Separate, Exclusive, Warzone or Pain Cage Rank Categories for F2P and "Spenders"

[spice thicket]

Can we make a separate Warzone or Phantom Pain Cage rank that's only achievable by whales with a certain Recharge RC requirement?

Separate to the F2P player rankings who don't meet that Recharge RC requirement on their accounts.

A rank that's also equivalent to Hero in Warzone (or top 1%< to 5% in PPC), but is exclusive and more beneficial for whales to compete with each other (and each other alone).

Getting bored of being one of the most skilled F2P player in my region, spending years investing in my characters since day 1 of Global servers release. Still being forced to compete with and getting higher scores than whole whales who own every Character in the game.

Only to be beaten by even bigger Leviathan/Poseidon whales. 🤦💀

[vague dew]

What is a "whole whale" by the way?

And based on the assumption that you're the "most skilled F2P player", surely if you're beating these whole whales getting hero retain and 1-5% ex isn't really a struggle for day 1 F2Ps.

After all, if you know Frustal, an EU player who's also f2p retained hero warzone using nightblade dps but clearly you are better than him so hero retain must be nothing, right?

In addition to this, you're whole suggestion is about separating people by RC spent. What about players that only bought skins? Do you plan to throw them into a bracket of whales even though most of what they've bought is skins? Surely their whispthorn Luna and beach skins will help their ranks.

And while we're on the topic, @rancid canyon is an f2p - he's region blocked from topping up iirc. And I know for a fact you'll never beat him on the ppc lbs even though he's been playing a shorter time than you

[hexed pecan]

Glom's recharge amount is higher than 0, so he 🐳 , no f2p

[spice thicket]

it isnt, but did i say it was? i said specifically bored
its not up to me how u fill in the blanks instead of reading word for word, or have selective hearing, but appreciate the response anyways lol

anyways, i knew i was gonna get bs for this anyway. But worth a try, balancing the competitive nature of ranks for everyone.
Ofc this wouldn't benefit the ego of whale players (or "whole whales", same thing) so those who disagree with me. Good job baiting yourself out lol

[vague dew]

buddy I gatekeep adv ppc to fuel my ego, some random guy with skill issue isn't gonna hurt it xD

[spice thicket]

i dont mind if he's better than me at PPC, that wasnt the purpose of this post anyway, but whatever suits you bro. I've been on discord long enough to understand people misconstrue things when they can't come up with a valid argument.

[vague dew]

if you're argument is your bored, how would separating players reduce it anyways

gameplay is all solo anyways

[spice thicket]

whatever floats your boat

[vague dew]

wait, but how does changing the players in your bracket make it more intersting

please do let me know

[spice thicket]

some people run on negativity and cynism, others on positivity and optimism. thats just life

[vague dew]

?? are you gonna answer my question?

im just curious about the logic behind it, you said it's cause you're bored

I get bored too, so I wanna know how this'll make it more fun for me

[spice thicket]

Yikes, I just noticed you're a moderator. And since mod-abuse exists in the world, I must apologise for sharing a game suggestion like anyone else. Don't need to exacerbate this fam, I'm sorry 🤣

[spice thicket]

Means that Warzone and PPC ranking results are more rewarding to players, since they are only placed in rankings with players on a similar "account tier" as them. The "account tier" being coded by how much BC has been bought and applied to gacha on their account.

(So those who buy skins only are excluded from the algorithm that ranks players together).

[vague dew]

i mean, I'm just asking as a player here lol, this is a forum meant for discussion so you can say whatever you want

[vague dew]

there isn't really a way to match that fairly now, is there? cause people convert RC at different rates depending on what they buy, and then luck is a factor, some guy could spend $100 and get 2 copies, the other guy could nly get 1

so the poor unlucky guy is getting put down

[spice thicket]

luck isnt a factor since its universal

when you pay for BC, you are making a decision at your own risk

While an F2P player, does not make that decision, yet experiences the same bad or good luck that a whale would

That is the nature of gacha

[vague dew]

k fair

but going back to the idea of boredom, differentiating rewards isn't really a matter of bordeom

[spice thicket]

Ultimately if this suggestion was implemented, (probably never, since its just a Quality of Life element and Kuro Games does not financially profit off it at all)

[vague dew]

that's just related to how much they spent and skill, doesn't change the actual gameplay

since it doesn't matter how well some whale performs, you're still playing the same gamemode

[spice thicket]

Then there would be high ranked F2P players (in their own separate Leader/Hero rank) who got lucky and who would be scoring more than lower ranked whale players (in their own separate whale-oriented rankings).

