus its cool, don't rlly have a problem with that imo

a specific case I think about is how they make zenitsu literally fly around in the anime

when in the manga at best he's just jumping from rooftop to rooftop

honestly it could've been just one rooftop

and the fact that zenitsu afaik has always used a surface to propel himself because his sword techniques heavily rely on his legs

[charred halo]

hear me out

it’s all schizophrenia

none of demon slayer actually happened

[supple thistle]

sure

[pure pawn]

I never said yall cannot enjoy garbage, I am just stating that garbage is garbage

Demon slayer as a story is not good, it is below average despite being as generic as can be

[supple thistle]

free to think that

[pure pawn]

I have explained why with genuine logically reasoning, the only solid counterargument I have recieved from you is "it's not that bad, it's meant to be enjoyed"

Which does not refute any of my statements

[supple thistle]

do you really care that much?

i say theres issues with it but most of the issues don't bother me enough to hurt my enjoyment of the story

[pure pawn]

You keep claiming it is good, I want you to explain how with actual reasoning, not just "I still like it"

[supple thistle]

yeah, it does good things, you dont have to agree with me either for it to be good
like i can say tanjiro is a good character, doesnt mean that i can "logically" prove that he is, because it's a subjective value

[pure pawn]

There are actual ways to determine if a story is well written or a character is good

[supple thistle]

the fact u feel a need to justify yourself so much over what someone else thinks of some media is kinda sad imo

[pure pawn]

People can like said things without them being good

I just want a discussion

Rather than a "nah it's not bad but I won't explain why"

[supple thistle]

i mean if you could read you'd have my stance on why it's not that bad, ive already made that point

[pure pawn]

Everybody claims I am wrong when I give reasoning for why ds is not good and then they don't actually give reasoning as to why

[pure pawn]

Your point you have made is that it's not that bad as it is still enjoyable

[supple thistle]

yeah, and the good things are what makes it enjoyable

[pure pawn]

No, because there are next to no good things about the story if you actually look at it in a manner of rating it

[supple thistle]

purely hyperbolic

[pure pawn]

People are able to like garbage, look at blox fruits, people liking something does not mean it is due to it being good

From a story standpoint, demon slayer is not even average

The mc is brutally generic, and has little to no character development

The villains and side characters are the same

It feels as though there is no progress besides stereotypical shonen powerups when the mc is losing

The power system is poorly explained and inconsistent for what is explained

The world building is insanely lazy

[supple thistle]

tanjiro being basic isnt something that harms his character, nor is his flat character arc
there's not much about him that needed to change character wise for the story to work

[pure pawn]

Because it is an extremely basic copy and paste story

The only appeal of demon slayer is the combat

Other than that, 90% of other shonen mangas will give you the same story

[supple thistle]

i find the characters part of that appeal
i also enjoy demon slayer's execution of the story
it isn't perfect, but it's good enough to where i'm a fan of it

[pure pawn]

They don't really even execute a story beyond a basic revenge path

"Bad guys are bad for the hell of it, mc family gets killed by bbeg and so he goes down a training path for revenge, training under a former legend, has this unique power which next to nobody else has ever had"

It's generic, overused, and ds impliments it poorly

[supple thistle]

i mean if you choose to look at it that way sure, you can really make it however youd like to see it
i see demon slayer as a story of humanity itself
you can really make anything sound ass when you reduce it to its most simple parts

[pure pawn]

I'm not even reducing it to simple parts, I'm summarizing the story, because that is really all there is to it

It's a reskin anime that got lucky

[supple thistle]

is that an issue?
many stories follow that formula
people just enjoy demon slayer's presentation

[pure pawn]

I'm still waiting for actual reasoning as to why it is good beyond "I like it"

[pure pawn]

People enjoy ds due to the studio that took it, not the story

[supple thistle]

doesnt really apply to me

pretty sure it's the same for people who enjoyed it before it was adapted and enjoyed parts before they were adapted

[pure pawn]

A majority of the latter only read it to get ahead of the anime due to the slower production rate

Sorry for the late response, getting ready to go do some ice skating

[supple thistle]

i enjoy the art, i enjoy how some characters are written
specifically tanjiro, despite him being simple i like him because he's a character who shows to me what it means to be good, he' shows what i value in a character

[pure pawn]

Reheating some coffee

[supple thistle]

its fine

[supple thistle]

i did that as well, but i ended up anjoying the manga itself, not just for getting ahead

[pure pawn]

There are many characters that can depict good in many different ways, tanjiro is basically just thrown in as the picture perfect child that every parent wishes for

[supple thistle]

people get ahead because they want to know whts happening next

[pure pawn]

You are one of few who actually enjoyed the manga

[supple thistle]

it depends, i enjoy tanjiro's character more out of what i have consumed
yes, tanjiro is a golden child
he basically always tries to do good no matter what

[pure pawn]

The issue is it makes him the most predictable and bland in a lot of scenarios due to that

You are not guessing what he might do, you are rarely surprised by his actions

I have a similar issue with horror movies, they are unbelievably predictable

[supple thistle]

i like that he still chooses to act just despite the circumstances he's in
he's an example of what is truly good, and i enjoy that

tanjiro being predictable isnt really an issue for me, in fact i expect him to show is best character wise when he's against someone who opposes him

[pure pawn]

He can be good without being predictable

[supple thistle]

i love how he bounces off both akaza and muzan specifically

[dense drift]

Can't you just leave demon slayer alone, what did it do to you?

