Moon Breathing

[snow heart]

Don’t do what demon fall didn’t and combine his long sword breath styles with his regular ones. Instead make 2 different styles for Moon breathing or make the other one a mastery

[pulsar bobcat]

Moon breathing is not going to be public

[snow heart]

?

[pulsar bobcat]

Moon is not going to be public, like I said

Same goes for dun

Sun*

[snow heart]

Like not released? Elaborate

[fast arrow]

There is currently no release date for Hinokami. #❓│faq

[pulsar bobcat]

They will not be publicly obtainable, they will be exclusive for players who earn them via community events

[snow heart]

That’s gay

[dire venture]

No one wants to only fight moon breathers

[pulsar bobcat]

Not sure why you're using that like being gay is bad, plus there are lots of reasons behind the decision

Games that have sun/moon public do it for attention, nearly every player uses one or the other, and it results in 0 variation

They tend to have it unbalanced, and when they make it balanced kids gripe and whine about it not being better than other things

Plus the devs don't have to add it as a public thing if they don't want to

It isn't a specifically demon slayer game, it has elements inspired by ds, but it isn't a demon slayer game

If it was a ds game, it'd be ass

[ashen cedar]

Using gay in a demeaning way is wild

[snow heart]

💀

[wanton nova]

lilkarieandkairetonice You’ve Reached Level 1

[snow heart]

I got jumped

[snow heart]

Yeah but the devs can make it harder to obtain and less op

[snow heart]

🤷

[snow heart]

Yeah but still I personally would want to see it in da game

[pulsar bobcat]

It is in the game, but not public

[pulsar bobcat]

Harder to obtain means nothing anymore lol, all the tutorials that'd be released and the longevity planned for the game

"Hard to obtain" won't matter, everyone will still just use sun/moon

[snow heart]

Buy Dey Dnt gotta make it op is what I’m saying lol

[pulsar bobcat]

even if it isn't op, everyone will use it

that is why we are not making them public, we want variety, not kids using sun/moon for the fact it is sun/moon

[ashen cedar]

It IS hard to obtain

[pulsar bobcat]

it's just managed for how many people can obtain it and what the methods are, rather than every player having access to them

[ashen cedar]

Pretty much

And even student moon isnt like insanely broken or anything

Just a mu check

[dire venture]

People would still go moon cause it’s moon breathing

Same problem I have with demonfall

[drowsy sable]

I can’t take hearing another person talking or bitching about moon again. Like where’s the sun lovers at??

[dire venture]

I’m just saying moon as in example cause of the suggestion

I fw sun too

[drowsy sable]

I didn’t mean you specifically I meant the person you replied too

[snow heart]

Sooo y u couldn’t reply to me + I’m not bitching about anything lil bro I was suggesting tha they would 2 versions of moon breathing 🤦‍♂️

[drowsy sable]

Didn’t mention you were bitching I said talking AND bitching. Not everything is about you bro. This is a trash suggestion made thousands of times. That’s my ultimate point

Plus didn’t you say “That’s gay” when the dev said this wasn’t a good idea?

Sounds like bitching

[snow heart]

Its not lol I don’t want a bunch of randoms forms put into one style + A demon slayer inspired game without moon breathing is gay

[snow heart]

*too

[drowsy sable]

So you’re gonna call me “lil bro” but you still call things gay when they don’t go your way? Grow up before you start beef with other people. Plus the dev didn’t even say moon wasn’t gonna be in the game, he said you have to earn it in community events.

At least learn to read a little

[dire venture]

Ok well it does have moon just not everyone can use it

Which is more cannon and realistic

[snow heart]

At least learn how to use proper grammar + I met so many teen/adults use the term “gay” like how I used it and u minus well not add the style if it’s only obtainable through community events

[snow heart]

And ur grammar is ass so let’s not go there

[dire venture]

Well shit not everyone’s grammar is gonna be good it’s really not that deep

[snow heart]

Ik but did kokushibo learned how to use Moon breathing through community events

[wanton nova]

lilkarieandkairetonice You’ve Reached Level 2

[dire venture]

Ok well it’s a game ofc things will get changed

[snow heart]

True

[drowsy sable]

Is the game lore accurate? No. It doesn’t take a genius to know that all you have to do is look through other posts and see those same answers. By the way nothing is wrong with my grammar, you just can’t think of anything else to say to me because you got washed in this argument.

