Week 33 - Arm study

[alpine breach]

Welcome to Study groups!!
weekly study challenge to practice art fundamentals

for anyone who wants to join - here's reference!
Try to observe simple shapes, proportions and focus on drawing the reference accurately

WHEN POSTING INTO GALLERIES PLEASE ALWAYS ATTACH ORIGINAL REFERENCE WITH IT

general rules: use any technique, any medium and don't trace or over paint the reference!

this week study ends : <t:1763848920:f>

I will be here to help so feel free to ping me anytime
Have fun!
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Week 33 - Arm study

I was busy lately but I am always ready to help, if you need assistance please feel free to ping me anytime and I will try my best to help you

I will attach useful videos below ❤️

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_xoxpCT57c

more advanced
helpful for rendering study as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3fG6F_pi6M

and ofc proko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai0s4KHi_js

[alpine breach]

pages from Anatomy for sculptors by Uldis Zarins
*advanced but 1st and 2nd page could be useful for anyone

[primal hinge]

Oooo this looks fun !!! Ima do it in the morning

[naive bolt]

HANDS

oh my god I’m gonna suffer

[wraith agate]

hmm

[hidden elm]

oh god.. Lord have mercy apon my soul.. Hands and arms..

[empty vortex]

Wdym i cant just draw squidward tentacles forever

[subtle geyser]

i remember when you were supposed to do these studies in under an hour

[hardy nebula]

Is this to draw arms?

[silk sentinel]

gelp this'll be painful

[high echo]

Hands.... the nightmare has come

[lost chasm]

lol

[tawny sage]

I'm cooked

[vast sage]

time to make thick lines

[tawny sage]

I've already practiced arms💀

[hidden elm]

I'm not ready for this

[tawny sage]

My only good practice

[hardy nebula]

I work out my arms

[tawny sage]

That's tuff

My picture is funnier

[abstract skiff]

Y'all this is going to be so "fun" lol

[tawny sage]

Trust

[abstract skiff]

Mhm!

It's now or never

[limpid thistle]

arm, yay

[abstract skiff]

Yeah yay

[limpid thistle]

are we supposed to do the specific reference or just. arm?

[tawny sage]

Arms generally are not that bad

[hidden elm]

This is my 82nd reasons istg

[hidden elm]

Whatever you wanna do

[abstract skiff]

Oop

[tawny sage]

Hands are bad

[limpid thistle]

sweet

[hidden elm]

Wait wait I did a hand study along time ago 1 sec

[abstract skiff]

Sameee

[abstract skiff]

Gaps

[tawny sage]

Absolute cinema

Im definitely the least experienced in this chat😭

[abstract skiff]

Mine didn't ture out so well fir the hand

T_T

[abstract skiff]

Me to bro we be in the same boat

[tawny sage]

This one has a decent hand

[abstract skiff]

:0

:0

[hidden elm]

I'll pay you to change subjects

[zealous mural]

Alright, ppl, give me advice pls!

-# tee hee

[abstract skiff]

:0

um, shading and maybe fix that finger

[abstract skiff]

Otherwise it looks good

[zealous mural]

-# I suck at hands-

[hidden elm]

Don't rush through, don't just try and copy. Use shapes and get that shape with the reference

[tawny sage]

I would say look at the proportions

[hidden elm]

My notebook and pencil are 45 minutes away 😞

[abstract skiff]

:0

Gaps noooo

[plucky citrus]

I know we shouldn’t trace from the reference but what I like to do if it’s something I need more practice with I normally trace the reference and find the shapes that make it up, then I try it again on my own

[zealous mural]

I’m gonna try and re-do my picture- make it a bit better ^^

[hidden elm]

That's a cool way to try

[plucky citrus]

Thank you ^^ I agree!

Arms are something I struggle with so I might participate in this one

[hardy nebula]

Stages of 2001

4 stages

[abstract skiff]

Okay im go try to draw this wish me good luck T_T

[tawny sage]

Nah God's got u

[hardy nebula]

Good luck twin

[abstract skiff]

Now must poof to the void of drawing T^T

Ahhhhhpoof

[hardy nebula]

I’ll watch the video on how to draw

This is me rn

[leaden cypress]

ARMS

ARMMMMSSS

[hardy nebula]

I’ll do it tomorrow

I need to lock in bf 6

[abstract skiff]

Oh yeah for anyone who needs hand tips here: draw a 3D box for the center and make the fingers 3D as well. I ues that but do what helps you most doesn't have to be what I said [ so sorry for the horrible explanation T_T ]

[zealous mural]

Alright, I’m back people- (redrew it-)

-# pls give tips!

