When will plex prieces return ?
We can’t buy insurance pt and Omega.
Player will quit this game by this problem.
#plex problem
west helm
The biggest problem is not being able to buy insurance pt
little axle
#general-chat message
sleek crane
If there aren't any listed on the market and you're not buying some via AUR - No
west helm
steady gust
Buy orders exist
lapis solar
Buy orders exist
Don't tell them i still need to buy Plex to flip
willow bramble
Don't tell them i still need to buy Plex to flip
you can flip plex?
lapis solar
Buy cheap hold sell
lapis solar
Buy it after maintenance via buy order, wait atleast 2 weeks and you have like 44% - Taxes Profit
It's still very special that people think it's a problem that there is no Plex on market. It's just market unfolding, noone wants to sell Plex for the current price and there is huge demand.
Especially with cyansea event which basically turns 5k Plex into a cyansea, a BP, a mid slot mod, a mid slot mod BP and toons of other goodies you can make like this + 5-10b Stuff worth from 5k Plex.
You would be dumb selling Plex at current pricing
willow bramble
what happens when event ends?
lapis solar
Let me take a gazing look into my crystal ball
sleek crane
🔮
dreamy ravine
It's still very special that people think it's a problem that there is no Plex o...
Yes, it's market's reaction to CyanSea. Am I the only one wondering why new ships need to inflate PLEX like that?
dreamy ravine
Despite the usual answers - "pay 5$ like a man", "it's their game", "socialists want to play for free", "it's the market", "pay the stupid tax", "it's good value", "keep trying buy", "it's gonna end soon", "patches inflate PLEX" and so on - NE damaged the game with the release of the CyanSea and nobody knows why
echo whale
Despite the usual answers - "pay 5$ like a man", "it's their game", "socialists ...
Look at costs to max a cap nano.
Look at players in high-sec that would never own a cap.
CyanSea is a no-brainer business-wise.
dreamy ravine
I already know their business is not aligned with a sandbox game, what do you mean?
echo whale
I already know their business is not aligned with a sandbox game, what do you me...
I mean that from a game developer's perspective, it just makes sense to bring in a means to bring more costly MTx to High-Sec players. If you can't see that, then I don't know how else to explain it.
dreamy ravine
Oh ok, gotcha, MTx for business is good for the game existence. I think we can sum it up with "someone has to pay the bills". Do you think it's necessary - or even just a viable way - to inflate PLEX like that to pay the bills?
I think reputation is somehow involved in business. I think one needs to show to be able to run the game to do business
But this reputation thing is off-topic
Why MTx need to inflate PLEX?
steady gust
It isn’t even inflated like ridiculous high tho , still affordable to those who already affordable
Just 2b duo becomes 2.5b
dreamy ravine
"still affordable" - noted
echo whale
New ships don't need to inflate PLEX. That only happened because of the opt-box for the CyanSea being only 30B estimated if bought with PLEX compared to the estimated 100B+ to build.
In that situation, you'll always get a run on PLEX.
My point was more or less that NE did not damage the game. If anything, they likely gave more pilots more goals increasing the longevity.
dreamy ravine
"PLEX crisis is fine" - noted
"NE rolls dices when setting prices of boxes" - noted too
lapis solar
Which Plex crisis?
You don't get pumpkin in spring in supermarket is pumpkin Crysis than?
Just do buy orders no issue to get Plex
steady gust
"still affordable" - noted
2.5b isn’t too much for a month
And if not affordable then get basic
lapis solar
Who buys duo at t10 anyways
lapis solar
The sp speed is just too slow for me on basic
50 vs 75
steady gust
Yh Ik , I mean if I am poor somehow in future then I’ll switch to basic
But for now I have some so oh well
lapis solar
Most of my toons just skill stuff like expert BS engineering 5
steady gust
Yh Ik , I mean if I am poor somehow in future then I’ll switch to basic
Cos I don’t need to buy bling bling
steady gust
Most of my toons just skill stuff like expert BS engineering 5
Am skilling 554 to 555
Which takes sometime
dreamy ravine
"You made that sound like a famine"
"leave the game if you don't like it"
"keep trying buy", "it's gonna end soon"
next will be "you live in the past"
echo whale
"NE rolls dices when setting prices of boxes" - noted too
Not a fan of logic - noted.
dreamy ravine
New ships don't *need* to inflate PLEX. That only happened because of the opt-b...
