Standardize Bingo

[quasi trench]

Over the entire board corners are the least likely to be picked by anything tho

Just mathematically xd

[devout onyx]

i mean yeah

[ionic jasper]

I also don't think I'll add difficulty options atm

[devout onyx]

yeah because what can even constitute as a difficulty?

[ionic jasper]

There's allot of goals i could say are easy

But some of them are more subjective

I think spinner is an easy goal

Others won't

I think categorized by average length makes more sense

[quasi trench]

There is always an objectively harder task tho

[quasi trench]

For rando or no rando?

[ionic jasper]

Sure, I didn't say there isn't

But the vast majority of goals are subjective and based on the individuals skill

[quasi trench]

Cause it also be influences on by how many items you need to even get there / do the task

[ionic jasper]

If I defined what I thought, you could set all mediums and get arbiters+zant phantoms

[quasi trench]

Ofcourse

[ionic jasper]

Cuz those aren't hard

[quasi trench]

I guess so

[ionic jasper]

Which is why I said it's better to do it by length rather than perceived difficulty

[quasi trench]

I havent even done many 1.3 seeds yet xD

[ionic jasper]

Regardless of how hard arbiters is, getting spinner takes longer than getting claw shot

[quasi trench]

Been outta the game for a lil bit

[ionic jasper]

To clarify, there is no separate of rando vs the plando

[quasi trench]

Im with that 100%

I meant for rando/plando compared to basegame

[ionic jasper]

Dunno what you mean

[quasi trench]

But yeah the time they take are a big influence

[ionic jasper]

We don't play with the base game

Cuz the base game isn't usable for bingo

[quasi trench]

Thats just what I asked

Yeah Idk that

I just play

[ionic jasper]

It's too restrictive and linear

[quasi trench]

Agreed tho im sure some people don't

[ionic jasper]

Unlike a game like oot where you can do several easy tricks to get out of the beginner area and then just do whatever you want

I could ask jeez if he'd run tp bingo on vanilla and I think he'd probably say no

Every seed would basically just be the same thing for the first hour

Wouldn't be that fun

And it would also be mega gated by several hard tricks

idk, I think its just better to do it the way im doing it now I think

[quasi trench]

Sounds like good ol' Tp

[ionic jasper]

allot is going to change with the current plando

but im more waiting for the new changes

[carmine yarrow]

A big factor that this is on vanilla not as fun is just because of the twilight sections, mdh, sewers and prologue just take in so much of the beginning time

[ionic jasper]

Id like to have twilights as goals

but the current way they work makes me feel like

even if they aren't goals

you'd have to do them anyway

[carmine yarrow]

that is the problem exactly

[quasi trench]

Yeah its why Im done playing vanilla in general

[ionic jasper]

im probably gonna remove the instant portaling everywhere

[quasi trench]

I dont have enough real motivation and or time to run vanilla

Remove or be optional

[ionic jasper]

just remove

There's atleast gonna be 2 plandoed versions

[quasi trench]

Ah for plando you mean

Yeah that makes sense

[ionic jasper]

1 for regular bingo and 1 for rush

if you wanna play rando itself then you can just make your own seed

[quasi trench]

Exactly

[ionic jasper]

rush will have some removed goals like all portals

and all provinces

since those are given on start

for regular bingo modes you'd not have every portal, only some essential ones

So you'd still need to collect some portals

@devout onyx incase you needed this as well

full speed no commentary

[devout onyx]

insane work

gotta learn me all these things

[ionic jasper]

I confirmed with other people that this is the way everyone does it

So

I wouldn't stick to the other one

[devout onyx]

yeah thats a smart idea, its just the one that came up when i googled it lmao

i wanna learn a whole bunch of these tricks they seem very helpful lmao

[ionic jasper]

what other ones do you need to know

[devout onyx]

i dont even know what i dont know

someone yesterday mentioned that map glitch and epona oob would held get to hidden village without doing tot, which would be good for the howl stones

[carmine yarrow]

that was me

[devout onyx]

i thought it wasn but i wasnt certain and didnt wanna quote you mistakenly

[carmine yarrow]

another I think would be useful is learning to do Stars 1 without Clawshot. Since rando has progressive items you can easily just snatch the bow there very quickly without going through Goron Mines

[ionic jasper]

I dont know if epona oob is worth picking up if you dont plan to be competitive

cuz its not fun or easy

[devout onyx]

youre right, but i think map glitch would be helpful maybe?

for mist or smth

[ionic jasper]

map glitch is helpful

[devout onyx]

but also stars 1 without clawshot? curious

[ionic jasper]

but I think the way the plando is set up

its not super useful

cuz all of the uses you would use for it get relegated

[carmine yarrow]

we don't really need map glitch besides Epona OoB to Hidden Village perhaps which would take long to set up aswell

[ionic jasper]

if I closed off snow peak and then put up bulbin camp

then you have 2 major map glitch uses again

[carmine yarrow]

there is no goal related to mist area. And anyways we can get Lantern near by

[ionic jasper]

do you think there should be one related to the mist area

[devout onyx]

i mean other then die in mist?

[ionic jasper]

eh

[devout onyx]

i was also thinking of rjust rando usage in general, i suppose

[ionic jasper]

I wonder if "kill X poes in Y province" is a good goal

[devout onyx]

would be alot better then 30 poes

i kid but man that took way longer then expected

[ionic jasper]

Well

You haven't seen the "turn in all bugs" goal

[devout onyx]

i mean, i know all the bug locations tho

if you have clawshot you can get all of them

[ionic jasper]

I can get all of them with boomerang I think

also it only goes up to 30 poes

[devout onyx]

oh thank god

[ionic jasper]

I didn't make 60 a goal

also "collect bug" only goes up to 12

while turn in bug can go all the way up to max

[devout onyx]

yeah

but in regards to learning skips, i trink focussing on dungeon specifi skips might be a better use of my time, like getting poe 1 skip down, or maybe early boomerang

[ionic jasper]

poe 1 skip is pretty easy in concept

its more just one you have to do allot

[devout onyx]

yeah ive only been able to get it a few times

[carmine yarrow]

early boomerang is a little annoying to do. And it might screw you up if you accidentally forget to save

[ionic jasper]

also im gonna remove the "chests" on silver rupees

cuz the only 2 silver rupee chests are in castle

so im just gonna have it say 2 silver rupees

so you atleast can get 1 of them out of castle

[devout onyx]

yeah you can get silver rupees from jiovani at all 60 poes, kak bell, the two in castle, and iiiii forget the other one

oh yeah plumm max points

gives a silver rupee

[ionic jasper]

plumm max points isn't a check I can put anything on

So yeah

[devout onyx]

oh i know, it just is a silver rupee if someone was more willing to do plumm then get into hyrule castle