[abstract skiff]

Looks better

[lost chasm]

Is this ok?

[tawny sage]

That's really good

Very simple

I would say that if u want it to look more like the picture u should add the extra muscles

Like near the elbow

[glad mural]

my arm anatomy study ended up drawing Hanzo🫣

[tawny sage]

Ok buddy ur just flexing

Lol looks awesome though

[lost chasm]

Oh alright, sorry I responded late

[tawny sage]

Lol ur good that's just my personal take on it I'm still a little new so for good tips I would ask the other dude😂

[lost chasm]

Oh it’s fine, I’ll first look at what you said then I might ask someone else or just leave it there

[vagrant fossil]

A little nervy but this is my first attempt for this study, will continue to practice the whole week but would like some criticism for this one :3

[tawny sage]

I think everything is good

I'm probably going to have a go at it tomorrow

[vagrant fossil]

thank you !

[tawny sage]

Ofccc

[abstract skiff]

Okay so I got to definitely re-try on this but this is what I have made so fare I haven't drawn on paper for a bit 😅

Also my eraser is kinda lost rn

[tawny sage]

Looks good

[abstract skiff]

Thanks

[cold socket]

hello!! this is my first study here so any feedback would be appreciated!

[hardy nebula]

How did I do never drawn before

[vagrant fossil]

I think that’s wonderful for a first drawing!!! I would suggest playing around with things like form and volume in order to really show depth. Otherwise, I really love your line work

[hardy nebula]

Thanks

[lost chasm]

Does this look better? I think I might’ve made it worse or something

[whole gorge]

I LOVE SINIX DESIGN SO MUCH HELP

[alpine breach]

please keep the post study related.
** You can use reference I've posted however if you want to study arm in more positions go for it, just always use reference and don't try to guess proportions!!**
make sure to check pinned messages with resources

[alpine breach]

and u slayed anyway

[alpine breach]

yeees I chose my 3 favs for studying anatomy! I will try to give more yt channel recommendations in the future

[severe cedar]

it was a bit difficult since i don't draw in realism 90% of the time..

[orchid vine]

Progress so far

Ive been always lurking on the studies and never doing them, currently on campus and decided to join this one on my phone real quick lol

[chrome lagoon]

AUGHHH I suck at this stuff

[alpine breach]

now u can take your redlined reference and draw it as u just did without ref pic under it! helps u build the muscle memory

[hallow robin]

Your perspective circles things are backwards 😅

[chrome lagoon]

whaaaa

[hallow robin]

If you imagine the entire circles you see that you draw the back side of the arm

[chrome lagoon]

Hmmmm

[hallow robin]

Can we have a little tutorial on how to render skin pls ?

[chrome lagoon]

Redid it, fixed the perspective lines

[alpine breach]

@hallow robin definitely check this too, sinix is explaining his rendering process very well too

[hallow robin]

Okay, thanx ! :D

[alpine breach]

But I will keep in mind to save pics during my process to set up a little tutorial!

[primal hinge]

Do we just draw arms this time not a spesific image ?

[alpine breach]

U can follow the reference above but if u want to fully study arms feel free to do more poses, just make sure to have ref for each

For example u can try to draw arms from the videos above too

[primal hinge]

Ok !

Thanks !

[zealous mural]

-# @alpine breach (srry 4 ping just wanna get some tips!)

Here’s another arm!

[digital jolt]

a quick one i don’t really do arms but i keep lurking so i’ve gotta do smth

ignore the hand

i am way to lazy

tips welcome and don’t criticise my sketching its so chicken scratching core sigh

[primal hinge]

Bro if yours are chicken skratch what are mine 😭 I don’t have pen pressure

[digital jolt]

i don’t either

[primal hinge]

Will anyone be rendering there arms ?

[digital jolt]

broken iphone 14 and a finger with a dream

i might if i decide to lock in

[hallow robin]

You can also use paper and a pencil :)

[primal hinge]

My Appel pencil broke 3 years ago and I just decided to try painterly anime style instead of replacing it lol

So my sketch’s look baaad

[alpine breach]

hii sure!
pic1 - make sure to check the shapes in your reference, especially the lines on upper part of arm
pic2 - check for negative space in the reference, super helpful to figure out if your proportions are correct. upper art is too short!

also do u work with tablet? I see that your brush has no pen pressure

if u don't work with tablet and pen pressure I would recommend drawing it traditionally, definitely will make your life easier:D

[digital jolt]

i can’t do any traditional i hate it

had a little re draw for funsies

not redraw

but like refinement

[orchid vine]

