Beginners Chat

[stiff coral]

Hi!

[distant cape]

hia!

[orchid brook]

So, I'm sure this question is probably going to sound similar to one I asked in the Deities chat some time ago. I started out Christian, then found omnism, and recently found eclectic paganism. It is possible to perform worship for the Hellenic pantheon, Norse pantheon, and Abrahamic God while referring to myself as an eclectic pagan omnist? I've been trying to teach myself how to have more self-confidence, not only in my eclectic witchcraft path, but life in general.

[woven cloud]

yep! labels aren’t necessary unless you want them to be

[orchid brook]

Thank you!

[fallow smelt]

So I have a question, and wasn't sure where to ask. I'm a beginner, so I figured this was the best spot(?)-. So recently, I've started using tarot cards; I was told to follow your hearts feeling while shuffling. But when I shuffle the cards, my stomach starts to tighten and when it gets too uncomfortable to bare I stop shuffling and lay the cards out. (My stomach only does this when shuffling tarot cards). My friend thinks that it's a bad energy, but I wanted some other opinions also! Can you help me on figuring out what it is?

[ashen falcon]

did you cleanse the cards before you started using them?

[fallow smelt]

Yeah they were cleansed with Crystal's and good intentions. (They are my friends cards that what he said)

[pale loom]

Sometimes decks aren't cool with other people using them

[fallow smelt]

Funny thing I just turned to my friend and said what you said the tower card fell out of the deck

So I think your right

[pale loom]

Yeahhhhb I think the deck might not like other people using it lmao

[ashen falcon]

and depending on how recently you got the deck you may want to spend time bonding with it as well1

[pale loom]

I think they said it's a friend's deck /lh

[ashen falcon]

OH I missed that whole message 😭

[pale loom]

Lol you're good!

[waxen skiff]

I have a question, I’m a bit confused with tarot cards I have some and I’ve been trying to understand each cards meaning but I never know how to like use my intuition and how to word things- I’m not sure if this makes sense😿

[pale loom]

Really understanding and being able to use your intuition just comes with time and practice

[kindred dirge]

It was my deck😭 We also think it may be a spirit or deity attached to her making her readings weird,, We don’t know for sure tho

[ashen falcon]

so the deck is yours but the cards were pulled for your friend?

[waxen skiff]

Oh I see thank you for telling me :3

[pale loom]

Yeah ofc! And don't be afraid to use the guide book

[twin oyster]

I have this deck that I really love. It has all the meanings on the front and I find it really helpful to see it all in one spot rather that switching back and forth between a book and the cards

I got it on etsy from SolisDivinityTarot

[waxen skiff]

Ooo so maybe I should try getting a tarot that’s more easier?

[ashen falcon]

yeah! if you have one you struggle with visually one like this may help a ton

[twin oyster]

I've found it super helpful. I have a collection of like 7 decks and this one has helped me learn the most. For years I struggled with learning the meanings but seeing it all together has helped. And rather than looking at the individual message of each card, sometimes looking at the cards together makes it easier to understand their message.

If you ask a question and you're confused about the card you pulled try looking at the card that came before or after the one you're confused about. They could be working together

[waxen skiff]

Ohhh I see thank you guys so much!

[kindred dirge]

Nono, I let her borrow it,, It’s my deck, but she pulled the cards herself for herself

[ashen falcon]

ahh okay

[rancid cobalt]

I think I might've been in contact with an entity/deity a couple years back???

I saw a video on how to contact the deity you wanna worship/talking with them through other ways.
The video said something about crystal pendulums

I was thinking about that just now when I remembered;

Like 4 years back I was 'camping' with my class, I had a crystal on a necklace and heard you could 'ask your crystal stuff' and it would 'answer' through movements
I tried that out, my and my friends lost someone in the forest so I asked the crystal where they were and got a direction, we followed it and found them
More stuff like this happened and I was like wow, what??

So any thoughts? T-T
(It was just a thought, could be nothing tho lol)

[pale loom]

You don't necessarily have to have a deity on the other end of the "phone" with pendulums. Same way that you don't have to read with a deity with tarot

[rancid cobalt]

Ohh alright, ty :)
(Also pls ping me next time :D/nm)

[pale loom]

Oh sorry! Totally spaced /lh

[valid turret]

What should I slurge on first? candles or herbs? 😼

[pale loom]

Is there one you anticipate using more than the other?

[normal ginkgo]

Will one be easier to store in your space?

[valid turret]

Storing both will be easy I'm really just broke

[normal ginkgo]

Then this one will proabbly be more helpful /lh

[rancid cobalt]

is there a guide on how to begin? like explaining what hellenism is, what deities and entities there are, how to do spell work ect? (like really walk you through it)
I dont like vague guides and am scared of getting everything from random sites, im afraid ill get misinformation ect :(

[pale loom]

We have a lot of info available in our #1114060085224808468 but I think these specific posts will help you the most right now:
#1114060085224808468 message
#1114060085224808468 message

[iron arch]

Soo i’ve heard about flipping a coin for a yes and no answers from a deity and i genuinely don’t know how to make sure which side is yes and which is no..and even if the deity is cooperating with me

[pure pewter]

for the yes and no thing you could ask "show me a yes" then "show me a no", like with pendulums (maybe a bit more politely if you're addressing a deity aha)

[ashen falcon]

you can also do "heads tails" if your coins allow for that

[pure pewter]

Oh yes yes i was thinking about that ! And then asking to determine which side is which
That was not very clear sorry

[iron arch]

Ahh i see, thank you so much!!

[iron arch]

I will try that too, thanks!

[rancid cobalt]

Haii! I'm looking at buying sage to cleanse my space, I have some options on which I can buy, does it matter?
(Lanvender, cinnamon, roses, rosemary)

[ashen falcon]

your looking for sage or for the herbs you listed?

[rancid cobalt]

I was looking for sage and got those options, but yeah I was looking for sage. I might go to a close by city tmmr to pick some up at a witchy store :)

[ashen falcon]

I'm going to say that you need to be very wary if you are going to buy sage from a witchy store because more often than not what's being sold there is white sage and that is an herb that you cannot use or shouldn't use if you are not native american.

Kitchen sage is fine but white sage is not

and at that it's white sage that has been poached

[rancid cobalt]

Really, I didn't know that thanks! this is so hard, I have no idea where to start and who/which stores to trust :/

[ashen falcon]

tbh if it's not being sold by a native american person then you shouldn't be buying it, I would not trust any other sources.

I personally as a non-native American person will not buy it for any reason because there are plenty of herbs that are open to me.

I won't be able to list every single closed option but this is 100% why research is important to do before buying things

[rancid cobalt]

Yeah but how do I know what sources are true and which ones are misinfo if I don't even know where to start? I thought getting some tarot cards would be a good idea but I rlly don't know, I also don't wanna bother anyone by asking 1500 questions :/

[ashen falcon]

we can try to answer what we can but research is an important part of this thing and it involves cross referencing making sure that the sources you're getting your information from our trustworthy and more.

we have resources on appropriation, but you should also be cross-referencing any information we have here because we aren't the end and be all of knowledge

it's a skill you have to learn and utilize efficiently yourself

would highly rec: https://witchinghour.info/responsiblebuying
which is a document made by staff on responsible buying within spiritual spaces

but overall would definitely recommend not just going through and buying something without properly researching where it's coming from.

if you bought sage and didn't know why it was spiritually significant then you may not be even using it in the correct way which more often than not is what's happening

#1114762929527599144 is another space that might be worth looking into

those are our resources on appropriation

[rancid cobalt]

Then I don't think this is for me, I already have a hard time doing stuff with vague instructions, I really need guidance, I can't have stress of what I should or shouldn't buy, people spreading misinformation ect.
Joining the reality shifting community was easier, I only have myself to disappoint, I really don't wanna do something wrong or mess up or get people/deities mad/missapointed
Thank you tho :)

[ashen falcon]

shifting is also not a very safe practice to be using if you don't have guidance because it is a dangerous kind of thing /lh

which is again why you also need research in order to make sure that you are being safe and responsible about what you're doing

[rancid cobalt]

Amd btw if I shouldn't buy white sage, why is it the only thing I can find??? /rethorical

[ashen falcon]

it's not the only thing available you just have to be willing to search farther than your nearest witchy store

most often witchy stores are profiting off of appropriation in more than one way including but not limited to chakras and white sage

unfortunately spirituality has become a very big appropriation market

[rancid cobalt]

I have done research on that, I got guidance on it, I have my own experiences and I know what I'm doing

[rancid cobalt]

:(

[ashen falcon]

there are a lot of things that you can use for cleansing including incense if you really want to use smoke

anything labeled as smudging should probably be avoided though cuz smudging is a native American ritual that you can't do if you're not made of American or know how

[rancid cobalt]

I have no idea what else to use, visualization doesn't geel like enough and that's the only other than smoke I've heard of

[ashen falcon]

I mean there's visualization there's water there's fire there's air sound cleansing if you need information on what aspects of cleansing to use we can offer you those resources

but we don't do mentorships because that's a very labor-inducive type of task to be able to guide somebody through their own spiritual practice while also practicing your own so often times mentorships is not free

[rancid cobalt]

Yeah that's very understandable

[ashen falcon]

doing this in its entirety it's very important to know why you're doing what you're doing rather than just doing it if that makes sense

let me grab cleansing thing

(VERY LONG SORRY)

[rancid cobalt]

Yeah I have a reason to why, I've always felt like I wanted to believe in someone, a higher up, or anything, just talk to them and know it's alright, or stm I can't explain
From young I've kinda made up my own 'gods' in my head and talked to them, recently I had a feeling there was something I didn't make up and with some looking around I heard about hellenic polytheism (I believe that's what it's called?)
So yk I wanted to respect the one who was reaching out to me and set up an altar, give some offerings, idk it makes me feel safe :)

(If that makes sense lol)

[rancid cobalt]

No worries lol my messages are also a lot, and I like reading :D

[rancid cobalt]

Oh those are a lot lol, and I've heard about incense, anything I should avoid in that?

[ashen falcon]

I'm also meant like you should understand and know why something like white sage is being considered a cleansing herb that you would use to cleanse your space before buying said herb

researching this will more than likely lead you to sources stating that it's closed which you could then fact check

the only really thing that I could say with incense is that make sure that you're avoiding ones that are labeled like white sage and Palo Santo because those are closed and you're not 100% sure if the essential oils that they are using are indigenously made

[rancid cobalt]

Ohh alright, I didn't get it so sorry T-T

[ashen falcon]

no you're fine I'm sorry if I come off as mad or something I'm definitely not it was more so just me trying to reiterate my point

[rancid cobalt]

No worries, I get it :D

[rancid cobalt]

Okay thanks! Also, do you have any advice on a route?
Like I want to talk to deities, but first like recommended I want to protect myself and my space
So for now I was planning on cleansing, trying out tarot cards and start looking around in this server for more things to do and be aware of with trickster spirits and vetting ect?

Like I'd love to set up an altar but I don't wanna rush it and cause something bad or anything-

[ashen falcon]

for vetting!

[rancid cobalt]

Thanks!!

[rancid cobalt]

Wait lemme reword that I don't think I said it well

What I think I need to/want to do before contacting deities:
-protection spells/wards
-cleansing
-practicing tarot
-know about vetting (ty!)
-do some research about the deities, what their truly like

Please let me know if I'm missing something/should add something

(Also do you know if we have reliable sources about the deities, what they stand for and their personalities?)

For example I took a class in multiple mythologies (Greek, Norse and some more) and Zeus was portrayed as a horrible person, but now that I'm getting into this I've heard hes very nice? I'm honestly I'm a bit confused

(Also let me know when to stop asking questions-)

[ashen falcon]

https://discord.com/channels/599776551306788874/1114060224924491907 protection! also the space for cleansing!
#1114061678963855410 for tarot

and for research it will highly depend on which Pantheon (Greek, Egyptian, etc)

[rancid cobalt]

Thank you!! :D

[ashen falcon]

as for "reliable info on gods"
I will note that Greek mythos is not how the gods act. mythos were made for folks to tell stories to explain things that they couldn't understand.

they were made as lessons not as things to take as 100% fact.

[rancid cobalt]

Thanks! I'll try to do some research on what the gods truly are like :)

[iron arch]

Hii again!! Im thinking about starting a ritual or in other way start worshiping or work with Hermes tomorrow since i’ve read that his day is Wednesday , i just wanna know what should i do for a start to communicate or if there’s anything i should be aware of

[normal ginkgo]

We have a couple resources about Hermes: #1114061636744007720 message

As well as hellenion.com while they usually operate from a reconstructist point much of their information (especially holidays/celebrations) are very good!

[iron arch]

Oh okay, i’ll check it right now! Thanks

[rancid cobalt]

do we have any sigil making recources/channels here? :D

[ashen falcon]

#1114763288568418304

[rancid cobalt]

ty!

[rancid cobalt]

haii! how do i tell if a tarot card is reversed?

[ashen falcon]

the card will be upsidedown!

left is upright, right is reversed

[rancid cobalt]

thank you! altough i dont think this will work well if i shuffle them in my hand and pick the top card, can i ask for any shuffle recomendations?

[ashen falcon]

it can actually! you just have to manually flip some of the cards when shuffling

[rancid cobalt]

okay thanks!

I am still confused about how to read them, like i get a card, it has 4 different words/things describing it and for some they dont match at all-

[ashen falcon]

this is a video ex

[ashen falcon]

what do you mean?

[rancid cobalt]

i asked my deck about its energy and i got the magician, i look up the meaning online and in my manual and see: skill, diplomacy, address, sickness, loss, disaster :/

and also self confidence and will

so i have no idea what to get out of that-

[ashen falcon]

okay so sickness loss and disaster may be the reversed card. idk which site or which deck you have so i cant fact check

[rancid cobalt]

i use the rider waite tarot set, my manual is in dutch so i can't send it, and the site says nothing about reversed

lemme translate the manual tho-

1. the magician - skill, diplomacy, dexterity/good for: sickness, pain, loss, unlucky; self confidence, will; the asker, if male. reversed: healing properties, magician, mental sickness, unhonor, unrest

[ashen falcon]

so with that its not saying that the card itself is a sign of sickness pain and loss but that you can work through that sickeness pain loss or recover from it (i think as i dont speak dutch)

"As a master manifestor, The Magician brings you the tools, resources and energy you need to make your dreams come true."

so this means that with you asking about its energy: i would say that means this deck will be one that helps you in making sure you reach your goals through its answers

[rancid cobalt]

aww thats great!

