Guild System???

[snow marsh]

Bro if this is an MMO of any capacity, it should have some kinda guild system. Guilds and guild events/competitions kinda keep games afloat for longer periods of time. I also believe integrating an official guild system can remove the annoyance of the inevitable "clans" that people will be making.

Also the name doesn't have to be "guilds", it can be anything that sounds fitting

Clans
Crews
Groups
Nations
Families
Brotherhoods
Syndicates
Houses
Leagues

I'm excluding teams/parties because I feel like that's a smaller system that requires much less commitment. Also dsrpg2 had parties/teams, so I am just assuming it'll work about the same with Hinokami

[vocal scroll]

Yes! Hopefully not the same censorship problem Arcane Odessey has tho

[velvet bane]

Those almost always result poorly with racist/bad team names being made

So unless we make presets they can pick from like having 3 categories of preset words, there will be a lot of manual moderation

[vocal scroll]

Is that perhaps why AO’s censorship is so insane

[velvet bane]

AO flopped for a lot of reasons, specifically that they didn't follow a good balancing/gameplay guide like the did in AA

They*

[vocal scroll]

And the fact Vetex takes like a year for a simple update

[snow marsh]

I've played too many MMOs to count, and I've rarely seen the names of guilds be a problem

I don't see why "bad" names would be a problem, unless it's intentionally trying to bypass censorships that are built into Roblox

There will 100% be cringe guilds

But that's not hurting anybody usually

[velvet bane]

The problem is the playerbase, give 10-15 y/os who will say dumb shit for attention the ability to make a name everyone can see

They'll make it weird somehow someway

Which just makes things a mess

There will definitely be people bypassing slurs and such if we try to do a custom group name system

[snow marsh]

That's fair. Then maybe I'm thinking too broad

Perhaps each last name can be part of a "family" (smaller and more controlled guild), and rather than bs pay2win stats, last names can serve as a way to give players a reason to team up with other names or other people with the same names???

[boreal sapphire]

Yo… I said the exact same thing in other suggestions and I got clowned for it

But if it was added as scout said people would bypass, so you’d really have to make it where not everyone can make one and only like people who actually use the discord for ranks and stuff

I don’t know, would have to be optimized at least.

[velvet bane]

Results in too many community "leaders" which can cause lots of drama and is a lot of people to manage as each leader would technically be needing to be held to a behavioral standard

Imagine a bunch of people being labeled as the leader of thousands of players just due to being the designated choice, and the theoretical power they think they'd gain from that

That'd abuse that clout so to speak and cause issues

[vocal scroll]

Who’d get clout from leading one clan 😭

[velvet bane]

it's a game of teenagers that will do anything for attention

[woven gull]

guilds arent a problem but its just gonna be wierd since we already have factions lol

[vocal scroll]

I feel highly unfortunate for any child thinking just because they Own “Sigma Clan” means they think they’re top shit

[boreal sapphire]

Maybe just like it’s a village thing instead of a guild where they have like a horse or something that takes them to the guild village

And it’s not really smaller factions inside a faction and it’s just a little thing with your friends

[woven gull]

dojos basically

iirc those were semi successful

[boreal sapphire]

Mhm

And it can be a interesting thing to add for friends I suppose

Just a random thought I had while I was in the shower and thinking abt this

[velvet bane]

aside from some of them making nsfw channels, some being severely racist, and at times being basically cult-like behavior

[woven gull]

yup

[snow marsh]

To be fair, and I'm not advocating for anything here... You can never control what goes on in other people's discord servers... So it's going to happen regardless, why not at least give the people who don't take part in the bs some way to organize themselves?

[snow marsh]

The factions are great, but I don't think I have to explain why guilds are different and can be tagged alongside factions (with WAY LESS influence on in game mechanics)

[velvet bane]

They can already do that, clans/guilds aren't needed to enable them to work together

Clans and guilds result in elitism, toxicity, people being jumped purely due to what others in their clan/guild did, etc

Whereas people can always just play with their friends in a party

There isn't much benefit to implimenting a guild system if we don't have either guild exclusive modes (which imo suck without very good implimentation) or other stuff of the like

[chrome merlin]

Why not just limit the max amount of people in a guild? Like have them small and the names selected from a bunch of pre selected words? Kinda like how arcane odyssey did with character names.

[vocal scroll]

hank_20 You’ve Reached Level 7

[snow marsh]

So I 100% that guild modes suck in every example I've seen

But I also think having competitive guilds keeps the game from getting stale. That said, since the game isn't even out yet, I doubt there is any worry about it getting stale any time soon. If anything, guilds can be a future thought once the play base has been established and the supreme toxicity is weeded out

[velvet bane]

that competitive aspect can still happen with and without guilds, plus we already have factions, I'm personally opposed to guilds just due to how I see them affect pvp focused games

[velvet bane]

already mentioned that

doesn't change the effects guilds can have on playerbase and toxicity

[snow marsh]

I personally think guilds can be really cool if done right, but I also agree that it should not be executed in a standard MMO fashion

[velvet bane]

Guilds are more beneficial in a pve sense and more harmful in a pvp sense

[vocal scroll]

I presume there’s no anti ganking mechanic? That would be one way to sorta counteract guilds thinking twice before jumping people

Kinda like revenge in For Honor if anyone knows what is?

[velvet bane]

I ran an anti-gank aramusha that could 1v5 better than it 1v1'd

[vocal scroll]

THATS FUCKING FACTS

starlightphoenix. You’ve Reached Level 13

Either it’s great for surviving ganks but bad at 1v1s

[velvet bane]

Shit was insane, I used armor perks to get buffs as long as I was on a dominion point and had people around me

I was entirely unkillable with more than 3 people

People would leave me to hold the point solo and they'd give up halfway through and go 5 stack the other main point