[ionic jasper]

what I meant was

it doesn't exist

[devout onyx]

OH

gotcha

[ionic jasper]

they both give the same reward

[devout onyx]

i see i see

[ionic jasper]

someone got max score one time and it gave the max reward instead

and locked them out of iron boots

so now it just gives you the 10k point reward either way

pretty sure

[devout onyx]

aah okay gotcha

makes sense

[ionic jasper]

@pale vale Is it possible to make max points plumm a check? 🤔

[carmine yarrow]

no the 10k points is for the heart piece, the silver rupee after is not randomized

[ionic jasper]

yeah

[carmine yarrow]

if you get max points on your first try you still get the heart piece check as a reward first regardless

[ionic jasper]

what I was saying was Im pretty sure even if you get max points

he gives you the 10k point one

[carmine yarrow]

yes

[ionic jasper]

im not aware if doing it again would give you the other reward

[devout onyx]

yeah like lunar has it programmed that way you mena

[ionic jasper]

cuz you already got the max one

[carmine yarrow]

yes it gives you the other one after that

[ionic jasper]

Well, regardless

it would be nice if plumm would just give you both of them if you got max

instead of only 1

like horse archery

new idea unlocked from the oot community

[devout onyx]

oh?

[ionic jasper]

they have this thing called exploration bingo

where you start with 4 visible squares in the middle

[devout onyx]

oooh like a fog of war

[ionic jasper]

yeah

[devout onyx]

that sounds exciting

[ionic jasper]

completing goals lets you see other ones

the idea is you have to do all 25

so its kind of a blackout

but literally

[devout onyx]

like a full blackout but also rush, in that you dont know what youre gonnahave to do next

[ionic jasper]

I think it would be fun if you played with more people though

as a team

So people just spread out into the different paths and all that

[devout onyx]

ooh yeah that does sound cool

[ionic jasper]

its fun until you get to the edge and the goal waiting for you in the fog of war is "defeat zant"

[devout onyx]

the real jumpscare

[ionic jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/zant-twilight-princess-boo-zant-jumpscare-jumpscare-gif-27579882

[devout onyx]

deadass reaction cam

[carmine yarrow]

I like the idea personally

[ionic jasper]

with more people could also scale the board up

if 25 is too easy

cuz it would just be a normal bingo board

but tiles are hidden until adjacent ones are completed

[carmine yarrow]

do diagonals also get revealed? I hope not, otherwise diagonal squares would be far too poweful

[ionic jasper]

it would only reveal 1 square

I would think

So not only would you know what the next one is, but what direction it takes you too

[devout onyx]

like you could choose which square gets revealed maybe

[ionic jasper]

I need to look into it a bit more though

[carmine yarrow]

Oh that is an interesting idea, though I think then there is a lack of options if that is the case

I thought of giving away all 4 adjacent squares (top, bottom, left, right) as that doesn't reveal too much information but still gives a decent amount of options to the players

[devout onyx]

definitley a near idea

[ionic jasper]

@carmine vigil i think it's time we make a "fundamental tricks to learn for bingo"

[ionic jasper]

#1318110860203528223 message already made one of the important ones for saving time on morpheel

[devout onyx]

tell me more about this

[carmine yarrow]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dxgub92B6Rw there are not many videos I am finding about this but here is a YouTueb Short

[devout onyx]

can i get to, and beat darkhammer without clawshot or nah

[carmine yarrow]

yes you can. that will mean you have to go through the vanilla way of getting the Ordon Pumpkin

[devout onyx]

yeah but would it be faster then getting clawshot? all ive left on my card is iza 2, killa lizalfos, and defeat darkhammer

[carmine yarrow]

No I would do vanilla way

[devout onyx]

yeah figured going out of my way for clawshot would be slower

[ionic jasper]

Only time you'd get claw shot is if you need to do more than just dark hammer

For spr

[carmine yarrow]

Or if you have goals related to the clawshot so you need it anyways

[devout onyx]

that seems incredibly difficult to pull off lmao

[ionic jasper]

It's not easy

But it does skip the mines bow

[devout onyx]

true

[carmine vigil]

I probably am not going to have time to do this anytime soon, but I think the most important tricks are probably EBF to get rang and getting to Deku Toad quickly.
Essentially getting the really important items. B&C is probably also important / freezard ladder stuff / basically all of the easy broken SPR stuff

Another important thing to know is that you can do this once you have rang:

• warp to Iza
• enter and get the bomb bag
• warp to Kak
• use wolf jumps to get to roof
• tap bomb button => c-up => aim at bell => quickly tap and release boomerang button => get silver Rupee
• then you can go buy a permanent bomb bag with that silver Rupee and possibly swap to water bombs if you want by selling the lent bombs

[devout onyx]

EBF?

[carmine vigil]

Basically there is a byte that the game uses in several different ways. One of the ways it gets used is for saying how many monkeys you have saved in FT. So you can manipulate the value so that you already have all of the monkeys when you go to FT. Then you just go in a straight line directly to the miniboss. All of those statements might not be 100% accurate, but that is the main idea
https://www.zeldaspeedruns.com/tp/tech/early-boss-fights

[ionic jasper]

I think there's more fundamental tricks to learn

Each dungeon has that 1 trick you should know

[carmine vigil]

I think the stuff I mentioned is important, but it might not be the friendliest starting point. But right now my state of mind is "damn, I need to start actually getting code merged for S2" lol in addition to general life upkeep, so not sure when the spirit will move me to try to make a video for this. So don't wait on me or anything

[ionic jasper]

I can work on stuff

[ionic jasper]

I actually am thinking of adding a whole section on the website that explains every goal and how to complete them, and a little tricks list for the stuff you would want to learn for bingo

[ionic jasper]

it begins

[carmine yarrow]

There are many things that are good to learn. I think good timesavers are LJA to Diababa, a few LJA on the way to the CitS Aeralfos (perhaps even Aeralfos Skip), and the fast LJAs to get through the central room to Deku Toad fast.
Another thing I can think of is Kitty Climb in Goron Mines but it is very jank, I don’t even know how to do it myself with fast boots and might be risky

[half escarp]

Same as with normal boots

[carmine yarrow]

Oh right wait, this doesn’t change stuff. I guess then I just fucked something up

[half escarp]

Just changes the movement with boots being a bit faster, as usual it’s annoying when it’s set by default with no way to toggle it on or off

[quasi trench]

What about kill 1 poe in X, y, and z provinces?