[drowsy sable]

Some people just don’t understand that apparently 😔

[snow heart]

Ok lil bro I’m not finna argue wit some kid

[drowsy sable]

I’m not even a kid that’s the crazy part. But yeah you aren’t worth my time anymore because you clearly don’t understand anything anyone is telling you

Go ahead and leave now

[snow heart]

Omg jus put the fries in the bag

[drowsy sable]

Didn’t realize I was arguing with a ten year old. And by the way when I say I’m not a kid it doesn’t mean I’m an adult but I’m definitely older than you apparently. You still say “put the fries in the bag” 😭😭

[snow heart]

*said. Ur proving my point + 18+ still use that term sir

[drowsy sable]

Proving your point about grammar? You’re still on that? Who cares, I’m messaging someone on discord not writing an essay for school. You clearly lost in this argument and now u have nothing better to say than make fun of grammar. Just leave already like you said you would

[dire venture]

This is mad funny to watch 😭

[drowsy sable]

You are not worth the time anymore

[snow heart]

Holy yap I’m not reading allat

[drowsy sable]

This 10 year old kid thinks he’s really doing something

He won’t ever leave

[snow heart]

10 is crazy

[dire venture]

Something about grammar and how you lost this argument

[snow heart]

lol

[drowsy sable]

Pretty much yeah

[ashen cedar]

Let me put this one in terms you can understand

Just because other people do it doesnt make it okay

Its still a derogatory way of using it

If someone else jumps off a bridge are you going to jump off with them?

[snow heart]

Bro stfu

It’s over

[ashen cedar]

Also you can't go at someone for grammar and then immediately mess up your own lmao

It takes all the wind out of your sails

[snow heart]

Bro

Idgaf

Shush

[ashen cedar]

Alright have a good day goofball

[snow heart]

Shhhhhhhh

[ashen cedar]

Man it's like you try to be as obnoxious as possible you just won't stop after wanting me to cut it out

But go ahead be the one to send the last message

[drowsy sable]

I appreciate you backing this up a bit but leave it alone. He clearly did not win the argument and is some little kid who wants attention. Better off that you leave it be

[ashen cedar]

I get that but they're too obnoxious to not say anything

Sorry lmao

[drowsy sable]

It doesn’t matter but some ppl don’t understand certain things so it’s like arguing with a brick wall. He’ll probably wanna get the last word in so just leave it alone afterwards

[dire venture]

No way yall are still on this

[drowsy sable]

I’m telling him to leave it alone? And plus you were never apart of it anyway so idk what ur still doing here

[snow heart]

I’m not a kid lol

[pulsar bobcat]

"Oh no, the devs making the game how they want to with the content they want to be added rather than adding things just to gain attention"

They don't want to see five thousand moon breathers and sun breathers

[snow heart]

Jus suggesting sir

[pulsar bobcat]

It's their game, if you want public sun/moon, make your own game

[wanton nova]

lilkarieandkairetonice You’ve Reached Level 3

[pulsar bobcat]

Suggesting when the devs have already stated tons of times that they won't be public, and yet you still continue to gripe and complain over it

It's their game, not your's

[snow heart]

Onb

[pulsar bobcat]

If you want a ds game ruined by sun/moon, play demon fall

Or wisteria, or 95% of ds games

[snow heart]

They can always change there mind sir 😞

Jus suggesting

[pulsar bobcat]

They won't

[snow heart]

U may never know

[pulsar bobcat]

They've been set on non-public sun and moon since before this game even started getting made bud

Rpg2 had non-public, I think rpg1 had non-public

[snow heart]

Nah fr?