[jovial vector]

I live for the wash* shuffle! It do it before the start of any reading and whenever energy gets stale during the reading

Just put the deck down on a flat surface and go to town spreading the deck out and moving the cards every which way

[rancid cobalt]

thanks!! i did that a bit ago, i've seen it a lot before and it gave me an accurate answer to a question! thanks for the suggestion :D

[iron arch]

Is there by any chance a way to make tarot cards at home since i’ve got a strictly religious parents and i’m trying my best to keep it secret, so im not able to purchase anything online..

[ashen falcon]

yup! so there are a few things you can do, but i wanna ask something first before giving the answers

• do you want tarot specifically or are you okay with other cards for divination?

the answer will p much make my advice a lil different

[iron arch]

I’m really okay with any other cards, i want to practice divinations,

[ashen falcon]

ah okay!
so for tarot:

• you can hand make the cards using flash cards! you would have to draw them yourself or make them the size you want which can be difficult and unless you have access to methods of keeping it safe from damage they may be a bit more fragile than most cards!
  for other methods:
• playing cards! these are pretty much what tarot is without the major arcana!
• you can use a lot of card games (pokemon, magic the gathering, uno) for oracle cards!
• and there are also non-card divination (dice, pendulum, runes, etc)

[iron arch]

Ahh i wasn’t aware that i could use playing cards..i will have to look up every card’s meaning later, for other non cards divination i recently made a handmade pendulum and trying out coins for simple yes and no questions, thanks for the help!! Its really useful,

[ashen falcon]

playing cards resources! #1114061678963855410 message

[iron arch]

Thank you!!

[sick flower]

Soooo gang uhhh

This is all what I planned to get, but is it worth it? Should i swap some things?

[pale loom]

The main thing I'm concerned about is the supply kit thing cause that's likely to have white sage in it which is closed
Other than that, I would just approach the books with the knowledge that a lot of witchy books are written through a Wiccan lense and ones on "black magic" can have some outdated information that needs cross-referencing

[ashen falcon]

the book by Anastasia graywolf the one with the gold lettering that one is pretty bad considering some of her spells are either downright illegal to do or involve a lot of heavy cultural appropriation.

[sick flower]

ILLEGAL?

OH SHIT

[sick flower]

Oooo

[ashen falcon]

no yeah like she advises fairly illegal methods of getting and doing stuff in her books 😭

[pale loom]

Omg?? That's fucking wild holy shit

[sick flower]

Oh

YAAAAAY

(This is a joke)

(I’m sorry)

So what should I replace her book with?

[ashen falcon]

I would suggest looking through books that we have in our beginner section we have a few lists

[rancid cobalt]

haii! im about to make an protection jar with a sigil drawn on paper in it, i want it to be long lasting, i looked a few things up and saw i could charge it with visualization and putting it in the moonlight, is this true?

[sick flower]

That could help, I’ve seen things where some jars you can shake them to help activate them or even meditate with them

[rancid cobalt]

thanks! and what colour wax should i use? i dont have black unfortunely :/

[sick flower]

I think white can substitute for any color?

Like for example in crystals

Clear quartz substitutes

That’s what I’ve heard

But yeah and you can charge your crystals in the moonlight too, and that’s also how ya make moon water, ya put water in a jar and you let it sit in your window to collect moonlight

I think you can do that backwards to make sun water too

[rancid cobalt]

thanks!

[sick flower]

No problem :)

Does anyone know if this is a good book?

[ashen falcon]

looking at the "spells" she includes one is a voodoo spell and shes a white lady that is Wiccan so i would say maybe no

[rancid cobalt]

what will happen if i try to draw tarot cards when i'm tired? will i just get inacurate answers, make myself more tired, will the deck refuse to work with me?

[distant cape]

probably all of those things! depending on your deck ofc

its best to do tarot when you are in a good headspace to ensure accurate answers and guidance!

sometimes illl ask my pendulum if i am ready to do a tarot reading for myself today - so that kinda helps guide me on if i'm doing okay and will have a good reading when i am unsure

[rancid cobalt]

thanks! i feel like my deck isn't willing to work with me, i used the yes-no reading that i found in #1114061678963855410 and got different answers each time, or the deck would give me tons of cards at once or non at all :/

[ashen falcon]

so there is also a thing called "over reading" which can happen when you read on the same subject to much that you start to get contradicting answers

[distant cape]

you can adjust how you pick your cards, you can shuffle and pick the top one, or shuffle and then lay out in a fan and select which one you are drawn to

[rancid cobalt]

i asked my pendulum if i could move from trying to read the pendulum to drawing some cards, it told me no like twice, maybe it was trying to tell i shouldn't because of energy?/just writing down thoughts

[distant cape]

perhaps! you can keep asking the pendulum that if you're curious :)

[rancid cobalt]

really? i guessed there would be something like that, how much would be too much? first try i got no cards and a whole stack fell out, second time multiple cards different answers, last time two cards with again different answers...

[rancid cobalt]

ohh i will, ty!!

[ashen falcon]

i think its a matter of asking yourself "am i unhappy with the answer i was given and thats why im pulling again or am i not confident that this is the answer the cards meant?"

bc being unhappy/not pleased with the cards your given doesnt make them wrong.

if you are also overhand shuffling and you wait for cards to fall, establish a base line with your deck on which cards you will read from.

as someone thats clumsy if i get multiple (3 or more) i go for the bottom of the stack that falls out and ask for clairfiers after

[rancid cobalt]

do you mean by asking for clairfiers after like asking yes or no questions or do you do something else?/curious

[ashen falcon]

depends on the main question i was asking.

my clarifier could be a simple yes no but could also mean "can i get a card that expands on what you meant" "how is this card meant to influence ()" etc etc

[rancid cobalt]

thanks!

[sick flower]

Are these good enough herbs?

I also have oregano, parsley, basil, thyme, cayenne pepper, crushed red pepper flakes, cumin, cinnamon, ginger and cloves in my pantry

But the cayenne, cumin, ginger, cinnamon, and cloves are ground

Does that matter whether it’s ground or not?

[pale loom]

Yeah those seem fine! Just be careful with mugwort cause it does have side effects

It doesn't particularly matter if they're ground or not unless you're wanting to make tea

[sick flower]

I do NAWT want tea with these 😭

Hehehe

Would taste real funny

[sick flower]

Yippeeeee

Thank youuu

[rancid cobalt]

i really want to work with my tarot card deck, i cleanse it, wash my hands before using it and it seems like it doesn't want to work wiht me? last time i was here i fond out that if im tired my deck doesn't like to work with me. im not feeling that tired right now but still don't get straight answers?
is this because i am a beginner, does my deck just really not like me? do i have to do something to connect with it more? or is my energy just drained? i dont understand what it wants from me :(

i asked my pendulum again and it seems like it also isn't willing to give me straight answers, have i done something wrong?/gen

[ashen falcon]

have you cleansed the area you're working in? not the tools but like where you are reading?

also what do you mean by "not giving straight answers"?

[rancid cobalt]

i cleansed it yesterday, i am not able to cleanse much because it overstimulates my mother (the scent is very strong)

and no straight answers for my pendulum it keep changing its answers and just refuses to answer, for my cars i asked to give me a yes or no based on the text in the #1114061678963855410 and it keeps giving me either too much cards, no cards at all or the opposite answer

[ashen falcon]

you don't have to cleanse with scents/info

when did you get these things the pendulum and the tarot cards I mean?

[rancid cobalt]

i cleanse with incense, but the scent of it is just really strong

[ashen falcon]

yes I know I'm saying that there are other methods of cleansing you can use that aren't sent related if you or your family are particularly sensitive to smell

[rancid cobalt]

when did i get the answers? like five minutes ago

[ashen falcon]

no I mean when did you get the tools

[rancid cobalt]

I'll look into it

[ashen falcon]

you also don't have to keep pinging me in a conversation that I'm actively talking to you and I get really stressed out by constant pings /nm /gen

the issue is that if you haven't had enough bonding time with your tools that could be a reason

[rancid cobalt]

my pendulum is a crystal necklace i got at a witchy store a few years back, it has worked before, and the tarot cards at like an amazon but then dutch a couple of days ago

[rancid cobalt]

srry!

how would i bond with my tools?

[ashen falcon]

another thing to think about is are you reading on the same subject?

like are you pulling cards for the same questions over and over again?

bonding with your tools can be asking and handling them without looking for answers for particular reasons it's bonding it's exchanging of energy it's watching a movie and asking what the deck itself feels like is coming next or what the outcome may be of that episode something like that

there are a lot of ways to connect to your tools not every method is going to work for you but it's a matter of learning to bond with it

-outside of it being a tool that you use

[rancid cobalt]

hmm i've pulled for a yes card twice, got the wrong answer once, pulled for a no card also twice and gave me the opposite answer again

then i asked my pendulum and got what i told you

[rancid cobalt]

that seems like a really fun way to bond ty! i'm going to do that! :D

[ashen falcon]

what I'm asking is are you telling your deck to give you the answers for the same questions?

like are you asking your deck "what is the outcome of this situation" multiple times

[rancid cobalt]

no

[ashen falcon]

I'm confused on what you're reading on then like why are you asking yes no questions? and how is the deck "getting them wrong"? /genq

[rancid cobalt]

I'm trying not to ask complex questions when i've just begun, just because i don't trust myself enough to read the answer correctly

[rancid cobalt]

the yes/no answers in #1114061678963855410 ? i thought maybe it would be something good to start with-

#1114061678963855410 message

[ashen falcon]

how are the answers wrong for the questions you are asking?

that's what I mean

because you're saying that they're answering incorrectly.

do you mean that you're telling your deck "give me a yes card" and then you're not pulling one?

because when you're asking tarot yes no questions you can't use it in the same way you do with a pendulum they're two entirely different forms of divination

[rancid cobalt]

well how do i know then if they're like not messing with me? if i asked a question and they give me the answer they meant to give me?

[ashen falcon]

that is a correspondence list meant for something you're asking a question for

like "will I do this today" yes no maybe

sorry I'm struggling a lot with trying to understand what exactly the problem is because I don't know

1 the questions you're asking

&

2 how you're having an issue with yes/no answers

like could you explain to me what exact problem you're having? /genq

[rancid cobalt]

nvm ill try stm else/nm

[ashen falcon]

I'm not trying to be rude I'm trying to understand what problem you're having but I don't understand what the issue is

because I am not able to wrap my head around what exact issue you're running into I don't know what questions you're asking and I don't know how the answers relate to that question so I can't help because I don't know what you're asking

[rancid cobalt]

im also not trying to be rude so i don't want to continue this conversation :/

[ashen falcon]

okay then I hope you find a method that works better for you then/gen

[rancid cobalt]

thank you :)/gen

i do feel like you've helped me enough in explaining how to bond and some other stuff/gen

[ashen falcon]

glad I could help there
sorry I just didn't understand what you were trying to do

[rancid cobalt]

no worries, maybe i am just tired, im gonna try to ask some different questions :D

[iron arch]

Might be a stupid question, is it absolutely necessary to cleanse before using the cards? And are the answers accurate from the beginning or do i have to connect with the cards first

[ashen falcon]

not a stupid question!
however I will say that there is no tried and true method of how you and your cards interact.

cleansing is probably best done before reading simply so that way you can have a fresh and clean space to do these readings in it would be like eating off of a dirty plate technically you could and if it was just crumbs then you would be fine but you probably don't want to eat off of a dirty plate if you don't have to.

and as for answers being accurate regardless on if you connect with the cards or not that is something that I feel comes with experience. if this is your very first deck and you've never had one before you should probably go about connecting with it and learning how it works first. this can help you gauge what is and isn't accurate.

but if I were to pull a deck out of a box and then read with it without having any prior connection to it then I am more likely to get an accurate answers because I haven't bonded.

[iron arch]

Ah i see, i read online that i could build a connection by bringing it everywhere with me and putting it under a pillow when sleeping, also i’ve pulled some cards few times and it was quite confusing but it’s expected since i’ve never done that before, thanks for the guidance though!

[ashen falcon]

oh that's how I bond!

I allow my energy to sit with my deck while I sleep and then I'll bring it with me everywhere for about a week or so I'll do mundane readings with it like watching TV and asking questions etc

[iron arch]

Oh then i will definitely do that! Couldn’t get simpler than that then, thanks!

[ashen falcon]

[gleaming dagger]

Tarot session with Athena

How cooked am I 😭

[ashen falcon]

reversed swords and reversed strength 🙏

[gleaming dagger]

That’s what I’m saying prayers 😂

[copper wadi]

maybe you can ask what your next steps are or what you can do 😵‍💫

[brittle mortar]

As a beginner since I’m just starting to work with Hecate since tonight is one of Her nights can I still make an alter for Her??

[ashen falcon]

people make alters for deities without even working with them mainly as a way of devotion but yeah you can definitely do so

[brittle mortar]

Nice ok!

[iron arch]

Honestly am i the only one getting nervous while using the cards, it feels like i’m knowing something i shouldnt

Still fun though,

[gleaming dagger]

That’s what I’m saying I may be cooked, I might do a reading later since I kinda just said thanks and reflected on the cards 😂

[copper wadi]

LMAO thanks is so funny

it's always so awkward like uh ty!

[gleaming dagger]

Yess cuz I’m not too too close with her yet so like I can’t be like welp thanks man see ya! Idk 😂

[mystic root]

Hey! Can someone explain to me, how the daily readings works?

I just joined the group

[woven cloud]

hiii. so at the beginning of the day we post the correspondences that match to a card (todays were crystals from myth) and you choose whichever you want based on intuition, your favorite, what’s cool, or you can pick multiple. then later in the day the reveal is posted. it’s a general divination reading that may or may not apply to your day/situation/question but you can also pick and choose what resonates

[queen stone]

Is whichcraft actually real?

