just like, 5 specific ones to be exact
#Standardize Bingo
devout onyx
ionic jasper
They're all in vanilla locations
devout onyx
wait fr?
half escarp
good to know
devout onyx
i swear to god that small chest in mines did NOT have an orange rupee in vanilla
half escarp
Which gm chest
ionic jasper
I could have placed them in the wrong spots though
devout onyx
uhh the first underwater room, the small chest where you hit the switch
its so convenient to grab whewn youre doing mines
ionic jasper
But they should roughly be in the same areas
half escarp
Oh the 2nd underwater room then with tektites
half escarp
It’s not a 100 iirc, it’s a 10
ionic jasper
Actually I think that just got rnged to orange, cuz I didn't place it there
half escarp
Yeah oranges are in big chests
devout onyx
yeah, but i want it to stay an orange ruppe, bcuz its incredibly convenient
devout onyx
thats why i was making a lsit of like, 5 orange rupees i wanted to make plando LMAO
bcuz im old man yells at cloud and im afraid of getting seed bleed when running a new vanilla seed
yeah it was this room
"Goron Mines Crystal Switch Room Small Chest": "Orange_Rupee",
"Goron Mines Crystal Switch Room Underwater Chest": "Goron_Mines_Small_Key"
id say the big and sm,all chest were switched, but not if key placemenmts were vanilla
ionic jasper
What i was trying to say is i didn't place that there
devout onyx
oh, interesting
ionic jasper
It's just randomly orange
devout onyx
yeah i rememebr you mentioning that
also, as for actual checks, not counting rusls house or agatha, there are 39 locations with orange rupees in the current seed
"Eldin Field Bomskit Grotto Left Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Eldin Field Stalfos Grotto Right Small Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Eldin Stockcave Lantern Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Faron Field Bridge Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Flight By Fowl Top Platform Reward": "Orange_Rupee"
"Gerudo Desert Owl Statue Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Gerudo Desert Skulltula Grotto Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Gerudo Desert South Chest Behind Wooden Gates": "Orange_Rupee"
"Goron Mines Crystal Switch Room Small Chest": "Orange_Rupee",
"Hyrule Castle Graveyard Grave Switch Room Right Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Hyrule Castle Treasure Room First Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Hyrule Castle West Courtyard Central Small Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Hyrule Field Amphitheater Owl Statue Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Kakariko Gorge Owl Statue Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Kakariko Watchtower Alcove Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Lake Hylia Bridge Bubble Grotto Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Lake Hylia Bridge Owl Statue Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Lake Hylia Bridge Vines Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Lake Hylia Shell Blade Grotto Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Lake Hylia Underwater Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Lake Hylia Water Toadpoli Grotto Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Lake Lantern Cave First Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Lake Lantern Cave Fourteenth Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Lake Lantern Cave Sixth Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Lakebed Temple Stalactite Room Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Lanayru Field Behind Gate Underwater Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Lanayru Spring East Double Clawshot Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Lanayru Spring Underwater Right Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Lanayru Spring West Double Clawshot Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Outside Lanayru Spring Right Statue Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Outside South Castle Town Fountain Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Outside South Castle Town Tektite Grotto Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Outside South Castle Town Tightrope Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Palace of Twilight West Wing Second Room Southeast Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Sacred Grove Spinner Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Snowpeak Cave Ice Lantern Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"Snowpeak Freezard Grotto Chest": "Orange_Rupee"
"West Hyrule Field Helmasaur Grotto Chest": "Orange_Rupee"```and im thinking that the lakebed one and mines one are random, as i didnt recall any of the first 3 dungeons giving an orange rupee
ionic jasper
✖ Hyrule Castle Treasure Room First Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Hyrule Castle Graveyard Grave Switch Room Right Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Palace of Twilight West Wing Second Room Southeast Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Lanayru Spring West Double Clawshot Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Lanayru Spring East Double Clawshot Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Gerudo Desert Owl Statue Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Hyrule Field Amphitheater Owl Statue Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Lake Hylia Bridge Owl Statue Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ West Hyrule Field Helmasaur Grotto Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Kakariko Gorge Owl Statue Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Sacred Grove Spinner Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Snowpeak Freezard Grotto Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Snowpeak Cave Ice Lantern Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Outside South Castle Town Fountain Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Gerudo Desert South Chest Behind Wooden Gates => Orange_Rupee
✖ Eldin Stockcave Lantern Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Gerudo Desert Skulltula Grotto Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Outside South Castle Town Tektite Grotto Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Outside South Castle Town Tightrope Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Faron Field Bridge Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Lake Lantern Cave Fourteenth Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Lake Lantern Cave Sixth Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Lake Hylia Bridge Bubble Grotto Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Lake Hylia Bridge Vines Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Lanayru Field Behind Gate Underwater Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Lake Hylia Water Toadpoli Grotto Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Lake Hylia Shell Blade Grotto Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Flight By Fowl Top Platform Reward => Orange_Rupee
✖ Outside Lanayru Spring Right Statue Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Lake Hylia Underwater Chest => Orange_Rupee
✖ Kakariko Watchtower Alcove Chest => Orange_Rupee
ok so 8 are randomized placements
and ofc theyre all the ones i liked , fuck lmao
toadpoli, llc 1st chest, and the gm one LMAO
ill jsut have to reference this list instead
also unrelated but i figure out what was wrong with my left trigger sticking
there appears to be dampener pads under the triggers so the plasti cdoesnt clack together and make horrible noises, ive clearly been using my left trigger for so long the dampener was deteriorating and the adhesive was getting stuck to the trigger
i was able to take of the back pannnel and clear it out, so it doesnt stick now but it does sound awful!