[pulsar bobcat]

It's part of what makes them good

The devs make these games for quality, not attention

[drifting cedar]

what happened here 💀

[sacred current]

https://tenor.com/view/moonblast-gif-26797890

[hallow lintel]

moon could work

just gotta balance it

[dire venture]

I’m like not even
Gonna say why they aren’t adding it to the public again 😭

[hallow lintel]

yea they just don't want them to be

[dire venture]

Also it makes the variety not fun

Cause everyone would want to use sun or moon just cause it’s sun and moon and they want to be like Tanjiro

Kinda like what happened to demonfall

[drowsy sable]

I’ve never realized it until after playing it again but demonfall is so ass 😭

[dire venture]

Fr

Like when it came out it was cool cause it was unique but it fell off hard

[snow heart]

Onb

[hallow lintel]

cus they made a popular thing broken

all they had to do was not powercreep

[pulsar bobcat]

And games that don't do that still suck because they have 0 variety

[dire venture]

Not just that but there was no variety people go sun and moon cause it’s sun and moon leaving all the other breathings worthless

[pulsar bobcat]

Even if they suck, most people will use them, and then people will gripe over them not being better

[hallow lintel]

that's where good game design comes into play

[ashen cedar]

dsms in a nutshell

except sun was awful compared to moon

[pulsar bobcat]

Every game that adds sun/moon, even if they are not good, sees a majority of players using those two things

[hallow lintel]

it's gonna be popular at first but when you're not focused on making sun and moon the best things in the game, you're able to design them properly with other movesets

people who don't like them won't use them

[pulsar bobcat]

And people will still only use them because they are cool in the ds universe

[dire venture]

Problem is that practically everyone likes sun and moon regardless of how good or bad they are

[pulsar bobcat]

Popularity is rarely based on quality

[hallow lintel]

no, not really
if anything there's examples of it

[pulsar bobcat]

Hence why demon slayer is even popular

It's ass but cool

Moon/sun are not being added because we want to see a variety of breathings being used, not 85% of players being moon/sun

The decision has been made for years

[hallow lintel]

that's fine, I'm just saying it's not a well thought out reason

[pulsar bobcat]

It is plenty thought out lol

They want variety, not koku/yoriichi wannabes taking over

There is no rule saying they have to add moon/sun

[ashen cedar]

id like to point out its also just asking for cringe

the kokushibou and yoriichi rpers

[dire venture]

Not hating but I’m curious what you would think would be better

[hallow lintel]

it all lies in how you design it's obtainment and the moveset itself
if you look at any rpg where sun or moon is obtainable they all have the same issues

[pulsar bobcat]

"Make it balanced" people will still almost exclusively use the two of them

[pulsar bobcat]

Obtainment doesn't mean anything in a game intended to last years

[hallow lintel]

I'll let you think that

[pulsar bobcat]

Everybody will be able to follow a tutorial and get it easily lol

Tiktok tutorials will be through the roof and it won't change anything

[hallow lintel]

following a tutorial doesn't stop you from making a good quest that's well designed

what kind of excuse is that

[pulsar bobcat]

Again, they don't want to see lots of moon and sun users

That is the point

That is why they are locked behind community engagement to obtain

Rather than just being a quest

They want variety, not everyone using those two things

[hallow lintel]

that's fine, they simply don't want it to be openly accessible
I'm just saying the reasoning you're giving doesn't really make sense

[pulsar bobcat]

It makes plenty of sense?

[hallow lintel]

sure at face value it does

[pulsar bobcat]

They want a variety of usage in their playerbase

Every game that has public sun/moon faces the issue of everybody trying to use it

[hallow lintel]

but when you actually think about why those issues come up, the issue isn't just sun/moon

[pulsar bobcat]

Rather than having a fairly equal spread

[hallow lintel]

being popular

[pulsar bobcat]

[dire venture]

💀

[ashen cedar]

are awful to listen to

[pulsar bobcat]

Genuinely about to start closing every sun/moon suggestion that pops up so I don't have to explain this every three days

And have people try to tell the devs that they are more/less "making the game wrong" by not doing public sun and moon

Sun and moon are not going to be public, for both logical reasons, and the fact that the owner DOESN'T WANT TO MAKE IT PUBLIC

[hallow lintel]

people who won't like using sun or moon won't use them
theyre going to be popular, but people who can't even enjoy what they're using simply will use the things they actually like

and nobody's saying the devs are making the game wrong, I'm just saying the reasons you're giving doesn't really add up

[dire venture]

[hallow lintel]

it's a thing you have to handle with care if made public, is what I'm saying

[pulsar bobcat]

Clearly you haven't played very many videogames if you believe that initial statement

People will use it to be cool, or cause everyone else does, or because of the characters in the anime

[dire venture]

To be fair it’s not like they aren’t adding it, you just have to work for it and have a low chance on getting it