Like what’s myth and real

[normal ginkgo]

Welcome to the server would you mind changing your nickname to something screenreader friendly per our rules? You can do so under [edit server profile]

As for your question;

[full heron]

depends

[queen stone]

I’m so sorry I’m confused what do you mean I’m so sorry

[full heron]

depends on who you are asking because im sure we all have different answer

and some answers can offend others

[queen stone]

Is that good?

The Name

[queen stone]

Well I guess spells and stuff

[full heron]

if you wanna hear me say what my point its better if i do it on dms

because here its most likely gonna offend others

[normal ginkgo]

This will mostly depend on your beliefs in magic, beliefs in religion and culture

Something general is movie magic (blasting fireballs, making people fly etc) and superpowers (invincibility, curing the sick etc) are not real
Magic is not a substitute for genuine medical, safety and mundane care

As for the "it depends" category

• some believe you can communicate with entities either not on our plane (ghosts, spirits) of our plane (animals, fey, plants) or ones of cosmic level (demons, deities) _ some may not believe in them at all _ some entitles are not able to stand communicated by everyone (closed cultures)
• some believe some tools are superior to others _ some don't believe in tools at all and focus on energy (either their own or of something else)
• some believe you can affect others as in cursing them or positive affects _ some believe you can but you shouldn't _ some don't believe you can

[woven cloud]

^

[normal ginkgo]

We are accepting of all ways of practicing as long as it doesn't promote unhealthy/unsafe practices or encroach on closed beliefs

[full heron]

invisibility does exist i think

[normal ginkgo]

It does not 👍

[full heron]

not invincibility

[queen stone]

Have you guys ever performed a spell that works?

[pale loom]

Also most pagan religions didn't and still don't view the mythology as literal. Mythology was used as a way to entertain, explain and convey moral ideology of the time, and also explain natural phenomena

[normal ginkgo]

You can camouflage or be so small that the plain eye cannot perceive you - but literally turning invisible is not possible

[queen stone]

You can do magic that will do this to you?

[full heron]

demon illusions on those around you

[woven cloud]

Invisibility is more like a glamor so that you’re less looked at, less observed. not like literally invisible

[normal ginkgo]

It has been a long time since I preformed one I know didn't work

[queen stone]

What’s the latest spell you’ve done

[pale loom]

Most of mine have worked pretty well for me

[woven cloud]

same here i mainly do protection stuff on the regular

[queen stone]

Like are love spells a thing or are those fake like I don’t know what’s like spells and not yk I feel like see people say “I casted a love spell” or a something spell idk

I think “love spell” is the most common

[pale loom]

Best one was when I did a protection spell for myself and then like 2 weeks later, nobody could get in contact with the person I needed protecting from at the time

[full heron]

love spells are real but they are fuckedup

at least in my experience

[queen stone]

How do you know they’re real?

[pale loom]

Love spells do exist, but they're a bit of a controversial topic. There's cultural and moral nuance to be had when it comes to them

[normal ginkgo]

I don't interact with demons so no probably not, I am low vision though

[pale loom]

As someone that works with demons, can confirm that I have never been turned invisible /lh

[full heron]

just heard stories but i know the way it works so i could tell if the story was accurate or not based on the magic methodology

never tried doing magic before im trying to avoid it at all costs

[queen stone]

OK, well Demons or something I wanna stay far away from

[woven cloud]

demons aren’t bad /gen

[queen stone]

Can’t demons like possess you

[woven cloud]

no. malevolent spirits can, but it’s not really common

[pale loom]

I mean not normally no. Consent is kind of a Thing for them lol

[queen stone]

So demons possessing someone like in a horror movie such the conjuring is just fiction?

[woven cloud]

yep yep

[pale loom]

They're no more dangerous than any other entity- angel, deity, or otherwise

[full heron]

dont demons always ask for stuff in return

[queen stone]

What if I wanted to try magic

[woven cloud]

#1114060085224808468

[pale loom]

So does every other entity, but that's usually just offerings or devotion

[queen stone]

How do they go about that once the most common spell to prove to me that it’s real?

[full heron]

can i say my perspective i mean nothing to offend you if ur fine with me saying it

[woven cloud]

i mean we can’t prove anything to you. it’s like any other belief, religion, or myth. you don’t know it’s real unless you believe for yourself

[pale loom]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but we're trying to avoid invalidating others' beliefs or spreading harmful information

[queen stone]

I do believe for the most part

[full heron]

me personally i find all entitys demons no matter what they claim to be or look like

[woven cloud]

^

okie and that’s your opinion but there are many people that work with/worship different entities

[full heron]

worship! ?

[pale loom]

I work with angels, demons, and deities cause I believe that they're all separate

[woven cloud]

Yeahhh like worshiping gods of different religions

[full heron]

did you say worshipping an entity? tho

or

just god

[pale loom]

Thor, Athena, Anubus, etc
Yep. Worship is very normal

[woven cloud]

an entity can be another word for deity. and worshipping entities like demons isn’t unheard of

[pale loom]

Entity is basically just an umbrella term that refers to angel, demons, deities, etc. all at once

Rather than listing them out every time

[full heron]

would someone rlly go as far as worshipping a demon or an "entity" for something

[pale loom]

Yup

I do

[queen stone]

Something I don’t think is real, but I have no idea because I’m not educated on this entire type of stuff is resurrection spells

[woven cloud]

uh yes, plenty people here do and Vivian just said-

yeah

[full heron]

that dont exist

[queen stone]

I figured

[pale loom]

Oh yeah no ressurection type stuff is fiction

[full heron]

maybe an entity can fuck with you and appear as a dead person

but its not rlly them

[queen stone]

But I can speak to the dead?

Have any of you guys spoken to the dead?

[woven cloud]

yep via divination or other methods

[pale loom]

Yeah you can speak with their spirits

[queen stone]

Wtats divination

What’s

[full heron]

id say no and if it happen then its just a demon but thats just me

[woven cloud]

i’m gonna point you to #1114060085224808468 again /lh

[full heron]

what does /lh mean

[woven cloud]

because we are here to help, you also have to seek the information for yourself /gen

./lighthearted from #✨tone-tags

[queen stone]

Well, I was at the beginning of resources, but it was kind of hard to understand because so many people were saying so many different things

And it just seemed to keep varying

[full heron]

probably because everyone thinks he is right

[pale loom]

Spirituality is very individualized and everyone has their own thoughts and beliefs on things so you're gonna hear a lot of differing opinions

[queen stone]

I just want someone’s opinions on things that they’ve done with successful outcomes

[woven cloud]

Well like with any source, there are gonna be different bias because of different experiences ^ That’s why you cross reference with other sources to see what is a common agreement

[queen stone]

And when I say successful, I mean it actually happened

I see

[pale loom]

It's ok to have different beliefs as long as you're not invalidating/disrespecting someone else's just because it's not what you believe or hurting other people because of what you believe

[full heron]

everytime i try doing magic i feel guilt and sometimes i hear voices or feel weird then i stop and say im not going as low as asking for help from demons

[woven cloud]

But we’ve all, minus Caesar, said that our spells have worked. However I don’t know how 3 people are gonna convince you one way or another /lh Because you don’t have to believe us

Magic isn’t coming directly from demons unless you believe it so

[queen stone]

I really don’t wanna sound stupid or be laughed at but what kind of supernatural stuff do you believe in most of you guys anyway some people range from just witches to vampires to werewolves and you know there’s always “evidence” for each supernatural being

[pale loom]

We can't really dictate what you should or shouldn't believe and we can't really portray spirituality as fact because it's not. It's a matter of belief

[full heron]

i just follow my heart man

[queen stone]

What’s some facts you have to go off then I just really wanna learn

[full heron]

i go with whatever convinces me the most

[pale loom]

Well I can safely say, as a witch, those are real lol

[queen stone]

OK, so which is real vampires? Werewolves?

[pale loom]

There are energy vampires, but what you see on TV is not real

[queen stone]

I’ve always wanted to be immortal. I know how weird that sounds but there’s so much of the world. I wanna see I wanna see it come I wanna see it go wanna see generations and generations of people

[woven cloud]

Supernatural doesn’t necessarily mean we believe in such just because we’re witches. As Fish said linked here #1114765283446497333 message movie magic is wayyyy different than modern magic

[full heron]

personally id say its best to avoid it or convince urself its fake or harmful thats what im trying to do

[woven cloud]

saying it’s harmful is misinformation

[full heron]

thats just my opinion then

[woven cloud]

Someone is here to genuinely learn. We’ve said you’re free to believe how you want, but let Kayleb ask his questions

[full heron]

we are here to discuss not argue

[woven cloud]

immortality unfortunately isn’t real

[queen stone]

Honestly, I don’t know if I think it’s not real think about all the stuff that gets hidden from us probably by government or whatever they will probably never get to know. I don’t know if I’m not allowed to say that in here but that’s just my thoughts.

[full heron]

k then ill keep it to myself

💙

[pale loom]

Basically take pretty much anything about spirituality or the Supernatural that you learned from pop culture and toss it out the window lol
The vast majority of it is fiction

[queen stone]

Yeah, I think most stuff is fiction. You guys are probably right.

So much media and TV shows probably gives a large majority of misconception

[full heron]

my country is infamous for magic

[queen stone]

Really???

[full heron]

yes in the middle east

[queen stone]

That’s so cool

[woven cloud]

for me, magic is about energetic give and take. like you give a certain energy out into the world and ask for the universe to give you some sort of energy back

[queen stone]

Am I allowed opinions in here?

[queen stone]

I believe this

[woven cloud]

Opinions that do not put someone else’s down yeah

oh please keep our #🪻rules in mind, this should be spoilered

[queen stone]

Do you guys believe the Salem witch trials were true my opinion is that they were little girls telling talltales but I do believe whiches are real obviously

[full heron]

my bad

[pale loom]

The Salem trials (and the other witch trials) weren't about witches, but rather about controlling women and especially women of color

[full heron]

i apologised man you dont have to warn me

[woven cloud]

^ and the fact that the trials are literally written in history

[craggy ferry]

its just a digital record /lh dw

[queen stone]

I believe that too

[pale loom]

If you have questions or concerns about moderation actions, please DM @onyx topaz to speak directly with staff

[full heron]

what does /lh mean

[woven cloud]

#✨tone-tags i’ve said it means /Light Hearted

it’s to convey tone through text

[pale loom]

.

[full heron]

my bad

anyways yall have a nice day ill head off

also I apologise for any accidental rule breaking stuff I did

[woven cloud]

You’re fine /gen It happens, we just have to keep track of everything some way

[queen stone]

What’s peoples opinion on time travel?

[pale loom]

Also fiction

Unfortunately

[woven cloud]

totally could be real tho just no way to prove it 🤔

[queen stone]

Really? I believe as of right now it might be, but you never think it could possibly be a thing in the future through science or wormholes?

[full heron]

scientifically in theory it might be possible i think but applied yeah most likely impossible

[queen stone]

Aliens? I believe them to be real? You guys?

[pale loom]

Not sure tbh
But even if it ever were to become possible, I probably won't be around to see it so I don't think about it very often

[craggy ferry]

also things like the butterfly effect and the time travel paradox

[queen stone]

I respect it!

[queen stone]

The butterfly effect that keeps me up

[pale loom]

I believe aliens are real because, statistically, the idea that we're the only sapient species in the universe sounds less plausible than the idea of aliens

[queen stone]

Who knows but I respect it

[craggy ferry]

yup

[queen stone]

Agreed

We can’t be the only thing out there, there has to be more

[craggy ferry]

also, when we look out into other planets outside we see them thousands to millions of years before so we may never even know

[queen stone]

That’s why I want to live forever, I wish I knew all the answers

[craggy ferry]

there are so many planets that have the possibility of having life and so many in their own systems that are in the goldilocks zone

[mystic root]

Heyy is there anyone willing to talk to me on dm? I have questions on a practice im trying to achieve, I'm completely new to this!

[iron arch]

Is “over using” cards a thing?

I dont want to accidentally do that

[pure pewter]

I know there is such a thing called over reading where you ask about the same topic/situation again and again and again

[pale loom]

I've also found that if you ask a deck a bunch of stuff, the deck might get tired and just start spitting out nonsense

[iron arch]

Ah alright, good to know..

[rancid cobalt]

can someone help me find out what my tarot cards mean???
I was researching dutch mythology and deities and kept shivering, i felt like i should ask my tarot cards (about what the entities/deities though about me researching them) and i got the high priesteress reversed and the 6 of wands reversed
I'm a bit worried?

[normal ginkgo]

Have you read the guidebook included with the deck/looked online at meanings of those cards in relation to the question you asked?

[rancid cobalt]

yeah, the high priesteress revesered basically meantheart journey, spiritual or fysical love, general knowlegde (basic translation)
And for the 6 of wands it said opening the gates for an enemy, fear, worry and betrayal
the 6 of wands is the one im worried about

[normal ginkgo]

And what question did you ask your deck?

[rancid cobalt]

what the deities/entities thought about me researching them

most of the time my cards are a bit pessimistic, so i was surprised when i got the high priesteress reversed

[normal ginkgo]

Typically the reversed high priestess means a lack of intuition or something is being repressed while rev 6 of wands has feelings of being unrecognized/passed upon - though i'll go off your meanings

Perhaps they are enjoying your research but maybe not of something specific? Or something was missed and they feel it wasn't fair?

[rancid cobalt]

i really need to find some more websites on the meaning of the cards, the manual i got has like very short and basic discriptions (it said so itself)

[rancid cobalt]

maybe, I'll try asking my cards some more wuestions and my pendulum, thanks for this though, it made me sm less worried 😭

[ashen falcon]

(I'm not here) https://biddytarot.com/tarot-card-meanings/

[normal ginkgo]

^^
Your own intuition also plays a good role, good/bad feelings aren't always for nothing

[rancid cobalt]

tyyy! i believe i saw this in the divination recouces, was planning on looking at them! (we didnt see you lol)

[normal ginkgo]

Biddy or Labrin always got the tarot readers back

[rancid cobalt]

:), i am really afraid of disrespecting deities though, I have tons of intrussive thoughts and some have been about (greek) deities and im like no dont do that?? so im like constantly worried lol-

[normal ginkgo]

I think there's very few deities who can really piss off unintentionally, they may be distant or high-horse-spoken but generally are very understanding of mortal customs and limitations

[rancid cobalt]

Haiii! how do i find out what the gods personality are like? should i ask my cards or are there any good recources on this? i would love to know more of a deity before worshipping them, and anytime i look it up online i only find what their domians were?