ionic jasper
oof
devout onyx
now the disassimbly continues bcuz my RB (i use for z) is also being winky
wonyk
whatever
devout onyx
i would but my controller is currently still in pieces
also figured out why my rb/Z button was being weird, it was broken lmao. The LB and RB are on one piece of plastic and i guess it snapped in half
so now im dissasembling ANOTHER controller trying to steal its RB button
ionic jasper
I dont plan on playing
devout onyx
oh what you need then
ionic jasper
I self tested no worries
you cant join a game in progress anymore
that will prevent it from crashing if someone randomly joins your game mid session
devout onyx
oh good
ionic jasper
gonna take a break on the website for a little cuz I think its basically good for now
I don't think there's anything I need to change or add atm
devout onyx
yeah youve worked really hard on it i think its good how it is
okay so shoulder button broke until tomorro when replacement part comes in. fantastic. so i either dont get to play today or i figure out a new button to use as Z lmao
ionic jasper
oof
ionic jasper
nice
quasi trench
What would you all think about playing the same bingocards (Doesn't have to be live imo timezones & life stuff yk)
Posting times, & possibly some notes right after the run. Just for fun & comparisons
quasi trench
I think it could just be worth noting times for the seeds, and sharing those so I will
quasi trench
Since every board is different every board will be different
Oh yeah thats an amazing idea
ionic jasper
which would auto track times and user names on its own
quasi trench
Sick
ionic jasper
not sure what format it would need to be though
I dont think blackouts would be that accessible for everyone
but 1 lines are too easy imo
ionic jasper
there's been a good amount of testing I think
quasi trench
Format-wise I mean
ionic jasper
I also like, watched jeez get like a sub 1:10 with 30 poes included on a blackout
quasi trench
I dont really hate poes to much at all
carmine yarrow
For something like 3 lines might still be good as then you can say why you took that approach
ionic jasper
yeah but 30 poes is slow as shit
quasi trench
I know where all of them are, which is def quite important
ionic jasper
and it also had a city goal iirc
quasi trench
True
ionic jasper
I dont remember what his board was fully though
quasi trench
For something like 3 lines might still be good as then you can say why you took ...
Yes, noting certain noteworthy things
Knowledge for all..
ionic jasper
if I did this I'd probably try different fromats every week
until I find one most people seem to enjoy
ionic jasper
there's no role for bingo so I'll just ping people who may be interested
@half escarp @carmine yarrow @devout onyx @quasi trench @carmine vigil enjoy
I believe it should work lol
if it does not record your time on the leaderboard let me know what it was and I will add it in when i fix it
carmine yarrow
Oh sweet
ionic jasper
im also trusting people wont
copy paste the seed into a independent thing
and scout it
if that becomes I issue I will just make it so you dont get to see what the seed is
but I trust what wont be an issue
carmine yarrow
I will do it immediately lol. I just was about to be streaming something else but this bingo has time :D
only 3 random lines no tears right?
ionic jasper
It'll say Tears if its tears mode
I'll watch cuz I dont plan to participate
but if you do plan to do it
you probably shouldn't watch
nice
carmine yarrow
YEP
ionic jasper
feels can see what people are up too man
carmine yarrow
I currently can't start a normal game myself I really want to set up my layout on obs but I can't start a normal game since you seem to be the roomleader of a room I didn't give a name to for some reason
ionic jasper
eh?
carmine yarrow
ionic jasper
you can probably go ahead and do that now @carmine yarrow im gonna fix this real fast
took the tab off so I can fix it and not have it also messing people up
carmine yarrow
thank you!
ionic jasper
I'll have it back up here in a minute
with the board of the week
sorry about that
the server may or may not kick you off as I update it
but it should only happen 1 time
ionic jasper
give me some time lol, its causing some issues
carmine yarrow
take your time, you already managed so much with this site already lol
devout onyx
Okay lol I didn't read the rest of the messages that it was taken down lmao I just woke to
Up
Also is discord on desktop not working foranyone else?
ionic jasper
its working for me
devout onyx
awesome, i just had to reinstall it just genuinley refused to open
carmine yarrow
I think I will go through it tomorrow or I think I might do it offline today
devout onyx
i dont think its back up yet
tomorrow is good anyways if nozz wants more time to work on it, as tomorrow will be friday
quasi trench
I will probably stream it eitber tommorow after work, or saturday. Can't wait to finally play some tp again
devout onyx
i want to try a bingo without the plando seed, but im unsure what settings would work best
i think this settings string looks good?
6s1K0EPP_-5uy4oFZ92FF__-
and this is just for normal bingo/blackout, i wouldnt try rush with this lmao
carmine yarrow
looks like a good setting for this yea. I also like the vanilla poes
devout onyx
im still working on excluded checks
ok final settings string
6sHY0EPP_-5uy4oFZ92FF_hylPz9WJorEqaF_W
devout onyx
gives self bigkeysanity
forgets to give self 2/3key shards
has fyrus on the card
nice
ionic jasper
Ill have the Board of the Week ready by tomorrow
It ended up having some complications
However
If you end up wanting to run it and just manually send me your times today
50HZ3DLL.IYPGHHDZ.WGIX0ZTY.Week1
carmine yarrow
I guess I can do that
ionic jasper
That's it right there
carmine yarrow
does it need some video prove? I mean it is like not something big but yea
you probably do not have all the time in the world to review everything 
we are all honest with each other anyways
ionic jasper
Video proof would be cool but it doesn't matter
With video I can put the winner of each week up with a vid
carmine yarrow
I see alright 👍
devout onyx
also: note to self, for rando give myself mirror warp, bcuz palace is open but i cant acceess it unless through arbiters, big rip
also might junk grottos? trying to think of how to bring the checks down a bit
devout onyx
gonna give the weekly board a try
normal bingo, 3 lines?
@ionic jasper
it still kinda let me in tho? I havent checked the board yet but
ionic jasper
<@110172431871660032>
It's just an error that's left over
If it let's you play you're good
devout onyx
the timer isnt working on the website
devout onyx
i clicked go (accidentally) and it revealed the board automatically, and the timer was glowing but was stucvk on 0
carmine yarrow
Was it working for you? <@807296732370960404>
yea
devout onyx
absolutlkeyu
ionic jasper
It might be something to due with the botw
devout onyx
timer working on random board
devout onyx
no worries if not i got livesplit
yeah timer is not working on that seed
also spicy is saying they had a different board OH NO
i also cannot click any goals
ionic jasper
If it doesn't run the timer it means the games not active
So it won't let you click
devout onyx
is it because the - yeah
hrm
ill just do a different board and let you cook on this for a while
devout onyx
couldve shaved off ten mintutes or so realizing i was going for the H unstead of the U shape, but still i thihnk this is a very good time for me
seed: 2KNJ3EA3
ionic jasper
Good time
ionic jasper
sorry that I kinda baited yall with a new feature
I did not realize it would be as hard to implement as it was or Id have waited
bad developer moment
should hopefully be developed and ready to go when yall are up tomorrow
devout onyx
all good ! it takes time to cook we undertand
quasi trench
Yea dont worry about it! Think we are all surprised by how quickly you worked on this
ionic jasper
New update is pushed 
devout onyx
Nozz so happy about the new update they became a yandere
quasi trench
I can't give up on Sokka otherwise id join the party
carmine yarrow
Ah that is why this board looked so cursed
ionic jasper
no spoilers
ionic jasper
we have a new board of the week feature with a leaderboard @half escarp
carmine yarrow
It was interesting but I think I chose wrong lines. I am interested to see other aproaches
ionic jasper
half escarp
we have a new board of the week feature with a leaderboard <@421821376731545600>
yeah I saw some discussion while being busy with work this week, seems super pog thanks again for working on this it's very nice
blackout on weekly then?