What do you guys think of this so far

[digital jolt]

peak but it looks a bit stiff compared to the refrence

[digital jolt]

weow

[primal hinge]

Neverrrrrrrr lol

[alpine breach]

looks good so far, just check this part, u are missing a muscle there!
also armpit area should be more in shadow

[primal hinge]

I’ll just have to go over the sketch a cuppel times or render them,

[digital jolt]

old art (ignore pose i was a bit daft idk what happened) but look at my arms then </3 and the hands were so creepy

[primal hinge]

My chicken skracky sketches so far don’t judge too harshly as it’s only the first pass I think I might render them

[digital jolt]

dude your good haha

anatomy is for cool people i just cry until im delulu enough to think it looks good

[primal hinge]

Honestly SAAME

I just go of vibes alone

[orchid vine]

screw anatomy, draw monsters instead

that's my motto

[primal hinge]

Don’t u need like god level knowledge of anatomy to do monsters ?

[digital jolt]

look at this one i had to do in acrylic irl (it’s in procreate bc i was trying to do some improvement)

[digital jolt]

depends

[orchid vine]

you gotta KNOW the muscles and body parts, not draw them accurately

[digital jolt]

LMAO

[primal hinge]

Yea but that’s my problem I have no idea what most of the, are called I just draw the

[digital jolt]

arms are lowkey easy when i think about it but i just procrastinate anatomy

[primal hinge]

I don’t think basic anatomy is that hard I think forced perspective is hard

[orchid vine]

i mean look at these fellas, they defo dont need accurate anatomy lmao

anyways ill go shoosh shoosh to not get too off topic, arms

[primal hinge]

Are anyone gonna render the arms ? If so I might

Cus again my sketching is not Pretty

[orchid vine]

I did #1439375112921940140 message

not fully done but almost there

[primal hinge]

I might render one of them

After I finished the sketches

[crude anvil]

Quick sketch

[digital jolt]

small one. i haven’t practiced anatomy in ages* cut me some slack

[crude anvil]

draw the fingers!

[digital jolt]

nooooooo

i hate them

[crude anvil]

they aren't so bad

i think they're pretty fun if you get the hang of it

and I don't draw them perfectly

[digital jolt]

i suppose but i hate doing small things i love drawing clothes sigh

[crude anvil]

understandable

[digital jolt]

it’s bigger and like u just block stuff in and it’s just drawing lines

[fiery cove]

Damn I drew something and I don't like how it looks 💔

[crude anvil]

post it anyway

[fiery cove]

Its unfinished but ima send

[alpine breach]

keep the post study related, if u have something else use #🎨・art-chat or #978708583090892830

[digital jolt]

i never know how to draw hands

[alpine breach]

make sure to have ref with u to make it easier for yourself!

[digital jolt]

i did but i kinda just went off it because i’ve used refs for ages 💔 i love refs but if i don’t learn it my way they’ll keep being stiff because i still draw things to stiff with refs

[twilit mountain]

Progress so far; in all my art training, anatomy was never taught in depth (even in multiple figure drawing classes!), I've probably only done closer study of face/head anatomy on my own. I've always admired artists who show clear skeletal/muscle structure underneath, gonna keep refining it

Those videos posted have been super helpful so far, helped me get that sketch down for sure

[primal hinge]

Yea I agree ! I have no formal training in art so I’m missing a lot of fundemtals with is way I started studying them now last month

[alpine breach]

I do have training and from my experience the 1st video I've posted is pretty much the things that we were learning in class.

1. understanding simple shape in 3d, helps u understand how to break down complicated forms into simple ones (basically cylinders, cubes etc)
2. adding some construction to it, understanding how to transform simple shapes into something more accurate (at the beginning u would say arm is cylinders and 2 spheres, now you would add some transformed simple shapes like I sent from on my last post (pic below)
3. adding anatomy and organic forms once u understand the construction of said simple shapes

[jade mica]

I'm scared of anatomy

This is very scary

[alpine breach]

done!

[alpine breach]

no worries, it's only about trying:D I recommend watching videos above before u start, they are right below the post!

[primal hinge]

I just relised I’m working on the wrong arm… o well

Guys I’m doing. A different arm than all of you this week

[alpine breach]

screenshots from process!
simple sketch > blocking with color and adding some color variation > defining shadows/lights > rendering > rendering > merging everything together and working on details/hightlings/small adjustments

I will probably draw a full sheet, I think I could have add more color variation

[orchid vine]

Progress report

What you thinking

[primal hinge]

@alpine breach I’m not shure how to progress with the rending form here can u give me some advice?