NE rolled a dice: "100 PLEX for the key, fine"
a dice with 100 faces 🤣
what a disgrace having such a big dice
with 50 faces we could have made the new Carrier more affordable 🤣
and - by the way - what an unlucky roll!!
(hopefully nobody will tell me I'm not a fan of the math of dices - that would hurt me a lot)
So - jokes aside - the selling of the CyanSea caused the unnecessary inflation of PLEX and damaged the game but now we get more goals for more pilots. Assuming new goals don't need to inflate PLEX, why do NE did it anyway?
Apart from the new goals, I think the idea of underselling a Capital is just wrong: there's no way it would not negatively affect the economy
sleek crane
Cause of players crying about (new) store items just being sold for AUR
dreamy ravine
I don't know this idea about store items that have to be sold for PLEX
who wants that? and why? what's wrong with selling items just for AUR?
I truly ignore these things
Is it a greater damage selling items just for AUR than hugely inflate PLEX?
Why can't NE just avoid underselling this new Carrier?
If one wants to sell for PLEX it doesn't mean it needs to inflate PLEX, just set a balanced price
Why discuss this PLEX vs AUR problem?
Just set a price that doesn't inflate PLEX
echo whale
So increasing player spending on their game is "damaging"?
You seem to have a narrow view of economics and business
dreamy ravine
We already figured this out, right? The inflation of PLEX is the problem I'm talking about
clever pewter
i think refunders can fix plex inflation 🤣
dreamy ravine
hyper-inflation 🙂
dreamy ravine
why not? we always had regular inflation and deflation going on, this was special
steady gust
Just set a price that doesn't inflate PLEX
as time goes on more isk can be genarated so inflation make sense unless some massive amount of aur gets converted to plex and sold on market
dreamy ravine
let me be clear, I'm not against normal economy dynamics
I want to use the term hyper-inflation because it's more precise
steady gust
okay u win
dreamy ravine
it's what happened during the selling of the CyanSea: hyper-inflation. It was different than normal inflation
steady gust
right okay ,make sense , i was thinking hyper inflation as like a bread costed 5000000
but nvm
dreamy ravine
"You made that sound like a famine" 🤣
steady gust
echo whale
I want to use the term hyper-inflation because it's more precise
Ummmm.... A hyper inflated economy is best described as one where when you sit down for dinner at a restaurant, you pay in advance because the price will double by the time you're done.
An increase of <10% is hardly "hyper"-inflation.
What we had before did, in fact, have hyper inflation. And that's why it's capped now and why we had the phenomenon happen that we did.
steady gust
Ummmm.... A hyper inflated economy is best described as one where when you sit d...
yh thats what i was thinking of
(what happened to germany basically)
dreamy ravine
the term hyper-inflation is an improvement and it's not ambiguous and I will use it because there aren't restaurants in New Eden and I can't find Germany in the star-map while the price did actually hit the cap. Let's call the old one the "uncapped hyper-inflation" if you want, I would be fine
dreamy ravine
super-inflation?
echo whale
SuperC-inflation 2mor after patch
And after that, TitanC-inflation... Y'know, when we get the high-sec titan... With extra air strips.
little axle
dreamy ravine
"you don't know Economics" ????
really?
or just a tiny bit of "You made that sound like a famine" ?
willow bramble
"still affordable" - noted
willow bramble
hyper-inflation 🙂
Time to issue new currenct
willow bramble
Ummmm.... A hyper inflated economy is best described as one where when you sit d...
hyper inflation has stages. doubling every 20 mins is near the end stage. a price inflation of 10℅ every week is actually pretty bad. if you had this irl, you would be struggling after a few weeks.
west helm
Long time no see ,plex 
echo whale
hyper inflation has stages. doubling every 20 mins is near the end stage. a pric...
Can't compare IRL markets to this. That's a common fallacy.
Also, the price wasn't going up because it was worthless, it was the opposite. It's value went up.
If 6,000 PLEX gets you a guaranteed 120B ship. That gives 1 PLEX a value of 20M.
Yet it was trading at 4.5M.
Obviously, people will buy and hold. Or buy and flip to CyanSeas to possibly sell later.