ionic jasper
maybe, it'll kinda just depend
half escarp
I may or may not do that every time
Prob not, we can't expect you to provide smth for us every week
ionic jasper
Its whatever I decide to make it basically
half escarp
ionic jasper
this one I specifically picked intentionally
Cuz I was rolling allot of seeds and played this one out, was pretty fun
half escarp
if you have time to do so thanks a lot, but don't worry if it's not hand picked I believe it's fine
at least, please dont put pressure on yourself with that 
carmine yarrow
Oh so you just did roll a lot of seeds until you found a good one. I really thought you picked every goal on your own lmao
ionic jasper
technically I can do that if I want to
but thats allot of work
when I can just roll seeds
half escarp
makes sense tbh, I would do the same
ionic jasper
It does a good job of making fucked up boards on its own
devout onyx
I'm incredibly excited to try this
ionic jasper
the next seed of the week will be up on the 25th
So you have till then to play this one and put down a time
devout onyx
I am gonna give it my best, but i dont think ill beat spicys time
devout onyx
fucking up swinging monkey to ooak fucked up EBF right?
ionic jasper
yeah
ionic jasper
you'd just hit start board of the week and reset the game
ionic jasper
since these are timed via the website, I can't really allow inaccurate times
Not sure why it would disconnect you though
devout onyx
that was washed anyways i kept fucking up bite, and then killed my ebf
carmine vigil
Settings: 5x5, 3 Lines, Competitive Rules, Count Up Timer.
Is it tears of light mode or no?
devout onyx
Not sure why it would disconnect you though
god hates me, simple answer
devout onyx
`Settings: 5x5, 3 Lines, Competitive Rules, Count Up Timer.`
Is it tears of ligh...
normal mode
carmine vigil
So any 3 lines work?
devout onyx
yessir
ionic jasper
`Settings: 5x5, 3 Lines, Competitive Rules, Count Up Timer.`
Is it tears of ligh...
any 3 lines
devout onyx
are you also starting the board rn?
carmine vigil
I'll start in about 24 minutes
devout onyx
oh ok i was gonna say i wonder if you connecting disconnected me
ionic jasper
sorry about that
@devout onyx can you do 1 thing for me
at some point
right click anywhere on the site, hit inspect element, and then open the console tab and tell me if it printed any errors when it disconnected
devout onyx
what would i be looking for exactly
ionic jasper
console
and then see if there's anything highlighted red on the disconnect area
if you reset the website it wont be there
devout onyx
no error
ionic jasper
I assume if anything the server probably just reset itself on you
So you just got unlucky
ionic jasper
Im pretty sure the server resets itself every day at some point
devout onyx
carmine yarrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJFoyDMErHI @carmine vigil
ionic jasper
times are updated
I guess for this week just dm me if you do a run on the board
and I'll add it manually
carmine vigil
@devout onyx GG, watched your VOD and can tell you have been practicing 
devout onyx
<@270640454326812683> GG, watched your VOD and can tell you have been practicing...
its been a long, long road
and also no one has called me out about clawshot targets yet and i refuse to change until it stipulates different targets , because i think thats funny
and also yes i do have the advantage of being playing on this specific seed so much that if i need an item/money/etc i do know exactly where it is
like all the orange rupees
carmine yarrow
I learned a lot playing this bingo so was fun
I better don’t get stuck though in Lakebed before Deku Toad in a Jet stream I can’t get out since I didn’t get Iron Boots 
devout onyx
yeah we cant do EBF in races lmao
I was thinking about that too about how much ive been playing this that going back to a real rando is gonna screw me up so badly lmao
ionic jasper
nozzly: 1:00:35
peaches: 1:06:04
Spicy: 1:14:48
isaac: 1:18:36
is the current times
though myn is not offical
carmine vigil
Just realized I actually did 4 lines lol. My last square completed 2 lines
ionic jasper
nice
carmine vigil
@devout onyx The setup I am talking about is under "Consistent BiT at Ordon Bridge (GCN)":
https://www.zeldaspeedruns.com/tp/bit/back-in-time-glitch
In this case, I approach from the South Faron portal so that if you miss the timing and decide to simply void (if you press the dpad later than A), you are right next to it to try again. If you press dpad before A, then you don't drop so you can close the map and immediately try again
half escarp
was there any big changes made to the vanilla rando file?
quasi trench
No idea, tried it out for the 1st time earlier today
Definitely gotta relearn some tricks since its been months
Does BiT count towards getting Master Sword etc. ?
carmine yarrow
We do not recommend doing a BiT Save since it deletes your Shadow Crystal
but doing BiT for EBF is fine of course
quasi trench
Ah yea I remember reading that
carmine vigil
You can get Master Sword in 2 minutes without BiT
quasi trench
True aswell
All swords are free besides 1 obv
I noticed how quickly I blank now when thinking about where all orange rupees are, since I only played rando for months and stopped playing at all for a while
Im going to stamp those into my brain
Oh and alot of practice on clawless star1
quasi trench
Yeah I def found some half-assed setup for the hard jump in Star1
Ill sent a vid in trick discussion soon
quasi trench
Here they are for people to lazy to go to trickdiscussion lol
Buffer bottom-left, Press B and spam A
ionic jasper
"too lazy to go to trick discussion" what he say fuck me for?
carmine vigil
Finished the seed. Was about 14 minutes behind
quasi trench
"too lazy to go to trick discussion" what he say fuck me for?