Also, another question, when i was looking into dutch mythology i found germanic gods, and after some more looking around i found out norse mythology is a category of germanic mythology, can anyone confirm or give me some clearity? :D

[normal ginkgo]

For personalities this may depend on your connection with then, just talking to them through your preferred methods can do so much more than someone's retelling
Mythos are often a coin flip since it isn't meant to be taken literally

If the deity has epithets (aphrodite is a common example; war, love/romance and the sea are very different aspects) they may interact differently based on which you call to / if any

[rancid cobalt]

Ohh alright! Do you know anything about the relation of germanic and Norse?

[pale loom]

I do! The pantheons are very simular and the gods often get conflated/seen as the same beings just with different names. It's actually kinda tricky to fins resources for the Germanic versions without running into Norse stuff

[iron arch]

Baack with paranoid questionnnss….any advices or stuff i should know about before praying to Lord Zeus.? It’s thundering and it reminded me of him,

And im kinda intimidated to be honest i dont wanna mess up

[pale loom]

Just do what feels comfortable

[willow onyx]

can i be christian and a witch?

[ashen falcon]

yup!

[willow onyx]

thank you!

sorry if that was a bad question

[distant cape]

never a "bad" questions :)

[willow onyx]

tehe

ok

[rancid cobalt]

does anyone know any good books on basic witchcraft (mostly looking for protection) and or books of hellenic polytheism/worshipping deities?

[ashen falcon]

By Rust of Nail & Prick of Thorn by Althaea Sebastiani is my favorite rec for protection basics!

when it comes to worship there are different ways to do so for different pantheons and different ability levels.

would suggest #1114061252247945320 for hellenic polytheism

[ashen falcon]

ah sorry forgot to ping ^

[rancid cobalt]

no worries, and thank you!!

[fallow smelt]

I just got my first tarot cards!!! It comes with a few other things too like a book on what each card means and a journal to right down stuff, along with a card holder!! Is there anything I have to do to/with them before I start using them? I want to make sure I do this right the first time 😭🙏

[pure pewter]

Usually people cleanse their deck and then connect with it !

[fallow smelt]

How would I do that if you don't mind me asking?

[stable shard]

wowie!! awesome! congrats on getting your first deck, i bet its exciting! i would personally cleanse mine, i do it by harnessing cleansing energy from a particular source and blowing gently on the cards with my breath, but there are many ways to do it!

[pure pewter]

By sleeping with the deck under the pillow, carrying it around, and doing some kind of "meeting the deck" tarot pull

[ashen falcon]

#1114061678963855410 message beep boop :D

[fallow smelt]

Thank you all of yall!! ^^

[ashen falcon]

hope you enjoy your divination journey!

[fallow smelt]

I'm sure I will!! :3

[ashen falcon]

i will typically cleanse a deck by knocking on it like i would a door, this knocks the former energy out of the deck while also "waking it up" i then will do a interview with it! (love these spreads #1114061678963855410 message)

and to bond i love doing mundane things like sleeping with it near me, watching movies and pulling cards to see what they think, or even just pulling cards for gossip lol

[pure pewter]

Ive been reconnecting with my own tarot deck myself, it's so funnn !

Doing daily cards is so helpful also ! Mostly to get into the habit of pulling card and getting familiar with the deck's energy

[stable shard]

ive just restarted doing daily pulls myself and its given me great insight on how to tackle the day today, i really recommend it too!

[fallow smelt]

This is all super helpful! Yall are awesome 😭🙏

[ashen falcon]

[light lichen]

Has anyone ever felt like information was placed into your mind rather than you learning something?
This happens to me a lot.
Like I have in no way done anything to know what this is, yet I do know. I just follow what the very back of my mind tells me to do and
It works.
Whatever I was trying to do.
It works.

[rancid cobalt]

could i try to speak to deities trhough my pendulum/tarot cards without worshipping them, and just ask them questions about themself/ask how they would feel about me worshipping them ect?
(first i want to set up some wards, cleanse my space and read some more about vetting but was just curious lol)

[ashen falcon]

you could ig but vetting and other stuff should come before entity communication imo

its why we call it the basics of communication

you could tho not everyone even interacts with deities on a worshiping type of level and only work with them

[ashen falcon]

sometimes! for me its less know like knowledge of the studying type but i have claircognizance which means i can clearly know something and that extends to me knowing some stuff

of course with this you should 100% cross check and double check things before doing them because some things can be dangerous if you arent careful

[rancid cobalt]

i've heard about worshipping and working with, but what would be the difference? is it like working towards a goal, for example bettering your witchcraft?

[ashen falcon]

Worshipping would be a non-transactional relationship: you arent asking for anything in return for your acts of devotion, you give offerings and other things as a form of building a bond with them, not for acts of service.

Working would be transactional: you give your offerings or acts or whatever as a form of payment for their help in your life (that being in your craft or something else)

of course this is just how i view that and how i make that difference

[bold umbra]

Hi

[ashen falcon]

hello

[bold umbra]

I'm trying to come up with a witchy name but im out of ideas

[ashen falcon]

i also use the term "payment" lightly

its more like "hi could you help out with this test? ill give you this chocolate"

thats working

[bold umbra]

Is Deity worship ok for beginnera

[rancid cobalt]

that makes sense! i think i would want to do kinda like a mix of the two? I dont always need something back, i would love to worship them, make a bond, just chat and get their opinions on stuff. Altough i would love to sometimes get a deities support, guidance in how to better my craft, or maybe some luck on a test ect!

[ashen falcon]

worship is like "hey have this chocolate"

yeah most relationships are a mix!

i do both and have both available to me for all my deitites i just start with worship first bc i like that bond

[ashen falcon]

anyone at any age can worship a god

[rancid cobalt]

ahh alright, yeah no i'd love to do both! just cant decide on what deity i want to start with, i have some weird things that happened which idk if they're signs or manifestation but i did notice it

[ashen falcon]

would maybe check pinterest ? they have a bunch of name lists

[rancid cobalt]

oehh cool! how many deities do you work with/worship?

[rancid cobalt]

haiiI! :D

[bold umbra]

I thought I had a connection with Apollo but after seeing so many baby witches choosing Apollo Im not ao sure anymore 😭

[ashen falcon]

oof like upwards of 25?

[bold umbra]

Hi :p

[ashen falcon]

you can still work with apollo

apollo seems to be having a worship boom

[bold umbra]

yeah Idk why

[ashen falcon]

and you dont "need a connection" to worship him

[rancid cobalt]

oh wow thats a lot lol, do you have altars for each of them, shared altars? :D

[ashen falcon]

a mix of both!

[bold umbra]

I think I worded jt wrong idk its 1 am

Is tarot hard to learn

[rancid cobalt]

i also saw a ton about hermes (?) imitating appolo-

[ashen falcon]

i have a rotating deity list in that some of my deities only show up for interactions around specifc seasons!

Hermes is a stinker sometimes lol hes the resident greek trickester god

[ashen falcon]

depends on you and your learning style

[bold umbra]

I found a cute tarot pack on sale and it sounds fun

[rancid cobalt]

i started tarot like a week ago and in my experience its not that hard :)
oh also i would reccomend to look up other manuals about the cards their meanings, i read mine wrong once and it scared the shit out of me lol

[ashen falcon]

i dont think you did, im moreso just saying that if your interested in apollo you dont need to "feel a connection" to create that bond! you can work with anyone thats not from a closed religion

[rancid cobalt]

lol :D

[bold umbra]

Oof

[rancid cobalt]

thats cool!!

[bold umbra]

Tarot is like very common here and I thought it was just a scam 😭 Christian brainwashing be like

[ashen falcon]

like rn my winter season list contains: Moranna (slavic goddess) Cailleach (celtic goddess) Hades (hes always around but during winter he is moreso i think bc hes happy for persephone

[bold umbra]

Oh i cant send images

[ashen falcon]

ah yeah you arent level 3! you gain levels by chatting

[bold umbra]

Ah

Ia Magicka a good booj

Its like 25 dollars including shipping on Amazon

[ashen falcon]

is "la magicka" the title?

[bold umbra]

I did surveys for AGES and finally got 20 dollars

[bold umbra]

no just magicka

by Carlota Santos

[rancid cobalt]

i didnt expect different deities showing up during different motnhs, i would've guessed based on the situation-
Did you ever have a deity wich normally doesnt interact during for example summer, show up and surprise you??

[ashen falcon]

this one?

[bold umbra]

Saw it on tiktok and it looks pretty and easy enough for my brain to process

[bold umbra]

yeah

[ashen falcon]

yeah! aine has been popping up a bunch this season

[rancid cobalt]

also, would i be able to share some signs/manifestations (the weird things i mentioned earlier) with you both and get some more opinions on them??

[bold umbra]

I dont know anything but sure

I just realized all of my favorite gods start with A

Apollo Aphrodite Anubis

All of my favorite names atart with A

Do I just like the letter A

[ashen falcon]

so she:

1. uses the terms white and black magic which are rooted in racism. this book was published in 2023 and this has been an issue for a while so she either doesnt care or didnt do research
2. she also uses terms like smudging and smudge sticks while not being native american (again this has been a long lasting issue and she either didnt do research or doesnt care)
   and 3) all of the info in the book is pretty basic which can be nice but because it tries to do so much it can make it so a lot of important information gets missed because she is trying to fit in more than what she can explain thoroughly and with nuance

[rancid cobalt]

anubis! i was very interested in him for a while, it kinda faded but its still there :D

[bold umbra]

Oh oof

[ashen falcon]

overall not the worst book but it definately is important to cross reference

there are... much worse lol

[bold umbra]

I was on the paymemt page 😭

[ashen falcon]

sure!

[bold umbra]

Yeah he looks so cool

[bold umbra]

Which one should I get

[ashen falcon]

we have lists in #1114060085224808468

[bold umbra]

It has to have pretty pictures

[ashen falcon]

not sure about the pretty pictures lol

im more interested in accurate knowledge than how nice it looks tbh

one with a lovely typeset is Spellbound by Chaewon Koo but that book is about her personal journey and can be quite confusing if you are brand new

like ugh

genuinely such a lovely book but yeah can be difficult in terms of concepts

and she has... interesting views on AI and NFTs/block chains but overall was one i enjoyed

[rancid cobalt]

there are like 7 lol

1. i have a tutor on the most difficult subject i have and i really didnt want to have one that night (a few weeks ago) (also i complained out loud abt this-), my tutor texts me that they are sick
2. right after that, i complained to my mom about not wanting to go to biology (the day after 1). in the morning i see the teacher is sick and there were unable to find a replacement
3. i talk with my mom about one of my friends not standing with us at break, the next day poof he stands with us again, out of nowhere?
4. i am writing down my dream, i had an axe as a weapon and when im writing that, a song from my playlist names ' my axe ' plays, strange okay, then i wonder why i ||harmed someone with the axe, the song 'hurting people' || starts playing
5. i wonder about how to get in contact with deities, and out of nowhere i get tons of explanation videos (could be the algorithm but before i wondered it they never showed me explanation videos)
6. the last one which happened yesterday, i had to lock the gate but it was raining, i turn around, say that its raining and i i didnt want to get wet, i go outside anyways and it stops raining??
7. i suddenly see tons of cats (after being sad about not having a cat), i say out loud that i'd love to see more cats and i keep seeing them :D

not sure if any of these qualify as signs, but they're still strange lol

OH tw for talking about harming others (in a dream)

[ashen falcon]

so these could all be a mix of both

the one about videos can very much be algorithm if you have recently been searching and researching anything deity related.

sometimes its also important (especially like the cat one) that you can sometime start noticing things that you previously wouldnt once you start talking about it. like for ex: i mentioned wanting a jeep to my mom and now i see them everywhere and its because subconsciously i now know that i want one so my brain notices them when they are around more frequently.

the weather one is probably something that may have been coming for a long time

again these can all have a bit of both mundane and magical influence

[rancid cobalt]

very much agree on the video thing

I dont think the cat thing would my brain only noticing after that, because i've always been obsessed with cats and whenever im able to stop to pet them, i hadnt seen cats in a while before (winter prolly) and all off a sudden see like 4 in one day (after that more) but yeah, dont know what it could be but sits strange

and yeah maybe you're right about the weather one, it just seemed weird, it was raning and hailing almost all day and when i complain it stops? could also very much be the weather, its very unpredictable here lmao

[ashen falcon]

again these can all have both meanings which is what i like to establish for any sign/thing i see

[rancid cobalt]

i hope some of them are signs tho, or manifestations, that would be pretty cool :D

[bold umbra]

Shes Korean?

[ashen falcon]

like how and what would cause this mundanely then looking towards a magical explination

[rancid cobalt]

yeah

[ashen falcon]

yes i believe so

[bold umbra]

Huh

[ashen falcon]

why?

[bold umbra]

I'm Korean and there really arent western styke witches here

I moght be able to find that one in my local library

[ashen falcon]

i think shes korean-american

[bold umbra]

Ah... well thata not good

[ashen falcon]

yeah its near the back of the book and i can sort of see where she was going with her point but i personally disagree with the use of them entirely'

[bold umbra]

It's 1:30 so I'm gonna go to sleep bye thanks for the help

[bold umbra]

what kimd of scenaeio requires AI and NFT on a magic book

[ashen falcon]

https://www.tiktok.com/@chaweonkoo she also has a tiktok if you want to check that out

[ashen falcon]

shes someone that practices tech magic which can include that type of content

[bold umbra]

I scrolled once and see chat gpt

[ashen falcon]

her book strives to bring what we have in modern day together with her familial and ancestral practices

[bold umbra]

Yeah I dont think shes for me but thanka for suggesting

[ashen falcon]

you dont have to read it /lh

[bold umbra]

Anyway good night or morning or whatever time it is

[ashen falcon]

good timezone

[ashen falcon]

just wanted to note that in that video shes talking about how chatgpt messed up her astrology readings not that you should use it

[rancid cobalt]

also, i asked my cards how they would feel about me worshipping a deity, and i got upright 9 of swords and reversed 8 of swords, which from what i've found meant, sadness, failure, hopelessness, anxiety, stress, difficulty and betrayal, does anyone have any idea on why it could give me that? (i gathered that from the sites given in divination recources and my own manual)

(sorry for just stopping to respond btw, i had go to for a bit-)

[ashen falcon]

it could be that with you being so new to this whole thing that holding off on deity worship until your in a space where you arent going to worry or over stress about every interaction you have with said deity may be best. but also that this is a decision for you to make not the cards

personally i think its a matter of saying "you arent quite ready yet but you also need to do this for yourself not worry about what I think, as that can be self-limiting"

[rancid cobalt]

alright ty!! my cards are pretty pesimistic tho, like dont get me wrong i love them, but i dont feel like its energy and mine go well with each other? I'm looking to get a cat tarot deck, but I dont want to replace this one lol

[ashen falcon]

it could also be that it doesnt like reading on specifc things either.

one of my decks doesnt like to talk about or be used for anything deity related at all and if it do it will throw out such funky cards

[rancid cobalt]

ohh alright, i usually get more negative answers, it did tell me it was alright with watching movies/shows with me, but doesn't like the shows/movies and gives pretty mean cards abt them lol

i wanted to order these, anything else anyone reccomends me to get, any stuff anyone recommends me to not get?

