paladin class

[buoyant basin]

6 hearts of health at the cost of slower movement.

The paladins wield a hammer and shield.

The hammer can be thrown, and the shield allows a dash (much like the doom shroom and king slimes) that deals damage and knock back, however, doing this will cause it to shatter, with a cool down appearing on the hand it is used on (much like a mark but kills aren't required) doing this renders it unusable for a short while as it rebuilds itself.

You can also use the shelf to block damage, but this chips away at it's durability, until the shattering phase occurs.

This can only be unlocked after beating 3x hard mode with both the crossbow and sword.

The lack of mobility provides greater difficulty with evasion, meaning players will have to get creative with how they tackle bosses.

[nimble harness]

Sounds sick

[copper oyster]

The 6 full hearts seems busted

[buoyant basin]

Lower to 4 maybe?

What do you think is comfortable? Cause I was looking for the balance of slow but tanky

Thoughts?

[copper oyster]

I think 3 hearts, since the shield dash is free messangers mark, but more hammer damage

[buoyant basin]

5% base evasion?

[copper oyster]

you do get I presume a tower or pointed shield which will make it harder to be hit

[buoyant basin]

True, but it also chips away, as to not let people just block all game, cause that in its own right is busted

[copper oyster]

One shield that would stop enemies momentum, and could probably be used as a melee as well

[buoyant basin]

I was thinking so

Maybe have it be a toggle like the sword and crossbow

[copper oyster]

It regens after being chipped away similar to how a bow would come back

[buoyant basin]

Yhea, that's the idea.

[copper oyster]

So if a enemy collides they take damage, or if you hit them they take damage, both cause the shield to chip

[buoyant basin]

Alright, alright

That works

[copper oyster]

the shield could take maybe 3 hits before going down for 10 sec/it regains 1 hit every 5 sec once still in tact

10 sec is similar to crossbow time

at full distance

but doesnt act as protection hearts

[buoyant basin]

The handle would need to be the only part left at the end of it

[copper oyster]

yeah

[buoyant basin]

So, do you think erthu would approve? Being a tester and all

[copper oyster]

I think a blue magic shield would look cool

[buoyant basin]

Cobalt or orichalcum

Since orichalcum is the hardest mythical metal

Or cobalt, because it's blue

[copper oyster]

Im not too sure, although he does have the ability to make this weapon and alter speed with the current alterable settings

[buoyant basin]

If you ever talk to him, bring it up, I'm pretty sure quite a few people would like to see this after all

[copper oyster]

I think they plan on adding a magic class first, however that is just speculation

[hexed olive]

magic will be the third combo most likely

[buoyant basin]

Yhea, iw as thinking that since the mage class was gonna be added (like a extension of the ranger class) the paladin could be a extension of the melee clsss

[copper oyster]

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[copper oyster]

Oh hi Erthu XD

[buoyant basin]

Yhea I figured.

Would you agree that the mage class would be like a modified ranger of sorts?

I bring this up because I would like there to be balance in the classes, where one is ranged, and the other is melee, to support both play styles since both are in the base game

[copper oyster]

That could be interesting to have an alternative for both subcategories of class

although both would probably need their own balance

[hexed olive]

Yeah

[buoyant basin]

Yhea, since most people already have a grasp on the basics

[hexed olive]

Basically every weapon needs to work in singleplayer alone

And needs to work with the relics that we already have, so we will always have a melee + ranged combo, but it will behave differently

[buoyant basin]

With that in mind, what do you think of this weapon combo?

Is it viable in any way?

[hexed olive]

It definitely seems like a doable combo yes

We had a similar idea with a shield that breaks to make it not too op

[copper oyster]

What is the idea for a magic class?

[hexed olive]

We still haven't prototyped anything so I can't say

[buoyant basin]

From what I remember, it was a staff with runes

[hexed olive]

It'll be a lot of experimentation until we find something that is fun

But we will definitely need to try it in VR

[copper oyster]

huh, I was thinking a dagger that charges mana

[copper oyster]

Although that would also cause a potential issue at beast fight with the floating eyes, so there would need to be a passive regen

[buoyant basin]

May I suggest doing gestures to activate certain spells?

Like, each spell serves a different purpose like AOE, range, melee, and defense

[copper oyster]

That seems quite complex however

I think someone made a magic mod where the y button altered the spell you cast

[hexed olive]

Drawing runes will most likely be too much of a hassle in fast paced combat

[buoyant basin]

But it would be fun, I mean stuff like moving your arms in different directions to choose spells

Kinda like the weapon selection from half life Alyx

[copper oyster]

I think button to rotate spells could be good, if there will even be more than one spell

maybe holding trigger makes the spell stronger

[buoyant basin]

Yhea true, I can't imagine that being fun.

It's gotta be "on the fly"

What if you pick up Crystals from your waist and load them into the top of the staff?

Sorta like loading the crossbow, but think of it like loading the arrows from the quiver instead.

Sorta like that

[hexed olive]

That might work yeah

We still haven't really thought about if we want to have multiple spells or just one base spell that changes based on how long you charge it or something else

Since a spell is a ranged projectile it needs to work with all the relics currently in the game

[buoyant basin]

I was thinking of elements.

Stuff like earth is registered as a melee attack, while fire and such is ranged.

[hexed olive]

Actually an interesting idea

But that might be a bit confusing for people

Except if we make the earth spells close combat

Good ideas definitely

[buoyant basin]

Regardless of the mage concepts

Please consider the paladin class to balance the eventually inequality in the class types.

(By the way from here on, we could probably group classes into two groups, being melee and ranged, just a thought)

[buoyant basin]

Armoured hands would be cool too

Just as a cosmetic thing

[buoyant basin]

Like the crossbow could have gloved hands instead

[hexed olive]

would be a cool unlockable

[buoyant basin]

The gloves?

[hexed olive]

yeah as a cosmetic

[buoyant basin]

Yhea, I agree

[buoyant basin]

Maybe give them slight sparkly trails or effects that obtain as you kill more and more enemies as well.

[hexed olive]

cool idea

[buoyant basin]

You know that magic gauntlet melee concept a while ago?

If you can't make that a weapon, make it a glove design for the mage class

[solid prairie]

That would be sick! Def my new main

[buoyant basin]

I made a separate suggestion for the mage class if you would like to check it out

[buoyant basin]

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[buoyant basin]

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[buoyant basin]

Boost

[solid prairie]

Boost ahh

[echo kite]

Magic could be activated with a letter code like. AXA would be one spell with the penalty of no active marks

[mossy creek]

Cool idea

[astral gull]

The shield dash should act differently from the dashing mark in that it would continue moving uncontrollably until hitting a wall