Hahahahaha
half escarp
Gg
ionic jasper
starting to add the videos and stuff in
spent most of today recording allot of videos
devout onyx
nice! i didnt get to do any tp stuffd today as was forced into family interaction for the holiday
ionic jasper
website is updated with the current videos im allowed to upload, apparently there's a upload cap
ionic jasper
Also the website had a make over
But I'll be adding options in for different styles
devout onyx
might do a bingo instead as malo has crashed my game, so im exccited to see the new look
carmine vigil
I don't push things lol. Idk what you mean
carmine yarrow
No Lunar didn’t fix a bug yet related to traps in Malo Mart causing a crash
ionic jasper
Was asking generally
carmine vigil
Oh merge anything in. No, nothing from me
ionic jasper
No Lunar didn’t fix a bug yet related to traps in Malo Mart causing a crash
Lol
That's probably it
carmine yarrow
#dev-general message
devout onyx
wdym
quasi trench
You mean the vampire series?
ionic jasper
I recently coded this effect
was wondering if I should add a theme for it on the website
its basically a replication of the twilight realm
devout onyx
I'm gonna be honest nozzly, I have no idea what's happening in that video it shows nothing
Oh wait no I see it, the very small particles
That would be really cool for the tears of light mode, ~dispel the twilight~
ionic jasper
speaking of bingo @carmine vigil I came up with a really stupid idea
that will most definitely scope creep the shit out of my website
Im thinking
what if I add more games to the website
and then I make a "multi game bingo" mode
so X person can play mm or oot, and Y person can play TP or SS
and you'll have bingos associated with those games
all on the same board
coop only obviously
devout onyx
Oh yeah that seems like alot of work
pale vale
ib4 Jovani 60, Imprisoned 3, and Savage Labyrinth needed for bingo
ionic jasper
ib4 Jovani 60, Imprisoned 3, and Savage Labyrinth needed for bingo
🥹
I will slowly roll out the next game i think cuz i really wanna see how this works
Probably won't go as hard on this as I did tp cuz the code base is already there, and some structure will need to change to support new games and future ones
ionic jasper
ib4 Jovani 60, Imprisoned 3, and Savage Labyrinth needed for bingo
these guys can make you do savage
cuz they're mighty_darknuts
and they only appear in very specific locations
carmine vigil
I am here for the weekly 
carmine yarrow
Is it already time again? 
carmine vigil
I will return for the weekly
ionic jasper
cuz I posted the last one on friday I thought
quasi trench
I still gotta play the first one, life has been busy
But no worries, ill try to get it in after my nightshift and travel
half escarp
Last week I was bad 👀
half escarp
I need to get better at bingo
half escarp
I think it’s quite hard to find where to go and what to do fast, choosing lines etc
ionic jasper
thats a unique skill for bingos only
half escarp
ionic jasper
knowing lots of tricks vs knowing how fast all those tricks are
half escarp
Last time I picked up boots for no reason, just in case
While return to spawn exists
DUH
half escarp
Now I know lmao
ionic jasper
Since we can use ebf
Don't really need irons in the early game
Most of my skill issue is i forgot to do stuff i planned to do
And then that kinda fucks me over later
ionic jasper
gl hf, website will be updated shortly
updating it a bit early cuz I will be working all day tomorrow
carmine yarrow
I am not sure about pre routing
ionic jasper
I think its impossible to prevent it
so im just going to allow it
for this board anyway
quasi trench
Could we possibly add a chat on the website @ionic jasper
ionic jasper
a chat for
ionic jasper
I dont understand
quasi trench
Well people who play the weekly wanna talk about it perhaps rivht
And the people who might still wanna play shouldnt read it ofc
So once someone has a time, they get added into a chat for that seed or smt
quasi trench
I guess so
ionic jasper
we could just figure something out here
quasi trench
But discord imo atleast ist very sorted
It wouldnt matter too much anyways
Its mostly for fun
carmine yarrow
I think its impossible to prevent it
That part is fair I guess. Though currently noone is really playing it that way… the big purpose of bingo is that you are thrown into the unknown and of course making quick decisions on the way is a big part of the fun and also a big part where the improvement comes from. If we are already allowing pre routing then the speedrunning aspect becomes more important than the thinking along the way. The strategy would become mostly the same when it could have all very different strategies. Another thing is that with pre routing you can practice some difficult tricks in that you probably would not have before since they are more rare occurrence. I will not pre route for my fun at least
ionic jasper
i deleted the board
but if someone opens it or loads it elsewhere I cant do anything about it
carmine yarrow
If people have different opinions about this or the same opinion, that is all valid. I am just saying that I won’t do it
quasi trench
I think its impossible to prevent it
I share your opinion that it also doesn't really matter, for serious races I think we can always come up with a rule. For example having X minutes to read/plan the board which is separate
carmine yarrow
Yes the people can cheat if they have more fun than playing it legit
quasi trench
Yes the people can cheat if they have more fun than playing it legit <:LUL:60401...
Fr
carmine yarrow
I share your opinion that it also doesn't really matter, for serious races I thi...