[ashen falcon]

that all seems relatively okay

i personally dont rec getting crystals from amazon due to unethical mining practices and not knowing if they are real or not but other than that it looks fine

[rancid cobalt]

alright then ill remove those :) i am going to look for some other stuff to replace that with tho (herbs, drief flowers, altar cloth, those things :D)

[mystic root]

Hi yall!

Today’s reading talking about letting go of negative energy. Anyone have any recommendations on how to ?

Going through a divorce and I’m feel no more anger but I wanna make sure I am cleansed and free

[ashen falcon]

you can do a sort of cleansing ritual

[mystic root]

How? Do you have a resource or site I can see reference? Or what’s your experience if you don’t mind sharing

[ashen falcon]

tbh i just shower

the water acts as a form of cleansing and while i am doing my routine i make sure to let everything negative wash away as well

[iron arch]

Hey i got a question, can everyone have a patron deity or is it uncommon?? Since i’ve seen people say they’ve known their patron deity since childhood and stuff and i feel like it’s so hard to discover one

[ashen falcon]

patron deities are something that require both you and the deity to agree upon. its not something that is inherent but instead is a realtionship that you and them decide on together based on how you both feel about the realtionship you currently have and after properly understanding what a patron deities role in your life will consist of

so everyone has the potential for a relationship like that but its not guaranteed

A patron is a life long commitment in that they will be in your life and that could extend to future lives or be an indication of a past life (if you believe in that)

you can also have multiple patrons.

[mystic root]

How do you initiate such relationship

[thorn pumice]

You don't need one at all! I don't practice too much, so i wouldn't give myself that title of practitioner, since I mostly interested in just learning and studying versus actually practicing, but when I do I usually choose any God from any Pantheon that matches my current needs. Call me Godfluid. Lol.

[ashen falcon]

through time and patience and communication

its not one you can just do you need to build up to that

[mystic root]

Ahhh okayy! Thanks!

[rancid cobalt]

Can someone help with this?
I asked my cards what they thought of the gateway tapes since they scare me/make me very uncomfy.
I got, 5 of pentacles, ace of swords and reversed knight of cups (in that order)

I write down the Meanings in my journal but still don't rlly know what my deck means?

[ashen falcon]

well it could be echoing your fear in the first card, setting the idea that they are a new sort of concept for them, but that ultimately if they cause not nice feelings in you, then dont interact with them

[rancid cobalt]

Alright, ty :)

Also, I saw a fly fly across my room a bit ago, witch is strange because I haven't had my window open in a while (rain) and they can't into my room.
I asked my pendulum a couple of things and got this:
Someone send the fly, I am not talking to my pendulum anymore, I got a sarcastic no when I asked if they could stop messing with me, the one messing with me doesn't want me to know who it is
Also I sprayed the fly with bugspray, and it like keeping coming back and making sound whenever I talk about it- T-T

It would be funny but also kinda scary if an entity did this to me as like a reaching out/sign
But I'm afraid I read my pendulum wrong or stm-

(Alsp I confirmed the sarcastic no, it was a weak one and when I asked if that was meant sarcastic I got a very strong yes lol)

[rancid cobalt]

Could this have been anything or am I just dululu? Lol

[light lichen]

Sometimes we look into things too much, and that is okay. It's a normal part of being human. It sounds like you are worried about a entity causing you distress?
Id say it's never a bad idea to cleanse and protect your space.
It could be nothing, it could be something. Cleansing is a good habit to get into anyways!

[rancid cobalt]

Yeah could be... I'm scared I'll overlook things so maybe I look into stuff too much
I've cleansed my space already today!

But why would my pendulum give me answers like that? I am always scared I'll force my answers so really do best not to

[ashen falcon]

hmmm if you have the feeling something else "took over" your pendulum it could have been something like an entity in which case you can do a reading for it

off the top of my head:

• Flies
• being a little shit (scarcasm)
• and hijacking your stuff
  point in my opinion to Loki

[rancid cobalt]

I was thinking of him or another deity who's name I can't remember rn-
But yeah I'm not 100% since I haven't been doing this for long, but I got stronger answers and different than normal, and I kinda just felt like it wasn't my pendulum?
I will do a reading on it tmmr since I'm going to sleep now, ty!

[iron arch]

Oh i did not see that, sorry!! Thanks for the advice though!

[rancid cobalt]

so i wanted to do the reading today, i have my stuff ready and this is what im going to do

• wash my hands
• clean and cleanse my space
• ask my pendulum and tarot cards some non related stuff
• ask my tarot and pendulum these questions #1114061636744007720 message
• write the answers down in my journal bc i have the memory of a goldfish
• then i want to figure out if that deity would like to work with me, and if so tmmr i'll buy some extra stuff for my altar related to that deity! (i know altars aren't necessary but i like having one :D )

Any advice, tips or things i should add?

oh also i like making cardboard animals, so if the deity does want to work with me i'm making one of those for them :3

[rancid cobalt]

okay so i did this, found out i was talking to more than one deity, one is norse and one is greek. I found out the norse deity is indeed Loki :D
Are there any symbols for them i can for example carve into their candle?

[ashen falcon]

you could look into runes and use ones that translate to her name!

[rancid cobalt]

thank you! also ive seen people use a lot of different pronouns for loki, which ones do they use??

[ashen falcon]

Loki is a shapeshifter in lore so some people (like me) use multiple.

Some only use he/him and others use they/them. I use she/he/they

[rancid cobalt]

ahh alright, i did ask loki about his pronouns and got a she/he/they, but i wanted to get a different opinion since i dont really trust my pendulum that much?

[ashen falcon]

that's fair I use them all bc he's a funky gal lol

[rancid cobalt]

i have a feeling im doing something wrong, when i was asking about the greek deities personality i got the emperor and asked through my pendulum if it was meant to be reversed, it answered with yes, but after a left for a bit, came back and looked up the meaning, my intuition said it was meant to be upright, so i asked again and got that it was indeed meant to be upright??
also my tarot cards still dont really like me talking to deities through them (im getting new ones this wednesday tho-)

any advice?

I still want to ask more questions to the greek deity, but im a bit tired and thats when things go kinda wrong. I'm going to look up which deity has that card as a symbol and maybe some keyboard divination? again, any advice is very welcome!

[rancid cobalt]

I carved her name in runes on her candle!! I think it looks pretty nice :D

[ashen falcon]

awe!

[rancid cobalt]

Two more pictures, added some buttons :D

(and glitters)

[gleaming dagger]

Hey so a random member my step dads auntie (who I’m not even rembering and not sure I met her) randomly texts him saying “ I hope you guys are good I found (my name spelled wrongly) in my spirits” And his side of the family some people are spiritual but I’m not too sure what this means that she found me but I do have a cold rn too, but yeah she just randomly texted that without even knowing and I’m not too sure if it’s about my cold (cuz this never happened before when I had a cold) I didn’t interact with her recently again I don’t know her

[rancid cobalt]

I'm going to the city later today, van I bring my protection potion with me? Or should I leave it here? (If I can't I have a protection sigil carved in wax I can take with me)

[ashen falcon]

I mean I don't see why not

[robust prairie]

Hey so, is it a thing to be better at some practices (eg pendulum work, and etc) than others? I mean in a way where you feel more connected or focused than when doing other kinds (sorry if it's a silly question!!)

[woven cloud]

hii would you be able to change your name to the standard discord font? fonts aren’t accessible by those who use screen readers

as for you question, yes def a thing!

[robust prairie]

Okk and ty!! (Is this better?)

[woven cloud]

yeah thanks!

[robust prairie]

Np :3

[rancid cobalt]

so i've continued asking tarot cards about the greek deity from yesterday, I got the emperor upright, the king of swords upright and the high priest reversed
i noticed they were all males in a higher position, and all the meaning are generally friendly.
I'm going to continue asking and if you have any ideas on who it might be let me know!!

[rancid cobalt]

can someone help me? im looking up meanings of the hierophant/high priest. my manual says positive things, whilst the other meaning im looking at are generally negative??

[pale loom]

Is it possibly an upright vs reversed thing

I say that. That card actually has a few different ways people often interpret ut

I usually read it as very tradition based with some added vibes of like spiritual advisor or educator. It can also represent authority

Reversed it can mean things ranging from breaking out of tradition all the way to oppression

[rancid cobalt]

oh really? the manual i got with is says: declaring peace, understanding, overfriendlyness and social

and the other site i looked at said freedom and personal beliefs
but the more negative ones do indeed look like what you said

[pale loom]

Like I said different people will have different interpretations of the cards and that's where your own judgement and intuition come in

[rancid cobalt]

ty! i believe my intuition says that the negative ones dont apply here, ill ask the deity himself through my pendulum in a bit :D

[pale loom]

Good idea!

[rancid cobalt]

okay so, my list of suspects are: Zeus, Hermes, Poseidon(?), and Apollo
he has confirmed he is on the list and i think ill continue tomorrow, I want to get some sleep and am not ready to go down a rabbit hole trying to figure out who of the four he is and then researching his mythology, ty for the help!! ( ill probs be back here tmmr lol)

[pale loom]

If I had to guess I would say Zeus cause that's where more of the cards you mentioned point in my opinion

But yes sleep
Divination is much easier when rested

[bold umbra]

Hellooo

[bold umbra]

Oh nice

[coarse badger]

I have a spell candle lit (I'm not concentrating on the flame but don't worry, I'm in the same room and ready to put it out if things get too wild) and idk if I'm imagining it, but I definitely feel a sort of energy/presence in the room. It's freaking me out a bit tbh, but it could just be cause I grew up Christian and was raised to believe witchcraft was evil, or because my own insecurities make me wonder if I deserve the results

But honestly, if I feel something, then it's probably working

[ashen falcon]

it very well could be! how people feel energy is fairly different but if you believe that it is at least successful then I would say that is a good sign!

if you feel like the presents or energy is negative in any way I would highly suggest cleansing maybe putting your spell on hold for a bit and placing wards if needed

[coarse badger]

The flame is quite big and flickering a lot even though there's no draft. Idk if that means anything but I'm definitely keeping an eye on it for fire safety purposes.

It's a new candle and it's a taper one that stands upright, so there was no opportunity for wax impurities or wick mushrooming

I don't really think the energy is negative, just unfamiliar since I'm new to it

[light ferry]

I FIGURED OUT HOW TO USE THINGS sort of! Hi!!!!

Does anyone here work with Hecate, too, baby witch or not..?

[ashen falcon]

yeah! I love hekate

[light ferry]

EEEEEEEEEEE, how is it to work with her? Do you have an altar? Do you pray? How does one communicate? Abcdefg? 🤓🫡🫠😭

[ashen falcon]

(all UPG)
she's fairly stern but not in like an overbaring way.

I do have an altar she currently shares with nyx until I get another shelf

I don't pray all that often bc I forget lol

and I communicate a bunch of ways

[rancid cobalt]

okay so, i just lit loki's candle on his altar, and i moved some stuff in my room (my coutch and some storage) whilst doing doing i accidentally knocked some stuff off the altar but apologized and put it back
i asked if she liked how it is now and the candle started flickering like crazy, its not doing so anymore. Im not very familiar with candle divination and i've heard its not the best.

Why would the candle be flickering? when i look at it is starts for a bit and then stops, do i apologize more for the altar stuff?? (ik it isnt the wind bc i wasn't near it and still am not)

[distant cape]

i take a candle flickering (when i talk to my ancestors) as just them just responding :)

im sure if you apologized and fixed it up it wouldn't be a problem

[rancid cobalt]

thank you, it scared me like crazy T-T
maybe the response it a bit 'chaotic' because he is the deity of chaos/mischief lol

[robust prairie]

So.. Has anyone ever heard of a Deity/God or Goddess wanting to go by a different name than what they are usually called? (This goes with items, Animals and etc) mine is Dionysus wanting to be called "Pendulum" or "Pendulus",, like is it normal.. Am I being tricked or is it just a rare occurrence?

[pale loom]

I mean some deities prefer alternate names when being talked about in spaces they're not comfortable with

Like someone I work with prefers to be called Serpent when I'm talking about him with people I don't necessarily trust

[robust prairie]

Hmm, well he just prefers to be called that in general, and could you be more specific, like the actual space, the meditation space (if that's a thing lol) , or just the overall energy?

[pale loom]

Oh I mean like with other people so like here on discord, there's only a select group of people he and I are comfortable with using his name with

[robust prairie]

Ohh kk ty ty!!!

[pale loom]

No prob!

[light lichen]

Hi Hi
Real quick
I heard from a practitioner that they make Hex oil far in advance
Basically they get chili oil and chop up some peppers and SHAKE THAT MOFO when they are upset.
I don't really
Know if I will ever use hex oil
In like an actual hex
Maybe!
Idk!
Too early to tell!
But I've heard it's good in wards to have there be a consequence if a line is crossed.
I just
Is this a good idea? Having hex oil on hand just in case? Or it is like
Keeping negative energy around?