[quasi trench]

Yes, totally with that and preferably kinda sorted on skill (kinda)

[quasi trench]

(I didnt take banned things in account in case there are) But I'd add maybe

• Ookless Diababa
• Pillarclip w Zora armor
• Argorok quick cycle both phases

And alot of Ljas / General routing are important obviously, like for example SPR routing since theres quite alot you can do

[carmine yarrow]

Pillar Clip is not necessary as the rock is gone for our settings

[ionic jasper]

Yeah man let's force people to do pillar clip in the for fun game mode

[quasi trench]

With ZA its not too bad at all tho

But if the rock is gone, thats it

[half escarp]

I was about to say ZA pillar clip is fine

[quasi trench]

I thought id be able to atleast cut the image on discord mobile smh

[ionic jasper]

Maybe, but I'd rather just not make that forced

Cuz if you have to pillar clip it's faster to do it without ZA than to go through the sequence to get it if the goals speed, and that makes you have to get a bomb bag off rip instead of skipping it with simple ljas

Assuming your goal in lbt lets you skip bombs

I'm also not sure ookless is something I'd call a fundamental bingo trick

It saves time but it's not something that's making your seed way more playable unlike ljas to deku toad does imo

Cuz if you have to turn water wheels on just to get to toad you're losing upwards to 10 minutes per seed

[devout onyx]

doesnt that requiore fighting king bulbin once? Which is impossible in rando

[ionic jasper]

I'll probably include ookless in the optional tricks

[devout onyx]

the edlin bridge king bulbin fight

[ionic jasper]

Bit puts you in bulblin 1 after you continue on death

And you just hit reset as soon as you skip

[carmine yarrow]

No you skip the cutscene during the fade out of resetting

always reset before the skip

[ionic jasper]

Well what i mean was

Rando auto skips

[carmine yarrow]

since it is rando the game will also try to skip as soon as possible so you only need to input the reset at the correct time

[ionic jasper]

So you can just hit reset as soon as you see the s button

Cuz its gonna do it frame 1

[carmine yarrow]

No when it skips the cutscene there is no fade out. It instantly fades to black and the reset then happens once the fight starts

you literally have to reset before you see the game skipping the cutscene

[ionic jasper]

Ok i guess

[devout onyx]

ah ok, ive never done bit or bite so i wasnt sure what y'all were referring to then lmao ill need to figure that out

[ionic jasper]

I always do it when I see s and it works

Maybe I just have a fast reaction time

[ionic jasper]

It's not super necessary

[devout onyx]

ive never done it/never tried it before so, seems good to know

[ionic jasper]

Mostly it skips needing to save the 4 monkeys

[devout onyx]

especially if it gets all 4 monkeys faster, that would be good for getting rang nice and early

[ionic jasper]

Can just go straight to ook

And it also let's you look at deku toad through the ceiling

Instead of going around

[devout onyx]

that with star 1 without claw would get you bow and rang super early, which would save alot of time not doing forest/mines

[ionic jasper]

Another thing is dark hammer will already be loaded in for the fight, so it skips the cutscene

[half escarp]

yeah makes sense dw

[ionic jasper]

Also if you get ebf I don't think you need water bombs

Cuz deku toad is the main requirement for it, not that you need it without ebf

Since you can pot push through the rock

[half escarp]

imo every boss trick should be "mandatory", as in it's basically most of the time not glitches but tricks to save time ; Ookless, juggle bombs / Fyrus, regrab chain / eel, regrabs / stallord, quick knockdown / blizzeta, one cycle / Armogohma nothing / argorok 2 cycle or flame skips / zant virtually nothing / ganondorf same

mandatory is the wrong word

[ionic jasper]

fundamental is what im calling tjem

[half escarp]

I should say fundamental yeah

thanks

[ionic jasper]

and the boss fights aren't fundamentally required for playing bingo

they save time

[half escarp]

not required, but as tricks to start learning I'd go with that

[ionic jasper]

I think something like skipping 10-15 minutes of lbt is allot more important

[half escarp]

rather than one random LJA here and there

oh yeah lakebed takes priority in this situation lmao

[ionic jasper]

Im not thinking about random ljas

idk what other lja would even be that important

beside like the one to diababa

LBT boss key skip would be one I consider a fundamental too

[half escarp]

just vulgarizing my bad, just came out of work I have to get into english mind its gonna take a few

[half escarp]

I agree, along with the new goron mines trick

kitty climb

[ionic jasper]

since that saves tons of time too

yeah kitty climb is really good to know

[half escarp]

ez as fuck when learned and saves a shit ton of time

[ionic jasper]

I feel like knowing how to do SPR fast is important

cuz having to do it vanilla is slow as fuck

[half escarp]

spr has a million ways to execute unfortunately

[ionic jasper]

I think just knowing how to do freezard latter skip is probably good enough

cuz you can just get the cannon ball

[half escarp]

lfc is a big one indeed yeah

yeah you can pickup the ball put it in mechanism, do LFC, get ball for free

[ionic jasper]

Id say the freezard clip to skip the cannon is good to know

but its probably not super important

It does skip needing to get a bomb bag though

as far as bosses go

[half escarp]

classic freezard skip is hard to get down

so imo it's out of the fundamentals

just like pillar clip no zora armor

[ionic jasper]

id probably include their tricks here

in the index

rather than in a fundamentals section

[half escarp]

makes sense yeah

[ionic jasper]

but im gonna be making videos for every check

so

[half escarp]

btw don't hesitate to ping me if you ever need, I'm often with my phone nearby but not in discord during the day

[ionic jasper]

If you have videos on hand for allot of the harder stuff that would be useful

[half escarp]

well don't hesitate either if you need someone to record something for you

[ionic jasper]

I have to figure out what should be included in the videos/format though

[half escarp]

I probably don't have a recording ready ready, but just 5mins at home and I can get the clips you need for any trick I'm pretty sure

I wanted to do a compilation area per area of every trick I know, could be useful on the long term

[carmine yarrow]

same, I can do it

[half escarp]

also a lot of vids are on ZSR already, just hard to find sometimes

[ionic jasper]

defeat armagohma probably doesn't even need a video

so that ones easy enough for me to do

and im good at the mirror shard bosses

though I guess better execution wouldn't hurt

[half escarp]

let us know anytime, or even in the speedrunning discord I'm sure people available would be glad to help record some tricks

thanks for the huge amount of time you're putting into this o7

[ionic jasper]

I some how did dangoro fast strat

without trying to

without a shield

🤔

[half escarp]

yeah that's setupless, very hard and very precise

[ionic jasper]

I mean I kinda did a set up

I just assumed it wouldn't work

[half escarp]

there always is kinda yeah

[ionic jasper]

cuz I thought you needed shield

[half escarp]

https://youtu.be/C8Nx8KH8UO4?si=wl0X_IHxDhxguLOg&t=204

without shielding ^

[ionic jasper]

my execution in that bingo was crazy anyway

cuz I got all 3 fast chains on fyrus too

[half escarp]

there's a lot of positions to do it from but its very precise if not using the classic Master sword setup

[half escarp]

gg, that's not too bad once you're used to it

[ionic jasper]

I dont really know how fyrus works

I just did it later than I thought I needed to

https://www.twitch.tv/nozomup/clip/SavoryFlirtyElephantSquadGoals-8KfI2-PJLTfnguqz

is this how the set up is done

[half escarp]

basically for the regrabs on fyrus you wait for him to spew fire everywhere, when he raises his arms

better late than early on this trick yeah but there's a lot of available frames (which looks late)

[half escarp]

wtf

[ionic jasper]

even I was confused in the video just looking at him like "wtf that worked?"