Yea this is also a different approach to this. We can perhaps set up rules in the future
After all we are still kind of in testing phase
ionic jasper
there's some stuff im not really satisfied with as far as the website goes
I think its pretty poorly made overall
carmine yarrow
I am currently thinking, there is actually a race time for tpr bingo which reveals the board 30 minutes before start 💁♂️
ionic jasper
I mean TPR is very different from a vanilla seed
seeing the board early doesn't really matter cuz you cant guarantee any of the goals are doable or route them
carmine yarrow
I mean TPR is very different from a vanilla seed
Yea exactly. This is just a reference to the closest thing we got.
ionic jasper
I think I could probably add a pre routing setting
that way people can play however they want
but I am probably not gonna do that now
I have a really strong feeling the site is poorly made atm
and I really want to rework it
carmine yarrow
Oh no I am not encouraging you to do that now
ionic jasper
though
I guess it may not really matter that much either way
it barely gets used as is
probably a waste of time to rework it
carmine vigil
Don't you start your timer when you reveal the board? Is something different this time?
ionic jasper
the timer starts when the count down finishes
carmine vigil
I mean it is easy to cheat on any kind of async. You just don't do it. I am not sure what the confusion is
ionic jasper
there is no confusion
I just think its pointless to tell people they cant do something when I cant actually make them not do it
there's no consequences if you pre route the botw
so making it a rule seems redundant
carmine yarrow
it barely gets used as is
If you want this to get a bit more attention to the public you would need to make an announcement somewhere. You still got to remember this channel only a handful of people get pinged for. I also heard you wanted to add like more bingos of other games? That would give the site a bit more attention. For an official announcement, it is your decision when you want other people to know more about this game mode. Perhaps a new channel could be open in the future, similar to beta quest a slightly different way to play and run the game
carmine vigil
Having to route on the fly is like most of the fun of these. Otherwise I have no chance
I did one spoiler log race and that was enough for me lol
carmine yarrow
its not my discord
I know it is not yours but I mean you could ask. I don’t know how Lunar would feel about this but I mean channels like beta quest exist so I don’t know. It could also be used to announce the yearly Christmas bingo and such.
At least I feel like bingo is not getting promoted anywhere else and I don’t know, could be an interesting idea at least
carmine vigil
If you want more attention, I would probably announce a sync race on a weekend day
If async-leaderboard gets to survive, then maybe a bingo channel could exist. Might be a little early to create one. Let me see how many other people have done asyncs in the sheet
Kind of as expected, I submitted a time but no on else has. People like for there to be asyncs conceptually as you can see by the reactions on that post, but I think posting 21 different ones when a month has 30 days is too much. I really liked the weekly we had here though. It seems easier and more meaningful to keep up that way
ionic jasper
tbh I haven't done an async cuz I've been doing like
60 thousand different things
all at once
and im running out of energy to do any of them
carmine vigil
I am not blaming people for not doing them. I am pointing out the disconnect between how people feel about them vs what happens in reality with that excel sheet format
Having it as a single weekly like was done here seems like a better approach imo
Anyway, I will probably try to do the weekly here in a minute. I might stream so there is a VOD, but don't watch if you plan on doing it obviously lol
ionic jasper
I think Im probably just gonna take a break from doing anything all together for a bit
carmine yarrow
Sounds good. You did a lot this month
ionic jasper
not really
I haven't really accomplished anything at all that I want to do
And most the stuff I've made isn't well made at all
the bingo site runs on prayers only
and constantly disconnects people
carmine vigil
By all means take a break. The reason the bingo site disconnects people is that you developed on it so rapidly. That would happen to anyone. If it was me we wouldn't have a bingo site for another 6 months lol. I think what you have done is really valuable for trying to grow bingo, and even if it is not perfect it has still been fun
ionic jasper
im going to probably atleast finish what im doing for wind waker
cuz I've already made a bunch of images for it
carmine yarrow
While it is not perfect, you have done insane progress in such a short amount of time. For us at least it has been a fun experience.
ionic jasper
I would also like to play more bingos multiplayer wise at some point
the few Iv'e played have been fun
ionic jasper
@carmine vigil #1318110860203528223 message
carmine vigil
Just finished the one for this week. I wish you luck 
ionic jasper
hopefully nothing weird happens with the website
cuz I will be working all day
so no fixing
half escarp
I am not sure about pre routing
How can we do it anyway? Isnt the timer starting on revealing the board?
ionic jasper
You can kinda just pause the timer
quasi trench
By all means take a break. The reason the bingo site disconnects people is that ...
Totally agree
I dont code, but you have been pushing alot of work Nozzly
And most people (including myself) seem to postpone everything as much as possible, you really show alot of motivation to work on it!
ionic jasper
@half escarp quick question,
this is optimal deku toad?
if you dont have any of the other cheese strats
half escarp
with the items you have?
ionic jasper
yeah for bingo purposes
9/10 times we'd have minimal items
the only other faster thing you could do
is that BS where you boomerang the bomb into his mouth
but like
I dont wanna
half escarp
with sword only yeah that's the best, I think you noticed but there's 3 steps kinda :
defeat babies and RUSH TOWARDS TOAD for fast jump, c-up cancel for fast drop, and one cycle
if you have rang and bombs you can do 0 cycle yeah but it's basically a speedrunner only thing
ionic jasper
you dont have to rush to toad, he just has to be facing you
half escarp
you have to get close to him
carmine vigil
If you get near him he jumps up faster I think
half escarp
not facing you
carmine vigil
Idk if it is anywhere near him or near his face though
half escarp
just near him
sometimes i'm in his ass and it's fine
in this clip for example no need to go towards the head, just getting close to the ass would've been fine
ig Toad side in this case since it started turning
ionic jasper
counter point
half escarp
Some people like to jump attack toad repeatedly after killing babies for fast path towards him
ionic jasper
its not rng
he does it every single time hes facing me
across the room
obviously you'd want to get near him
carmine vigil
It might be that both things work
half escarp
Maybe, my bad, still the head isnt the defining purpose as Toad is running away from you facing away
so to go fast you rush his ass
carmine vigil
If you circle where he doesn't see you does he not jump up?
half escarp
yeah np
half escarp
he does as long as you get close enough, + timer yeah
carmine vigil
Gonna need some deku toad decomp I guess lol
half escarp
We have every boss decomped now as of recently
half escarp
idk if minibosses too, but @wise sigil ?
carmine vigil
Welcome to the biggest thread in the discord
half escarp
sorry for ping we need your wisdom
ionic jasper
but if he never faces me
it takes 10x longer
this is me trying to make him not face me
half escarp
you're missing one small detail you can fuck the babies up when they're on deku toad's back with JA autospin before they jump off, so you're closer to toad to rush him later
half escarp
fair, I often miss but still makes you closer to toad
wise sigil
idk if minibosses too, but <@81877319202910208> ?
ya everything except aeralfos and ook atm is mostly done. whats the problem here?