[ashen falcon]

so it depends on your beliefs. like I own a hex oil but I actually do hexes.

and there is no requirement for wards so long as there's something that keep you safe if you feel comfortable with having baneful wards or wards with consequences then you can do that but there's no necessarily good or bad way to do wards

[bold umbra]

I asked if I'll be a good witch and the cards gave me this what 😭

I have no idea what the middle one is supposed to be

I dont feel like this deck is elaborating with me

[stable shard]

to be fair asking "am i good witch" is pretty vague and theres a lot of room for the cards to interpret it different than you might intend. /gen in my experience its better to ask pointed but not overtly specific questions that allow the cards to let you interpret their meaning rather than the cards trying to interpret what you mean if that makes sense.

maybe try something like "in what areas will i be the most strong/confident spiritually?" and also may be worth it to cleanse your deck if you havent already!

also i personally like to go for one card per question and i only really do multiple cards if im asking multiple questions to avoid any confusion. since the deck only has a fixed set of answers it can give you, it cant really give you three of the exact same answers to a question since it doesnt have them

sorry if im explaining all this bad its 1 am 😭

[bold umbra]

OH i was going with past present future

[stable shard]

ohhh my bad!! the middle card might be the 8 of pentacles? the number in the bottom left reads 8 and im just assuming since the curtains in the back have pentacles on them. do you have access to the guidebook that came with your deck?

or perhaps know the name of it?

[bold umbra]

I did some googling and I'm guessing the page of Cups means I havent really been taking witch craft seriously in the past, more like a hobby or a fun craft

[bold umbra]

theguide is missing

[bold umbra]

Oh I read it as 13 and got confused ty

wow this is scarily correct

I am in terrible health 😭

[stable shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTPQquJew_0 oh this may be helpful as a reference for the future !! i didnt watch through it but it seems to be a quick walkthrough for the whole deck

i hope youre able to get a better understanding of the reading and it will help you move forward with your craft in productive ways 🫶

and i hope your health improves!!

[bold umbra]

ty!

[rancid cobalt]

I love that deck! I also have a cat tarot deck, it's a bit different tho ^^

---

I had a maybe a bit of a weird question?

I am reading by rust of nail and prick of thorn about home warding
I'm reading the part about transient spirits and the books said they might watch you while you're sleeping or peek around corners

It is possible childeren might be able to see them?
Like its said childeren can see ghosts?

Reason I'm asking this is because I used to see large human like figures in the hall or looking into my room when I was supposed to be sleeping, or when it was late out
Or those figures in the corner of my eye
(When I was younger)

My brother is also around that age and tells me he also sees them.

Could that be those spirits or is it something different??

[ashen falcon]

its possible depending on beliefs children might have an eaiser time seeing through the veil because they have more belief it exists

[light ferry]

I myself when growing up saw these tall, shadowy figures. Their outlines made me feel like they were wearing suits. None of them had genders///all of them were ever males that I could see.

In broad daylight as well, and even when I wasn't home.

Just to expand on that, so I definitely also think it's possible.

[mystic root]

hey guys quick question. how do yall thank the universe when you see things starting to fall into place? things happening? I want t o light a candle with eucalyptus oil and herbs but not sure if thats the way....

[ashen falcon]

thats a great way

[pure pewter]

Mmm when i feel compelled to thank the universe i just smile and say thank you outloud or in my head
But also, i do not think of the universe as something i am separated from. If you believe is more of an outside entity this may not resonate

(im not sure compelled is the right word)
What im trying to say is, for me, a genuine thank you feels Like enough, but if you feel like doing more thats great !

Im sorry if im not making sense ive had a loooong day

[ashen falcon]

no your good! i feel similarly! i dont really plan to do a big thing but if i want to i will. i usually say thanks and give thanks as needed

[mystic root]

nooo that makes sense

thankss so muchh

[pure pewter]

Of course !

[mystic root]

i scripted journal but felt I need to do more

im a beginner

[rancid cobalt]

Ty both!

[rancid cobalt]

Any good books on norse mythology? I got mythos by Stephen fry and really like it so far!

I worship/work with Zeus and Loki and can't help but feel like I'm doing less for Loki? I still want to research more about him (also about zeus but I've done more) but I haven't had the time or energy :/

I feel very guilty I haven't been able to do much for Loki, even though I've started drawing him, set up his altar and gave him some offerings-

So any book recs? :D

[ashen falcon]

#1114061187274002514 might have something!

[normal ginkgo]

Ik this guy has a few books the resources section; #1114061187274002514 message

[rancid cobalt]

Ty both!! :D

[rancid cobalt]

Oh also it didnt help when lokis candle went out by it self :/
Like the wick was hanging to low and it got submerged in candle wax but for some reason I feel anxious? Guilty? And I'm not sure about what, I've asked Loki through their pendulum and they're not unhappy with me for accidentally knocking over part of their altar

Oh it also didn't help that I kocked part of it over because I was moving some stuff, I asked them if they liked it and the candle was flickering a TON, it mughtve just been a response or acknowledgement of I hear you, but it made me very nervous...

[ashen falcon]

tbh having candles go out like that isnt uncommon. some folks just forget to trim wicks or dont forget to keep an eye on them while they burn.

if youve asked and theyve said that its cool, apologize and move forward. dwelling on it can make you feel more anxious

[rancid cobalt]

Alright ty, I hope I'll feel better after looking up more myths, drawing her and talking to her more
I do try to pray daily :D (twice a day, amd sometimes I just like yapping to them ^^)

[rancid cobalt]

I come here a lot-
I got a new tarot set but didn't get a manual with it, prolly read the description wrong- I don't really trust my old manual, I've heard of the existence of tarot books?
I'm just having a little difficulty reading them, different resources either say the same the or the exact opposite and then there's my intuition saying no its like this, I've read the high priesteres as hierophant for a while (on my language there's only a 2 letter diff)- T-T

But I'm scared I'll do something wrong/read them wrong (again)

(I also notice I'm scared of messing up alot, srry-)

[ashen falcon]

it might help to look at the iconography of the images themselves rather than relying purely on what exactly they're called.

unfortunately something like tarot tends to have multiple meanings depending on who's interpreting them because there is a such thing as bias when it comes to meanings since tarot is very intuitive type of divination method

the best I would suggest is something like biddytarot which isn't a book but it is a website that explains things fairly well imo but also isn't just keywords

[rancid cobalt]

I have some sites saved, I'm not sure if that one is in there, tyy!!!

[rancid cobalt]

can someone help me? i moved Loki's and Zeus's altar, they were both happy with that (although zeus asked me to make something for his altar and asked if i could remove the offering)
I was trying to figure out with zeus what animal he wants me to make for the altar so i was doing some keybaord divination. it didn't make sense at all so i asked if it was indeed zeus, turns out it was (probably?) loki so i wanted to figure out what was wrong, i got the sun card and temparance both upright
I was so confused but found out Loki didnt mean to or didnt at all give me the sun card, and also found out he was unhappy with something.
It is not me, the altar, zeus, her offering, nor the drawing that i am making

I have no idea what Loki is trying to say, could i get some help?

[ashen falcon]

so loki only gave you temperance?

[rancid cobalt]

yeah

[ashen falcon]

also have you cleansed the space your in since moving the altars?

or your tools?

[rancid cobalt]

no, i did just ask and it's not what shes trying to say, but i will do that

[ashen falcon]

(pendulum, keyboard, tarot)

[rancid cobalt]

i cleansed my tools yesterday, i washed my hands before interacting with zeus and loki, i could try to cleanse my tools again?

i did get a new tarot set but i cleansed it like an hour ago?

oh he did steal Zeus's pendulum

[ashen falcon]

did you do the reading with this new deck?

because if so you may need to give yourself more time to bond with the deck before using it to communicate with deities, and at that it may not like being used for deity reads

also loki is someone that does tend to cause chaos so thats not out of his wheel house to use tools not dedicated to him or take over readings meant for others

[rancid cobalt]

yeah i did, i indeed haven't really bonded with it so i can try to ask them trhough my old deck?

[ashen falcon]

you could but you may get conflicting answers becuase you are using a lot of methods of divination for the same sort of subject /lh

2 tarot decks and a pendulum/keyboard read

[rancid cobalt]

yeah true, i also dont know what my intuiton is saying, my worry is drowning it out-

[ashen falcon]

i dont think your doing anything wrong

[rancid cobalt]

didnt ask loki anything through keyboard yet, i was doing keybaord divination with zeus when they interupted :p

[ashen falcon]

i just think you may need to wait a bit before further readings

well then you did do some reading with them through keyboard bc they were the one taking over

[rancid cobalt]

alright, i really hope so

[ashen falcon]

like you may not know how long they were the one you were talking to

[rancid cobalt]

no, i haven't yet, i was asking zeus about the animal he wanted me to make for him, i got strange answers, then when i asked is the letter on this row? i got a yes but when i asked specific letters i got all no's

[ashen falcon]

the strange answers may have been loki so if you were getting them since the beginning of the read then you may have been talking to loki the whole time /gen

[rancid cobalt]

yeah, i was assuming it was when i started keyboard divination

[rancid cobalt]

i havent been talking for long tho, i changed the altar, asked what both of them thought, took lokis and zeus's pendulum to my desk/drawing area to ask them what they thought of my drawing, i got strong yesses when asking if they liked it/approved of it so far. then i asked zeus what i should make, he told me he wanted an animal that represents him, started keyboard divination and it was loki

when i was talking to them before i didnt really have a feeling it was not them? but i haven't been working with them for long so im not that sure
I also did some vetting questions and made sure it wasn't zeus, i did get hesitating answers (maybe sarcastic again?) when i asked loki vetting questions

i asked if Loki was trying to alert me of another deity but that was a no

[ashen falcon]

ah okay well then not sure /lh

[rancid cobalt]

alright ty tho! maybe it was indeed just them trying to cause some chaos-

[ashen falcon]

possibly! its in their nature lol

[rancid cobalt]

they're just gone now, im not getting any responses from their pendulum, not getting responses form them trough zeus's pendulum. i've asked zeus and he said they wont respond anymore for today, and zeus also confirmed they didnt approve of something/was unhappy with something

[ashen falcon]

then i would give them time. it may be something thats worrying but allowing them to be able to respond when they want is probably the way to go.

[rancid cobalt]

i will do that, also i did have my old tarot deck refusing to work with me if i was tired, could that also be for deities? like Loki stealing zeus's pendulum because i am exhausted and wants me to stop?

[ashen falcon]

yes that very much can be a thing

[rancid cobalt]

(got this idea from my tarot set, was just shuffeling a bit with no question and two cards about tiredness and difficulty)

[ashen falcon]

if you are pushing yourself too much and not listening when they tell you you need a break then they may be upset that you arent listening to their advice

[rancid cobalt]

oh- i did take a break from school today, i really didnt feel well yesterday but still had to go to school untill like 5 pm, so i went home, but maybe it wasn't enough. I hope that is what she meant, i will go to sleep now, tysm for helping me! :D

[ashen falcon]

yeah thats what i mean like you werent feeling well but didnt like rest you made or changed their altars sleep well

[rancid cobalt]

Thank you :D I really should learn to listen to my body and the people trying to give me advice, even though I don't always get it ^^

[rancid cobalt]

Alright so I asked zeus and loki today, I was right, they stopped talking to me yesterday to get me to sleep
I didn't get it at the time and I am so happy my tarot deck helped out and gave me a card about tiredness

They are really sweet, even though I haven't been working with them for long <3

[iron arch]

Okay a very off hand question but would a god find it ridiculous if i rant about a tiny issue that made my whole mood terrible, genuinely asking.

Cause thinking about it i feel like a kid throwing a tantrum.

[ashen falcon]

I mean maybe but I don't think they would treat you differently. It might be like venting to a parent or a friend who may not think it's the biggest deal but would still support your feelings

[iron arch]

Well gee…before even checking your response i saw a cat outside chasing a crow, made me laugh enough.

[coarse badger]

The hardest part for me as a beginner is not knowing if/when a spell will work

I read conflicting things. Some people say that a "set it and forget it" approach works best while others will try to "feed" their spells kinda like how you have to keep adding more wood to a fire ig

[ashen falcon]

tbh it depends on the type of spell

some require constant feeding and power others are set and done.
it also just depends on you as well. there is no "set" way to practice so there is no set way to do spells

[coarse badger]

I know I tend to overthink and get anxious about things

I’m hoping as I get more experience tho and try new things, I’ll learn what works best in my magical practice

Which ones in general are best forgotten about vs more regularly fed? (Ik it’s an individual thing tho)

[ashen falcon]

for me ones that I want to keep around for awhile tend to need feeding (wards, long term spells, etc) (or ones that need to be recharged)
and ones that I want to use and have the action be quickly will be ones I do then forget. (so like focus spells for a specific task, ones for luck, ones for good sleep) (or ones that have 0 need for recharging bc I don't know when I'll need focus)

another thing you can do is make ones that you have that can be reused by recharging.

I have a focus spell sensory jar where whenever I need to focus I'll agitate it when I need focus

what does or doesn't need that kind of attention tho takes experience and time to understand how your magic works and what results you get from spellwork

[rancid cobalt]

help zeus spilled candle wax all over my cloth and i cant get it out T-T i even had something under the cadnle to stop it leaking and it still did-

alr i cant get it out, im getting a new one tmmr

nvm, im just gonna keep this one, its under the candles anyways so you dont see it

[rancid cobalt]

Okay changed my mind again, I was in a bit of a bad mood but they deserve a clean altar cloth :3 I'll keep the old one for decoration or try to put it in the washing machine-

[steady elbow]

hoiii

[ashen falcon]

hello

[twin oyster]

I saw a video about getting candle wax out of fabric! Take a frozen bag of peas or something and put it on top of the wax. It'll get the wax cold and brittle and you should be able to pick most of it off. If there's still a tiny bit of residue you can put some paper towel or a rag on top and warm it up with a hairdryer or something, the rag should soak up the leftover wax. If there's still a stain then you can wash it however you need to to get the stain out

Hope I'm not too late, I just got home from work. Good luck cleaning it if you can!

