Make a Permanent Death event (PD)

[ocean onyx]

Make a pd event where you wipe if you die, cause if the game don't have it the game will have meaningless pvp.

If you make pd system, your game will be unique among the demon slayer games and it wont be a bandti beater
it will make your game not to die 1month after releasing trust me people like that shit.

[stuck oar]

definitelynotrinki You’ve Reached Level 1

[sterile blade]

lore accurate life

[gilded hedge]

bruh

[merry osprey]

How does adding a PD event make the game not a bandit beater

most stupid logic like ever

+didn’t humanity’s fate do smth like this

Or it was another one

[dim warren]

id rather have my progress be wiped by my own decision so nah

[stuck oar]

Bro just trynna make the game like deepwoken I ain't gonna grind my ass of a shit tone of times cuz some teamers come after me

[hard dragon]

L

[frank vigil]

oh hell naw

[frank vigil]

none of these things will happen if they add pd events

pd events have 0 point to them

" the game will stay alive, ur game won't be a bandit beater"

give me some of what you're on 😂

[steady sphinx]

Yeah, tbh when I cant have high stakes to lose all my progress after dying I get really upset and start thinking "Man, this game would be so much more fun if I had to grind to get where I'm at all over again."

[arctic canopy]

if this happens ppl will make groups for the sole purpose of killing other ppl 💀not fun

[neon basin]

but lowkey a permadeath GAMEMODE with cosmetic rewards wouldnt hurt

that way, both people who want permadeath and those who don't can be satisfied

[frank vigil]

how garbage

high stakes for cosmetic shit

permadeath isn't something that's only situational

[neon basin]

unless you want actual pvp buffs from a gamemode, which i dont think is a great idea

[frank vigil]

or maybe

don't have permadeath 😧

[proven whale]

"Bandit beater" is just an rpg game, and permadeath drives more players away than it attracts

There is already a way to wipe, but you cannot wipe or be wiped by others

[frank vigil]

bandit beater is linear progression

[proven whale]

Bandit beaters are just simple forms of rpg games

[frank vigil]

no

[proven whale]

Farming quests to level up repeatedly

That is how a lot of large rpg games work

[frank vigil]

that's linear progression

gud games have multiple ways to progress

[proven whale]

Never said they don't

[frank vigil]

u implied that rpg games are bandit beaters

[proven whale]

But most large rpg games have the fastest method being repeatedly farming quests

[frank vigil]

*said

[frank vigil]

which ones

[proven whale]

Because the majority of them are

[proven whale]

Neverwinter and WoW

Both have a lot of repeated farming of the same things

Warframe as well

Three of the largest MMORPGs

[frank vigil]

hm

idk

[frank vigil]

i guess

[mystic beacon]

This is not demon hunter bro lmao

[neon basin]

warframe's not even bandit beating anymore, just mass genocide

[proven whale]

People consider repeated farming for levels/loot to be bandit beating nowadays

[neon basin]

i know im joking

[proven whale]

Bandit genociding

[neon basin]

are there any good games on roblox now

[frank vigil]

depends

titan warfare's pretty nice

[neon basin]

i used to play titan warfare

[merry osprey]

same

I don’t remember anything from it tho

[frank vigil]

deepwoken's good

[neon basin]

im broke

[frank vigil]

5 bucks

[pastel wasp]

Nah bro

Thats gonna make the game die quicker imagine u have hella stuff and all ur stuff gets wiped 💀

[tiny pendant]

Bro is tryna make the game deep woken

[steady sphinx]

this is a horrible idea and was already addressed in faq

[fading wigeon]

SLAYERWOKEN RPG!!

[hot parrot]

imagine finally reaching level 85, you get your third breathing skill, you're having the time of your life and you're 50 hours into gameplay

bam

some guy just decides they want you dead for no reason because theres absolutely no reason to for progression

progress gone

thats how it feels to add permadeath to something like rpg 2

lol

[valid mountain]

never try to cook again

[broken sonnet]

W perma death people just trash

[merry osprey]

If that happened to me I’m 100% quitting

And a lot of others would do too

So 100% don’t add PD

[broken sonnet]

bros never touched deepwoken

[merry osprey]

I mean like for a game like this

Not for deep cuz deep is peak

[broken sonnet]

it wouldent make a difference

at least i think

[hot parrot]

this is what shinobi life 2 cc felt like

losing 40 levels in the blink of an eye

[merry osprey]

damn you played cc

lucky

[hot parrot]

i beta tested the game and was the first person to main the eight gates

[merry osprey]

I remember maining Obitos Sharingan

It was so sugma

[potent sun]

Perma death is fun

[frank vigil]

it can be

[frank vigil]

that isn't the reason permadeath's bad for this game though

permadeath isn't bad at all actually

[hot parrot]

ehh ive explained why its bad on another suggestion already im not gonna dig it up or write another rant on it

[frank vigil]

where

[hot parrot]

but long story short is that permadeath works because of the style of progression being different

[frank vigil]

where'd u rant about it

[hot parrot]

https://discord.com/channels/614185993469165578/1160669189552484450

[frank vigil]

alright

[hot parrot]

as I said there too

You don't like permadeath games, you like when permadeath games give you new chances to try new stuff

