Homestead Flower Guide

[rough elm]

resetting the reds now there

[heady grotto]

these guys are black right?

[rich jungle]

pretty sure (but bad lighting)

[raw field]

is there any way to get rid of regular fertilizer? want to do the more lucrative commissions to try and max out the homestead asap but the fertilizer is annoying

[spice swift]

plant > fertilize > recycle > plant > fertilize > recycle > ad nauseam

that all i can think about.

[raw field]

that's what i feared....

[low summit]

Fertilizer. The bane of perfection.

its coming along ^^

[low summit]

I hate this. even clicking on the advanced fertilzer, It still somehow went to the regular for 2 of my hydrangras

7 hour mistake..

[ivory minnow]

i made a macro to spam click while holidng down a key and it still managed to use the wrong one for me

i think its because i had the client on a 30 fps lock at the time

[fluid sorrel]

This is very cute, might have to make my setup similar now

[low summit]

:D

[low summit]

still a WIP

[low summit]

How does roommate pollination work? Can they grab an unlimited amount of pollen? Is each flower limited to 1?

[storm fjord]

1, theyll be pollinated if they put their plots beside yours

same rules

[low summit]

i meant for grabbing pollen

to clarify

[storm fjord]

ye its 1

[charred herald]

Hii is this black?

I mean, are any of these 2 == these other 2?

No i think right?

[rich jungle]

I think they are usually more yellow, also the only way to tell shape is to harvest them. So just harvest them and check their sell price.

[charred herald]

oof, and that would mean I shld have 0 seeds too right technically before harvesting?

[rich jungle]

ideally, but as long as you harvest and re-plant immediately it should plant the same seed.

[low summit]

There is a specific blue/purple hydrangea that looks like it's black. But that one looks black to me tbh.

Let me plant one real quick and get u the color.

this is a black tulip/ hydrangea

at noon

so those hydrangeas look black to me

[rich jungle]

I believe HK was asking if these two greenish yellows were the high selling price ones (hence the second image with the high priced flowers), not the two black flowers.

[low summit]

ohhhhh

negative. The high prices are more golden yellow than anything.

[charred herald]

Haha yea I was meming a bit

Thank you both ❤️

[raw field]

well okay

[low summit]

hm

lol

dang. not a perfect middle hydrangea.

it made a black U_U

[rich jungle]

just check the left one and if correct shape swap it out with the center. If it still produces black then take the next child and replace it...

[low summit]

I just swapped the middle with a child from a perfect one that never produced a black.

is that fine?

[rich jungle]

and just move that old center outside by itself and farm it (or if you only have 1 parent atm then use it as a 2nd parent for another cross)

yeah

[low summit]

swapped one of the bottoms for the left middle.

[rich jungle]

I would keep that non-perfect parent somewhere by itself. As you can later rebuild a black from it if we need one next season for example.

[low summit]

oh, fair enough.

will a non aabb hydrangea eventually become one with a perfect parent? ive got one that has been being stubborn, and is aaB_

getting close. aside from 2 miscolored, and one off shape, they are all perfect.

[storm fjord]

im ready to start thay project after i please my autism and all my housemates get their achievement

[rough elm]

😭 thought i had it finally... 😒

[low summit]

ah night time. the bane of us

[rough elm]

even the ai thinks its black ... 😒

wonder if that could yield black thou xD

tempted to put in mid

pissed atm, lol will go backk to it later today xD

[low summit]

If it's purple quality. Maybe

[rough elm]

my thoughts exactly. will see later. already have a dark blue and light blue purple for 2 plots. may try this third for fun

[low summit]

Might as well xD

Are those 2 purple plots all the same color yet?

[rough elm]

nah

[low summit]

k, then still might go black

[rough elm]

hope so

🤞

[low summit]

Mhm. Worst case you can do the switcheroo, but you are set to get a black 100%

[rough elm]

slowly but surely

[rough elm]

bleh, was blue. dud

[low summit]

rip

[dreamy kayak]

if the cross plot has mixed colors with the center/right/left being blue quality, am I supposed to just replant the same seeds in the same plot without changing anything? or am I recycling the seeds somewhere else and repurchasing new ones from the lady?

[low summit]

So, if you dont have a purple quality yet

then you would fert+water middle blue, then just water side flowers after replanting

until you get a purple.

[main basin]

how does roommates harvesting your flowers work?

if they harvest your black flower will you lose it?

[median matrix]

roommates will only be able to harvest flowers that they planted themselves

so once you find a black flower, you can leave in the center of the cross and let them plant around it

[main basin]

Hmm I see

[median matrix]

eventually they’ll get black flowers that they can harvest

[main basin]

Can you pick their flowers though?

[median matrix]

nope! just pollenate them, you could recycle the plot but i usually just let them have at it

[main basin]

Seems kind of inconvenient if you want to farm Homestead coins

But I understand now thanks

[median matrix]

100%

[vapid plume]

hey i got a roommate with black flowers and i gathered the pollen from them then terminated back to my own homestead but i dunno how to use the pollen i got there's no option 🙁

[coarse timber]

any of these are black?

[short cedar]

@rich jungle i promised not to ping u and trust if it's over 80% accuracy, but this is 78%, so i have to ask 😩

[rich jungle]

yeah its black

[short cedar]

omg i'm so happy im cryin finally 😭

[rich jungle]

pale white

[rich jungle]

yes, but theoretically it is possible to just keep losing the 50/50 for eternity 🙂

[low summit]

Yay

[low summit]

Don't u put that on me.

[short cedar]

fellow gardener, i hope you get a full field of black flowers blooming 😤

💪 🐣

[low summit]

black flowers are poopy though

Im way past that point >:D

[short cedar]

OH WUT

IS THERE A NEXT STAGE??

WHAT'S AFTER BLACK FLOWERS

[low summit]

Perfect hydrangeas. Selling for 193 a piece, getting like 6-8 per flower.

You want an aabbccddEEff hydrangea.

Making like 26k homestead coins ever 12 hrs if you do it perfectly.

[low summit]

Like this.

[short cedar]

you should collab with Mr. Doma here and make a full homestead guide

and get Moxroll to host u both

bc i'm 10000% interested

[rough elm]

Hey Lilli, once you unlock advanced fert, can you advance fert midle and regular fert sides? Im assuming adv fert only makes it faster than reg ?

[rich jungle]

yes

[rough elm]

noice. wish i had thought of it before i started this new batch xD

althou i only just realised i unlocked it yesterday when i upgraded the place lol oh well , now i know

tleast it'll accelerate things a bit

thx again!

[raw field]

what's the ideal way to work towards perfect hydrangeas?

[low summit]

get a the equivilent tulip through RNG, then use taht tulip to make hydrangeas

:D

I got pretty lucky myself from an aabb black flower, and it turned into that very tulip which i set aside thx to Doma

idk if there is a better way, you have to ask the real master.

@rich jungle

my newest batch >:D

[raw field]

trueeeee

back to the tulip mines after i get all hydrangea colors

[rich jungle]

basically, plant around your black flowers, and when harvesting look for any flowers that are in the top section of this chart: (page 4)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oQeh3xKwLLgIdPFfFx_ecmGCMerFv_FVDrrceGZ3UzA/edit?gid=1651120241#gid=1651120241

Any time you get one, mark down its sell price (hydrangea price from the chart).
Then keep going, after a while if you don't get any better, consider pollinating from that. Create 4 parent tulips and pollinate hydrangeas from them.

[low summit]

ayyy. Doma already cooking with the hydrangea guide :D

[rich jungle]

I've rewritten the script like 10 times, keep going between being too in dept and too simple...

[low summit]

xD

Could do a TLDR version for first half, then let them choose for the in depth version after it?

[low summit]

muahahaha

[raw field]

got a full recessive aabb_ccddeeff black flower

perfect hydrangeas are on the horizon . . .

[low summit]

heck yea!

[rough elm]

😮 I think i got it! x2 too

looks like eh

[storm fjord]

[low summit]

they black

[rough elm]

🎉

[potent walrus]

is this the flower ppl talk about keeping for homestead coin farming?

[charred herald]

wait wtf

not hydrangea anymore?

[rich jungle]

Decent, but not max. (max is 193) but that is the best flower for that shape.

So if you only get that shape/the below shape. Then it is your best flower, but if you commonly get more shapes then it is likely not the best.

[potent walrus]

Gotcha, ty

[raw field]

it begins

[fluid sorrel]

just want a second pair of eyes to make sure this is correct

and if yes do i just plant new fresh seeds around it now? is that literally it?

[rich jungle]

yes, and no need for fresh seeds. A black flower will turn everything around it black after enough generations.

[fluid sorrel]

thank you! ^^

[rough elm]

oh cool, i was still recycling. good to know

[low summit]

nooooooo

its a sad day in flower haven...

[raw field]

soon...

[low summit]

It was so close to perfect. then one of em had to be....

Im not gonna finish that sentence

[spice swift]

wow the fertiziler bug is very atrocious :/

any way to discard blue fertilizer? (beside putting it into a plant, recycle , repeat)

[raw field]

nope!!!! cant store it in homestead, can't give it to the goods recycler, can't discard it from your inventory

[final tendon]

I'm jealoussss

[low summit]

Have fuuuun

[raw field]

either have to save a plot to throw away bad fertilizer or eat the homestead exp loss

[rough elm]

its beautiful

[low summit]

Very

[rough elm]

Should be done tonight. Then il go finish that 50 5 star fishies and i think thats it. maybe 1 more gold after to get to the end

ty vm Lilli and Doma for all the help

[rich jungle]

Swap out that parent on the right and keep it out by itself (can still harvest every cycle) so you can rebuild a black for next season if we need one.

[low summit]

nu uh! Ive got a random black tulip for that

xD

[rich jungle]

yeah but I have a field of 20 perfect flowers + 1 which I know can produce a black flower. So I have max max income.