[pulsar bobcat]

People will look up tutorials, see 9/10 youtubers using them

And go use them and copy playstyles

That is how it works, your logic makes sense in a vacuum, but not when put to practice

Put into practice, even if it is something they don't enjoy, most of the time they'll still use it

[hallow lintel]

I have, there are popular characters that people love, but if they can't use them we'll, they won't use it

my logic is what's been put into practice, because it's literally just the basis of any game with a popular ip or set of characters

[pulsar bobcat]

People still tend to play characters they don't like purely because they are meta

And there are so many people using it that guides are everywhere

And it makes it easy to pick up due to the amount of guides

[hallow lintel]

then that issue lies with what the meta is , ex. how the game is designed

[pulsar bobcat]

Like I said, in a vacuum, sure, your argument makes sense

[pulsar bobcat]

[hallow lintel]

which is where it all comes back to

[pulsar bobcat]

When a game is completely balanced, the meta comes down to popularity

Sun and moon would be most popular due to the anime

And then there is 0 variety

Like I said, in a vacuum, your argument is logical

In practice, it is stupid

[hallow lintel]

let's be real the game will never be balanced

[pulsar bobcat]

Sun and moon are not going to be public

[pulsar bobcat]

Says who? The people who haven't played at all?

Or the people who have

The people who fight other skilled players? Or the people who fight sweats while being trash

[hallow lintel]

games with variations literally cannot be balanced perfectly
the issue I'm bringing up is that they'll all be different and since there are differences, there will always be a preferred difference
the best of these are decided as meta
things can be popular but not meta, vice versa

[pulsar bobcat]

Meta is popular, not good LOL

Meta doesn't mean it's the best, it means it is the most used

[hallow lintel]

do you even know what meta means

[pulsar bobcat]

Which tend to go hand and hand

[hallow lintel]

I think you're kinda..

[pulsar bobcat]

What is meta is not always what is best

It is what is most commonly used

[dire venture]

Meta is the most used cause it’s either the best or most popular

[pulsar bobcat]

That is how the term has been used for the past roughly 6 or more years

[hallow lintel]

meta is an acronym

[pulsar bobcat]

I know that is not the original meaning of the term

But it is the current usage

[hallow lintel]

it literally is

[pulsar bobcat]

Again, the term has meant most used for the past roughly 6 years, rather than it's original meaning

[hallow lintel]

Most
Efficient
Tactics
Available

that's meta
whats good is meta

[pulsar bobcat]

Again, that is no longer what the term is used for

The term meta has evolved overtime to refer to the most used things in the game

[hallow lintel]

if you think that then you just don't know what meta means

[pulsar bobcat]

Rather than the best

[hallow lintel]

ok and why are those things most used

just because they're popular?? lmao

[pulsar bobcat]

Because people see others do well with them and copy them

The most used things are not always the best

[hallow lintel]

that's called popularity, not meta exactly

[pulsar bobcat]

Have you even read anything I've said

Or are you just trying desperately to prove me wrong because I told you sun and moon will not be public

[hallow lintel]

I really don't care if they are or not, my point rn is that you just don't know what a word meant

[pulsar bobcat]

Cause I've got stuff to do at work and I cannot keep speaking to a wall that is outdated

[hallow lintel]

I enjoy discussion otherwise

[pulsar bobcat]

I've explained to you how the term has changed over time

It has turned into a term that is used to refer to the most used stuff

[hallow lintel]

it literally hasn't you can look these things up 😭

[pulsar bobcat]

Rather than specifically the best

[hallow lintel]

you're just kinda

[pulsar bobcat]

Have you been living under a rock?

[hallow lintel]

have you ever used a search engine

[pulsar bobcat]

If you're resorting to trying to imply stuff, you are clearly grasping at straws

[hallow lintel]

giving you a direct definition isn't much for grasping ngl

[pulsar bobcat]

Terms evolve overtime, especially when used as a form of slang

[pulsar bobcat]

Once more you didn't read what I said

[hallow lintel]

meta itself was already slang what are you on about

it's always been slang

[pulsar bobcat]

You are just strengthing what I said

Lol

[hallow lintel]

I read what you said, it just doesn't change that you're wrong about what was said, that simple

so I treat it as so

[pulsar bobcat]