[rancid cobalt]

Thanks I'll try!! ^^

[brittle mortar]

Hii guys

[ashen falcon]

hi

[rancid cobalt]

haii!! ^^

[rancid cobalt]

okay so, it is wrong to use a love spell on someone, but can i make a sigil to attract love/friendship into my life?

if so, any reccomendations on what words to make it with? :D

[ashen falcon]

general love/attraction spells are usually the reccomended alternative to ones on specfic people

[rancid cobalt]

alright ty ^^

[ashen falcon]

something like:
"I am open to love and friendship."
"My opportunities for love and friendship are strengthened"
"I have both love and friendship in abundance"

[rancid cobalt]

alright, thank you!! :3

the second one is such a complex sigil lol, i dont think id be able to carve it into wax-

i might try to simplify it gimme a sec

[pale loom]

There's also more than one method for making sigils /gen /lh

I know mine is kinda funky compared to the usual lol

[stable shard]

oli made a really good sigil workshop that was posted in resources that you might find helpful :D there’s a bunch of different ways to make sigils it’s a really good read!!

#1114763288568418304 message

[ashen falcon]

i love that lesson so much 🥺 plz read it 🙏

[rancid cobalt]

thank yall, please ping me next time tho ^^

[rancid cobalt]

Can I be too laid back either my prayers to loki and zeus?
If I don't really have the energy to pray I usually just say "Hey Loki and Zeus, you are epic, thanks for today, thank you"

Or just now I gave them a whole story about some drama going on with my friends and some ppl bothering us.
I dont feel bad or like I'm doing something wrong when I do so?
But I hear people do very formal prayers and I get a bit anxious if I'm doing it right...

(I also see a people veiling, I've heard some say it's alright not to do so but is it actually? I have my reasons on why I wouldn't want to do so-)

[ashen falcon]

veiling is an entirely optional practice

and your prayers can be as formal or informal and you and your deity are comfortable with.

[ashen falcon]

pinging ^

[rancid cobalt]

Ty! ^^

[rancid cobalt]

Alright great, I'll ask them how they feel about it tomorrow :D

[rancid cobalt]

i dont know that much about hellenic polytheistic hollidays, i'd love to research more about them tho! but, is it required to celebrate them?
i live in an atheist household and we for example celebrate christmas, we put up a tree, decorate it, give some presents and eat with family, so like i'd love to celebrate the hollidays (if i know more about them) but i'd wanna do so with friends or family ^^

[stable shard]

definitely not required in my opinion. if you follow the attic calendar to a T youll be spending more of the year in celebration than you would resting

which just isnt sustainable if you have other responsibilities like school, work, etc

[ashen falcon]

i wouldnt say required

Its like how christmas and Easter arent required to be celebrated

you can observe them but not celebrate them if that makes sense?

[rancid cobalt]

it does ty both!
-# also please don't forget to ping me next time, its in the nickname ^^

[ashen falcon]

sorry i dont normally like pinging folks but i can try to remember~!

[rancid cobalt]

ty! :D

[daring fractal]

heyyy beginner witch here,, quick question: there are soooo many types of witchcraft and methods, I have no idea where to start, any help would be appreciated soooo much..tysmmm

[stable shard]

griffin/pidge made something really great on this!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TUDHTYX6FiCwvKN5dymkj56diPnCzFtkHmj_ncNR4S0/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.7n2n0vea69l1

i think its worth noting you dont need to label yourself and you shouldnt stress over not knowing if youre x type of witch who performs y type of magic

[daring fractal]

awww thank youuu I’ll look into it 🫶🏻xx

[meager knoll]

Leaving this here, because I am a beginner, SO,

For context, I was raised around Muslims. A while ago I slowly kinda just left Islam and considered myself non-religious and.. now I'm here! So, I know this may be a sorta dumb question to ask - but do the Gods uh, "care" (is the best way I can describe it) if you're still in those habits?

What I mean is, when something bad happens, "Astaghfirullah" is said or before you do something, "Bismillah" and so on, so forth. I also do namaz every Friday bc family doesn't know about this & Friday prayer is essential in Islam. Not to mention I wear a necklace that say "Allah" (in arabic) like 24/7.

(do ping me in responses or seperately if you decide to respond!)

[light lichen]

First
There are no dumb questions! Ask away! Asking questions does so much good, it also keeps people safe. Better to check before doing something, especially as someone who is new to this realm! Questions are encouraged!

It sounds like currently you are in a space that coming out about your interest in witchcraft would put you in a precarious situation. This is what we call being in the broom closet! Many witches start there so you are not alone in needing to hide!

Gods, they are divine beings that we cannot fully comprehend. Yet they are not without reason! Habits are habits, and you need to keep yourself safe! Basically no they do not "care" if you have certain habits related to a prior religion, or if you need to do certain things in order to keep yourself safe while hiding your interest in witchcraft. Intention is very important. Is your intention to be disrespectful? No? Then you are good.

Take a deep breath friend. Besides witchcraft is not just about deity work! Learn how to cleanse, how to protect yourself spiritually. You are not alone in this!

[rancid cobalt]

chat help, how do i convince my mom to keep letting me burn my candles??

I've had candles for like 2 weeks now, they're a large part of my altar and i really love them, i try my best to keep my altar cleansed/clean and to decorate it because I feel like it's a large part of my religion.

And i know i can just buy fake candles or that candles aren't necessary but it feels off to have them or to buy fake candles. Idk how to describe it, its a power that out of control can cause lots of damage, we 'control' and make sure it can do no harm, offering that to my deities feels like something good i can do, idk showing to the deities that we are willing to control such a chaotic and destructive element for them feels like a great offering. (especially with one of loki's symbols being fire)

My mom says she doesnt want me burning them anymore, at all. shes scared the ||House will burn down||, she thinks i leave them on when im not in my room and shes scared if she goes out of the house and i have them on something will happen.

So, what are some good reasons i can convince her to let me burn them? (keep in mind i am a closeted witch, but she has seen my altar, and if it's necessary i will tell her im worshiping loki and zeus and it's for them)
-# this sounds like a am i the asshole story lmao-

Tw for large fires causing harm (better safe than sorry ^^)

[twin oyster]

Candles can always be a fire hazard, that's why you shouldn't leave them burning when you're not there. Even if you're just in another room. I understand her fear so maybe you could try to work with her and only burn candles with her around. If you can show her you're responsible with them maybe she'll be more comfortable in the future letting you burn candles on your own. Make sure it's set up safely, not too close to any wall or curtains or anything, maybe get a decorative plate to burn them on so she's not afraid of the shelf catching fire, and maybe you could keep a glass of water nearby just in case. Ask her to watch a movie with you or something while you burn a candle so she can get comfortable with it. If she still doesn't want candles around maybe you could compromise on incense? There's no flame like a candle but it still burns and smells nice. Just get a proper incense holder

[pale loom]

There's also wax melters which is vaciamiento similar function as scented candle, but instead of fire is a heated element that just melts the wax in the dish

[rancid cobalt]

thanks! i forgot to say i dont do those things, i only have them burning when i'm in the room, yeah i had them burning a couple times when she was out of the house but i didnt know she didnt like them then-
They are at a safe spot, she told me to do so and i listened, i don't think shes afraid of candles, just afraid of the posibilties

Ty tho! i will try those things ^^
(insence also wont be an option, i live in the attic, have no door so the smell is very strong and she says it gives her headaches- suggestion was good tho!!

[pale loom]

Incense would I also be a good option I agree. Still uses the fire element, but generally a bit safer than candles

Ah rip incense option

[meager knoll]

Aster you are just the sweetest human being with your gentle, kind words, thank you so much 🥹🩷

[rancid cobalt]

hmmm doesnt really feel the same/lh

[pale loom]

Tbh I'm not sure there is much else you can do then. I get wanting to incorporate candles, but it may be something that has to wait either until she's more confiable with them or until you have your own space

[ashen falcon]

it's also important to note that this isn't a fear out of no where

even if you are as vigilant as you say you are you sneezing and knocking over a candle can start a house fire because candles are themselves very housefire prone saying this as somebody who had a house fire from a candle.

[twin oyster]

Maybe you could look into simmer pots? You can take herbs and stuff and boil them to smell nice. You could use things that smell similar to candles you like to burn as offerings and it probably won't be so intense that it gives your mom headaches

[ashen falcon]

so while you feel like you need a candle in order to have a proper sort of practice something like led candles might be the option to take for now as it may be safer until your in a space of your own

[twin oyster]

If you want to do it in your room you could get an electric mug warmer and a mug of water and fill it with herbs. The heat might be enough to let it steam in your room

[ashen falcon]

but you shouldn't be pushing a candle issue if it's a genuine fear for her /nm/gen

[rancid cobalt]

my own space wont be an option, will polly have to wait 10 years from now for that, housing market sucks so bad here T-T

[rancid cobalt]

yeah true

[rancid cobalt]

I'll look into them ty!!

[rancid cobalt]

not necessarily a candle, but fire :/

[twin oyster]

You're welcome! I hope you both can come to an agreement, even if you have to change up your plans a bit

[ashen falcon]

yeah and like you said fire is something that you cannot control and that lack of control is something that a lot of people are fearful of and for good reason

[rancid cobalt]

I'll ask her, she's mostly worried about my brother i think...

[ashen falcon]

it doesn't really matter why she's worries /lh

a fear of fire and fire safety is very daunting.

as somebody that had a house fire I only just started using candles again after about 4 years this year

[rancid cobalt]

yeah true- that's also why i believe it's a good offer, willing to have something like that in your house for your deities, just to show them gratitude

[rancid cobalt]

im sorry that happened <3/gen

[ashen falcon]

I don't think you're understanding that because they're something that you cant control some people do not like that in their house for that reason because you may feel like it is a good offer for a deity but that's your mother's house where she wants it to be as safe as possible and if that means no fire then maybe look into alternatives for the time being.

it's not something people just "get over" but you may have to start smaller like birthday candles, or wax melts to show you are and can be responsible

[ashen falcon]

it took a long time for me to get comfortable to even have them in my house let alone burn them at all

so building up to being able to use them might be what's best. start with small things or used LEDs

there are other offerings that work just as well and have less safety hazards you can use. all of the gods will understand

[distant cape]

my mother has a big fear of fire so i had to also adjust to not using fire when i lived at home - but it’s all good cuz she is just scared and cares

i would adjust to the other things folks have mentioned!!

[distant cape]

<@&1149488450794426439> what is the best advise you would give to a beginner witch?
what is something you wish you knew when you started your practice?

[light lichen]

Research. Research. Research.
The first thing you need to learn is cleansing, protection, and banishing. Of course you can read and learn about other things along the way but make sure you know how to keep yourself safe first before you do anything related to spell work.

Something I wish I knew when I first started was the importance of vetting. When I first started I didn't know that was a thing and things got STUCK to me y'all. They are gone now but I would do anything to go back and time to tell younger me to V E T. Like I'd SCREAM that at him.

Oh another thing. Master some sort of divination and ask if doing the spell is a good idea and if it will have unintended consequences.
Your guides, deities, etc have your best interest at heart and will come through to let you know if it's a good idea. If they say no, don't do that. Then... No! Don't do that.

I know it sucks to be told no, but it's truly in your best interest. You need to respect that if you are told no that there is a good reason.

Sorry for the blocks of text but one more thing

You know what I said about needing to respect "No."
This is also what needs to be done with closed practices. The one I'm gonna focus on is white sage.

Not only is white sage often not ethically farmed... It is closed for a reason.
Smudging is a closed practice involving burning white sage. And guess what that does? Cleanse. Right?
Yeah that stuff cleanses everything. No no no, you don't understand it cleanses everything.
Good. Bad. Everything.
And indigenous people know how to smudge, get rid of everything, and call the good back in.

Guess what happens if you smudge with white sage when you don't know how to do it? You leave an open space for anything to walk in.

Not only is it disrespectful to indigenous cultures, it is dangerous.
It's important to realize that closed practices are closed for a reason.
Respect it. It's closed. It's a no.

[distant cape]

thank you for sharing aster!!

[ashen falcon]

• Your practice does not need to look like a pinterest board. 9/10 times the person posting that photo doesnt have their practice look like that all the time so dont worry about aesthetics over getting a good grasp on your practice. add the aesthetics after

• Not everything is for you and thats okay. Do not expect those who have closed practices to be up for and open to actively educating you on why its not for you either as that is not only emotional labor but also very draining as its something they may be asked about constantly.

• DO NOT jump into love spells and baneful magic if you dont know what protection means 😭

• Understand and learn discernment (mundane v magical, learning to properly cite and source research, vet the people telling you the things they are (they are doing so for a reason))

• Respect and acknowledge that a lot of religions have living breathing people attached to them culturally, and you should 100% be respecting the input on their religion that represents them (ex: Listening to living Greek people educating about the misinformation surrounding their gods)

[stable shard]

pretty much everything i would say was mentioned by either aster and oli :p

big thing for me was learning that i dont have to follow what people say online and im allowed to just follow my intuition and come up with my own meanings and associations for certain things. (ofc not saying that vpg and historical usage of plants and crystals is not something that should be taken into account but it definitely shouldn’t hinder you from moving forward in your practice if you don’t have a thousand herbs and “magical ingredients” to use in your practice)

otherwise do your own research, cross-reference, vet your sources and keep up with authors/content creators you regularly consume media from and make sure their belief align with yours. care about where your time, energy, money, and support are going, not just as it relates to your spiritual practice.

and if you can, share your knowledge!! share it share it share it everywhere you can cast your thoughts across the great wide world for billions of eyes to see. your opinion is valuable even if it isn’t objectively true.

[meager knoll]

Ahh, Im very drained and rired but Im willing to read. There's a masterdoc on helpol, if Im correct, can someone link it ro me?..

[meager knoll]

Found it!!

[iron arch]

Okay kinda too late to ask this but can i worship lucifer and the greek gods??

[ashen falcon]

I do :D

[iron arch]

Ah so it is okay! That’s a relief

[ashen falcon]

yup! if your ever worried try having a convo w them!

[iron arch]

Oh? Whats that?

[ashen falcon]

a convo? like a conversation

[iron arch]

Oh my bad, i had a conversation with lucifer tho! Through tarot

[ashen falcon]

nice! love Lucifer

[robust prairie]

Oh crap mb 😭

[fallow smelt]

Based on the convo above me, I'm very slightly Christian, mostly cause I grew up in it. But like I was told I'm bad for worshipping greek gods and Christian God. I also enjoy witchcraft. Is that "allowed" Or am I in the wrong?