[low summit]

ugh... thats true.

I already swapped with a child and redid stuff tho

we will see if its still subperfect

[rough elm]

yay !

[solemn star]

finally

[low summit]

why u go for a black hydrangea, you crazy crazy.

[solemn star]

you not wrong

I skipped the other flowers too

[low summit]

@_@

[storm fjord]

i went for black so i can have a collcetion of every black flower

[raw field]

need one so you can get the cheevo for collecting all of each shape and color for each flower

[low summit]

... but you dont need black for that...

[potent walrus]

black flowers are starting to feel like a futile effort

[low summit]

what step are you on right now?

[raw field]

you'd need to collect a black flower though.... One of each type

[low summit]

I dont think you do.

Black flower isnt counted for that achievement

[raw field]

but there are 16 flower colors and the cheevo counts to 16

[low summit]

wait really?

[compact canopy]

at last

[low summit]

gz!

[rich jungle]

Max Homestead coin guide out now.
video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh8jETnJZRw
Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oQeh3xKwLLgIdPFfFx_ecmGCMerFv_FVDrrceGZ3UzA/edit?gid=1651120241#gid=1651120241

[raw field]

lets goooo

also i would note to keep an empty plot for recycling blue fertilizer

or tbh maybe it's higher income to just stick to doing the lower homestead commissions

[low summit]

no need for that

if you get blue fert, buy a tulip, harvest 1 hydrangea, and use those tulips to murder the fertilizer

then re plant the hydrangea

[raw field]

trueeeee, guess you can just do it in-between cycles

[low summit]

mhmm

thats what I do

I dont yet have 20 plots

[raw field]

though is there an issue with selecting seeds like there is selecting fertilizer?

[low summit]

but im super close

to perfection

[low summit]

tulips are always first

just make sure you match tulip amount to fertilier

if you get 3 regulars, then get 3 tulips

[raw field]

aaaa

[tranquil skiff]

black?

[coarse timber]

https://imdomatic-flowerdetect.hf.space/?__theme=system&deep_link=-H0wEUAz5eA

[rich jungle]

yes (center and 3 closer hydrangeas)

[coarse timber]

guys some1 knows how do i pollinate?

[tranquil skiff]

yippie!!!

[solar sail]

hey @rich jungle
sometimes the detected flowers get 2 borders,
lightblue and darkblue
https://imdomatic-flowerdetect.hf.space/?__theme=system&deep_link=QQ4nwodbbU0

so i didnt see the darkblue border, and went on to harvest that filed
it actually 3 golden flowers

how to get just 1 border?

[low summit]

yea

[tranquil skiff]

my goat

[low summit]

that yellow one looks like a perfect too

[tranquil skiff]

how do i check if it was?

i harvested already 😔

[low summit]

did u sell?

[tranquil skiff]

no

[low summit]

show the price of the yellow flower on its own.

[tranquil skiff]

idk which one it is

[low summit]

............

guess we will find out tomorrow...

[tranquil skiff]

unless it turns black

then we wont 😂

but what price is the goal?

[low summit]

193

[tranquil skiff]

none are 193

highest i have is 190

[low summit]

uhh

you are looking for

Doma has a guide out

for maxing hydrangeas

[fickle otter]

what does the number value mean for the ai?

[potent walrus]

someone please tell me im finally free of this hell

[past plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/man-free-man-freedom-free-chain-gif-2032133702890087634

[potent walrus]

i would like to take this moment to thank god, my parents, the creators of tanaka-kun is always listless, and anyone who has forgotten what I was like in high school

it wouldnt be possible without them

[rich jungle]

Most likely the problem is just the straight down angle + shadows + orientation. The photos I mainly used to train it are slightly angled like the image on the page, and taken from an angle looking towards the house. Based on the shadow direction it looks like you took it looking left/right. (This is a weakness which I hope to add more training data to fix in the next few versions).

[rich jungle]

confidence level (with 0.99 being 99% confident etc.)

[solar sail]

Not left to right.
This is the screenshot just before the harvesting. The camera was facing toward the house.

[rich jungle]

ah I see, just woke up lmao

[solar sail]

More of zoomed in and the camera from the top. 😂 🤣

[rich jungle]

Yeah I have almost 100 more images for training when I can get around to labeling them. Spent the last few days finishing off the guide, hopefully I can fix some of these inconsistencies.

[solar sail]

Thanks for the awesome work.! 👍
I'll be looking forward to seeing your guides.

[solar sail]

Can someone plz explain what these Mature Flowers mean?

[storm fjord]

flowers that are ready to be harvested

[potent walrus]

im free

[charred herald]

IM DED

[low summit]

one of my flowers refuse to go aabb

its been like 9 generations

two flowers actually apparently

[tranquil skiff]

@low summit it turned black 🙁

[low summit]

happens

U_U

[tranquil skiff]

if this matters

at all

[low summit]

unfortuately those are cheap D:

[sonic panther]

pog i got a 193 today so i can start useing it as the parent and make more

[gloomy umbra]

how often can you water the hydrangea ?

[rich jungle]

you can water them when planting, then after that twice.
Once about 6-9 hours after planting (assuming advanced fertilizer)
And again at 12 hours after planting (instantly completes them).

If you don't use advanced fertilizer/miss a watering cycle it gets delayed a bit.

[low summit]

The way I do it, is after first water, its available at 14:30 remaining time, then again at around 3:30 remaining.

each water shaves 5 hours off, so at 14:30 it goes to 9:30 left, then 6 hours later for 3:30 left.

im killing one of my fields. Its been 10 generations and its still not aabb

it dies now.

I just hit level 7 homestead. This is all thats left to perfect >:D

[misty lotus]

BLACK?

[topaz quail]

yes

btw if my friend uses my black flower like this and they added their field on the 4 corners, do they still need to manually pollinate or nah?

am lowkey bothered how its not symmetrical

oh nvm, found the answer #1427671944437956638 message

[potent igloo]

i got this what should i do now?

[low summit]

just replant sides and repeat

until either all 1 color, or you get a black

[potent igloo]

Alr

Day 2

[spice swift]

i made a second account with character to level 40. it is extremely fast and easy (and friendly, steam allow easy account switching) to fertilize your plant for free. Your alt should only do the commission that dont give blue fertilizer.

You can also use them to put some legendary food into the share for more profit.

[raw field]

mite be fun, but also, sounds like effort . . .

[spice swift]

effort? 10 second to alt+f4 switch account. press homestead button, fertilize (which cost 0 since it is the same time with main or alt). you get bazillion of bound luno from different shops (including honor, reclaim, etc) to get material for the homestead and then you buy the fertilizer or just craft it. I got my house maxed already thats 20 plant, not sure it is possible without alt/friends(which mean sharing some plant).

if you call that "effort" i'm judging you ...

main quest give double exp.. takes maybe an hour of spam ESC key and done...

[solar sail]

please help to id them.
https://imdomatic-flowerdetect.hf.space/?__theme=system&deep_link=-kf8nVXGP_U
Are they black(darkblue borders) or are they blue(lightblue borders)?

[rich jungle]

black, the AI struggles with direct top down images and long shadows as the shadows drastically change the colors. So its hard to train the AI for long shadows without creating a bunch of false positives.

camera -> settings -> enable time freeze -> slide to middle.

[fickle otter]

it took me 7 generations to get my black from my EE and DD but I'm finally free. Thanks for the guides!!

[solar sail]

Awesome. Thank you very much. 👍 👍 😘

[raw field]

currently have 14/16 perfect hydrangeas

just need one last one to turn instead of going black and then a full reccessive (i think) black that i'm keeping stowed away just in case

[rich jungle]

if you have an ideal (purple) parent that produces black flowers as a hydrangea you can just separate that one out and keep it (harvest/replant as normal). Which you can later set as a parent to create black flowers from if you ever need them again.

[raw field]

ooooo

that's a good idea

will just have to keep track of where i put it

[sonic panther]

Doma how many cycles does it to for a parent to make a clone child?

On avrg

I got my ideal 13 tuplis parents working on the hydrangea children

[potent igloo]

Any of these worth changing to center plot?

[rich jungle]

its just super rng. You just need to hit the 50/50s for each gene. Probably something in like the 3-8 cycles for average.

[sonic panther]

k

[low summit]

im almost theeeere.

[spice swift]

same flower not same photo (yes i enabled time freeze)
which one i believe?
(mid is hydrangea, dont ask)

oh maybe i took when a cloud passed by...

[heady grotto]

none black

[idle horizon]

How many cycles did it take for some of you to obtain the first black flower? It's been 8 cycles so far :/

[heady grotto]

if you are very very extremely lucky you can get 2-3 cycles

[idle horizon]

i see okay so i just gotta stick with it

i was getting concerned if my flowers are just placed incorrectly or doing it wrong

[heady grotto]

are the mid rare ones?

or epic?

[idle horizon]

epic

[heady grotto]

try to switch the mid one with newly produced epic if you have one

from new seed

[idle horizon]

the 2 on the side are both blues

i can do some swapping

a few purples around the center

[heady grotto]

dont put blues/rare in the mid

[idle horizon]

yep~ i got like 4x purples laying around that i can swap

[heady grotto]

are those purple from new seeds?

if they are try swap with it

[idle horizon]

oh hmm cant remember but idts

i know the 2x blues are new

[short cedar]

@low summit are ylw best for making money after youre done with black flower achievement

[low summit]

Yes. Specifically #13, the aabbccddEEff version

[rich jungle]

cloud + long shadows (not frozen at direct noon) drastically alter the colors which lead to bad results. Its better to train it the AI around mostly standardized images, otherwise the training set would need to be in the 10k+ image range to avoid false positives, which would take days to train it.

[spice swift]

yep i alreayd moved my fields far from the house. but did not expect a cloud to pass right at the wrong time lol

[mild torrent]

if i have all purple and all the same colors, does that mean i need to fully restart?

