#Separate, Exclusive, Warzone or Pain Cage Rank Categories for F2P and "Spenders"

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spice thicket
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Can we make a separate Warzone or Phantom Pain Cage rank that's only achievable by whales with a certain Recharge RC requirement?

Separate to the F2P player rankings who don't meet that Recharge RC requirement on their accounts.

A rank that's also equivalent to Hero in Warzone (or top 1%< to 5% in PPC), but is exclusive and more beneficial for whales to compete with each other (and each other alone).

Getting bored of being one of the most skilled F2P player in my region, spending years investing in my characters since day 1 of Global servers release. Still being forced to compete with and getting higher scores than whole whales who own every Character in the game.

Only to be beaten by even bigger Leviathan/Poseidon whales. 🤦💀

vague dew
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What is a "whole whale" by the way?

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And based on the assumption that you're the "most skilled F2P player", surely if you're beating these whole whales getting hero retain and 1-5% ex isn't really a struggle for day 1 F2Ps.

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After all, if you know Frustal, an EU player who's also f2p retained hero warzone using nightblade dps but clearly you are better than him so hero retain must be nothing, right?

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In addition to this, you're whole suggestion is about separating people by RC spent. What about players that only bought skins? Do you plan to throw them into a bracket of whales even though most of what they've bought is skins? Surely their whispthorn Luna and beach skins will help their ranks.

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And while we're on the topic, @rancid canyon is an f2p - he's region blocked from topping up iirc. And I know for a fact you'll never beat him on the ppc lbs even though he's been playing a shorter time than you

hexed pecan
spice thicket
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anyways, i knew i was gonna get bs for this anyway. But worth a try, balancing the competitive nature of ranks for everyone.
Ofc this wouldn't benefit the ego of whale players (or "whole whales", same thing) so those who disagree with me. Good job baiting yourself out lol

vague dew
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buddy I gatekeep adv ppc to fuel my ego, some random guy with skill issue isn't gonna hurt it xD

spice thicket
vague dew
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if you're argument is your bored, how would separating players reduce it anyways WorryCommandant

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gameplay is all solo anyways

spice thicket
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whatever floats your boat

vague dew
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wait, but how does changing the players in your bracket make it more intersting

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please do let me know

spice thicket
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some people run on negativity and cynism, others on positivity and optimism. thats just life

vague dew
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?? are you gonna answer my question?

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im just curious about the logic behind it, you said it's cause you're bored

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I get bored too, so I wanna know how this'll make it more fun for me

spice thicket
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Yikes, I just noticed you're a moderator. And since mod-abuse exists in the world, I must apologise for sharing a game suggestion like anyone else. Don't need to exacerbate this fam, I'm sorry 🤣

spice thicket
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(So those who buy skins only are excluded from the algorithm that ranks players together).

vague dew
vague dew
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so the poor unlucky guy is getting put down Luciasad

spice thicket
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luck isnt a factor since its universal

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when you pay for BC, you are making a decision at your own risk

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While an F2P player, does not make that decision, yet experiences the same bad or good luck that a whale would

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That is the nature of gacha

vague dew
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but going back to the idea of boredom, differentiating rewards isn't really a matter of bordeom

spice thicket
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Ultimately if this suggestion was implemented, (probably never, since its just a Quality of Life element and Kuro Games does not financially profit off it at all)

vague dew
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that's just related to how much they spent and skill, doesn't change the actual gameplay

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since it doesn't matter how well some whale performs, you're still playing the same gamemode

spice thicket
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Which is the logical effect of gacha luck

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But those lucky F2P players and unlucky whale players would be separated

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So it would be no issue to skill-level or personal investment, simply account luck

vague dew
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I mean, if the issue is regarding rewards, then in a gacha game, those with the highest combination of luck, skill, and money invested are just inevitably going to get more rewards

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it would also make the bracket sizes smaller for each group

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i.e. the 1%, the 1-5% and so on ranges would be smaller

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because of a smaller pool

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anyways, there's a similar mechanic with advanced ppc and the upcoming Legend warzone