Which is the logical effect of gacha luck

But those lucky F2P players and unlucky whale players would be separated

So it would be no issue to skill-level or personal investment, simply account luck

[vague dew]

I mean, if the issue is regarding rewards, then in a gacha game, those with the highest combination of luck, skill, and money invested are just inevitably going to get more rewards

it would also make the bracket sizes smaller for each group

i.e. the 1%, the 1-5% and so on ranges would be smaller

because of a smaller pool

anyways, there's a similar mechanic with advanced ppc and the upcoming Legend warzone

the higher spenders will be filtered out to legend

and already in ppc, adv %1 ppc is pretty easy for an f2p and covers hitting SS for debut S ranks

otherwise achievements in ex ppc make up for lower ranking

[spice thicket]

That's the point, this game suggestion is only a QoL buff to the rankings system.
It removes the "money invested" factor from this sentence. And the game solely becomes a matter of luck and skill.
Fairplay for a community-driven gacha game, dont you say?

[vague dew]

I mean, I do understand the idea, and it sounds fun but the point of a gacha is to reward those who spend, so the company will make more money lol

so those who spend more will be able to beat those who don't

[spice thicket]

The bracket sizes being smaller would have no effect on the whole ranking rewards system, as more players join the game

It would be arbitrary as time goes on, but the immediate effect would be everyone "in the F2P category" goes up a rank or "percentage"

[vague dew]

and to be fair, in a good amount of cases* albeit not all, those who spend generally put money into the game are often pretty skilled as they put time into the game (which is why they are willing to spend)

[spice thicket]

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kuro game doesnt profit off this, correct

[vague dew]

okay, true he's obeez af

[vague dew]

yeah, it also deincentivizes spending to a degree though

[spice thicket]

agreed, however all OGs understand that kuro's large profit margins come mostly from skins

[vague dew]

huh

what

[spice thicket]

i mean at least i look at it that way

since every gacha banner can be attainable as F2P

at least up until the recent Liv Empyrea patch

[vague dew]

the lion's share of profit comes from rank ups and weapons lol

that's where monthly passes go to, and weapon resonance packs

the cost of SSS is also a lot higher

[spice thicket]

yes and yet

the money spent to get a character to SS, does not equate to the time it took to master that character which can be gained by grinding their SS rankup shards in PPC

so to the point you made earlier about those payiing money are generally more skilled

That is not a universal fact, but it is true for some

[vague dew]

the majority of spenders use their money on weapons resos, and then rank ups

most people with skins have weapons + resos for the character already

which are more expensive than the skin

[spice thicket]

thats good to know then, i dont keep track of whale expenditure

since i have attained all they have in warzone and PPC, as simply f2p

[vague dew]

wait, so why talk about it like you do know about it

"all OGs understand"

[spice thicket]

yeah bad phrasing from me

lol mb

[vague dew]

alright, fair enough

[spice thicket]

but its my assumption that skins get the most investment from Kuro

since they have designed gacha banners to be extremely f2p-friendly

otherwise they wouldnt be 100% rateup

[vague dew]

i mean, character design

the future characters and their skills sets

are out of the park

[spice thicket]

Plus this is further confirmed by their "$100+ skin gacha" recently

as they further incentivize purchasing skins

[vague dew]

yes, but people who can invest that much on skins likely already have spent much more on general account invest by that point

[spice thicket]

If you can be as good as a mid-high spender whale in this game, but over a longer period of years, as an F2P

Then it becomes a matter of how much the game means to you

And competitive nature can be rewarding then

But who wants to wait 2+ years to say "oh warzone is finally fun"

Thats why I made this post

[vague dew]

I mean, if you enjoy the game that much, might as well spend

[spice thicket]

I enjoy it enough to buy every skin that releases

[vague dew]

skins > invest, yeah

[spice thicket]

I want to get good at the game as an individual, based off reaction time and intensity

[vague dew]

[spice thicket]

Rather than relying on wallet

Experienced this several times where I felt bad for scoring higher than players with SSS+ construct teams in Leader.

Separating the rankings into "F2P" and "Spender" categories

Would fix the issue of whales not being able to compete with someone at their own level

So "whales" would get more skilled competing against other "whales"
And F2P players would also do so, when they enjoy improving themselves against people on their level too.

[vague dew]

i mean, at least in NA, whales are pretty slacc

which is fine

makes it easy to score higher so i don't really see a point in making them get good lol

there've been vips in adv lmao

[spice thicket]

I just don't like my #1 favourite game and most well-developed game on the planet being dropped by my friends because they don't see the competitive nature being rewarding at all (even if the story was engaging).

It takes a lot of mental detriment and patience to be like me and say "I love the game enough to wait 1.5 years to reach the top of Hero"

I always tell everyone this game is designed for the "working class and busy individuals"

No one got 1.5+ years to freely spend on a game.