[half escarp]

interesting, thanks for the timesave lmao seems like you don't need to shield with the classic MS setup

or MAYBE it's lucky on when you pressed A, maybe a tiny bit late allowing it to work idk

[ionic jasper]

dunno

would need to mess with it later

[ionic jasper]

if i get multiplayer working would anyone like to do a coop or something to help me test it

🤔

thats what I've mainly been working on beside the about and goals list

[carmine yarrow]

depends on the time but sure

[ionic jasper]

I do sorta have it going

once I have this working I will be satisfied I think for awhile

lmao

[ionic jasper]

progress

were loaded into the same game on 2 different sites with 2 different names now

I didn't think I'd get this far

[devout onyx]

always

[ionic jasper]

also

more than 2 people can join it

I don't think there's any limitations on it

[ionic jasper]

boys

I did it

[carmine yarrow]

Yes that looks nice

[ionic jasper]

fucking multiplayers working

[carmine yarrow]

now only lockout is missing

[ionic jasper]

I have to fix rush mode

it works

but if a player marks a goal

all 3 change for both

so you just get cucked out of a goal

but im not gonna push that update for now

or maybe I should

[ionic jasper]

the update for multiplayer is live now, there's a few things I need to fix

but everythings going

[ionic jasper]

oh wow I didn't even see this was on the board

lmao

[ionic jasper]

the old version of the website is back on live for now

actually I guess it doesn't have to be

lemme just fix some stuff

[ionic jasper]

@half escarp I got multiplayer working today, soon lockout will be up and then we can race

[carmine vigil]

Multiplayer that fast is also crazy lol

[ionic jasper]

I dont think it was fast

that shit was hard

was bashing my head trying to figure it out lol

and im still struggling with it

You wanna run the fade @carmine vigil

i need a new hair cut

[carmine vigil]

If you mean do a lockout race, maybe tomorrow or Wednesday would work for me

[ionic jasper]

there is no lockout atm

I have to code it

[carmine vigil]

I am in a permanent state of needing a haircut except when I'm not

[ionic jasper]

nice lol

Apparently rush doesn't work correctly, but it kinda does at the same time

mainly jus that

the 2 players get 2 different boards

[ionic jasper]

now updated so you can just play solo @devout onyx

if you hit the load seed button at the bottom it'll make a board for you without needing to make a room

and for whoever else

also can have more than 2 people

if you really want

I go sleep now

more stuff to fix later

[ionic jasper]

oh yeah lockout also is coded now

so whenever you wanna do one just let me know

[half escarp]

[devout onyx]

[ionic jasper]

[carmine yarrow]

hell yea lockout race would be so fun

[ionic jasper]

The board is calculated per square marked atm

So when there's not enough squares for a player to win, the other will win automatically

I also got in the leave room button

Which basically solves all the issues I was having earlier

The only thing left to do i think is make it so when you do multiplayer rush you don't have different goals

I suck at bit apparently

[devout onyx]

well if you do a standard 5x5, isnt it first to 13?

[carmine yarrow]

if it is 2 v 2 then yes

or 1 v 1 oops

[devout onyx]

i mean its the same either way i suppose

2v2 or 1v1, first "side" to 13 wins

[ionic jasper]

yeah

but I needed the system to be dynamic

[devout onyx]

ah okay, like an automatic win condition

[ionic jasper]

yeah

i dont have to do more work for other board sizes

if it just auto does it

[devout onyx]

true

dies it work for more then a 1v1 scenario? like a 3 way lockout?

though i suppose it would be difficult to determine a second place if the board locks after someone wins

[ionic jasper]

oh @carmine yarrow how does 1 clear ebf lol

would just hard turning off the thing work

[ionic jasper]

I wasn't thinking about more than 1v1

cuz lockout doesn't work well if there's more than 2 people or 2 teams

[carmine yarrow]

you could void on the monkey bridge

besides that only bosses clear it iirc

[ionic jasper]

looks like just turning off the game on emulator also works

Im probably just gonna do the ordon bridge bit

cuz the forest temple one is a little too annoying for me

[carmine yarrow]

that is fair, Forest BiT needs practice

[ionic jasper]

I get the jump slash out of bounds consistently

but the reset never works

Id rather lose whatever time it takes to warp and run in

cuz atleast thats consistent

for me

can do ordon bridge bite really fast

that aside you can get bomb bag + boomerang + zora armor in under 8 minutes

with bite

so thats cool

[devout onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-revenge-of-sith-anakin-vader-darth-vader-gif-19644107

[ionic jasper]

ya

bit isn't hard if you do the consistent method

its just slower than the fast methods

[devout onyx]

where are you looking for reference?

I wanna give my hand at atrying it since im up so ungodly early

[ionic jasper]

do you know how to do the reset combo on the controller

start + X + B

but B has to be last

[devout onyx]

you mean start x b?

oh i just kinda hold themn all at once and it does it yeah

for save and quit

[ionic jasper]

yeah for bit

you hit start then X then B

B has to be last cuz of the way you do it

[devout onyx]

yeah its a two handed thing ofr me on xbox controller but i am able to do it yeah

this?

[ionic jasper]

can you unplug your controller

and hold the buttons

[devout onyx]

its wireless

[ionic jasper]

cuz if you cant

its frame perfect

so good luck

[devout onyx]

i use a series x controller lmao

[ionic jasper]

you have to open the map and hit A on the same frame

you dont get to retry if you miss the frame, you just fall into the void and pick up a heart

[devout onyx]

is it the same for the forest temple bit?

[ionic jasper]

kinda

its not very easy to do though in forest

[devout onyx]

cant believe im being throttled by my use of innovative wireless controllers

[ionic jasper]

its still frame perfect on forest pretty sure

you just pause buffer it there

[devout onyx]

so id need to use a wired controller to have an easier time with this glitch?