[frank vigil]

modular?

but yah

[hot parrot]

Things like how Deepwoken has cards and stats to level rather than doing a few quests to gain levels

[frank vigil]

if u want rpg3 to not have permadeath then that's your call to make

[hot parrot]

or how Rogue Lineage has reputation and you need a certain amount of invisible combat exp

[frank vigil]

how is that different

[hot parrot]

and when you already have that option to try new stuff open to the player, especially in a game with a quest and level based progression system, it'll become more frustrating because you'll have to do the same quests when you wipe

[hot parrot]

Because in a game where you're already given those chances to try new stuff, permadeath offers nothing more than frustration

the difference is the choice to try new things

[frank vigil]

well yeah deepwoken's build making is centered around permadeath

[hot parrot]

it's someone killing you and being forced to make a new build, vs you doing it out of your own free will

[hot parrot]

and ours isn't so adding it isnt ideal

[frank vigil]

no

[hot parrot]

it's not something you can casually throw in, is what im saying

[frank vigil]

let me read what you said though

[hot parrot]

Bro, if GPO or something had permadeath, I doubt people would be playing it lol

but the reason why GPO

battle royale

I think it worked so well is because it had that same "try new things" aspect but you didnt have the same pains of progression

[frank vigil]

accidently sent when i wasn't done mb

[frank vigil]

permadeath games force diversity upon you though, it's far more appealing to most players to make a different build knowing that you now have a clean sheet and there're no traces of your last build even existing. And even if you try to replicate your last build it'll never be 100% identical taking into consideration all the different things that contribute to build diversity (for deepwoken this would be: oaths, stats, bells,murmurs, etc.)

[frank vigil]

permadeath can be frustrating depending on the person, i do agree with what you said about repeating quests in order to progress, permadeath games need a ton of variety in the ways that you can progress

[hot parrot]

Yes, but as I stated that's if your game was designed to already support that big of a build diversity

but if you're doing quests and you already have a predefined moveset, then it's not as interesting

[frank vigil]

i wasn't talking about hinokami in particular

just about permadeath games

[hot parrot]

Ah, yeah

no I agree with that

[frank vigil]

elaborate

[hot parrot]

Basically, as I've stated people don't like the concept of permadeath itself, but the concept that Permadeath lets them try something new, aka lets them have more choices

and you've said that too, and I agree with it

[frank vigil]

yea

[hot parrot]

but if your progression system isn't set to support a roguelike style of randomizing your moveset, then Permadeath doesn't really offer that much more choice

[frank vigil]

yea ofc, that's one of the reasons that deepwoken's garbage

[hot parrot]

Maybe even Skill Trees would work for Permadeath, but at some point itll start feeling more like a job to progress everytime rather than a game lol

You don't want to do the same quest because some dude merked you

[frank vigil]

i don't think you need to randomize a build in order for it to be different

[hot parrot]

Yeah, but I'd say the best option is to randomize it

[frank vigil]

u can say that about any game

[hot parrot]

thats the best way to make sure they'll have build diversity

[frank vigil]

can backfire though

[hot parrot]

100%

[frank vigil]

the losses you're suffering there are bigger than the benefits

[hot parrot]

Yup

[frank vigil]

why'd you say that was the best way then

[hot parrot]

I don't think we're disagreeing here though, just saying it's 100% not a good fit for dsrpg3 lol

[frank vigil]

true

also wanted to ask a question about dsrpg3

[hot parrot]

because realistically every game can backfire even if its got a winning formula, like if your skills are underwhelming or they dont feel all that different

yadayadayada

alot of factors

a game I made in university was executed poorly, but another game company had the same idea and now its one of the most popular games LOL

[frank vigil]

that's a given

for skills to be different and meeting expectations

[hot parrot]

mhm

[frank vigil]

i had a tingle u went to game design school

[hot parrot]

but ye my original point is that permadeath does not fit rpg 3 at all

[frank vigil]

agreed

[hot parrot]

yes i did, i graduated this year xd

[frank vigil]

how's truestun on moves and parrying on m1s working out for you btw

i heard higoshi talk about it

[frank vigil]

nice

[hot parrot]

We're still testing it, I think it could be promising

[frank vigil]

how's that

[hot parrot]

I haven't gotten a chance to test it myself yet for development reasons, game being closed off and all, but we're going to test it more soon

[frank vigil]

whatdya mean

[hot parrot]

being kinda vague lol

[frank vigil]

aren't you the designer here

[hot parrot]

me and higo ye

but ive been busy doing something else for the game

[frank vigil]

who takes care of the balancing the combat

[hot parrot]

higo

[frank vigil]

oh i see

[frank vigil]

it's real promising

i haven't heard anything like going half half on the combat

good luck with that

[hot parrot]

[pastel wasp]

Fuck permanent deaths 💀😘

Also it was a joke I js don't like them)

[steady sphinx]

Please dont bring p3 down with you

The pfp goes hard but your opinion doesnt

[broken sonnet]

ur buns