[supple thistle]

really depends on your definition of good tbh

but thats a different topic

[pure pawn]

Good doesn't have to be picture perfect, always a nice guy, there is variation

D&D does good vs evil well

[supple thistle]

there's a difference between being good and being nice

[pure pawn]

That's correct, my intended meaning there was Tanjiro is too good/nice to the point that his actions that are done for that reason feel very, eh

There isn't much suspense to what he will do, or excitement because he broke through a difficult decision

There is little build up

[supple thistle]

i believe there is, especially when he is up against akaza and muzan respectively
it's just something present through the story

against them he makes his most clear stances

both of those stances have been developed as he's gone through the things he's dealt with

[pure pawn]

I am going to need to go for a bit in order to drive, as well as I'll ve ice skating right after

[pure pawn]

They both felt very expected to me

I'll be back later, ping me if you need me

[supple thistle]

i expected them, but i still loved it nonetheless
it's just part of what i value in a character

and sure thing

[lethal bison]

I wish flame breathing can do burn damage 😊

[strange sinew]

Dont they strike it in a way which makes the demon feel like they r burning

Like when tanjiro fought upper 4 w sun breathing sp it was harder for him to regenerate

[heady crown]

Headcanon that more strength causes so much friction between slashes it feels as if it’s burning

[strange sinew]

Yh

[uneven geyser]

Making flame do burn damage isnt practical unless u intend to make all breathings have status effects

It would just make flame breathing the objectively better option since it does extra damage and choosing to nerf it will just make it objectively bad compared to the others

[winged quarry]

It sounds rediculous but i'm fairly sure something about rengoku's body temp or sum shyt idk heats up the sword to make it scald enemies

[pure pawn]

Ah yes, but humans actually having magic elements is too unrealistic for a story about fighting demons w8th super powers

[winged quarry]

its anime

[pure pawn]

I'm making fun of the anime for being poorly written and dumb

the reason that they cannot use actual elements with their swords is that is it supposedly unrealistic, by the explanation of most people, and yet all those other aspects are far more unrealistic and make it more stupid

[jaunty narwhal]

I don't care what anyone says the effects are real

[slim flume]

Nah bro don’t butcher my main😭🙏

Flame breathing is really unique already with it’s fast paced skills and comboes

It does not need to rely on burning damage

[honest minnow]

All the styles are mashy in my experience

Unless youre not bad pretty much

[crimson forum]

The effects are there as it is stated in the chapter "It looks that way to people watching" meaning when you watch its as if they are indeed producing the element (but they actually arent) , i personally think that flame causing burn damage is fine for gameplay, but in practice the only breathing that should have a damage over time is insect and only to demons

I think the game could seperate itself from other demon slayer games and not simply go the route of add burn to flame since thats been done to many times personally i think it should just hit harder than most as most of its attacks are big overheads etc

still though opting for realism in a demon slayer game is already asking for a lot since the entire theme isnt very realistic

[pure pawn]

The game is demon slayer inspired, we have no need to follow the ds lore accurately, as that just spells failure due to the inconsistency and the flaws in the story's writing

[crimson forum]

True

[rare ore]

What I find interesting is at the end of one of the chapters it states that Murata has water breathing but is too weak for it to appear

So wouldn’t that mean that the effects do show 🤔

[pure pawn]

Further proof of poor writing

[crimson forum]

the argument is the effects show but dont actually act as elements and are more visual, i.e water breathing doesnt actually produce water and make the enemy drenched in water

or fire doesnt make the enemy burn

[rare ore]

I mean that would make a lot more sense

[rare ore]

Wish the writing was a bit better for it tho

[remote kiln]

yorrichi left the mark on muzan looks like a burn mark

[green ether]

salem237838 You’ve Reached Level 1

[crimson forum]

This is because red nichirin actually is a hot blade

[pure pawn]

Ah yes, but they can't have special powers because that isn't realistic

[dreamy maple]

if u want realism js imagine flame breathing users use swords that are prone to mass ammounts of friction which inevitably cause burn when slashing 👍

[icy rampart]

I agree that the effects are just magestlicnest in swordsmanship in reality but let us enjoy the beauty of the anime

[lusty pivot]

demonfall is fried now

[winter loom]

The game is never coming out

[median zephyr]

There is currently no release date for Hinokami. #❓│faq

[icy rampart]

its probally fake

they should have hired new staff

[honest minnow]

mk where do they get the money from

[heady crown]

You have been in this server for about 6 days bro.

[icy rampart]

New acc

I lost everything

[honest minnow]

oh no so youve been here a while and thats still what you think

thats even worse

[glass niche]

Bro be patient