half escarp
What is the defining factor about toad jumping up
half escarp
Seems like toad facing us / getting close works
ionic jasper
im more than certain its him facing you and or a timer
half escarp
oh yeah and timer
ionic jasper
theres some amount of angles that works for "Facing"
so getting closer to him would make him jump faster on principle I think
half escarp
To me it would be :
babies ded, toad turns until he can notice you, when notice jump
notice can be triggered by waiting for him to see you (him turning around or waiting a long time circling around him, or getting very close to him)
carmine vigil
At the very least you have this:
ionic jasper
Otama is the little guys
wise sigil
yes i was just about to post that
half escarp
cant understand code anymore, that means timer is right?
carmine vigil
That enters the jump state. And within that code there is a searchPlayerAngle call
wise sigil
if (abs((s16)(player_angle - shape_angle.y)) < 0x1000 || fopAcM_searchPlayerDistance(this) < 700.0f)
half escarp
so yeah timer and position/angle
wise sigil
have to be within 700 units distance and the within a 0x1000 angle unit view range
ionic jasper
also
I got him to jump when I was directly behind him
are you sure thats an "And"
half escarp
oh so no timer, just position of toad and link (and angle)
ionic jasper
or an OR
wise sigil
sorry yeah thats an OR
ionic jasper
so its just be 700 units OR in this view angle
wise sigil
ya
ionic jasper
cool
carmine vigil
So I guess you can take whatever the shortest path is based on his facing
half escarp
ty very much taka
ionic jasper
you're fine
wise sigil
the walk timer is always 1200 frames btw, no rng there
ionic jasper
we werent arguing anyway
ok, thats good to know
I figured it was some sort of timer
didn't know if it was like armagohma though
since it has a range of frames rather than 1 set frame
half escarp
we werent arguing anyway
Idc about arguing with someone, I spread misinfo and I wish I didnt
ionic jasper
well take it as this
half escarp
I need to read gohma decomp so bad, I'm so confused by her
carmine vigil
Zant decomp will be clutch for trying to skip phases potentially
wise sigil
zant is done fwiw, though it is quite a big and complicated TU lol
ionic jasper
the only thing that baffles me about gohma
half escarp
I'm almost sure there's something to do with shooting her to take a more direct path to the next light when she's climbing the wall, but as often it's gamber fallacy in this game
half escarp
AH
ionic jasper
im pretty sure its based on if the cycle timer is done or not
cuz as soon as she starts walking the cycle starts
for her going towards the middle
half escarp
I tried to shoot her to trigger that, it works with right timing it seems like (almost certain I'm wrong, but that's what it feels like)
ionic jasper
I was "told" by beest that the wall she takes is the one she was facing last
half escarp
(shoot her as she crosses between wall and roof)
ionic jasper
but idk if thats entierly how that works
half escarp
that is right
half escarp
she can turn around 180 yeah I saw that aswell in ILs
ionic jasper
But im also wondering if thats based on the cycle again
half escarp
she's complicated, I wish I retained my coding knowledge ffs
ionic jasper
fwiw
I've never seen gohma go past 29 cycles before shooting
So you'll only have to worry about 29 cycles
carmine vigil
I think my record is 11
half escarp
afaik her and zelda can be infinite IN THEORY
half escarp
will never happen because of odds ofc
yeah she can take a fast path for 2 lights at the start
ionic jasper
its actually better if you get 1 fast 1 diagonal
statistically speaking
2 fast holes means you get 3
unless she turns around
then it can be 2
holistically only dependent on what hole it targets cuz she moves like a tank
half escarp
feelsToTman
ionic jasper
speaking of if I code gohma to only have 3 holes max can we use it for rando @carmine vigil
half escarp
I just realized, 2nd botw is out right?
half escarp
ionic jasper
You'll have to dm me your time like before
I dont feel like coding automated timings cuz of the site disconnecting people
better if they didn't have to restart the entire thing over 1 hour in
half escarp
I didnt dm you last time since you were there, I will post it in here anyway when I'm done
ionic jasper
no problem
carmine vigil
I would maybe do a little more than 3, like 6 or something. Three every time would maybe make things rough on casual players lol
half escarp
would be pog imo
half escarp
best of both worlds, makes casual people practice a bit to get ready fast and not waste people time lmao
ionic jasper
as gohma just is annoying
carmine vigil
I'm talking about the people who aren't even in the discord
ionic jasper
I think it would be nice if I could also check how many of the spiders exists
and just make it so gohma cant prep the laser
until they're all dead
So something like, if laser triggered but spiders still alive, go to next hole, repeat
until allowed to do laser
I think that would help for casuals allot more than longer rng
cuz sometimes I see some casuals still dealing with spiders
and then get owned by gohma
half escarp
could be nice, a deku toad like
half escarp
it can.....
ionic jasper
your roll just gets interrupted and you get squashed
half escarp
wait
carmine vigil
I mean, having it be a little hectic sometimes is good I think. I just don't think we should make it always max difficulty lol. For something like Zelda you are literally just standing there whereas you are killing baby spiders in this one
half escarp
while dealing with the babies
I'm almost sure you can, but the decomp proved otherwise right?
half escarp
I mean, having it be a little hectic sometimes is good I think. I just don't thi...
I agree on this
ionic jasper
but you'd need to take the 1200 frames to kill all of the babies
ionic jasper
so you'd need to take 40 seconds to kill the Otama
half escarp
I can see that happen, low health stuggle
ionic jasper
before it can jump
I think thats pretty generous though
where as gohma can give you a 2 hole
and shoot you
half escarp
but at the same time at this point as isaac said, we shouldnt remove too much difficulty
ionic jasper
before you take care of the spiders
the main thing is that they're in eggs
So they dont instantly get to come out
idk, I was just thinking about the struggles I've seen and how annoying gohmas rng can be
and figured just making it 3-6 holes and not firing while they're alive would be pretty good
and or it can fire when there's a minimum number of spiders left
cuz as it currently stands it could 2 hole and shoot you before you even kill the last egg
if you're not optimally killing stuff
half escarp
I think that if you have issues with gohma like this it may be time to learn quickspins, I dont see anyone quickspinning having a HUGE issue with gohma even if she does a 3 lights
ionic jasper
I guess
half escarp
At the same time some people are not here to grind, so idk really
ionic jasper
the main thing is im just a dud who plays the game
so I dont have that game design background
i just kinda do shit
also I thought of something you could do @carmine vigil for asyncs and stuff
maybe something like ootr or ship does
ship has a weekly blackout bingo seed
and ootr always has a weekly race
I could see some kind of like "async of the week"
and if there's some incentive to putting in a time then Im sure some people will do it
half escarp
I think the best bet for gohma (if possible without a load on the game's memory as it's already limited iirc) would be to make her start the process of finding a light after killing "X" Otama but maybe not the max amount, leave at at 18/20 so that if there is a struggle on last spiders you can still get rekt
carmine vigil
Are they still called Otama for Armogohma?