[ionic jasper]

if you want it to be 100% consistent

yes

[devout onyx]

[ionic jasper]

otherwise you'd just have to get use to hitting A + dpad right

[devout onyx]

so consider this

[ionic jasper]

on the same frame

[devout onyx]

the reason i use wireless

is that for me, when controller is unplugged in solphin, it doesnt uh

reconnect

i have to go into solphin and force it to aknowledge the controller again

bcuz i used to use wired for my races last year, but the usb port on the front onmy case is finicky, and it caused issues

[ionic jasper]

well I dont know anything about how that works

forest bit would be easier to learn probably for you

[devout onyx]

so im unsure if i will be able to do it if it required inputs shortly after, ill take a look at some video tutorials and see if its doable

[ionic jasper]

you'd just have to pause buffer with the item wheel like they do

and be good at hitting the frame

apparently you can also do it with oocoo

as soon as he starts spinning you'd hit the reset combo

[devout onyx]

so would you wanna do bit/bite as soon as you load into the game?

[ionic jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOgViAu_u-U&t=40s

[ionic jasper]

have to make sure you save the game for starter

otherwise when you do bit you wont have a save file to load

[devout onyx]

right but you need to have an existing save file to load for bite right?

[ionic jasper]

you'd just save, do bite

and then load your save again

and the boss flags will be set

I think forest bit would be easier for you though

given you can use the item wheel vs unplugging

[devout onyx]

okay so all i need is sword, lantern, and boots

easy enough

[ionic jasper]

you dont need boots

the reason they have boots is cuz its the any% route

[devout onyx]

they use the equip of the boots as a timing tho, but ill also take a look at the method youre using with unplugged see if its worth to have my controller connected for begining of a seed

[carmine yarrow]

they equip the boots because you need to press X for the reset combo

[devout onyx]

yeah but they did mention something about hitting the reset as soon as the boots were done being equipped

[ionic jasper]

like I said

you dont need boots

[carmine yarrow]

Oh yea if you do it too early the item wheel doesn't close before the Iron Boots are fully equipped so the timing would not work you need to wait after they are equipped, then do the rest of the reset combo

[ionic jasper]

just use lantern

only get boots if you need it for the board

also maybe forest bit isn't that hard

[devout onyx]

yeah but youre like, super cool

[ionic jasper]

if you miss the frame I think you'll just go outside

so this is more forgiving than the other one

[devout onyx]

so where im being lost, is what to do after you get on the menu scren here, as all the things im reading are saying to load a secondary file or to have a file that has zora armor bomb and boomerang?>

[ionic jasper]

uhh

1 sec

[ionic jasper]

I can record the whole sequence

dont follow the rest of that tutorial

cuz its for any%

and they play on the bite file

which will delete your shadow crystal for our purpose

[devout onyx]

yeah dont want that]

[ionic jasper]

I think they play on 2 different files for other reasons too

[carmine yarrow]

that is because in the any% we save before in Ordon day 2 and voiding and starting that file causes the King Bulblin fight to start quicker. We can't really do that here setting up a file so just dying in Back in Time is the savest method

[devout onyx]

ah okayt so the death method i see that on the page here

and then when youre in king bulbim fight you- what, just fight him?

[ionic jasper]

no

as soon as the camera changes after the reload

you hit reset

[devout onyx]

im so sorry im very stupid

w h a t

https://youtu.be/oYW2qHarFVI

this right

so where do you reset\

[carmine yarrow]

yea but that is BiTE they want to fight KB there

[devout onyx]

i feel like y'all are splicing three different tutorials trying to explain this to me as theres no specific just, directioonal list of exactly what we're trying to accomplish here, and feelsbadman im trying to understand y'all so hard but im just so fucking sutpid im sorry

[ionic jasper]

after you save the game

just do this basically

spicy is just talking about stuff we dont really care about for bingo

this is how you want to do it for bingo

[devout onyx]

okay so get ms and lantern, and then do this for ez boomerang

[ionic jasper]

yeah

[carmine yarrow]

yea this what nozzly is showing is what we care about

[devout onyx]

yeah this is what i needed lmao im sorry, im not brain enough to infer between teh lines

[ionic jasper]

as long as you get the bit itself and you hit reset as soon as the scene shows up

[devout onyx]

i havent taken my meds yet today haha WHOOPS

[ionic jasper]

you'll have bite

or EBF flag

if you fail this and void

then you can just die

and retry

[devout onyx]

yeah we wont get all the equipment but we'll get ebf which is what we want

[ionic jasper]

there might be hearts fast somewhere but eh

its not hard to retry

just loses some time

[devout onyx]

but still faster then doing 4 monkeys

[ionic jasper]

the hardest part is hitting the correct frame of the jump slash

[devout onyx]

im downloading ur video btw if thats cool, saving it for reference

[ionic jasper]

no problem

there's probably someone with a better played reference though

[devout onyx]

its titled nozzly bit bingo for safe keeping

[carmine yarrow]

Nah this is good

[ionic jasper]

some how that dumb ass spider hit me out of my midna dash

[devout onyx]

yeah but not for our specific purposes for my dumb unmedicated brain

[ionic jasper]

technically you dont need to transform to kill the spiders

but I think its faster to be wolf for it

[devout onyx]

like only thing id change is maybe have inputs showing but thats inconsiquential since i know for the reset its hold x on item screen, then hold start and b with a half second betweent he two

[ionic jasper]

basically hold X, wait for item to finish

then hit start, then hit B

for rando it pops up the menu

which is fine

B cancels the item wheel and initiates the reset on the same frame

which is mainly why you have to hit B last

[quasi trench]

I have never really had an issue for map glitch at all

[devout onyx]

[quasi trench]

I just rawdog it

[devout onyx]

fancy pants rich mcgee over here

[ionic jasper]

eh, map glitch you can just do the controller reset method

its 100% fail safe and not slower than just doing it

whatever works is what you should do though

ultimatly

[quasi trench]

Yeah I only play in switch pro controller atm

[ionic jasper]

I use to hit the dig button when I do map glitch

cuz you can tell if you hit the frame if link starts a dig

means you were late

for bingo map glitch is pointless to know

but in the future it might be useful

[devout onyx]

map glitch is on the list, but most likely wont be using for bingo

well

[quasi trench]

But idk never had issues pressing both at the same frame, very very rarely have I warped away 😢

[devout onyx]

Map glitch for vanilla plando bingo has one (1) use

quickly getting to the snowpeak howl stone

[ionic jasper]

hidden village yeah

or I guess hidden skills actually

but there's no void plain in the seed

so theres no reason to use it there

[quasi trench]

So... are there other excluded glitches for plando?