[alpine breach]

especially torso needs some more adjustments, there are no dark values so it looks flat compared to the arm!
also this part might be a bit too dark!

[primal hinge]

Ok I will fix that

[primal hinge]

Is this better ?

How do u make your work look so polished ? Mine always look so messy

[alpine breach]

yup definitely better!
honestly it's just rendering time, I usually lay down everything pretty quickly and then spend time with rendering!

[primal hinge]

I don’t think I can do muth better than this and advice?

[twilit mountain]

I know when I start feeling like my rendering is messy/not polished, I start working on simplifying as much as possible (having that problem with this study right now even lolll)

[primal hinge]

Yea I did that a bit but I generally see that in my art I struggle to get the rendering to the level I want ?

[alpine breach]

there are some anatomy issues with abdominal muscles and collarbones but I would just keep it in mind for next study rather then adjusting it all rn
I would focus on sharper render of hand and call it complete

[primal hinge]

Yea I didn’t actually have a refrence for the body.. I wanted to exsted the image of the arm refrence I used but coudent find a good refrence for the torso with is probably way some things are off

My ref

The color bone is a easy fix so imma do that before I say I’m done at least

[twilit mountain]

It could definitely just be time spent refining then, I notice a major difference in my studies that are 0.5-3 hours vs 10-12 for example, which is when I start getting real focused on details and crisping/cleaning things up. I know in things like speed painting you can fudge a lot of detail with object brushes and texture brushes too

[primal hinge]

Yea I noticed that too like the last 2-3 hours of a drawing is just spent polishing or cleaning up the drawing with I often tend to skip half way Thu cus I get bord with leads to me not beeing 100% happy with it than going back like 3 days later and fixing it

[alpine breach]

I saw the most progress in my rendering when I was able to dedicate more hours to my studies, usually I did them in 1h max and was too quick with my process, did few studies, spend around 4h on each and now I am able to render faster. The study I did today took me 1.5h

[twilit mountain]

I'm an impatient painter too, I getchu

[primal hinge]

Yea I spent 4 h on this but I’m also super slow and did a bunch of other sketches too

[alpine breach]

if u feel like it's not enough add few more hours to it, one long study can improve the render so try to polish it as much as u possible can:D
I was discussing it with my teacher, that I am not happy with my render, and he told me ''well render takes time so u can't really expect to render well when you work only on quick works!'' was pretty hard to start with it but I am super happy I did xd

[primal hinge]

Yea truuu I need to stop beeing so inpatient with my rending lol

It’s like I just give up wen it looks decent but than wen I look at other ppls work that have actually spent the time on the final render im like dame that loooks soo good.

[primal hinge]

Have u done any kind of art school ?

[alpine breach]

yup! I've been studying art since high school and currently working on my master's degree in illustration!:D

[primal hinge]

Wooow that’s soo cool !!!! Kinda jealous of ppl who can go to art school !! I woud have but I cent cus of my disability.

[alpine breach]

thank you!! honestly I am grateful I can study there but art school is not a requirement for you to be great at art or to get into any artistic profession

[primal hinge]

Yea !! I’m just now trying to learn a lot about art and actually studdy it cus I haven’t before and I find it really fun ! It’s probably just gonna take me a bit longer than if I had a option for formal education

I Coud also just get good and it stay a hobby I guess like a secret skill
Hehhehe

[alpine breach]

wish you luck with it!!

[primal hinge]

Thanks !!!! 😄 u too with your masters

[twilit mountain]

some more progress, might render it more, might not, it is a mystery! think I should do some more sketch studies to actually understand the muscle groups from various angles. I think the delt is wrapping just slightly behind, right?

[orchid vine]

Having fun with it

[primal hinge]

Yea I think imm gonna keep doing more art sketches this week ! To get a better understanding of the mussel groups

[alpine breach]

looks great, I would consider it complete 💖

[opaque fjord]

still wip
imma continue later

[twin ginkgo]

Is it man or woman hand

[twin ginkgo]

Not only did i mess up the hand the pen was horrendous and started dying👺 👺 👺 👺

[zealous mural]

I use procreate on my iPad but I don’t use an Apple Pencil- also ty for the tips!

-# so sorry for late reply

[vivid flare]

3min sketch while I’m working, Not done yet, still have to add color

@twin ginkgo I’m having problems with the hand also, maybe because I’m working and can’t fully focus, but yours look good

[twin ginkgo]

If i were to work with pencil id break the hand into two boxes

Bro r the fingers i cant😭 is this satire

[alpine breach]

working on 3rd!