[storm fjord]

if all your flowers are the same colour you should restart yes

[mild torrent]

😭

[sonic panther]

exp wise whats the best way to push homestead lv to get my last plots?

[charred herald]

Wait is using a black flower to get the higher cost hydrangea better?

[spice swift]

make level 40 alt on secondary account... very low effort required. can even provide free legendary food & free fertilizer.

game is free to play.... cost 0€

[potent igloo]

Black?

[spice swift]

🙂 ❤️

[charred herald]

Looks like it yeah

[mild torrent]

are these black!? or are they like gray?

[rich jungle]

yes, and "black" flowers are gray.

[mild torrent]

YESSS AMAZING. thank you so much for confirmation!!

[tranquil skiff]

@low summit

first gen

hopefully by 5 gens

btw with hydrangea maxxing

is it worth using super fert?

[low summit]

Always.

The moment you have advanced, you should never use regular.

[tranquil skiff]

me who never used any fert normally

💀

[low summit]

Changes a like 1 day 10hr time to 20hrs

[tranquil skiff]

omg

[low summit]

In reality, it takes about 12hrs if you keep on watering per hydrangea.

Hydrangeas can be watered every 6 hours, and there is a few hour window where you can water. So after first fert+water, it's 20hrs 30min. Next water is at 14hrs 30min left, bringing it to 9hrs 30. Then you can water one more time at 3hrs 30 remaining, finishing the growth.

[short cedar]

@low summit this wut my garden look like rn

• is this how things should look as I approach end of "phase 1" (black flower phase), and entering "phase 2" (ylw flower for money)?

🐣

[low summit]

Kinda crazy close on the black flowers. As a heads up, a flower can only have one parent.

For maxing, you want to do the normal cross to create clones of the golden hydrangeas, and hopefully they are fully dominant and don't make blacks on accident.

[short cedar]

i dun rly know wut this means bc im dum dum, but after the black flower fields are fully black, i just sorta pull all the blacks flowers out and try to use the ylw ones to pollenate, right

[low summit]

To be quite honest, the black flowers are kind of useless when you have the achievement.

When I say cross, I mean like this.

............|Seed|
|Seed| Max. |Seed|
|Seed|

You put the golden flower in the middle, and then create children from it.

[short cedar]

ya, das wut i tried to convey earlier
basically after i pull out all the black floers, i identify the ylw that i want to become dominant, then put that ylw in the middle

the empty fields will have seeds + water (no fertilizer)

[low summit]

always fertilize

[short cedar]

o

[low summit]

just leave the middle flower grown

[short cedar]

oooooh

so das where i'm messing up

wow i learn something new everyday

gardening is actually fun 🐣

[short cedar]

as i initially identify which one i want to be dominant, i wouldn't know unless i pull the flower out, right

so initially, i'd have to only fertilize mid + only water the other4 fields

[low summit]

Yes, but for hydrangeas all you need to do is skip watering once. You lose way too much time.

When you pick the Goldens, they should look like this.

if you get one that is like this, set it to the side, and create flowers off of it.

until they too, become this flower.

rince, and repeat.

this is all that is left in my maxing.

[raw field]

it is ultimately pointless but very satisfying

[spice swift]

I have a character lv 40+ (mostly activity exp) and i dont have homestead quest unlock. Anybody know the other requirement?

[wide mason]

When is it in the story for unlock homestead pls?

[rich jungle]

lvl 40, quest is "Ocean Platinum Card"

[rich jungle]

It should auto unlock the ocean platinum card quest at lvl 40, I've done it on new accounts straight story to lvl 40 (maybe terra resonance quest, thats the only thing I do besides story).

[spice swift]

well i found my answer, there is another requirement, it is to advance main quest up to taking the boat (unless i got it earlier and did not see it).

thing is i done only a little bit of the story and this char is sitting in a corner crafting and getting exp from season hub - activity merits lol

[rich jungle]

Yeah actually makes sense, i've only ever done it on fresh accounts and just spammed story.

[untold depot]

is the grey one on the top side black?

ok i used the huggingface thingy and it said yes yay

[charred herald]

Yea

[gloomy umbra]

is this usable ? and if it is, is it better than the advanced fertilizer ?

[rich jungle]

yes and no, doesn't speed up the growth. (Current belief is that it stops it from pollinating during growth, (always regrows as it was planted even if surrounded by flowers).

[wide mason]

Ah thx i find it

[spice swift]

finally, last step of world conquest

[heady grotto]

first step

[sonic panther]

7/16 perfect flowers so far

[spice swift]

nope it is aabbccddEEff i just have to transfert to hydrangea which just takes time and zero luck.

[heady grotto]

you mean like this?

[spice swift]

yes the tulip i posted is aabbccddE_ff and i made sure it is aabbccddEEff so it is garantee to give after a few generation the correct hydrangea.

[burnt marsh]

This is a black hydrangea right?

[sonic panther]

ye

[gloomy umbra]

its marked as water, but i cant water it ?

[rich jungle]

visual/menu bug, it stays for a few hours after the watering phase ends if you failed to water in time.

[raw field]

16/16 perfect hydrangeas . . . now just gotta wait for max homestead level and hit 20/20

[sonic panther]

I'm close but I keep getting the same flowers it's like they refuse to alter

[pallid wigeon]

are any of these black?

i picked one up, they are not black

[mild imp]

black right?

anyone have the website?

[heady grotto]

scroll to the top Original Post

[rich jungle]

yes, and
https://huggingface.co/spaces/imdomatic/FlowerDetect (sorry for late reply, Thanksgiving)

[sonic panther]

having some issues with finishing my perfect flowrs @rich jungle two plots refuse to be anything but a certain one even when i recyle

they stay a consitent 1 or 2 hydrangra

no matter the parent no mater the plot they just rfuses to be anythign but and ive ecycled it mutiple times

and that parent has made perfects

they polinat again in 40 mins ill send a ss

[sonic panther]

it keeps makeing tehs ebut they never change over to 193's

so that A_ B_ do i just recycle theose two plots again or just let it keep going?

[rich jungle]

if you already have the perfect in the center, never recycle always replant

[sonic panther]

well they have been stuck like that for at least idk 5 6 cycles now thoese two particular plants meanwhile every other one i put with that parent flower turn perfect in like idk 2-3 cycles

so idk if its bugged or if its just unlucky

[rich jungle]

its always super rng

[night relic]

huge thanks to flowerdetect

[mild imp]

ggs

[gloomy umbra]

if i wanted to make all my flower the gold color one, should i kept the middle one and not harvest it ?
and even after all becomes all gold color should i kept the middle one ?

[rich jungle]

Like you know the center is the high sell price gold colored flower? Then yes. Eventually the child flowers will become like it (or might rarely become black flowers based on the hidden gene).

[charred herald]

Am I cooked here? Ik the Q4 is cooked but its my highest rn 😛

Perhaps I can move 3 from the Q4 to the center of other ones?

[ivory shoal]

is this black?

[rich jungle]

yes

[short cedar]

@rich jungle Mr. Great Lord of Gardens -

• Is this what I should want if I want to optimize for income?

Tagging the Great Goddess of Garden @low summit for the question too 🐣

[rich jungle]

depends on the sell price/shape of the flowers. If those are 193s then yes, or the 190s are about the same color.

[charred herald]

what is this shapeeee

[short cedar]

im experimenting bc i wont have the motivation to try things when I actually do get the 193 flower

[zenith niche]

I'm so tired. Is this black?

[rich jungle]

yes

[sonic panther]

8 cycles flower still green rarity

With perfect parent

My last five refuse to change

[rich jungle]

I mean its RNG but it shouldn't be that RNG. You aren't using the Sterilizing Fertilizer and they are all set up correctly and close enough to pollinate right?

[sonic panther]

What color is that fert

[rich jungle]

its crafted from culinary

[sonic panther]

No I'm just using the purple from house shop

Like I know it can make a child just these last few have refused

I'm going on weeks of the same seeds not flipping

[rich jungle]

are they all still the 106 pink hydrangeas?

[sonic panther]

They are still what I showed you last time yeah

[rich jungle]

i mean at this point just recycle the greens and start new seeds at least. maybe call an exorcist as the seeds are cursed. Send an image of the cross if you can (just to catch any silly mistakes)

[sonic panther]

It's the one space set up from middle parent cross wise

Others have changed they just wont

[rich jungle]

< 1 tile right and fully cardinal directions? And the center is your ideal different colored flower?

[sonic panther]

Y

It's why I asked if I should recycle them before something ain't right with these seeds or plots XD

I did a flip around tonight of where seeds were planted to try and remove this voodoo

[sonic panther]

after rotating plots they were in i finaly got this result

[radiant rampart]

Is there a written guide on the best way to maximize profit for homestead coins

[rich jungle]

the 2 images ^ and spreadsheet

[radiant rampart]

Ty

[weak lodge]

Dumb question, when you first start of on the Path of Black Flower. You just grow into 1 field has a black version? Then move it in the center , and just keep it there?

[weak lodge]

And how do you tell the different between black and purple base on model in field?

[weak lodge]

Ohh derp, its shown in the video above

[weak lodge]

Mmmm...white, pink, purple, purple?

[rose kestrel]

probably a stupid question that's already been answered many times, but if you have unharvested black flowers in the center, can you fertilize the outer flowers to speed up the process or does it affect the pollination?

[raw field]

using fertilizer is fine, yeah. manual pollination, no

(its funny because pollination is also fertilization)

[rich jungle]

yes, as long as the center is fully grown you can always use fertilizer. It is only if you are re-growing the center at the same time that you need the staggered growth.

[weak lodge]

So you just move the grey to the center and keep it there wbile farming the outsides? But, how would you know its gene unless you harvest it?

[rich jungle]

thats not a black, its a pale white. Make sure you go to camera -> settings -> Enable time freeze -> slide Day and Night to the middle for a fully daytime view.