[ionic jasper]

its not "excluded"

[devout onyx]

nothing is excluded

its just not nessecary

[ionic jasper]

its just the settings make it pointless

cuz the void plane is removed by the settings for spm

so why map glitch

[quasi trench]

Ahhhh I see

[ionic jasper]

and there is no bulblin camp

so map glitch would be pointless there too

[devout onyx]

also am i spelling nessecary wrong discord doesnt say i am but i know ifuck it up constantly

necessary? also seems wrong?? sorry i hate this word

[quasi trench]

Lol yeah idk about all that anymore, used to be up to date but eh

[devout onyx]

have i mentioned i havent taken my meds yet

[ionic jasper]

the biggest use left for it would be like getting to hidden village

[devout onyx]

ima do that

[ionic jasper]

with epona oob

so you can get the book for dom rod 2

[quasi trench]

I literally cant spell Nescessairy?

[ionic jasper]

without doing all of tot

[quasi trench]

I always mess this 1 word up

Cc? Ss? Arry airy idk

[devout onyx]

one (C)ollar, two (S)leeves is how i know

[ionic jasper]

im still suspicious if you actually need to do tot to get the book

[devout onyx]

but i always get the order fucked up

[ionic jasper]

@carmine yarrow is it not just GM you need to complete for hidden village in rando

[quasi trench]

Necessairy?

Arry?

[ionic jasper]

necessary

[devout onyx]

nessecary? necessary?

okay so its c then s

[carmine yarrow]

you need ToT

[ionic jasper]

who coded this game

you have to beat both tot and GM then

[quasi trench]

Whenever I type Nessecary it looks wrong

[carmine yarrow]

completing ToT gets you the ToT story flag which unlocks the quest

[quasi trench]

But yours spelled the exact same way looks good lol

[ionic jasper]

the spelling of necessary is gonna give me a aneurism

delete the english language now

[quasi trench]

The whole shad bs is locked after ToT right

[ionic jasper]

yeah looks that way

unless you do map glitch and epona oob

[devout onyx]

nozz just start us with the book i cant take this

[quasi trench]

I remember the game just having a bunch of clear x dungeon, get new quests to get to next dungeon

Clear x dungeon

[ionic jasper]

if you start with the book then dom rod 1 is too free

[carmine yarrow]

to get the skybook you need the dom rod from vanillizer

[quasi trench]

Its like Mdh behind Lbt

[devout onyx]

you still gotta go into tot for it tho

[ionic jasper]

no

cuz its progressive

so you'd just go get 1 from shad

[devout onyx]

wait shad gives you the rod? since fucking w h e n

you get it from the darknut in TOT

[ionic jasper]

theres 2 dominion rods?

[quasi trench]

Ah ofcourse the last book normally gives you the '2nd' rod

[ionic jasper]

peaches?

[devout onyx]

Impaz gives the other one?

[ionic jasper]

no

[devout onyx]

w h a t

[quasi trench]

You get it in tot

[ionic jasper]

impaz gives you the ancient sky book

[quasi trench]

The dungeon item

[devout onyx]

H U H

[ionic jasper]

which then lets shad restore the dominion rod

[quasi trench]

Then turning all skybooks in for shad

[devout onyx]

I thought that shad gives the book

[quasi trench]

Yea

He does

The 1st

[devout onyx]

I havent played in a LONG ASS TIME THEN

[ionic jasper]

shad doesn't give you the first book

[quasi trench]

Then he is like ??? Bruh tf

And you gotta collect 6 more xd

[ionic jasper]

impaz gives you the book

[quasi trench]

Oh yes also true

Oops

[ionic jasper]

he just reads the book, it does nothing, and then it restores the dominion rod

[carmine yarrow]

Also guys I just remember

[quasi trench]

The ??? Bruh part is true rho xdd

[carmine yarrow]

I think the Epona OoB to Hidden Village only works for cat minigame, poe and hidden skills

[ionic jasper]

oh

[devout onyx]

okay so WHY is goron mines needed then for book?

[ionic jasper]

well

gg

I dont think you need to do mines, but I remember someone beating tot and not having gm done

so fyrus was never there

[devout onyx]

Oh right yeah that would make sense

[carmine yarrow]

Lunar changed the state a few days ago to take into account for random spawn. So there is no archery thing and impaz until ToT

[quasi trench]

Didnt the Howling stone there not work before finishing the wild west thing?

[carmine yarrow]

it is finished for this new state

[devout onyx]

yeah you gotta do cat hide and seek before howlking stone works

oh lunar fixed it gotcha

[carmine yarrow]

it will only now start after ToT

[ionic jasper]

well maybe we'll have to vote on if we want the book to be on start or not

[quasi trench]

Ahh cool

[ionic jasper]

cuz having to do all of tot for both rods might suck

if we start with a book though

[devout onyx]

i vote yes bcuz you gotta do arbiters to do tot anyways for spinner

[ionic jasper]

I'd remove dominion rod 1 from the get item goals

and just make it the "get dominion rod from tot"

[devout onyx]

also im pretty sure there isnt many dom rod related goals

[ionic jasper]

which still makes you get it from tot

[devout onyx]

like i dont think theres complete skybook or get ddr

[ionic jasper]

but atleast you dont need 2

[devout onyx]

save those for real rando

[ionic jasper]

complete skybook doesn't exist cuz its not possible

[quasi trench]

have the ToT Domrod be both?

[ionic jasper]

also there's dominion rod 1 and 2 in the goals

[devout onyx]

its progressive, cant

[ionic jasper]

dominion rod 1 is red and dominion rod 2 is regular

[devout onyx]

saying "get powered dominion rod" instead of get dance dance revolution is unreal

[ionic jasper]

Im gonna just make it "get Dominion Rod (ToT)"

I think

[devout onyx]

inb4 ? dance dance revolution > DDR, Double dominion rod

[quasi trench]

Power up the Dominion rod?