[spice thicket]

Makes you get good too

No one gets good by staying the same

There's always higher heights to be reached

[vague dew]

i mean, not everyone wants to get good lol

some people wanna just tap their zones and relax lol

that's why it's really easy to clear dailies and sleep

[spice thicket]

Same here, on a busy day

exactly

20mins max, daily time investment, 2-3hrs max weekly time investment

[vague dew]

a lot of whales just want to one tap a zone and chill retain, would only discourage em to make em work more

[spice thicket]

thats why they get their own category

[vague dew]

I mean, I put a lot of time into malding, 20 mins on an avg day, but when I mald it can take a long ass time

[vague dew]

but then they'd be force to try against other whales

[spice thicket]

why discourage f2p players from playing competitive modes, by being placed with them lol

[vague dew]

it's not about discouraging f2ps lol, it's about encouraging whales, the priority community members

[spice thicket]

same, i mald over just +2000 pts, if it makes me a better player overall in warzone

thats the only way how i got to hero in 1.5 years, strictly f2p

[vague dew]

I mean, it took like 2-3 months to hit hero for me lmao

pre Nier times were nice lmao

[spice thicket]

very

[vague dew]

with 0 recharge so I don't see the point of mentioning strictly f2p xD

[spice thicket]

yh the edit was late

[vague dew]

I didn't spend until like tempest patch

[spice thicket]

pre nier was nice cause alpha and rosetta were viable at lower investment

[vague dew]

so hitting hero isn't really a big deal for an f2p who learns how to play

[vague dew]

I mean, I didn't even have rosetta

I just used Luna all5 zones

[spice thicket]

her passive is stupid broken, i guess that works lol

[vague dew]

hero's only become easier since then lol

so f2ps really shouldn't have an issue hitting it within a few months

[spice thicket]

Separate, Exclusive, Warzone or Pain Cage Rank Categories for F2P and "Spenders"

cant lie, the first title was stupid af

[spice thicket]

lol just to reiterate

only reason it took me 1.5 years was because back then, there was not nearly as much content as there is now to grind black cards

maybe when u started there was a lot more, or when a f2p player starts today, yes they would hit Hero much sooner than me (with enough time investment)

But you know for sure, with less content pre-chapter 13, there's nothing to grind lol.

and doesnt help that i took several month long breaks from the game too cause irl busy

anyways thats that

[vague dew]

?

i don't see how that's relevant lmao

I started qu patch xD

[spice thicket]

it makes sense, i dont need to explain it

its not relevant to the title of this suggestion either, its just a side note

[spice thicket]

i guess im a priority community player for spending 1000+ RC to get over 20 skins

despite never spending on gacha and using default S ranks and grinding them up to SS with ppc

ty lol

[spice thicket]

thats too bad btw

i guess people dont like improving anymore in a game they love

[wind knoll]

its not improving,ur idea is just a cope thing that will never happen,making a f2p leardebord goes 100% against of wat every gacha company wants,u to spend money

and either way f2ps still get high ranks,ur just bad at the game

[rancid canyon]

That wont help bro u just gotta suffer and mald to beat bad whales and grieve when facing good whales

Also im kinda not f2p i have spent 330 rc

[amber spear]

obiz whel

[vague dew]

Wtf, even more obiz

[spice thicket]

bro didnt read 99% of the convo and is butthurt enough by the post title to try and insult me LMAO

oh well, at least i know im top 70 in Hero for my server, im chilling

its not even that deep of a post title, its called game suggestions for a reason.
not "you MUST MAKE THIS HAPPEN" type of stuff you probably used to on twitter

[wind knoll]

bro plays most dead server and thinks 70 is good 💀

when u learn what a good f2p player is u can come back

[spice thicket]

i guess you only know how to make a rebuttal by putting words in others' mouths lmao

no need to discuss further with someone who refuses to listen, but rather vent their ego

[wind knoll]

i am vesting my ego?

ur the one who said ur one of the best f2p in ur region?

are u good?

[wind knoll]

u are the one who refuses to listen,loona tried to be nice to u and u cant understand basic stuff

u have a dumbass ego and no one knows u,rank 70 is shit,in a dead game,i have no ego,ur the one calling urself one of the best f2p in the start of the thread

stop talking like u didnt said that

yes i am putting things in ur mouth

[wind knoll]

yes i amputting things in ur mouth,like ur not saying ur rank 70 to flex u dumbass

[spice thicket]

its not even that deep for me bruh, why isnt this thread inactive already LOL, ya'll stressing this more than i ever will

[wind knoll]

it was inactive,but u have a ego and decided to 4 days later answer me

jsut to get shit on,cuz u know u have no idae what ur talking about

u didnt even talk about my points,all u did is "why is this active 🤓 "

when ur the one who made it active again

talk nonsense then people asnwer ur nonsense with facts and u dont understand why,actualy insanity

[spice thicket]

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