Then you have to match the color by eye, or take a screenshot and submit it on this website:
https://huggingface.co/spaces/imdomatic/FlowerDetect

Or you can just submit the screenshots here if you think its a black flower and I'll eventually respond.

[weak lodge]

Ohhh is that how you change the lighting to see? Okies, thank you.

Oohh wow that makes it way easier to see

The color system thing

Thanks again, kind of color blind between grey - blue - purple

[weak lodge]

🤔 now just grow rose child and hope they becomes black?

[rich jungle]

you can grow tulips as they grow faster if you want. All the flowers can pollinate from other flowers. Also the flowerdetect its a little less accurate with roses and especially mobile, both due to lack of training images, I'm not 100% sure that it is black it seems a bit bright. Might just be because its a zoomed out image.

[weak lodge]

Okies, only growing them cause their prettier lol

[thick spear]

what's the use for the sterilizing fertilizer crafted from cooking?

are flowers still able to get color genes but not change their type?

[rich jungle]

Basically it grows back exactly as it was. So it will not pollinate off other flowers.
It also does not speed up the growth though, so it will not pollinate the surrounding flowers unless you do not fertilize them at all... (since they have to be in the pollination growth cycle at the same time or the parent fully grown).

it has no real practical use that makes it worth using, and is quite expensive to craft

[still sun]

hello

[thick spear]

basically it is worthless, thanks for the info, at least im not gonna waste mats on it

[torpid tusk]

Hello! This might not be the best place to ask this, but what are the best ways to get homestead coins?

[rich jungle]

@torpid tusk these 2 images or the video guide

[torpid tusk]

Thank you!

[weak lodge]

So, if you have a good recessive/recessive and you harvest it. You can use the sterile fertilizer to get it back to be used as an adult?

Think doing something right, the quality increase from green to blue or purple and the flowers are getting narrow down to couple types ^^'

For that char anyways, other one just a mess lol

[still sun]

holy 560k

[still sun]

omaaa

gaa

[timber kernel]

[weak lodge]

[weak lodge]

Ohh that pretty, there a blue tulip

Wonder if that better than yellow? This char. got basically stagnated on green, rece/dorm [ yellow]

[compact crypt]

I think so but ideally U want purples and eventually blacks

[dawn sedge]

But dont i need to harvest them?

[rich jungle]

You want to keep the first black flowers you get (don't harvest, leave them fully grown, and plant flowers around it to eventually make more black flowers) since they don't give seeds when harvested.

[dawn sedge]

So to get the archivement i just need to spread them with pollination?

Guess i can't do it with my friends shared homestead?

[compact crypt]

U need to have 4 black flowers at the centre I only have 2 ATM and no U can't

[storm fjord]

you can do it with friends. my friends got their achievements from breeding off my flowers

as long as they join the household with the black flowers they can plant their own around it and breed

[dawn sedge]

ah nice ok so i can actually do it. thats nice ^-^

how do i get flower seeds? Oo

[compact crypt]

And how exactly do you do that? Black flower seeds don't exist last I checked

[rich jungle]

you just leave the black flower in the middle, then have them plant around it. Might take a few growths but eventually their plants will become black and they can harvest them.

oh wait I think you are talking about smuggling, I haven't tried it much but I believe the strat should be just pick up your seeds when they are purple (and right shape if it matters) the last gene should be Dominant/recessive (can't be Dominant/Dominant because of black flower parent).

I don't think it wipes your inventory, and at least the furniture you buy should be returned to you so I imagine you keep the seeds.

I might try to get someone to test it for me, as I have 3 accounts which I can't test it on... a 4th would be annoying to level lmao

[compact crypt]

Well now I'm confused thx for the input anyways

[rich jungle]

maybe I double misread lmao. Basically if you just want black flowers for the achievement just join a friend and plant around their grown black flowers, eventually you get them and harvest them for the season achievement.
If you want black flowers in your own homestead (without doing the work to get them) that is what the 2nd part was about.

[compact crypt]

Ok got it but what if I don't have any friends

[rich jungle]

you get banished to the RNG mines

video type guide if you want it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbUWFAPctd8

[long copper]

Hello,following the guide here i've successfully managed to make a perfect 50k coin/day golden hydrangea farm.
After a week of harvest some are starting to turn black after each generation, how do i save my farm ? D':

[rich jungle]

Are they all next to each other? You need a gap to stop them from pollinating unless you control it to let the dominant last genes win.

Heres the example of my field, they need to be more than 1.5 tiles away from each other (in all directions) to make sure they don't pollinate each other.

Its a side effect of creating the parent flowers from black flowers, so its best to keep them spread, or put them together and just keep growing the same flowers to replace the ones which turn black (eventually the purple rarities will win).

[long copper]

I did switch to 1 box gaps lately to minimize walking when watering so this must be it

[finite sky]

How to get all types of flowers? Or is it that once you have black ones, keep them forever?

[rich jungle]

All types in what way? Roses/Hydrangeas are unlocked by homestead levels. For colors you can get any color eventually by just planting around black flowers. For each of the 4 shapes achievement you can just plant a bunch, then harvest and sell the seeds and replant until you get all 4 shapes achievement.

[jaunty karma]

Guys, I keep ending up with all flowers in the cross becoming the same color (mostly the blue visual one - purple rarity).. Is there a way to prevent that or should I just discard all and start over?

[rich jungle]

Yes when they all become the same color you need to make sure that you harvest them all, sell the seeds and buy fresh seeds. Keeping any can just lead to the same outcome since the last gene is very likely double dominant.

[jaunty karma]

Finally a black flower! tysm @rich jungle for the help

[open spade]

Ty for the thourough guide!

[sudden breach]

nice'

[hoary cosmos]

late starter, but I finally got some black flowers yesterday so I'm looking to transition into sell price maximizing

today I had a color 12 DR tulip turn into a black flower on the next growth. I don't have much of a recorded harvest history, but this is what I have so far:

I assume the play is to move the new black flower that's potentially 16 DR into the top center, since the current top center is most likely 16 DD?
(the 1 DD is an extra plot I moved in as I moved my new black flower out of its spot in the bottom cross, so no prior parentage)

[rich jungle]

Yes, if you are sure the top black is DD its worth trying the D(possibly R).
I assume you know the bottom center is a DR, which if it is and your notes were correct it should be a guaranteed DR black.
If you don't know that the bottom center flower is DR (black flower or not harvested) then it could still be a DD even if your notes are correct.

[weak lodge]

Ohh we're not supposed to have a crosses of 1 color?

Cause 3 of my crosses are all purple with r/d mostly on 1 char and the other mostly blue with r/d and r/r

Only have 3 cross currently*

Lolol i did something wrong indeed

[ebon ruin]

just wanted to drop by and say thank you for the guide! I completed this achievement pretty easily (i was too shy to say anything earlier)

[weak lodge]

Crap

I harvest it without knowing it was black even though i check it T-T

[rich jungle]

as long as you leave the center/regrow the center first it should make another eventually.

[weak lodge]

Okies dokies, im glad i didmt clear the fields completely then lol to restart

Cause that was what i was plan on doing after checking the flower via flower checker thing. Stop immediate when harvest that, lucky have alot of spare rece/rece, and rece/dom purple still up flowers

Still confused though, am i supposed to have alot of 1 color as long as its rece/rece or rece/dom?

[forest pagoda]

can this work if you have black tulips in the middle and you have say, roses on the outside? i.e., can tulips cross-pollinate roses?

[rich jungle]

yes

[forest pagoda]

wonderful, thanks

[ionic trail]

hello want to ask, I have 2 distinct color of purple rarity flower which become the center of the two different crosses atm. I am planning to switch the center once the females becomes purple as well(most likely the same as the center). is it a good idea if I switch the center once it happens (purple type 1 surrounded by purple type 2 and purple type 2 surrounded by purple type 1) to boost the chance of getting black flowers?

the reason why i dont put those two in the same cross is I am afraid that i will lose the recessive genes of the flower that become female and have to restart from 0. that's why I decide to make a back up flowers.

[rich jungle]

process starts at 8:06. Basically swap the centers for 1 round, all the surrounding become blue rarity flowers, swap one of the blue rarities to the center, and given time they should produce a black flower.
https://youtu.be/QBWSTHAvS0g?si=Ar2qpvq45wJDuGvi&t=486

[ionic trail]

so the blue flowers will be something like ccddEeFf?

[rich jungle]

yeah which will eventually produce a black flower

[ionic trail]

therefore, it could produce black

nice

thank you

[ionic trail]

what will happen if I fertilize a flower whose growth phase is less than 3 hours?, will it skip pollination phase? or pollination still occurs?

[rich jungle]

it skips but still attempts pollination if anything is fully grown or in its pollination stage around it. (also if tulips fertilizer and watering only removes an hour each, so I assume you might be talking about roses/hydrangeas).

[ionic trail]

thanks again doma

[ionic trail]

are those in point 2 blue rarity?

[ionic trail]

i think for light blue and dark blue (purple rarity), there is a possibility that it wont make black flower

most likely if the color in the same cross are all the same, wont produce black flower, that's why doma suggest to "downgrade flower" so we could get the recessive alel

anyway, I just got my first black flower. appreciate your advice

[ionic trail]

tbh i am not sure we are at the same page, I believe you dont trust the genotype stuffs do you?

actually i got my first black rose by breeding yellow orange with yellow orange

i cross breed yellow orange and pale white, but i think it doesnt matter anymore since I already got my black flower. now my goal is to get aabb genotype

[rich jungle]

if you have 2 full fields of purple rarity flowers, at that point 95+% chance swapping centers (and leaving them like that) does nothing. They are likely both Dominant/Dominant last gene. You can fix that by doing the strategy I linked a bit earlier. But pointlessly swapping centers is always a losing strategy, the last gene on a flower is what determines if it is possible to make a black flower or not which by the time you get a full cross, you are already likely to have gotten a black flower if it is possible for that center.