ionic jasper
when 1 of the twins is firing, the other one can "queue" its shot
so the instant it stops next time, if the other isn't firing, it can start its firing process
which I think would work fine for gohma
So when it would normally have fired its laser, if you've some how not killed the amount necessary for it to be allowed to fire, it just keeps doing the light traveling
until its allowed to fire and reaches a light
carmine vigil
I think maybe they are called "ko" as in children
half escarp
in code idk, but yeah in game it's young gohmas gohmas being the regular spiders in tot
ionic jasper
in oot they're called Gohma Larvae
carmine vigil
子
ionic jasper
is there a list of all the actor names
with their english parings
or is it just "find them idiot"
carmine vigil
But anyway, my point was that Otama is not the correct word for Armogohma I think. Probably should just use English
half escarp
I'm on ultimate spreadsheet trying to find it lmao
Yeah I was trying to reference deku toad as with my suggestion it would work as a toad 2.0
edited my sentence a lot and lost my train of thought, sorry
ionic jasper
@wise sigil what is gohmas name in decomp 
ionic jasper
what the heck is gm
wise sigil
ya
ionic jasper
that just means goron mines silly tp devs
wise sigil
(g)oh(m)a
carmine yarrow
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k0NTuDiIaNBX5rRj13oLQvTntA9qR1p7i3H6dEla...
THIS HAS A 2.0 AND I DIDN'T KNOW???
half escarp
obj_gm being the egg
no
there's also E_kg "young gohma"
previous one was baby gohma
I think E_kg is the babies
carmine vigil
THIS HAS A 2.0 AND I DIDN'T KNOW???
Ultimate TP Spreadsheets Spreadsheet when
ionic jasper
so does armagohmas code call the babies KOGOMA
thats what it feels like it calls them
half escarp
wait
carmine vigil
Koinu is child+dog for example
Koneko for kitten
Checks out
carmine yarrow
lmao
ionic jasper
based on this
if (i_this->mIsDisappear) {
if (i_this->mDemoMode == 0) {
daE_GM_c* kogoma = (daE_GM_c*)fpcM_Search(s_ko2_get, i_this);
if (kogoma != NULL) {
fopAc_ac_c* ko_actor = kogoma;
i_this->field_0x1cec = ko_actor->current.pos;
i_this->field_0x1cf8 = kogoma->CheckDeath();
if (i_this->field_0x1cf8 != 0) {
if (i_this->field_0x1cf8 == 1) {
i_this->mDemoMode = 40;
} else {
i_this->mDemoMode = 50;
}
Z2GetAudioMgr()->bgmStop(0x1E, 0);
Z2GetAudioMgr()->bgmStreamPrepare(0x200004F);
Z2GetAudioMgr()->bgmStreamPlay();
a_this->field_0x566 = 0;
}
}
}
I think this is gohma death
wise sigil
its my fork of the original to add new stuff and cleanup old stuff
carmine vigil
Demo usually means cutscene I think
half escarp
its my fork of the original to add new stuff and cleanup old stuff
I was not aware, damn nice
ionic jasper
so gohma is fully ok to port into a mod?
for testing around with ideas
or would this not work
with REL
carmine vigil
You mean OoT Gohma?
carmine vigil
There is the entire models + animations + sound, etc. side of this as well
ionic jasper
so I cant just change the code?
carmine vigil
It depends on what you mean by "porting"
That to me implies a lot more going on
If you just mean a small change to the code, then that isn't a big deal to patch I think
ionic jasper
how would I go about doing that
cuz im pretty sure Armagohma is not part of the Rel template
so I'd have to like put it in there
carmine vigil
Since Armogohma is loaded dynamically, you have to patch the REL when it gets loaded. We do this to fix the SPR small key lock softlock for example in the rando code
ionic jasper
So you'd need to check if Armogohma is loaded?
carmine vigil
You need to hook into when it gets loaded. And clean up when it gets unloaded I think
ionic jasper
maybe I should stick to easier stuff for now
cuz I have no idea how id even start to do that
carmine vigil
That's why I was recommending making changes to the rando code. It should be a lot easier to add an extra item to something that already has 10 items
So you can see the full pattern
half escarp
Could be a nice point to get better at it if you feel you're behind on this, as passionate motivation can give you an extra boost
ionic jasper
I mean looking at how certain stuff is done is helpful
but it confuses me more than anything
half escarp
I feel you lmao
ionic jasper
not saying tp rando is poorly made or anything
half escarp
Try to check it out anyway if you have some time, maybe it'll be different this time around
ionic jasper
more just I dont know c++ that well, and I don't know what the fuck im looking at in the TP stuff at all
and tp rando is an existing built project
so it has tons of files everywhere
so I could see an implementation and be like "oh so thats how you do that"
where in reality its connected to like 10 other files
that all do the shit it needs
half escarp
I get it
ionic jasper
I've got a working chaos mode that I built from scratch
and I understand how some stuff works allot more doing it
thats just how I learn personally
carmine vigil
events.cpp onRELLink function is where we patch RELs that load
ionic jasper
yeah but what does that even mean
carmine vigil
Oh yeah this is not a good place to start if you are new to it
ionic jasper
thats what I said before yeah
all the auto tracking stuff I cheated on
cuz its just using python
where as this is actual c++
as far as I know
half escarp
thats just how I learn personally
me too I get it completely, I would continue to suggest you keep it in mind though and dont be afraid to simply ask if you need you can get good wisdom and knowledge quickly from the right people
ionic jasper
this language sucks ass
carmine vigil
cpp makes more sense when you think of it like assembly lol. At least for me
ionic jasper
I dont know assembly either
the only reason im not like completly lost
is cuz I know Rust
and Rust is closer to c++
than python anyway
they're still very different
wise sigil
use cpp like C with classes ignore all templating and polymorphism bs
ionic jasper
this is what my chaos mode looks like atm
lol
dont ask how long I was in stack overflow
most of this was just me learning how cpp works and how to do some stuff I'd know how to do in python
but Im still pretty clueless on most of this stuff
carmine yarrow
is the server for bingo down currently?
carmine vigil
Are you doing the weekly
carmine yarrow
hmm weird, it gives me error messages when it tries to generate a board
carmine yarrow
<:ManChicken:596539472502325278> Are you doing the weekly <:ManChicken:59653947...