10% week over week is admittedly bad, but we were nowhere near the hyperinflation point. Hyperinflation is when there is a severe shock to consumer confidence, whereas what we had was spending at an all-time high (ISK - PLEX that is).
west helm
F
dreamy ravine
Why do you see using the word "hyper-inflation" as some kind of will to link what happened in the game to some real life events of the past? Can't we just agree that "hyper-inflation" means "unusually high inflation" due to the selling of CyanSea when we talk about this game? Consider also that a lot of things of the game are just pure invention, should we stop using the term "spaceship" because our spaceships float like in water?
Do you want to discuss the causes of this hyper-inflation until you find some real life example?
What's the point of disqualifying the term "hyper-inflation"?
Give me a reason to not sum it up as mix of "it was just normal inflation" and "you don't know Economics"
the expression "PLEX crisis" is not bad anyway
echo whale
It's misinformation, that's why. There is no problem and you're drawing the wrong conclusion by inferring that there is an issue with the market or with PLEX. You are refusing to look at the bigger picture. There is always a cause and effect.
The cause?
Cheap CyanSeas.
The Effect?
People buying them en masse.
Knock-on Effect?
No currency used to buy CyanSeas available for other purposes (such as Omega or IP).
There is no "problem" per the purest definition of the word. Yes, the lack of PLEX for Omega or IP is a 'problem', but it's cause is not the market, but rather market forces caused by the CyanSea event.
The game is not "damaged". Yes, some pilots may quit over the issue... but like most that quit, they were looking for a reason.
As for why I connect the real world to the game is because you're using a real world market term and trying to shoehorn it into a video game. Whether you or I agree on what term doesn't matter. I'm just trying to point out that there is a lot more at play than what you're looking at.
NetEase realized a large portion of pilots would NEVER buy a capital ship. They made one that catered to those pilots. In the past, they were accused of making things pay to win. The solution there was to make it available for PLEX. This caused PLEX valuation to skyrocket, yet at least freemium pilots can afford the new ship.
The reason they want High-Sec pilots in capitals is because capital nanos cost a lot more to upgrade than battleship nanos.
Tl;dr:
When you look at every factor at play, NE made the best business-based decision they felt they could. They have access to way more data than you or I. They also have people with more knowledge of game development and monetisation than you or I. If you enjoy the game, you just have to trust that the devs are making sound business decisions for the longevity of the game. It doesn't make sense for them to do otherwise.
willow bramble
willow bramble
Can't compare IRL markets to this. That's a common fallacy.
Also, the price wa...
i never said plex is worthless. price inflation is a product of increased money supply and demand outpacing supply and in this case. both of these were in favour of price inflation and compounded to create a shortage.
echo whale
i never said plex is worthless. price inflation is a product of increased money ...
I need to read what people are replying to before replying. Lol...
You're right
dreamy ravine
It's misinformation, that's why. There is no problem and you're drawing the wro...
Ok ok, I understand you had to respond to the use of "hyper-inflation" because it can generate "dramas" but you are framing me wrong, I don't misinform, I just wanted to emphasize with strong wording that PLEX valuation skyrocketed, because simply saying "inflation" allows to ignore the problem.
And the problem I'm pointing out is that 6000 PLEX is a little price for the CyanSea (and the other guaranteed items), it's an effective hyper-valuation of PLEX autonomously established by NE disregarding the preexisting valuation of the correlated items present in the economy, it's the root cause of all the problems to buy Omega and IPs and it damaged the game in many ways.
What did players get in exchange of this damage? The ability of freemium players to get the CyanSea in exchange of PLEX doesn't count because it does not require "small pricing".
Did NE made a sound business decision for the longevity of the game? Your are telling me this was the best possible decision but it is unbelievable that the best decision implies messing up key functions of the game and upsetting players. Are you telling me that NE can't do better than this?
Does flying a Carrier give new content and motivation to players? Of course it does. Do you want me to start enumerating all the things NE can do to motivate current players and attract new players without causing any damage? It's absolutely astonishing how NE managed to release new content and to create a problem doing it.
If I understand correctly what has been said then the root cause of what can be called the "PLEX crisis" still has not justification and therefore I feel free to rightly question the ability of NE to run this game and to keep discussing and searching answers.
lapis solar
echo whale
So getting 1000s of pilots into capitals and more likely to buy concord passes for more materials for nanos, as well as having to buy into events for capital nanos they otherwise never would have looked at isn't a justifiable reason?
Have you looked at the cost comparison to max a capital nano as opposed to a BS? Nevermind trying to get top tier stat rolls too...