[ionic trail]

hello want to ask, i have 1 black flower, to make the most of it, i plan 2 make crosses(or even more), and then use fertilizer to the flower on the side of the first cross, then move the black flower to the center of the second cross, and then fertilize the other flowers on that cross. could it work?

[ionic trail]

nah, so let the middle of the cross on the second and third cross empty, when its like 3 hrs before harvest time, we harvest each cross 1 by 1

first, put the black flower in the center of the first cross, then fertilize every other flower in that cross. then harvest and replant.
then move the black flower in the center of the second cross, and do the same thing

so that eventho i only have 1 black flower, I can put it on 3 crosses

but yeah kinda risky 🤣, advance gardening i suppose

you dont wanna miss the train

yeah, must keep track of the timing, cant just leave until everything has grown

[rich jungle]

yes should work btw

[ionic trail]

i just reached lvl 4 homestead here in SEA server, my friends asking help for black flowers, so yeah i think that is the best idea to help as many people as possible

[ionic trail]

thanks

[ionic trail]

wanna hear some advance advice from u, what is the best trick that you found from gardening?

[rich jungle]

perhaps weirdest trick? technically the 1-1.5 tile radius for pollination can work vertically as well allowing technically 6 plants to pollinate from the same flower, haven't actually used it though

[ionic trail]

only vertically?

[rich jungle]

no, the 4 surrounding like normal then 2 vertical 1 above and 1 below

[ionic trail]

yeah this is what i meant by only vertically, the extra

[ionic trail]

but, wouldnt it be quiet gambling if everything grows together, who will provide the alel to the farthest flower? the center or the one next to it?

[rich jungle]

I think if arranged correctly the closest would be the the center for all 6

[ionic trail]

so something like hexagon?

[rich jungle]

yeah, and can't do 8 or they wouldn't pollinate.
Also this is all mostly theoretical because I have seen it work before but never bothered making space ships out of my flowers

definitely can't do 8, max 6

no, the corners/sides would pollinate off each other and the center would do nothing

[ionic trail]

i think there is something that i am missing

wanna ask, what happens if there are two different flowers next to each other while they are on pollination phase? lets say one is all dominant and the other all recessive, would the two of them becomes the carrier of the recessive?

[rich jungle]

yeah both pollinate each other

[ionic trail]

so the reason why we do cross is because the closest flower to the corner flower will always be the center by pythagorean theorem. therefore the left flower doesnt pollinate the top flower and bottom flower because center flower are closer to those two. am i correct?

[rich jungle]

yeah

[ionic trail]

thanks doma for sharing, really appreciate it

[ionic trail]

hello @rich jungle . i wanna ask again, what would happen if we move a flower during its pollination phase? lets say first it was next to flower A, then moved to next to flower B, which flower will pollinate it?

[rich jungle]

Not 100% sure to be honest only ever done it a few times with very similar center flowers.

So it was too hard to tell which was the parent

[ionic trail]

okay no worries, thank for the response ☺️

[hoary cosmos]

hi, so I'm pretty sure I managed to progress from my initial A_B_ black tulip to what I believe is an AAbb black tulip, since I never see an aa__-shaped flower in that cross and most of the child black flowers are A_bb-shaped. what's my best approach going forward to achieve a fully recessive black flower? I managed to get a aabbccD_E_F_ tulip independently in a separate cross, hoping to ping-pong the children into something more workable, but thinking on it some more that's maybe not productive.

should I just be planting RNG store seeds in the black tulip cross and take the first A_bb purple rarity that appears on the first generation to be a new parent in hopes that it's Aabb? in general I'm a bit confused when I should be replanting a given child plot vs cutting my losses and replant fresh store seeds. I'm assuming it's only 1-2 generations since I'm after a very specific store RNG parent at this point.

[rich jungle]

Its a very rough rng game with a AAbb black. its probably worth getting at least a random blue or purple rarity aabb do this by prioritizing the recessive aa/bb for the center flower over rarity. Then when you get one you can pollinate from the black flower once. This will create a Aabb ccddEeFf for example which you will have to test any black flowers, but they will likely carry at least 1 recessive a which will allow a purple rarity aabb made from it to produce a perfect black flower (always make sure you keep track of shape before it turns black to confirm aabb).

if you had a blue like in the example Aabb ccddEeFf, if you get a purple rarity aabb then you can try getting a black flower from it, if it never comes then pollinate it once off the AAbb black and it will revert the aa to Aa, but make it possible to make a black flower which will be much faster as you now only need 2 genes vs 3.

Get as far as you can with that aabb ccD_E_F_ as you can though as if that can produce blue/purples it will be really good for this.

[hoary cosmos]

Thank you for the approach! It looks like the aabbccD_E_F_ is aabbccDdEEFF based on what I've been harvesting, so I'll shoot for a aabbccddE_F_ and try what you outlined here. I also just unlocked a 3rd cross and I just got two child black flowers in 2 generations (Wild->7DR->16 and Wild->13DR->16), so I'm assuming I should probably replace my current black flower parent with one and use the other for my 3rd cross, on the... 1/8 chance? for each that they're Aabb.

edit: or would it be 1/4 each? 1/4*0+2/4*1/2*1/2+1/4*1*1/2 = .25

[rich jungle]

Yeah, its quite rare for them to turn black so quick with the shape correct so I normally don't recommend that route, but yes as long as you are sure they were bb before turning black and the center is for sure bb (and not just extremely lucky recently with Bb).

[hoary cosmos]

I've had the original parent for quite some time at this point, so I'm fairly confident it's bb

[rich jungle]

starts off as Aa with 50% chance to keep it. (can ignore the parent flower since its AA). so 25% after 2 generations.

[hoary cosmos]

I just yoinked the old parent and it was bb, now I just have to hope I did keep my records straight 😅

[hoary cosmos]

oh are storeboughts always AaBbCcDdEeFf? I assumed they were random. I think it arrives at the same chance here either way, but it'd probably be good to know

[rich jungle]

yeah always AaBb CcDdEeFf thats why they always appear as red if you plant them away from each other (no pollination)

[hoary cosmos]

ohh I never thought about that but that makes sense

thanks!

[hoary cosmos]

update: it looks like one of the two new black tulips is at minimum AaBb since it gave me both A_bb and aaB_ children on the first round of harvesting. I think I didn't mess up my record keeping, in which case it is Aabb. jury's still out on the second one since it gave me four A_bb children.
the third plot also yielded me a aabbccddE_F_ tulip! but I assume with a Aabb black tulip, I'm probably better off transplanting a black tulip child that came from a A_bb predecessor to see if I managed to make another Aabb black tulip over trying to breed up the E_F_ (assuming I find one before I hit a aabb purple rarity from the known good black tulip, that takes precedence over everything, I expect)

[rich jungle]

go for a purple rarity aabb from the Aabb black flower, this will 100% be able to produce a black aabb flower since it pollinated from a black flower (last gene is Xx). Then just keep track of the flowers and any that goes aabb before turning black should be a guaranteed full recessive.

[hoary cosmos]

yeah I ended up hitting a 14RR so I swapped that into my third plot. if I hit another purple RR off the Aabb black tulip I assume I should switch it in over my A_bb black flower cross too (looking like 16AAbb anyways since it's yielded 8 DR-shaped tulips in a row...)

oh also, I hit a 16RR in the same harvest, but since it wasn't verifiable I don't feel too bad about it, just a bit silly

[ionic trail]

I have one 12RR center flower that could produce black. surrounded by two 12RR and one 12RD. guess which one turns black first? i understand how you feel 🤣

sorry cant give advice, but i think what i did might helps u
so i had Aabb black flower, and i gamble by putting two of my 12RR that couldnt produce black so it could produce black. fortunately, those two flowers remains 12RR which means it carries the recessive genes to produce black. I put one of them as the center of the cross. Unfortunately, its been 3 generation and its still 12RR (unlucky), annoyingly another 12RD flower turns black first and none of my 12RR turns black. feels like the flower is trying to tell me that i am super unlucky

at least I learned a lesson, that it is super hard to distinguish the flower that could and couldnt produce black flower

[hoary cosmos]

got one!

I'll move it to the center and work on making a couple more before moving on; I think next on my docket is the rose color and shape achievements

I know I'll get everything eventually by continuously replanting around 16RRs, but as a mostly pointless thought experiment I wonder what a fairly optimal approach would be

I believe storebought + 16RRs means every color is equally likely, so I'm thinking maybe plant storeboughts around 16RRs and sell the first generations repeatedly until I get all the blue rarities done, after which I can hedge toward any remaining purple rarity+black more by replanting, and hedge toward any remaining greens by doing a storebought-only cross

[rich jungle]

a last purple is usually the one that holds out the longest. Just let them keep going until they have recessive of the last genes you need basically.
So for instance if you need ccddeeF_ you would just sell any seeds with ff regardless of rarity

[hoary cosmos]

gotcha, ty for the info

[hoary cosmos]

hopefully close to final-ish question from me: since I've been dealing with tulips till now, what are the specifics of the re-watering mechanic? based on the wording/timing leniency of the middle hydrangea watering in doma's homestead coin video, I'm assuming there's a little more to it than a flat cooldown since last watering.

[rich jungle]

I mean you will just breed your hydrangeas around the fully grown maxed tulip. No need for special watering and regrowing etc. you can water and use purple rarity fertilizer + re-water them.
Hydrangeas can be re-watered roughly 7-11 hours after planting, then again at ~12 hours after planting if watered in the first extra water cycle (if not it gets delayed several hours).
Then when you have the 193 hydrangea you just move them out and separate them (to avoid recessive/recessive last gene accidentally making black flowers) and can water + purple fertilizer + double re-water.