That was my plan innitially yea
carmine yarrow
just wanted to screenshot it lmao
carmine vigil
We finally fixed that issue where it the seed queue would go out of control, but people would speedrun killing the site when it showed up lol
ionic jasper
I guess something broke
carmine yarrow
can you try to generate a regular bingo
still get same error
ionic jasper
actually I dont think anything broke
I think githubs being annoying
oh
I think i know what the issue was
lol
random 3 on line 92
thats probably breaking the goals json
carmine yarrow
can I try again?
ionic jasper
no
it has to reboot
anytime I change goals or server code I have to reset the server
it should be up now
the botw might fail to generate for a few minutes though
until the server is fully back up
it did work for me though
carmine yarrow
thank you!
ionic jasper
so
oh yeah I probably have to spoil this goal for anyone playing
for this goal you may talk to the same species as long as they are 5 different ones
half escarp
as different cats?
carmine vigil
I assume because the text update was more recent?
ionic jasper
going forward in future bingos you'll need to do 5 different species
but for this botw
you may talk to 5 cats
if you want
as long as its 5 different cats
species implies 1 chicken, 1 cat, 1 frog, etc
half escarp
NO
ionic jasper
but the language wasn't updated when isaac did a run
half escarp
I will do 5 different animals
ionic jasper
so for fairness you can talk to the same species
if you want to
then do 5 different ones smh
carmine vigil
chicken, dog, frog, horse, cat. Any others?
carmine yarrow
yea I will also do 5 different animals alltogether
ionic jasper
the boars count
carmine yarrow
I want this to be a little harder for myself lmao
half escarp
goats?
ionic jasper
I dont think you can talk to the goats
carmine vigil
Squirrel, but idk if you can find one normally
ionic jasper
im pretty sure they just ram you
ionic jasper
Squirrel, but idk if you can find one normally
night time ordon he should be there
half escarp
squireel is cutscene
ionic jasper
I think
half escarp
100% sure, it's part of 300% 
ionic jasper
but its pretty easy to find 5 without him
carmine vigil
Don't worry, you guys will still beat my time this week
half escarp
can talk to hawk
carmine yarrow
Oh that is a good one, I have not even thought of that
ionic jasper
I also changed the claw shot target language to specify 10 different targets
so you may no longer spam the same 2 claw shot targets anymore
half escarp
can talk to bird (plumm, trill)
half escarp
true
carmine yarrow
lol that is fair haha
ionic jasper
counting to trill counts as human too
so stealing from him would count as talking to him
half escarp
can talk to fish, zora 
ionic jasper
carmine vigil
No lol
half escarp
can talk to bird, ooccoo
ionic jasper
at that point might as well say "yeto counts too hyuck hyuck"
carmine yarrow
please no, I don't want to hunt for Ooccoo
carmine yarrow
is the mirror a species
carmine vigil
Mayonnaise is not an instrument
half escarp
seems to be 7, cat dog bird hawk frog horse chicken
ionic jasper
horse raddish is not an instrument either
carmine yarrow
does golden wolf count?
carmine vigil
Can you talk to him in rando?
half escarp
doesnt talk as wolf anyway
ionic jasper
you have to
carmine yarrow
Howling Stones
half escarp
smart
carmine vigil
I guess he talks to you after you howl the 2nd time?
carmine yarrow
yea he does normally
half escarp
big brain
carmine yarrow
I mean it is a wolf
ionic jasper
technically
ionic jasper
its a ghost
carmine yarrow
lmao
carmine vigil
Can you talk to the monkeys in FT?
half escarp
you can talk to any monkey except rose iirc
ionic jasper
maybe
half escarp
lemme check
carmine vigil
The pre-skullKid one is gone obviously for rando
half escarp
Ah the opposite, the only talk you can get with rose is the one pre skullkid it seems like
I only wrote down that unnamed monkeys cannot be talked to, maybe rose can be talked to somewhere else and pre ToT was the fastest for my route
Anyways, human animal, ez
half escarp
A pleasure just like stallord skip
half escarp
genug
ionic jasper
wait I have an idea @wise sigil would the arbiters gate stuff be in that v2 list
I assume its called obj_lv4PoGate
carmine yarrow
didn't finish the board, it got late and I got frustrated by my inability to do stuff. I chose bad bingos and after ||failing the Epona OoB to Hidden Village because of bad Epona Placement|| I had enough... This one was more difficult but still fun to play, I enjoyed it. my routing was just meh...
wise sigil
I assume its called obj_lv4PoGate
that'd be the 4 poe gate ya
devout onyx
Welcome to the biggest thread in the discord
its really its own channel at this point
devout onyx
I've got a working chaos mode that I built from scratch
oh woah?
devout onyx
I also changed the claw shot target language to specify 10 different targets
that is targeting me, specifically 
okay ive caught up to all the rambling
but it does appear that BOTW is up and running, so i plan on giving that a go
ionic jasper
that is targeting me, specifically <:sunnyglasses:939741226834481182>
Na
You're just the only person brazen enough to do something so cheesy
devout onyx
listen, its RAW
rules as written
yes i play tcg why do you ask
also "brazen" NO ONE SAID I COULDNT
i asked TWICE
ionic jasper
So mad, and for what smh
devout onyx
because it was a good bit, I understand obviously why it was changed but man i had a good thing going