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the higher spenders will be filtered out to legend

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and already in ppc, adv %1 ppc is pretty easy for an f2p and covers hitting SS for debut S ranks

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otherwise achievements in ex ppc make up for lower ranking

spice thicket
vague dew
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I mean, I do understand the idea, and it sounds fun but the point of a gacha is to reward those who spend, so the company will make more money lol

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so those who spend more will be able to beat those who don't

spice thicket
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The bracket sizes being smaller would have no effect on the whole ranking rewards system, as more players join the game

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It would be arbitrary as time goes on, but the immediate effect would be everyone "in the F2P category" goes up a rank or "percentage"

vague dew
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and to be fair, in a good amount of cases* albeit not all, those who spend generally put money into the game are often pretty skilled as they put time into the game (which is why they are willing to spend)

vague dew
spice thicket
vague dew
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huh

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what

spice thicket
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i mean at least i look at it that way

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since every gacha banner can be attainable as F2P

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at least up until the recent Liv Empyrea patch

vague dew
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the lion's share of profit comes from rank ups and weapons lol

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that's where monthly passes go to, and weapon resonance packs

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the cost of SSS is also a lot higher

spice thicket
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yes and yet

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the money spent to get a character to SS, does not equate to the time it took to master that character which can be gained by grinding their SS rankup shards in PPC

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so to the point you made earlier about those payiing money are generally more skilled

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That is not a universal fact, but it is true for some

vague dew
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the majority of spenders use their money on weapons resos, and then rank ups WorryCommandant

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most people with skins have weapons + resos for the character already

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which are more expensive than the skin

spice thicket
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thats good to know then, i dont keep track of whale expenditure

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since i have attained all they have in warzone and PPC, as simply f2p

vague dew
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"all OGs understand"

spice thicket
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lol mb

vague dew
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alright, fair enough

spice thicket
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but its my assumption that skins get the most investment from Kuro

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since they have designed gacha banners to be extremely f2p-friendly

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otherwise they wouldnt be 100% rateup

vague dew
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i mean, character design WorryCommandant

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the future characters and their skills sets

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are out of the park

spice thicket
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Plus this is further confirmed by their "$100+ skin gacha" recently

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as they further incentivize purchasing skins

vague dew
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yes, but people who can invest that much on skins likely already have spent much more on general account invest by that point

spice thicket
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If you can be as good as a mid-high spender whale in this game, but over a longer period of years, as an F2P

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Then it becomes a matter of how much the game means to you

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And competitive nature can be rewarding then

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But who wants to wait 2+ years to say "oh warzone is finally fun"

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Thats why I made this post

vague dew
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I mean, if you enjoy the game that much, might as well spend Kareninafunny

spice thicket
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I enjoy it enough to buy every skin that releases

vague dew
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skins > invest, yeah

spice thicket
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I want to get good at the game as an individual, based off reaction time and intensity

vague dew
spice thicket
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Rather than relying on wallet

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Experienced this several times where I felt bad for scoring higher than players with SSS+ construct teams in Leader.

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Separating the rankings into "F2P" and "Spender" categories

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Would fix the issue of whales not being able to compete with someone at their own level

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So "whales" would get more skilled competing against other "whales"
And F2P players would also do so, when they enjoy improving themselves against people on their level too.

vague dew
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i mean, at least in NA, whales are pretty slacc

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which is fine

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makes it easy to score higher so i don't really see a point in making them get good lol

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there've been vips in adv lmao

spice thicket
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I just don't like my #1 favourite game and most well-developed game on the planet being dropped by my friends because they don't see the competitive nature being rewarding at all (even if the story was engaging).