The term has evolved from meaning what is strongest to meaning what is most used

That is how the term is used now

Has been for a while

[hallow lintel]

if you think that, then you're just getting the definition of what meta means, wrong
it's like a bunch of kids hearing a word but misunderstanding what it means

then asserting that they got it right

[pulsar bobcat]

Once more, have you been living under a rock? Cause this is how the word has genuinely been used for years

[hallow lintel]

it's been used for years for the same thing, yeah
there's a reason why meta things get popular
but not all popular things are meta

vice versa

[pulsar bobcat]

In gaming, the term meta has been used to refer to what is used the most, not what is the best, and has been for years

What is used most just tends to be what is best

[hallow lintel]

the neurons are finally clicking

[pulsar bobcat]

I've been telling you this the entire time bud

[hallow lintel]

so ask yourself why

are they most used

[pulsar bobcat]

[hallow lintel]

I said ask yourself

[pulsar bobcat]

Meta doesn't always refer to the best

Like I have been saying

[hallow lintel]

you should refer back to what meta means

[pulsar bobcat]

Once more, you haven't been reading what I've been saying

The term has evolved overtime and for years has meant most popular, not best

[hallow lintel]

.

[pulsar bobcat]

Not even good entertainment speaking with a brick wall

[hallow lintel]

yeah trying to argue for being wrong usually doesn't get you anywhere

[wanton nova]

manaketoh You’ve Reached Level 8

[hallow lintel]

awesome

[pulsar bobcat]

Again, the term is a slang term that has evolved from it's original meaning of what is best to the new meaning of what is most popular

[hallow lintel]

if you think that, again

you're just kinda..

[pulsar bobcat]

[hallow lintel]

Kids hearing a word and misunderstanding what it means

[pulsar bobcat]

It is a term that has adapted over time

And now means most popular

That is how the term is used now

[hallow lintel]

it doesn't
if you want, you should find more people that think that though

[pulsar bobcat]

[hallow lintel]

small bubble you must be in

[dire venture]

Yall are still at this 💀

[hallow lintel]

world with no google

[hallow lintel]

yea

[pulsar bobcat]

He isn't even reading what I've been saying

He's just been trying to imply things because he's too scared to actively say them

[hallow lintel]

.

[pulsar bobcat]

His entire reasoning is "google says it means this"

When I've been explaining that it has evolved from it's original meaning

As slang terms do

[hallow lintel]

if u think meta has ever meant popular then u just don't know what meta means

[pulsar bobcat]

[hallow lintel]

it's literally in the word itself

[pulsar bobcat]

[hallow lintel]

like the term hasn't even been around that long

[pulsar bobcat]

Actively speaking from experience, it has been used to refer to what is most popular for the previous 6+ years

Despite a lot of the time, said things not being the technical best

Usually some large youtuber just posts a video of themselves doing well and so people copy them

And that shifts the meta

Despite no update or stats that result in said shift

It shifts due to the popularity, not the quality

[hallow lintel]

if you have been thinking that for 6 years, then you are sadly mistaken

do you even think about why these things get popular or why they are called meta

[pulsar bobcat]

Did you read what I said

[hallow lintel]

they don't just happen because a youtuber showed it off
people use them because the youtuber said it's meta

[pulsar bobcat]

[hallow lintel]

people use them because they said it's good

and since it's good, it gets popular

[pulsar bobcat]

Once more did not read what was said

[hallow lintel]

I did, I'm just telling you that you can't think critically

[pulsar bobcat]

[hallow lintel]

metas shift because what people consider good changes

[pulsar bobcat]

Literally said, even though what gets called meta is not the best at all, it is just the most popular

[hallow lintel]

like gale in deepwoken has always been popular, but it definitely wasn't always considered meta

[pulsar bobcat]

They call it meta cause they see everyone using it, despite by your definition of the word, it isn't the most effective

[hallow lintel]

"my definition" you mean the definition

your definition is meta = popular

[pulsar bobcat]

That is the way the term is used now

That is how the term has evolved

[hallow lintel]

and again, if you think that

[pulsar bobcat]

[hallow lintel]

well you already know

[pulsar bobcat]

Quit trying to imply that you are saying filtered words or I'll just warn you for it

We're having a civil discussion, stop resorting to that junk

That is how a discussion becomes an argument

[hallow lintel]

can you point out these imaginary filtered words

[pulsar bobcat]

Once either party stops being level headed, it becomes an argument

[hallow lintel]

it's been pretty chill

[pulsar bobcat]

Despite you repeatedly implying filtered words

[hallow lintel]

like??