For in a bingo like this having 2 Drods just seems kinda odd

[ionic jasper]

I dont think so

[quasi trench]

There is more, then when there is 1 obv

[ionic jasper]

cuz I can still make "get X owl chests"

just haven't done that yet

[quasi trench]

I suppose so yea

[ionic jasper]

the idea is that its a vanilla plando

so I try to keep stuff vanilla

[quasi trench]

Yeah I figured that by now 😛

[ionic jasper]

just so happens that hidden village sucks ass

[quasi trench]

At first i didnt understand plando meant just basegame without basegame restrictions

[ionic jasper]

and since multiplayer is done now

[devout onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/please-dont-the-office-gif-18301822

[quasi trench]

True ig

[ionic jasper]

I can actually focus on other stuff

[quasi trench]

Perhaps there is no solving and HV just sucks

[ionic jasper]

who wants to do a lockout

[quasi trench]

Me

But i am omw back from work

[carmine yarrow]

Count me in

[ionic jasper]

need to test this mode

lmao

[devout onyx]

my brain is very stuck between edit video, practice ft bit, and play more bingo

[quasi trench]

So i cant immediately

[ionic jasper]

I know it works but live testing is helpful

[quasi trench]

Ft tot confused me sm peach xD

[ionic jasper]

are you able to do one now or na

[devout onyx]

meds take aprox 40 minutes to kick in, but also i am just not a smart man ( not a man)

[devout onyx]

i can now

[ionic jasper]

id be able to wait to later but work is work

[devout onyx]

i wont stream it tho bcuz its too early for a stream

[carmine yarrow]

I can now

[ionic jasper]

I wonder if its possible to do a 3 way lock out

I dont know how my system would even handle that

[carmine yarrow]

it is a bit more difficult to calculate

[devout onyx]

juice is probably more on your level if need be to only do a 1v1

[ionic jasper]

I mean if 3 of us wanna play

I have another thing that needs testing

[devout onyx]

rush?

[devout onyx]

oooh

[ionic jasper]

I made this last night too

[devout onyx]

OOOOHHHHH

[ionic jasper]

for bingo and tears of light

[devout onyx]

I LIKE THAT

[carmine yarrow]

that is sick yea

[ionic jasper]

cooperative makes it so that when multiple people form a line with colors

it counts as a line

[devout onyx]

so we dont both need to click it?

[ionic jasper]

competitive makes it so that only that players goals make a line

[quasi trench]

Damn thats really cool

[ionic jasper]

basiclly yeah

[quasi trench]

I wonder about the 3 way lockout

[ionic jasper]

so we can do a 3 person bingo or something

to make sure that works

[quasi trench]

What about lockout in a 3v3 setting?

[devout onyx]

you mean 1v1v1

[quasi trench]

No

3v3

Teams

[ionic jasper]

3 people vs 3 people I assume

[devout onyx]

well that would just be 1v1, technically, maybe if all the players pick the same color?

[quasi trench]

Ah yeah you pick a color

[devout onyx]

maybe there is a purpose to some predetermined color selections

[quasi trench]

Okay that makes sense yea

[devout onyx]

so we arent trying to share hex codes lmao

[carmine yarrow]

yea that is still the same. The team first to 13 goals wins, assuming you have 5x5 board

[ionic jasper]

there isn't a teams mode btw

So it wouldn't work out well atm

[quasi trench]

I imagine it shouldnt be too hard right? Not a coder or anything

[ionic jasper]

PMHAABM1.5IDQLOO2 @devout onyx @carmine yarrow put this in the room name

gonna do a 3 line regular bingo competitive

[devout onyx]

wanna jump in a call?

or nah

[ionic jasper]

im already in race voice

[quasi trench]

This actually is so solid

Really great job putting in the time and effort for this

[devout onyx]

noz has only been working on it for like, a week, and its alreayd so well done im so pumped

reignited my tp passion bcuz i was hella burned out for several months

and having the vanilla plando is super nice bcuz its still hard to say what rando settings are best for bingo

still gotta figure that out

[ionic jasper]

FTM0CRHU.BR4V9X23

[devout onyx]

okay finally back home, time to keep practicing BIT

[quasi trench]

Fell asleep but am awake

Gonna start up Tp for the firzt time in like 3 months or something

[quasi trench]

So how would I go about playing the bingo?

[ionic jasper]

Set up the seed, pick a game mode with whatever conditions

Then hit the button at the bottom

Then you'll go about completing the objectives as seen on the board

[quasi trench]

Where?

I missed quite a bunch of information here & there

[devout onyx]

check pins

if you want the vanilla seed its posted there, but otherwise the website is in the pins

[devout onyx]

had a random disconnect just now, was doing a rush and i just lost all my progress L')

[ionic jasper]

Sorry for that

Server thing seems to just disconnect sometimes

Still at work so won't be able to take a look till later

[devout onyx]

all good

real quick before i waste stupid time bcuz yall got me confused

the first dom rod IS in tot roght

bcuz then skybook from impaz, then ddr from shad after all letters are found right

[ionic jasper]

Yes

It gonna change soon

Once I get home I'm gonna have start with book and shad will be free

[devout onyx]

i just need to know dom rod is in tot thats my current rush goal

[ionic jasper]

And the goal will change to "get tot dominion rod"

[devout onyx]

i just gotta look for the lja for tot bcuz im not getting spinner i have like 20 minutes left

[ionic jasper]

Good luck

It's not too hard

[devout onyx]

i cant get on the railing im gonna cry

[ionic jasper]

Well, i can look into it when I'm home

[devout onyx]

i am doing EXACTLY as the video is and it just wont??? LJA????

screaming crying throwing up

[ionic jasper]

Based on what I saw you're timing it poorly

It has to be over a higher object

[devout onyx]

idk how else to time it

[ionic jasper]

So you'd need to wait until it's closer to the railing

[devout onyx]

https://youtu.be/L3jeYVsRfpM
im trying to copy this exactly

[ionic jasper]

Oh, based on your stream you're not close enough to the higher section

The boomerang needs to actually go over the top part, I didn't see yours do that on the stream

I can make a tutorial when I get home

But you need to be half way down the stairs in the middle

[devout onyx]

i know juice was struggling with it earlier and now i see why

[ionic jasper]

It's not super easy

Mainly cuz this videos not really a tutorial

[devout onyx]

🙃

thatgs the only thing for it on zsr

[ionic jasper]

I don't think it's hard, but I don't do it the way they do it lol

[devout onyx]

welp. My 2 hour score is 10

which is some BS i had TERRIBLE goals

A73UIK68
theres the seed for it

[ionic jasper]

I don't think 10 is bad

[devout onyx]

for 2 hours?

[ionic jasper]

Assuming your fastest goals all sucked, it's not bad

[devout onyx]

Completion History
Peaches:

Get Reekfish Scent
Peaches:

Defeat King Bulblin (HC)
Peaches:

Play Fetch w/ Dog
Peaches:

Drink Milk
Peaches:

Get All Forest Temple Small Keys
Peaches:

Get 2 Silver Rupees
Peaches:

Turn 1 water supply on (LBT)
Peaches:

Get Kicked out by Hena
Peaches:

Get Iron Boots
Peaches:

Kill a Dodongo

[ionic jasper]

So

I do plan to make a rush seed

[devout onyx]

then i was trying to go for dom rod and well, you saw how that went lmao

[ionic jasper]

Idea is I'm gonna pre give claw shot

And stick a silver on deku toad instead

So 2 silver chests won't require hc

[devout onyx]

or put the silver on the first chest in HC, behind that first darknut, bcuz getting that second chest required only 1 clawshot, but had to fight the two darknuts for it which was impossible with just ms and no skills

i had to leave for a shield and helm splitter

[ionic jasper]

Impossible?