[ionic trail]

do you have the watering schedule for all flower?

[stark shadow]

is the integer next to color name on FlowerDetect the certainty of the detection?

[rich jungle]

Yeah, confidence level.

[weak lodge]

That a black tulip to the right, right? >.<

I check with the detect flower thing 2 time just in case [.94 black]

[rich jungle]

yeah the left of the right cross.

[weak lodge]

Oh nice!, does S2 reset or change the current aichievement like 10 black flowers?

[rich jungle]

As far as I know, no flower seasonal achievements. So getting the max price hydrangeas will be the main thing next season which will be easier.

[weak lodge]

[weak lodge]

Only 3 days left until s2

[jaunty karma]

https://tenor.com/view/的9-gif-11149241638748610079

[weak lodge]

Thank you allll esp Doma for assisting

[weak lodge]

I can switch to hydragenes now? Keep the purple rarity, r/r 53 as the adult, and cycle out the bottom, right, top with hydragenes?

Do you keep the black tulip [in each cross on the left] with hydragenes too?

[rich jungle]

Yes if you have the whitish green purple quality tulip (see image) then you just put it in the center and plant fresh hydrangeas around it until you get the 193 hydrangea. Then move them out and keep them separated (or they might turn black).

If you have that tulip you don't necessarily need the black flowers, but i would keep them around a bit to be safe and just replace them near the end.

[pallid wigeon]

this means black?

silver?

[rich jungle]

yeah, its the new "Black" term

[forest pagoda]

do yall reckon if these are black hydrangea?

[plain grove]

cant you see the color now in the interface

"Silver Gray" ?

[forest pagoda]

no, coz im still in s1

[plain grove]

o rip then use this 🙂 https://huggingface.co/spaces/imdomatic/FlowerDetect

[solemn kayak]

@rich jungle is this a perfected hydrangea?

[rich jungle]

yeah

[solemn kayak]

i dont know what s-curved/straight and these colors supposed to mean 😂

[rich jungle]

L/Straight is dominant/dominant

[solemn kayak]

🤔

cant i just buy unlimited amounts of these and make unlimited homestead coins?

[rich jungle]

no, you can only place 20

[solemn kayak]

whats the point of having these purchaseable then lol

im already lvl 8

i have 20 fields

[sudden breach]

Cant your roommates place more fields?

[solemn kayak]

i dont even use black flowers anymore lol

[weak lodge]

That weird, have a 193 hydra s-curved, but the seed unpollinated says L straight

[rich jungle]

pollen is manual pollination, it doesn't show area pollination

[weak lodge]

Ohh

[storm shoal]

Is the flowers on the right and left are Black Flower?

How oabout this angle

Noted

Turns out it isn't

Noted

[weak lodge]

Really like the new function that says the color and type

Just by hover over the fields, it really speed up the process. When you harvest, replant, then isolate if it has potential

Now, you dont need to harvest, replant, isolate. Just need to check and move it

Yeah, silver blue

[arctic peak]

Guys anyone can tell me how to get RR purple tulip flower no.13 that cost 53 coint (193 on hydragenes)?

I’ve tried by making my green RR flower as center. And finally got no.8 RR blue and place it to the center. But in several generation I always failed to produce purple.

Whats the problem

[arctic peak]

Yesss anyone have tutorial how to get the first this flower😭

[rich jungle]

are you on global? If so, I'm working on the guide for it now. but you can visit my homestead (#36888) and gather pollen from my 2 bottom left fields. Then you just have to manually pollinate (maybe a few times) and you should be able to create one pretty easily.

[arctic peak]

Im at sea right now

This is my condition right now. After several generation of fails I decided to take out my RR flowers and want to search information first 😩

[rich jungle]

umm, its quite rough, there is a lot of odds and you kind of have to react directly to what happens. I think generally it might be best to take your RR 8 and put it in the center of a cross for 1 generation at a time. You are looking for a RR, green (non red) or blue quality (this will likely be the same color as your RR 8). If no RR then you recycle all the seeds and start again.

If you get an RR green/blue quality then you can put it in another cross and see if you get different genes (non RR 2/5/8)

[arctic peak]

As I know, all green flower number 1 (bad) and 4 (cant produce 13) should be destroyed and only keep 2,3 and 5.

Am I right? Or this was a miss logic?

[rich jungle]

Well you can also push it to RR 16 (black) which you can then create any flower (RR 13) from eventually

Basically in the 1 generation breeding with RR8, any flower with RR is guaranteed to be able to produce aabb ccD_E_ff . But this effectively gambles to possibly create Dd or Ee. Which will allow progression.

[arctic peak]

“If no RR then you recycle all the seeds and starts again.”

^this means recycle for only outer flower or all including the center (RR 8) one?

[rich jungle]

only outer, basically you just keep rerolling the outside seeds to get decent starter

[arctic peak]

I see

[solemn kayak]

Is it normal for a flower to get “stuck” with unchanging genes? I got a near perfect (190g) that been stuck like this forever

[rich jungle]

stuck in what way? Like what are you pollinating off of onto what

[solemn kayak]

I’m pollinating off of a 193 flower

Trying to change the yellow gene to a mandarin gene

[rich jungle]

you aren't using sterilizing fertilizer are you?

[solemn kayak]

No?

I’m using the one from the flower shop

Advanced fert

[arctic peak]

I see so I need to keep rerolling the outside seeds if it was not an RR flowers? And hope the RR turns blue?

if I got RR no 8 again from rerolling outside seed, is that mean I fail and should reroll again?

[rich jungle]

The 193 is likely just Ee thus 50% chance it passes the "e" keeping it ee. It also has to be hitting the 50% to keep the F gene, so thats quite wild if it is staying like that for several generations.

its just as likely to go black at that point

[arctic peak]

Whats the different of EE and Ee?

[rich jungle]

no, put the RR 2, RR5, RR8 in the center of another cross and pay attention to the flowers it produces, any other colors than 1, 2, 5, 8 is a good sign it means Dd or Ee.

EE = all child flowers will always be E_ (Dominant appearance). Ee = 50% chance to pass "e" to child flower, which given time can produce an ee (recessive)

[arctic peak]

I see. Thankyou Doma, I will try that

[rich jungle]

slight fix to colors since you will likely get DR DD RD etc.

[arctic peak]

So Ee flower still can make other flower to turns to ee ? I just know that :DDD

[arctic peak]

If I got DR 3 or RD 4 should I reroll them? Which should I prioritize first: getting color number 3or4, or getting the RR first?

Sorry bad english

[rich jungle]

For the cross you make with the RR2/5/8 from the RR8. You keep replanting. You are looking for different colors as a sign, but prioritize RR first.

Basically if no new colors after a while, it might not be capable.

So keep the RR8 cross producing RR2/5/8 for if the 2nd cross only produces 2/5/8

[arctic peak]

I see I will try it. Thanks doma✨

[bleak gyro]

is manual pollinating flowers better than auto pollinate?

[solemn kayak]

you cant manual polinate if you own the homestead. manual is only for your roommates

[bleak gyro]

yeah i'm a roommate in the homestead i'm in lol

and oh i see

can i manual pollinate my own flowers though

[solemn kayak]

yea

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-5834484041415217257

[bleak gyro]

nice

[woven sparrow]

halo, i want to ask, i saw a video but it was not very clear and i have tried many things but i am still confused, how can i get s-curved mandarin hydrangea? does it have to start from black flowers first and then be crossed until the flower appears? i do not really understand the aabbcc part so i am confused

[rich jungle]

if you are on global, you can visit my homestead #36888 and gather pollen from the 2 bottom left tulip fields. Then manually pollinate until you get a Fresh Green S-Curved. Then you can pollinate hydrangeas from that to get Mandarin S-Curved.

[rich jungle]

EZ season 2 (Global) max hydrangea guide
https://youtu.be/1DpHK5umt0A

[dusk gull]

question when i applied pollen and failed to get the frssh green, is it better to try again with that same seed, or try my luck in a completly new one

and tysm for that vid!

[rich jungle]

Replant and try manually pollinating it again. It will progress closer and closer every time you pollinate it. Also keep it away from other flowers in case you miss a manual pollination (if surrounded by grown or same growth time flowers).

[dusk gull]

understood, thanks again!

[woven sparrow]

thankyouu so much! is it better if i make tulips with crosses and then pollinate them? or make one plot with wide spacing?

[woven sparrow]

or for example, if i use the cross one, then in pollinate mode, if i separate it from the cross, does it affect anything or not?

[rich jungle]

For trying to get the first Fresh Green S-Curved, doesn't really matter as long as you manually pollinate the nearby ones as well.
In that scenario after manual pollination once, then forgetting the next round, you are just as likely to make progress as you are to lose it (and even more likely to remain the same).

[woven sparrow]

got it! thankyouuu

[dusk gull]

since L is dominant, does that mean that i will never get S from that seed? or thats not how it works?

[rich jungle]

as long as you keep pollinating it with the S-Curved pollen, it eventually will become S-Curved

[dusk gull]

ty!

[rich jungle]

just basically every cycle it rolls 50% chance to keep L-Curved and 50% chance to convert to S-Curved

[rich jungle]

Added another alt to my homestead, will take a few generations but should be able to add a new field of 20 max hydrangea (tulip form) over the next day or 2.

#36888

[arctic peak]

wait is this Season 2 update? SEA doesnt have this😭

[dusk gull]

yes s2.