[pale loom]

You can worship multiple pantheons. I'm Jewish, but still work with entities outside of my religion

Also we don't really use the terms "white" or "black" magic here because they have roots in racism. Our beginner doc (here: #1114060085224808468 message ) goes over some alternatives, though!

[fallow smelt]

My bad I didn't know that/gen. But thank ya!!

[pale loom]

Yeah ofc! A lot of people don't know so we do our best to inform rather than attack or whatever here

[misty radish]

Sorry for interrupting, anywhere to look for book recommendations?

oop just found it

[ashen falcon]

#1114060085224808468

[misty radish]

does the tarot kit you use mean anything?

like does it matter what designs are on the cards

[ashen falcon]

depends! some decks use different modles (thoth, RWS, etc) so that would be something to take into account but most often youll be able to find an overarching book on what those cards mean

[misty radish]

may i dm you to ask another little question about the deck i bought - it's got a tiny bit off a story behind it that i'm like slightly embarrassed to just put out into the world

[ashen falcon]

sure!

[distant rock]

Hey peeps, so I'm epileptic and have FND. I was looking at a yule ritual and basically christmas rituals. I saw someone use fire to burn away the negative things that had happened that year. Due to my conditions, using fire isn't really an option for me. What can i do instead?

I have done burrying them in the past but I'm not sure if its the right thing to do

[ashen falcon]

it definitely can be so the point of burning usually acts as an elemental representation of getting rid of something which means that you can use almost every other element in order to do that instead!

burying for earth, ripping them up and tossing them to the wind for air, or throwing them into a river/water source for water!

[distant rock]

I was thinking about water but for some reason i wasnt sure if it was too peaceful

[ashen falcon]

water is actually a fairly interesting element in that it can bring both massive destruction in terms of chaos as well as being calm and gentle

think of tsunamis or hurricanes that are made with water and bring devastation and come fast

[distant rock]

True very true. Didn't think of that

[ashen falcon]

or just like the ocean as a whole tbh. water can be both!

similar to fire in that aspect I think! tho water is more controlled

[distant rock]

Fair enough, thank you so much ❤️

[ashen falcon]

yeah no problem! I hope your ritual goes well

[distant rock]

Tyyyyy ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[iron arch]

A friend of mine suggested blood offering to build a stronger relationship with Lucifer, is that true? I rather not fall into a pit i cannot get out of.

[ashen falcon]

please do not use blood as offerings for anyone if you aren't sure of what blood magic entails

that's not only dangerous but also highly not recommend for beginners at all really

[iron arch]

I kept thinking about it all day but again was too hesitant cause i got no informations about these kind of stuff, some just says its “helpful” and thats it

[ashen falcon]

so it's helpful for sure but you are quite literally offering your entire being to Lucifer in doing so. and it is not something you can take back

if you ever feel like you don't want to work with him anymore or you have a inkling to want to work with another being there is the entire possibility where he will not let you and you will be forced to not be allowed to do so because he quite literally owns your blood since you offered it to him.

alongside this it can also mean that he is also now someone that owns your bloodline

blood offerings are not really something you just one and done. you with that for life and it's not something recommend for beginners because you don't really know what you're doing yet and since you just started (per all your other messages in server) and your a minor I really wouldnt recommend it at all

[iron arch]

Woa okay good thing i asked i Literally did not know that at all, i think i’ll just ignore whatever stuff people are telling me at this point, thanks though

Hold on what a whole bloodline??? So its just not possible to undo it and remains for generations??

[ashen falcon]

well yes cuz your blood is attached to your bloodline

that's why it's so important to know what your doing and the ramifications for that.

there are ways to undo it but they are fairly hard to get done correctly

I'm not really sure why there's a weird uptick with blood magic and beginners but generally is not something you should be dabbling in as one if I'm honest

[iron arch]

Eh i genuinely thought its just like any other offering, good to know though

[rancid cobalt]

i experienced stm really weird today
Context: I was in class, our teacher usually lets someone throw dice, spin a wheel or pick a card on if they have to go detention after being annoying or stm

Today in class my teacher told a classmate if you pick the card with a 7 on it, you can stay, but if its the 10, you have to go to detention
I looked at the cards and the pattern on the back was kinda weird?
but i swear i could see a large number 7 on the back of the left card, i saw a 0 on the right on and stm else but couldnt see it well
at first i thought the 7 was a 9, but after looking a bit better it definitely was a 7, it was kinda weird and looked like very soft tv static?
But when the teacher revealed the cards, the one on the left was indeed the 7 (of hearts) card

In the moment i was shocked but now i think it was kinda cool? I've never had this before but i did have something like it; when i had something planned i could see an image in my head of myself doing so, if i didnt see the image/'vision' something usually came up and it wasn't planned anymore

Anyone had stm similar or knows what it was??

[ashen falcon]

could be that you have a visual manifestation of claircognizance (aka clear knowing), which can be different from clairvoyance (clear seeing) as thats usually attributed to deja vu

but it could also be a mix of the 2!

[rancid cobalt]

thats cool! ^^

[distant rock]

So I realised recently what I've been doing wrong and why I sometimes dip away from my practice. I have been trying to be like those social media witches and forgot to reign myself back in and realise that not all practices are like that. I don't have to practice everyday to be a witch and its not something that you need to make a big thing if you don't want to. I kept trying to transform myself into what I thought looked like a witch without realising that doing witchcraft and being a witch doesn't have a 'look'. its just who you are and how you practice.

Sorry for the random long paragraph....

[ashen falcon]

YES! you don't have do anything you don't want to in magic if it's not what makes you happy
I hope moving forward you have a better relationship with your practice as a whole 🫶

[pale loom]

One of the things I really try to instill in folks is to throw out the idea of "pinterest perfect"
Do what you like and you might find that you love the aesthetics anyway later (or you can add them later) when you're trying to establish yourself in your practice, the knowledge and practice is the important part- not how it looks

[iron arch]

I honestly, tried a protection spell two days ago, i haven’t slept at all- like i felt suffocated i just wasn’t comfortable at all, and then today getting a terrible headache so suddenly, i really want to know whether thats just a coincidence or did i mess something up

[ashen falcon]

So depending on how you did this spell it very well could be that you expended too much energy into the spell and now you’re facing the consequences of doing that

[iron arch]

Expended?? Could you please explain

[ashen falcon]

"expended" is just another word for "used"

so you used too much energy

so now you feel like shit

[iron arch]

Ahh alright got it, thanks

[true trench]

ive been wanting to do some sort of spells, i guess ive done one before although i didnt know how to make sure it worked. Im also not sure on how you layer spells or how you should, because i get confused since ive heard apparently you have to cast them on certain days? i just want to get more knowledge

[ashen falcon]

you def don't have to cast them on certian days.

some folks do make use of time based magic but it's not necessary

[true trench]

is there any "ingredients" specifically used for certain spells

like are any meant for specific intentions

[iron arch]

Okay not to seem ungrateful but i genuinely seek answers..i ofcourse know that kharis is an important thing to build with a deity and stuff and could help if you want to ask for help for something from them, i am new, guess you could see that, yet i have noticed my requests and prayers are actually being granted- not to seem ungrateful or something, i am very very thankful, but i am genuinely lost if its them granting me my requests or is it just a coincidence, because i just thought there is no way they would accept a request if you aren’t as close to them

[ashen falcon]

so not every practitioner uses kharis 🤷

people also petition deities that they do not work with at all. this is what we would consider a working relationship over a worshiping one. if you feel like you need a strong connection to your deity in order for them to answer your prayers that's fine

you can also always ask the deities themselves if they are the ones answering your prayers or petitions. communication is a step to worshiping.

and in some cases this could be them creating a relationship with you through showing that you can trust them with your prayers and requests

like it's not all black and white in that you have to have a 100% maxed out friendship bar with a deity for them to fulfill your requests

some people find it easier to build on that connection with one but it's not required of everybody 0

[true trench]

Can i get some help T.T

[ashen falcon]

legit everything has specific intention. that's what makes them work magically I'd suggest #1114060280004087869 for information on what different things mean there's a lot of lists there and links to further lists.

[true trench]

So to be able to protect do u only have to include one thing or more than one for it to actually protect?

[ashen falcon]

it depends? you first have to decide what it is that you're doing and then you have to decide what all you have available. protection is both simple and complex.

generally you want to be sure you understand the things your using before shoving them in spells

[ashen falcon]

this spell

ah

[true trench]

?

[ashen falcon]

I posted a spell in the wrong channel 🫰

[topaz monolith]

Can someone help me with a tarot reading ? Im confused tbh

[naive mesa]

New to this Discord. I started my journey and practices about 20 years ago. I was unable to practice freely or the way I wanted in a less-than-ideal relationship. I'm burying my roots and have resumed my practice in the last 2 years. I feel so out of practice and or of sorts but I know it's what I need to do for me. So beginner/non beginner here lol

[ashen falcon]

hi! im so glad youve been able to refind your path! if you like i can send you our guide for beginners which has a lot of helpful info that anyone really could use

if nothing else i hope this space is useful for you and your practice going forward!

[naive mesa]

I saw the guide posted yesterday and already have it read and stored ☺️ thank you. I've never been good at labels so when someone asks what I practice I usually just say "non denominational paganism"

Was force raised Roman Catholic and have some trauma around it (for those that love it, have at it, ain't no skin off my teeth!) so I really just try to practice with the world around me, the generalized spirits, ancestors, and the like 🖤

[ashen falcon]

ah lovely!

and thats completely valid! labels around religion are difficult at best

[naive mesa]

They really are.

[true trench]

Where can I get herbs? Would amazon or hobby lobby be good resources?

[pale loom]

I mean the best place to start would be you local grocery store's spice aisle

Or your kitchen cabinet

Start with what you know you're gonna use and go from there

[true trench]

What about something like roses that I don't have

I've seen dried up roses being used but don't know where I'd get some

[ashen falcon]

I honestly wouldn't trust hobby lobby to sell you real ones, you can also just like buy yourself some flowers and dry them out for "safe keeping"
or pick up a rose based tea in stores

it kind of depends really on what exactly you're using roses for and if they can be substituted since most herbs can

[twin oyster]

I like to go to bulk barn for stuff like that

[pale loom]

Some health food stores also carry bulk herbs

[true trench]

I wanted to use them for a self love spell and roses or strawberries are a part of it

[twin oyster]

If the spell involves consuming ingredients make sure the roses are food grade. If you go into a store and pick up a bouquet of roses they might have had pesticides or something sprayed on them. If you're not consuming anything you could buy a bouquet of roses and dry them yourself

[ashen falcon]

so if like I said you have the intention for those specific ingredients you can substitute them for others if they have the same intention. self love is a fairly broad category and has a love of things you can sub for them

this is one of the reasons why researching and knowing how spells work is really important because substitutions can be made if you know what you're doing

Self-Love (confidence, healing, compassion)
Calendula
Rose
Lavender
Honeysuckle
Passionflower
Honey
Sugar
Elderflower
Jasmine
Rosemary
Thyme
Eucalyptus
Garden sage
Lemon balm
Holy basil
Aloe
Moringa

these are all options that you could use to substitute for something that revolves around self-love all of these have the base meaning of something like self-love to help with confidence healing and compassion

most of these you can find in a store

[true trench]

Ok I've had thoughts of that but I wasn't sure, but now i know for sure. Thank you so muchh. could I add more than one or would that affect the spell?

Would it be best to make a protection spell first tho? Sorry if I'm asking so much

[ashen falcon]

so I guess it might depend on how potent you want this effect to have. it also might be very important to understand what the other correspondences of these other things have.

so like if you have one that's supposed to be for self confidence and self love
but you have another one that is supposed to represent being humble and self-love then those would (imo) cancel out? if that makes sense

as for the protection spell if you've already made one that's a generalized protection spell then I would say no if you haven't I possibly would sometimes backfire from spells that affect you alone are just that they don't work

[true trench]

If i were to use honey and sugar instead that wouldn't cancel out would it

Also since I would use candles after it's done melting I have a feeling that throwing it away would maybe cancel out the spell overall but I've read it shouldn't? Although I feel a bit more comfortable keeping the melted wax stored somewhere no one would see it

[ashen falcon]

if this is a spell that's supposed to be sort of like a self-love one you could always keep it near you so like keeping it in like a jar or like a plastic bag in like your sleeping area maybe where you do your makeup/face routine stuff like that

but you can totally keep the wax after I personally don't cuz I have cats that will eat it

as if something like sugar and honey I personally don't see why they would cancel out they tend to be ones that just bring in overall sweetness and a sense of love
so I believe that honey has the added benefit of being something that helps you achieve goals and hard work due to it being associated with bees

[true trench]

I bought some candles but they're the long type

Can I cut one on half oor do I just use it as is

[copper wadi]

up to you!

[iron arch]

Please any resources on working and worshiping Lucifer for beginners..i’m suddenly reconsidering my life decisions.

[ashen falcon]

have you checked our #1114061545916354560

also will note demon work isn't really for beginners

[meager knoll]

So hii!! Im an ex muslim and afyer our periods we had some ritual called ghusl where we cleanse ourself by doing dua and shaving. Is there anything like this in hellenic beliefs too?

Also, another question, when you're doing a devotional act to a God/ess, is there a specific incantation or procedure or could you just go "hey (God's name), Im (activity) for you"

[iron arch]

Is lucifer necessarily a demon in the roman mythology /gen

[ashen falcon]

the connection between Lucifer and Roman mythology is an entirely different being.

For starters, Lucifer is not a god within Hellenism. Hellenism is a greek religion following the Greek gods

Lucifer is not recognized as part of the Hellenic pantheon. If you are looking to incorporate a non-hellenic daemon in a hellenic practice, that's another thing but should be phrased in another way. We usually advise to venerate a deity based on the cultural context they came with.

well Greco-Roman

https://www.theoi.com/Titan/AsterEosphoros.html

this is the closest you'll get but Lucifer ≠ the god and that was generally just his name translated into Roman but there doesn't seem to be much info on him being worshipped as a roman God in the first place, so like your talking about an entirely different being 🤷

[iron arch]

Haha okay that is, more complicated than i thought thanks though😭

I was first diving into demonology but then acknowledged that it wouldn’t be a good idea

[meager knoll]

Just referencing back to this in case no one saw, lol

[ashen falcon]

I believe it's called katharsis and maisma