I asked if you could point one out for me

[pulsar bobcat]

And I could warn you here for attempting to get someone to break the rules/say filtered words

[hallow lintel]

LOL?

[pulsar bobcat]

If you can't be civil about things, don't get into discussions

[pulsar bobcat]

That's been a thing for a while

[hallow lintel]

if you're coming up with a blacklisted word that wasn't said then I think that would be on you

[pulsar bobcat]

Usually pops up when someone tells another person to ping a dev+

[hallow lintel]

what word am I telepathically communicating to you that you feel the need to warn for

[pulsar bobcat]

[hallow lintel]

genuine question fr

[pulsar bobcat]

That is not a genuine question, we both know it

And you're going to say it is to look better

[hallow lintel]

I'm just asking cus u seem to think to know something I don't

[pulsar bobcat]

I'm not new to the internet bud

[hallow lintel]

I'd be shocked

[pulsar bobcat]

I can tell when somebody is trying to imply certain things without saying them

It's very obvious in this scenario

[hallow lintel]

ok, what am I implying

[pulsar bobcat]

Anyways, I'm going to drive home from work now, roads are a bit slick

[pulsar bobcat]

Already explained this to you bud

[hallow lintel]

a blacklisted word?

I wasn't thinking of any in particular, I'm just wondering what imaginary word came to your mind

it's probably best to keep threats of warning to yourself until something close to warn worthy is already done, mod tip

otherwise in this situation, you could look kinda

silly

[umbral furnace]

stop trying to imply filtered words or get other people to say them

both of which are indeed warnable

baiting it is also warnable

has been for years

[hallow lintel]

there's no bait

quite literally nothing there, if you're thinking of that, then that is sincerely not my problem

no spoilers, either..

[pulsar bobcat]

the bait in question is trying to get somebody to say filtered words

that is a form of baiting into a warning

[hallow lintel]

and what word did I bait you into saying when there's literally no word there

lmao

[pulsar bobcat]

[hallow lintel]

like you're actually making words up in your mind rn

I mean, feel free to take it however you like, but it's no skin off my back

[wanton nova]

manaketoh has been warned

Reason: implying filtered words/arguing over staff decisions

[pulsar bobcat]

dang, bro got smacked with a warn

not sure why he didn't just leave it be when told to stop

[sacred current]

lol

[hallow lintel]

pff

[ashen cedar]

scout is actively trying to keep his sanity

goodluck, soldier 🫡

[lean parrot]

I really do want moon breathing and sun to be obtainable but seeing only those styles would be sad so it is good for the devs to make it event style but its sad too

[drifting cedar]

projecting much?

wait ts was in 2024 wtf

[sacred current]

Lock in poprings

[snow heart]

💀

Times changed gng

[drifting cedar]

yes

i realised

[drifting cedar]

zawg discord brought me to the top and made it look like it was a brand new convo

[ashen cedar]

Discord has an agenda sometimes

[fervent fractal]

So uh what events are gonna happen to get moon breathing

[wanton nova]

commonhas_sense You’ve Reached Level 4

[ashen cedar]

Community based, as in ranking up through tournaments and establishing yourself as either 1. An important member of the community or 2. Be one of the best players in the game or have the potential to be the best

So someone like upper moon 1 would take you in

And give you a watered down moon

[fervent fractal]

watered down moon?

is there different versions

[ashen cedar]

Yeah

Idk how hinokami will work

But dsrpg2

Had normal moon, which was insanely busted

Then there was student moon

Which was moon

But a lot less aoe and dmg

[pulsar bobcat]

E was fairly easy to parry and r was easy to block

[ashen cedar]

Yeah but put onto the standards of other breathings

It's a giant advantage

[pulsar bobcat]

It still wasn't that bad

I fought Dip and got him to red for example

[ashen cedar]

It could've been worse don't get me wrong

[pulsar bobcat]

All it took was a brain

And the only reason it did more damage at the degree it did was due to the level boost making them level 370

[ashen cedar]

Yeah the 70 level gap is a massive jump