[solemn kayak]

trial and error that shit for season 1 lmao

[bleak gyro]

@rich jungle i know you said you can accidently get black flowers from a tulip from auto pollination but what if i just use your pollen on my tulips multiple times everyday for like a week straight from the bottom left tulips only that are perfect? will the genes in my seeds and flowers or whatever be perfect by then too being perfect parents?

i'm only using the bottom left tulip pollen which is perfect

and i've been using it nonstop on my tulips, so does that mean after about a week i could skip the whole check of auto pollination of making sure they dont produce black flowers and go straight to hydrangea?

since i'm online like 18 hours a day i can easily gather the pollen needed to do this so i wonder if i'll end up with perfect genes by doing this manual pollination from your perfect polllen enough times

[rich jungle]

i mean you dont need a week straight, the chances is 50% per generation to become double dominant last gene. So after several applications it should be down to single digits or lower chances at being able to produce a black flower

[bleak gyro]

ohhh nice

but by then a week straight it would be perfect anyways?

also how does the seed work with flowers? is the final flower result being seed and pollen mixed together to decide the final flower?

i know seed is dependant on the final flower result

so its the previous flower result x current pollen?

[rich jungle]

yes, basically my pollen for last gene is EE (E is dominant, e is recessive). So the seed starts as Ee. Breeding can produce EE, eE, EE, Ee, thus 50% chance it removes the recessive e gene. Then once its gone its gone for good as long as you apply EE pollen

[bleak gyro]

i see, nice

i'm getting close anyways to at least the genes needed cause i'm getting tulip fresh green s-straight or l-curve already, just need it to be s-curve and then use perfect pollen on it for awhile more after that to remove any recessive genes on it and have it be full dominant genes

and then its ready for breeding i guess

[bleak gyro]

does that mean afterwards the seeds will be EE forever too even if you dont apply pollen to your own seeds?

ik you grow your flowers together on bottom left

so that seems to be the case since theyre never any different color

[rich jungle]

yeah, if left alone the seeds regrow exactly as the flower was. but the bottom left is all EE so when breeding they just trade E genes to each other ending up with always EE

[bleak gyro]

ok nice nice

[bleak gyro]

@rich jungle its difficult to get the right shape. My tulips are the right color but i havent gotten an s-curve shape yet.

all are l-curve or l-straight now

but i'll continue planting and manual pollinate all

[bleak gyro]

how difficult is it to get double dominant gene to color lock?

i want double dominant gene

for perfect flowers

that way i can help people get pollen too

[rich jungle]

Its not that hard, you just need to keep breeding them off the center flower (so long as the center flower doesn't produce black flowers) they will eventually be guaranteed to be double dominant last gene. Then you can place them next to each other and harvest/replant for pollen

[bleak gyro]

did it take a week for the tulips?

[left sentinel]

how is that possible

[bleak gyro]

it will go s-curved the next time it changes probably

[rich jungle]

Shouldn't be possible, maybe a ui bug...

[ionic trail]

that flower is unfaithful

[olive atlas]

whys there 3000 messages in here

its a solved mechanic

are we just chillin in here or wha

[sleek sluice]

So Doma is the only one that have perfect flowers here? I hope there is a few more ppl sharing his pollen to make Doma work easier since he is helping us a lot

[rich jungle]

There are some that post in #homestead, but mostly only post their hydrangea pollen. My homestead has started easing off now, and i've woken up to pollen on some flowers a few days. So its still busy, but getting better.

[bleak gyro]

is it faster to self pollinate manually or auto pollinate

guessing its the same

[bleak gyro]

@rich jungle am i doing my flowers right? i did accidently get a black hydrangea so i moved that one to the separate cross where it auto pollinates other flowers, the rest of my hydrangea are still all on top near each other hoping they'll trade those good genes with each other so i can color lock my hydrangea

[rich jungle]

what did you have? A fresh green tulip? Or did you have your mandarin S-Curved hydrangeas together?

[bleak gyro]

mandarin s-curved hydrangea together

[rich jungle]

oh yeah, a few black flowers might pop out, but the dominant last gene should win over time.

[bleak gyro]

did that happen with your flowers too?

how long will it take to stop getting random black flowers

[rich jungle]

Probably after about 5 generations. Although you will want to be careful adding new ones to it at that point. Instead take one fully grown, leave it in the center and pollinate new Mandarin S-Curved hydrangeas off of that for at least 2 generations before introducing them to the group.

That strategy is probably the most ideal in the first place, before bunching them together.

[bleak gyro]

oki

ty

[rich jungle]

Also essentially lets you confirm that the center is Double dominant if it never produces black/other purple rarity colored flowers.

[bleak gyro]

what are other purple rarity flowers

[bleak gyro]

i know i get random chestnut s-curved or like some random blueish s-curved sometimes

when producing a new flower

but it eventually goes mandarin s-curved

[rich jungle]

yeah probably Chestnut, Pine Green, and Kikyo purple. Those were the 3 I got when growing my last hydrangeas from scratch for s2 since my alt stole some of the fields.

Basically when they become Mandarin S-curved just leave them there for at least 2-3 generations and they should be much less likely to bring recessive genes to the group, and thus much less likely to accidentally create black flowers in the group.

[solemn kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/feels-good-good-money-satisfied-cash-gif-2430012762239283554

[sleek sluice]

Lucky :c im still trying

Idk if im doing something wrong tbh its been 3 days trying to get just 1

[sleek sluice]

So eventually if i keep use pollen in this they should be S Curved? or im doing something wrong?

Its been like 10 times already and nothing :c

[rich jungle]

I have had like ~2 people message me stuff like this:
Which should be impossible, they also generally have their Fresh Greens going to L-Straight over time despite using S-Curved pollen.
So something weird either in the UI or its pollinating by proximity with some non-nearby flower for some reason.
I would test myself but all my pollen gets taken by most people who seem to not have any issues.

[magic storm]

Actually, I wouldn't be relying on the pollen donor. I would be relying on just patience. Pollen donors increase the probability of the same flower. That is all.

Here's what happened to me:

1. Planted flowers
2. Pollinated using the highest ranking flower color and type
3. Found a Legendary Flower (Tulip, L-Curved)
4. Utilized Legendary Flower for Pollination
5. Got higher ranking flower type (Tulip, S-Curved)
6. Walla

[rich jungle]

the pollen is the ideal flower, the idea is you use the pollen to reproduce the same flower.

(for yourself)

[magic storm]

Here are some things that may help:

1. Have you made sure the tiles are cross-shaped, and the compound shape is at least two squares away from each other?
2. Have you made sure to reset your tiles if you receive the same color and type?
3. Please be patient. You will get it soon.

[sleek sluice]

Ok i will keep trying i hope i get it soon

Let me just try to put them more away just in case

Lets hope it works this time if not i will keep trying anyway

[magic storm]

Plant more flowers.

Note the ones that you can sell for more profit.

Pollen off of the highest value flowers

[sleek sluice]

Yes im using all 20 field and trying to get at least one but nothing again i guess i will keep trying tomorrow

[sleek sluice]

Still nothing idk if there is something wrong with my plants lol using the pollen 20 times each pollination state and still dont get a single one idk its just weird

[solemn kayak]

might need to start from a new seed

start over 😔

[sleek sluice]

You think that would be a solution?

You got yours in first try?

[solemn kayak]

lol no

took several generations

and i did it the old fashioned way

[sleek sluice]

So you did start from a new seed sometimes?

How?

[solemn kayak]

wym how?

you get a black tulip and you surround it with hydrangeas

if one of the hydrangeas manage to get recessive genes for shape and height then i separate it and make it the new center of a different cross

[sleek sluice]

You use a black tulip to get the perfect flowers?

[solemn kayak]

yes

much faster

but more random tho

eventually itll perfect

[sleek sluice]

so you mean i should use 4 black tulip to generate the fresh green s curved and after getting 4 just start with hydrangea

[solemn kayak]

as long as you keep replacing center with highest value flower

[sleek sluice]

What are highest value flower in game now?

I only know fresh green for tulip and the mandarine

[solemn kayak]

193 mandarin s-curve hydrangea

[sleek sluice]

for hydrangea

[solemn kayak]

i dont know much about roses. they seem like a waste of time

[sleek sluice]

Hmm im trying with tulip since its faster to grow

but nothing yet

[solemn kayak]

🤔

yeah i never used perfected tulips for my perfected hydrangeas

i had black tulips on hand so thats what i used

[sleek sluice]

i see let me try using the cross again and use pollen in the flowers to see what happen

But you use any black tulip or you need a specific type?

[solemn kayak]

oh i did this back in season 1...i hoped it was double recessive but i wouldnt know lmao

since i cant just look at it and know like in season 2

[sleek sluice]

Well i will keep trying i hope i can get 4 fresh green s curved to make perfect hydrangea farming easier

I will use black tulip in the center and use pollen too

Hope it work better like you say

[astral sparrow]

i found a site where you can upload a print of your flowers and the IA can help in identify if the flower is black or not, its not 100% but help me a lot, can i put the link of this site here?

[solemn kayak]

Bro the guy who made this guide made that tool lol

https://huggingface.co/spaces/imdomatic/FlowerDetect

This right?

[astral sparrow]

ah yes... man im blind... sorry

[sleek sluice]

We don’t need that tool anymore lol

[solemn kayak]

They might be in season 1 still

SEA server and all that

[sleek sluice]

I need more pollen its hard to gather just from 1 person when there is ppl camping the flowers :c

[solemn kayak]

Hmm

[magic storm]

If it looks a bit blue, but a bit gray, then it is a black flower

[sleek sluice]

Ok this is so weird i keep getting Fresh green but all of them are L Straight

Does that mean i need to restart everything or just keep trying?

I dont get it

[magic storm]

Use the recycle tool, if you are using different seeds and they are getting bugged

[sleek sluice]

So should i recycle all of them?

[magic storm]

Probably. Wait until they grow up first, then harvest.

After that, replant and recycle

[sleek sluice]

I see i hope its bugged and it get fixed when i recycle them

[sleek sluice]

Still the same thing

[magic storm]

I would @rich jungle

[rich jungle]

I'm aware, not sure whats causing it, and the 2-3 people who have messaged me always have locked down homesteads so I can't even see if theres a weird commonality

for most people it seems fine, just very rare for a few people they get stuck at Fresh Green L-Straight

@sleek sluice are your flowers bunched up or spread apart (2+tiles)

[sleek sluice]

Indeed, I did spread them apart, except for a few, as suggested by someone here earlier.