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It takes a lot of mental detriment and patience to be like me and say "I love the game enough to wait 1.5 years to reach the top of Hero"

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I always tell everyone this game is designed for the "working class and busy individuals"

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No one got 1.5+ years to freely spend on a game.

spice thicket
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No one gets good by staying the same

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There's always higher heights to be reached

vague dew
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i mean, not everyone wants to get good lol

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some people wanna just tap their zones and relax lol

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that's why it's really easy to clear dailies and sleep

spice thicket
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Same here, on a busy day

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exactly

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20mins max, daily time investment, 2-3hrs max weekly time investment

vague dew
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a lot of whales just want to one tap a zone and chill retain, would only discourage em to make em work more

spice thicket
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thats why they get their own category

vague dew
vague dew
spice thicket
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why discourage f2p players from playing competitive modes, by being placed with them lol

vague dew
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it's not about discouraging f2ps lol, it's about encouraging whales, the priority community members

spice thicket
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thats the only way how i got to hero in 1.5 years, strictly f2p

vague dew
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I mean, it took like 2-3 months to hit hero for me lmao

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pre Nier times were nice lmao

spice thicket
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very

vague dew
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with 0 recharge so I don't see the point of mentioning strictly f2p xD

spice thicket
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yh the edit was late

vague dew
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I didn't spend until like tempest patch

spice thicket
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pre nier was nice cause alpha and rosetta were viable at lower investment

vague dew
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so hitting hero isn't really a big deal for an f2p who learns how to play

vague dew
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I just used Luna all5 zones WorryCommandant

spice thicket
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her passive is stupid broken, i guess that works lol

vague dew
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hero's only become easier since then lol

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so f2ps really shouldn't have an issue hitting it within a few months

spice thicket
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Separate, Exclusive, Warzone or Pain Cage Rank Categories for F2P and "Spenders"

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cant lie, the first title was stupid af

spice thicket
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only reason it took me 1.5 years was because back then, there was not nearly as much content as there is now to grind black cards

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maybe when u started there was a lot more, or when a f2p player starts today, yes they would hit Hero much sooner than me (with enough time investment)

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But you know for sure, with less content pre-chapter 13, there's nothing to grind lol.

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and doesnt help that i took several month long breaks from the game too cause irl busy

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anyways thats that

vague dew
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?

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i don't see how that's relevant lmao

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I started qu patch xD

spice thicket
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it makes sense, i dont need to explain it

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its not relevant to the title of this suggestion either, its just a side note

spice thicket
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despite never spending on gacha and using default S ranks and grinding them up to SS with ppc

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ty lol

spice thicket
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i guess people dont like improving anymore in a game they love

wind knoll
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its not improving,ur idea is just a cope thing that will never happen,making a f2p leardebord goes 100% against of wat every gacha company wants,u to spend money

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and either way f2ps still get high ranks,ur just bad at the game

rancid canyon
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That wont help bro u just gotta suffer and mald to beat bad whales and grieve when facing good whales

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Also im kinda not f2p i have spent 330 rc

amber spear
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obiz whel

vague dew
spice thicket
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oh well, at least i know im top 70 in Hero for my server, im chilling

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its not even that deep of a post title, its called game suggestions for a reason.
not "you MUST MAKE THIS HAPPEN" type of stuff you probably used to on twitter

wind knoll
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when u learn what a good f2p player is u can come back

spice thicket
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i guess you only know how to make a rebuttal by putting words in others' mouths lmao

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no need to discuss further with someone who refuses to listen, but rather vent their ego

wind knoll
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i am vesting my ego?

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ur the one who said ur one of the best f2p in ur region?

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are u good?

wind knoll
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u have a dumbass ego and no one knows u,rank 70 is shit,in a dead game,i have no ego,ur the one calling urself one of the best f2p in the start of the thread

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stop talking like u didnt said that

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yes i am putting things in ur mouth

wind knoll
spice thicket
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its not even that deep for me bruh, why isnt this thread inactive already LOL, ya'll stressing this more than i ever will

wind knoll
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jsut to get shit on,cuz u know u have no idae what ur talking about

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u didnt even talk about my points,all u did is "why is this active 🤓 "

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when ur the one who made it active again

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talk nonsense then people asnwer ur nonsense with facts and u dont understand why,actualy insanity

vestal meadow
spice thicket
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