[primal hinge]

I started working on the actual arm I was supposed to !!! This is just a Wip I’m not done

[primal hinge]

Almost done !! Just need to render it a bit more… but I have school tomorrow and I got to sleeeep

So I will Finnish it tomorrow.. ignore the hand til than lol haven’t gotten til that part

[keen crystal]

Yo

This is a really good group ngl

I might tune in more often to increase my art skills cause, I SUCK am amazing at art

[charred dirge]

I failed :,>

[primal hinge]

Noo u can do it !!! Ther is no harm is failing jut mens u learn !!

[primal hinge]

Yess DO MORE ART STUDYS

[primal hinge]

Done with the actual studdy I was supposed to do. Any critique? I wanna get better

[tired ivy]

I just want to say this, airbrush is overrated by a lot, I personally use a blur tool and two shades, one darker and one lighter

[marble spoke]

25 min block in method
Default brush - (flat watercolor (opaque))

[chrome lagoon]

did some arm study

[chrome lagoon]

how do you do that 3d thing

[twin ginkgo]

Cylinders

Long cylinder

[hallow robin]

Simplifying into simpler shapes and making side faces visible

[alpine breach]

definitely try to draw them on new canvas without reference right under it, will help u with muscle memory and understanding it

this process is good as starting point but you should finish the study with drawing the construction and lines yourself!

[twin ginkgo]

Yes

One thing to have ref to the side or above what ur drawing but tracing not goodings👺

[hallow robin]

I'm trying different shading techniques, it's kinda cool but it feels weird, idk why

[opaque fjord]

Yeah helps seeing how its built and where its facing

[zinc birch]

Also dis

[chrome lagoon]

Redid the lineart

[frigid crescent]

I have a hard time figuring out the correct colors for skin, you have any advice on how to figure that out?
I've realized that skin under lighting tends to veer towards very saturated colors, more orange then I would typically think.

[alpine breach]

yes that's super common and it's usually because of white/bright canvas color! then we tend to use lighter/less saturated colors because the bright color of bg is clashing with every other color and it makes it hard to choose something more saturated!
To fix this you can use darker bg color and be aware of your color choices. make sure to check the color wheel and point out where are the colors you are using - are they low or high saturated? am I tend to use only light colors that are not really different in value? once you spot some mistakes you can work in fixing them - my common mistake was choosing low saturated light value color for base and then every other color choice was impacted by it xd some artists use base colors in this range instead which can sounds extreme at first but can help with overall values in final work! (for example if you check sinix's work u will see that he is using super saturated colors but it doesn't look that extreme because of his bg color that is supporting the nice color theory)

[primal hinge]

Doing more arms this time the Mussels. I might add the names

Dose anyone know what this part is called ?

[hallow robin]

The elbow ?

(what are you asking exactly ?)

Can someone help me with the color difference between the hand and the rest of the arm, please ? It looks wrong

[simple dust]

[tight mesa]

Well I finally finished it. It turned out exactly as I expect I hate fingers

But any helpful tips?

[hallow robin]

The hand is always bigger than you think
If you draw a full body, the fingers can cover your whole face
Here, you can remember the palm is wider than the forearm

[alpine breach]

Hiii if you want to adjust your work or try different study you can focus on hand construction first! make sure to check the proportions, your hand is currently too small
I am attaching some simple construction you can try before adding fingers and other details

[hallow robin]

Uuuh, yeah, not really if you have a very muscular forearm 😅

[alpine breach]

hello, you will probably need more color variation, your shadow colors is not as saturated as it is on ref pic (you are adding too much grey to it). you have correctly added some redish tones but I think u can go even more saturated! pretty much just check overall saturation

[hallow robin]

Thank you, I'll check that :)

[alpine breach]

here u go
*from book anatomy for sculptors by Uldis Zarins

[primal hinge]

Thanks !!

[tight mesa]

Thank you

[tight mesa]

Thanks. Though some part of me always draws it smaller

[hallow robin]

Better ?

[azure ravine]

Please tell me if something looks off

[tight mesa]

So I redrew it? Better?

[alpine breach]

yeees good job!!!

[alpine breach]

hii I would recommend drawing whole arm (no cut off hands) and focus on correct size of hand, some of them are a bit too small. overall nice study

[alpine breach]

this line is a bit too dark but overall nice finished work!!

[hallow robin]

I can't even tell on the original picture, is this a vein ?

[alpine breach]

tendor probably!

[primal hinge]

Wens the new studdy group ?