Just annoying more than anything

There's ways to do it

[devout onyx]

I was physically incapable of killing those second darknuts the mace type

could not get a hit in

didnt have bomb arrows either

[ionic jasper]

You can aggro 1 of them at a time

[devout onyx]

yeah i was doing that, but i couldnt get around him to get a hit, it was just really hard and im dumb and bad at video games

[ionic jasper]

Well, if you wanna hit a dark nut

[devout onyx]

i guess you also need a hc key, but i had already fought king bulbin (also very annoying with just sword) and had one

[ionic jasper]

Running slash his shield

Run behind him

And then hit him

You don't have to do rush btw

[devout onyx]

i dont gotta but its a nice time limit for if i only wanna play another hou rlmao

[ionic jasper]

Fair

You can make bingo an hour time limit too

That's more for people who wanna see how fast they can do boards

Though

[devout onyx]

going from 10 in 2 hours to 38 is WILD

SUCH a better rush order

and just better play on my part

[ionic jasper]

damn

[devout onyx]

if i had saved an extra minute instead of fussing around i couldve gotten 40 bcuz the next two goals were ones i already did - killa molderm and drink milk

[ionic jasper]

me on my way to nerf rush

[devout onyx]

then the next round after that was large quiver, 7 compasses, and die with magic armor so thats where i would've lost

so max i wouldve been able to do is 40

[ionic jasper]

the real intended time I think for competitive would be 1 hour

[devout onyx]

my first run was T E N

its the luck of the draw literally

also i got lucky with pre-emptivley picking up forest and city boss key

[ionic jasper]

idk, I think those are good things to grab

rush is a whole different play style

[devout onyx]

oh yeah for sure, i just had alot better of a run

[ionic jasper]

you wanna do the "rush" goals

[devout onyx]

yeah thats why i grabbed those keys lmao

[ionic jasper]

I think if you go to spr

you wanna grab pumpkin cheese and 3 poes

when you do rush

cuz you can get all of them out of order fast

ima stream one

ggs

[devout onyx]

ill watch for sure

[ionic jasper]

Probably wont do more than 1

cuz I need to fix my sleep schedule

been fucked for a bit coding

[devout onyx]

i feel that on a cellular level

i played like 10 hours pf tp today

[devout onyx]

@carmine yarrow how did you end up doing that tot lja

[half escarp]

This is the harder way of doing it, you can do it on the upper railing it’s easier

[devout onyx]

please demonstate, we spend like a solid half an hour trying to workshop this lmao

[half escarp]

Ah

Give me a sec

[devout onyx]

we could not get it to work easily lmao

[ionic jasper]

only 1 video exists

So as far as I was aware that was the only way TO do it lo

[devout onyx]

and the video on ZSR is so incredibly unhelpful

[half escarp]

https://youtu.be/DjrybZ4R3Dw?si=40OfTnAFDe6-d1XW?&t=1h02m55s

[half escarp]

Very often it’s outdated yeah

[devout onyx]

oh worm????

[devout onyx]

any chance i can convince you to make a solo video of you doing that not super speed haha

[half escarp]

Pretty sure I learned this method from poke, can’t remember

Well it’s 7am i’m omw to work so I wont be able to before tonight

[devout onyx]

oh yeah no rush

me and noz were just yelling at a banister for like half an hour straight with colission viewer and everything lmao

[ionic jasper]

oh yeah thats like way easier

why isn't that on zsr

last time I said something about zsr people like got defensive against me about it

cuz I said its hard to navigate

not to mention when you do navigate it, almost all the strats are like 8+ years old in 480p

and chunks of them aren't tutorials

just them doing the trick

[half escarp]

Can be a pain yeah I agree, people probably got defensive because TP ZSR is already super good compared to other resources

Ofc yeah can be way better

But oh well, when I asked to help with zsr I got rejected

Same for leaderboards

[ionic jasper]

[devout onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/marge-simpson-sad-sit-at-times-like-this-i-guess-all-you-can-do-is-laugh-gif-16566073

[carmine yarrow]

Yea what Jeez showed was the way I did it. In our race I fucked it up the whole time because I aimed where you would normally do the second lja

[carmine yarrow]

Do you remember why this doesn't generate on glitchless?

[devout onyx]

If I were to Hazzard a guess it's probably something w Hyrule Castle as that's usually the culprit when making seeds and I mess up a setting

Also I need to write down where all the orange rupees are in the current vanilla seed for when we generate the next one with the bug fixes they don't all get moved around again lmao I've made a map of them at this point

[half escarp]

O btw @ionic jasper the chest in elde inn is a red rupee, for a blue for some reason in the seed

[ionic jasper]

Those aren't plandoed

Regular junk is just randomized atm

[half escarp]

weird

Ah okay

[ionic jasper]

Cuz that's like

1000 checks

[ionic jasper]

Rando doesn't generate with vanilla key placement

[devout onyx]

well the orange rupee placement is more my concern LMAO

[half escarp]

Prob considered junk so its random?

[devout onyx]

yeah, but ive run this seed so many times now i know where a good portion of the orange rupees are, and i would like them to be consistent, as you can plando orange rupees specifically.

if not ill make do obviously but i would need to relearn all the locations

[half escarp]

Then ig they are not junk

Do you need help locating every orange in vanilla tp?

[devout onyx]

I mean you can plando any kind of rupee, i can plando all 400 checks to be a greg but that isnt gonna help any

theres just specific orange rupees ive put into my routing when running bingo, the one in goron mines, lakebed, toadpoli grotto, first llc chest, etc.

Im skimming the log now for all orange rupee locations and noting the ones that are "on the way" that are good to know the location of

bcuz trying to hand in bugs or casino for a 5 orange rupee bingo card is... tedious

OR when youve done all teh bugs you can do without rang/slawshot and youre still 300 rupees short for magic armor LMAO

[ionic jasper]

Most the oranges should be plandoed

[devout onyx]

yeah im grabbing them all from the log rn for you, so you dont have to

[ionic jasper]

Jeez probably knows their locations

Lul

[devout onyx]

oh, no i was asking for them to remain where they are bcuz im lazy and i dont want to relearn the lcoations

[half escarp]

Not all of them lmao, vanilla locations that is (I have them in a stupid 300% route)