[sleek sluice]

How do I open my house for you to be able to check my flowers?

[rich jungle]

Owner has to go into access settings -> Homestead access permissions to all/friends.

[naive hill]

I'm one of the ones having the same issue (L-Straight after many generations) I replanted, picked the plots up and moved them, and made them 3 grid tiles apart, and I started pollinating flowers with different genes (some were L-Curved, S-Straight, L-Straight and all different colors to start) over generations they are turning Fresh Green but the actual L S and Straight and Curved aren't changing this time

I'm lost. If it helps, I'm not the homeowner, and when I plant in cross normally I do get different genes and such so might try to create one the old fashioned way

[sleek sluice]

Ok Doma is already open in case that you see something wrong please let me know I have the same nickname in game

[naive hill]

Are you the homeowner of yours? @sleek sluice

[sleek sluice]

Yes I been trying a lot of way too and I’m trying the old fashioned way now I hope it work I’m tired of not doing any coins now

[sleek sluice]

Yes I am

[sleek sluice]

Don’t worry i don’t think it’s something related to the homeowner I guess we are doing something wrong or it’s just a game bug or something like that

[naive hill]

I think so too

[sleek sluice]

Let’s see what Doma says when he check my homestead

[naive hill]

My last non-fresh green turned fresh green this generation ^-^ but none of the L S Straight or Curved has changed on any of the flowers this set

[rich jungle]

Nothing immediately noticeable. I have a few far off theories, but nothing concrete, and would be hard to test. Especially when all my pollen gets taken I can't even really try it on my alt account.

ill try taking some pollen next growth and see how it is on my other homestead account

[sleek sluice]

Sounds good please let us know

[rich jungle]

First growth, 2 which were S-Curved tulips (random green/blue rarity) remained their same color and S-Curved. (~25% chance)
4 fresh seeds became random green/blues but all are L-Straight. (possible but not very probable).

[sleek sluice]

So it’s all about keep trying?

[rich jungle]

No, if anything that leads to evidence that the pollen isn't working as intended, but need to do more testing and see if it can be worked around.

[sleek sluice]

Ok i will keep checking your reports i guess there is something wrong with pollens now

[rich jungle]

I would say if anything, try farming random flowers for a bit, and look for a natural S-Curved. Then try applying pollen to that. If there is a work around this is likely it.

[sleek sluice]

Ok I will keep trying I hope I can get my perfect flower soon

[rich jungle]

or try getting a roommate to do it as well

[rich jungle]

Yeah another growth, all original fresh seeds are still L-Straight (statistical near impossibility).
Both my S-Curved are still S-Curved, and one went Fresh Green.

seems like whatever this bug is, basically doesn't apply the shape genes

[sleek sluice]

I see I think I have an idea of what can I do know to get my flower but it will take time

[rich jungle]

Yeah, just go for an S-Curved by growing fresh flowers together and recycle all L-Straights, replant others and you should get S-curved pretty quickly

[bleak gyro]

yeah the bug doesnt properly apply the shape genes. Though the shape genes do eventually get passed but some seeds refuse to pass while others do pass fine, sometimes it takes 10-20 generations to get the right shape in my experience.

[rich jungle]

Make sure to make a #bug-report on it, hopefully it can be fixed, and until then you can try the workaround of S-Curved base flower. Then proximity pollination still works as expected to create more S-Curved/Fresh Green S-Curved

[sleek sluice]

Yes i will make a bug report about it i hope other ppl does too

[steel vale]

@rich jungle First off, thanks for your service to the community. Secondly, I watched your vid and just to make sure before I make any irreversible mistakes, this is the only/best way to homogenize my hydrangeas, correct? Or is there anything I should keep in mind or do differently? :>

[rich jungle]

technically slightly better to just keep pollinating several times off the ones which produced those, but in a group that large the Dominant gene will win out, just might get a few black flowers you will need to re-grow.

that also requries spacing out the planting times or leaving some hydrangeas fully grown, so up to you

[steel vale]

Thank you for the answer! I have a fourth batch off screen for emergencies so I have extra hydrangeas if anything goes awry :> I'll report back once I succeeded after however many generations it will take

[bleak gyro]

lol this just happened @rich jungle 4 black flowers by accident xD

crazy

[rich jungle]

0.39% not accounting for the pre-requisite of them all becoming Dominant/recessive first...

[bleak gyro]

it seems like its rough to stop them from going dominant/recessive

but eventually dominant gene wins out right?

how much of it was it a struggle for you to get all your flowers double dominant

when you started it from scratch

[rich jungle]

well now you know that center one is Dominant/recessive, so the next child you get Mandarin S-curved you just replace it. That one will have a chance to be Dominant/Dominant

[bleak gyro]

ohh

[rich jungle]

its just annoying with hydrangeas because it can take a while for them to grow

[bleak gyro]

yeah ikr

[bleak gyro]

do i do it right away when its mandarin s-curved child or do i wait

[rich jungle]

right away, waiting just increases the chance of it becoming a silver gray flower

[bleak gyro]

and like i had 1 mandarin s-curved flower there as parent, and 3 of its offspring were mandarin s-curved and the 4th was crimson s-curved and it went all 4 of them as silver gray

[bleak gyro]

i see i see

[sleek sluice]

Finally i got my first one Yisus

[bleak gyro]

@rich jungle theres another thing you might or might not know about but i had someone go in my homestead to take my pollen last night and they were like "it looks like its almost finished but isnt yet" and then it finally was ready once i entered my homestead. Apparently timer freezes up if i'm not in my homestead. Though it can be force adjusted to next phase by doing an action on a field there if the owner is not there such as watering a flower, or fertilizing a flower.

timer can freeze if offline or not in homestead

i wonder if i should take this timer into account for my flower pollination by trying to be inside homestead before it freezes

[sleek sluice]

Yes that happen to me a lot when im waiting for Doma Flowers to spawn XD

[bleak gyro]

so the growth time is spaced out

instead of all at once

[bleak gyro]

same

xD

[sleek sluice]

I put a timer and I have to wait like 30 more minutes sometimes

[sleek sluice]

Well I hope this is the start of my perfect flower and I hope I get all of them soon

[rich jungle]

so you just got a random S-Curved then applied pollen to make it fresh green right? Then are now pollianting off of that?

[sleek sluice]

Yes I got a random S Curved to be able to get that one using your pollen

I guess that work

[rich jungle]

yeah good to know, hope they fix it to not require that though

[sleek sluice]

I did my report and they say they will investigate but that won’t answer me with the solution

[bleak gyro]

@rich jungle should i do anything with the stupid timer freeze for my homestead like staying in homestead so it doesnt freeze? would that help prevent silver gray flowers

[solemn kayak]

🤔

[sleek sluice]

Idk if they will actually do something

Maybe more ppl need to report it

[rich jungle]

shouldn't affect anything, it just doesn't show them as completed for non-roommates.

basically they just instantly complete when you enter

[bleak gyro]

oh okay

@rich jungle did you ever accidently get black flowers before

[sleek sluice]

Maybe someone that know how to explain the issue better would make their job easier bc I wasn’t able to explain that properly since I don’t even understand all the pollination system

[raw field]

hoping that one day they add in a water all/fertilize all option . . .

also whoops wasnt paying attention and accidentally got rid of a seed

[sleek sluice]

@rich jungle are you there?

[rich jungle]

yeah

[sleek sluice]

Can you come to my homestead to make sure i dont mess up now

[sleek sluice]

Thank you Doma

[bleak gyro]

@rich jungle is it possible to get another type of flower btw with double dominant genes? or will it always be color locked forever? i'm wondering if you ever got another type of flower with your double dominant genes before

since you said the chance isnt a full 0%

[rich jungle]

Another type of flower could mean literally anything. Are you growing a fresh flower pollinating off of the double dominant then yes. Are you pollinating the double dominant from some different flower? Then yes.

The isn't full 0% is because theoretically you can never prove a flower is double dominant because you can't see the 2nd gene. And there is a 50% chance per pollination to retain the recessive if it was recessive

[bleak gyro]

i am using double dominant to polinate my other mandarin s-curve now. I have 20 mandarin s-curve flowers now and some were recessive for sure but the dominant ones are taking over pretty much. I had a recessive one in middle of cross, i moved the recessive one to the big group of 15 plots but put it on the bottom, and i do harvest then plant for each respective seed instead of harvesting all at once, so the recessive one on bottom finishes 2 minutes later than the dominant ones on top so they pollinate the bottom one to turn it from dominant to recessive

so i do the same placement and growth each time

to pollinate the recessive ones into dominant

but what happens when double dominant pollinates double dominant

[rich jungle]

Then they are double dominant

[bleak gyro]

will it stay color locked forever

as long as its double dominant pollination

and nothing else

but i'm making my recessive seeds into double dominant at least which is good

then it'll be full perfect 20 double dominant for whoever needs it

[rich jungle]

i mean its not color locked, its that when grown next to each other they will never create anything different

[bleak gyro]

nice

[steel vale]

@rich jungle Sorry for the stupid question, but if I have a cross where only S-Curved Mandarins appear, does that mean that all flowers in that cross, middle included, are double dominant? As in, is it safe to place the depicted 10 flowers next to a bunch of other S-Curved Mandarins without resulting in Silver-Grays?

[rich jungle]

give it at least 2-3 growths after turning S-Curved mandarin, then combine them together, this drastically reduces the chance of them being Dominant/recessive

[steel vale]

Alright, thank you

[sleek sluice]

Getting there almost finish thank you Doma

[bleak gyro]

i have 20 perfect double dominant gene hydrangeas that are mandarin s-curved now so if anyone ever wants my pollen can just dm me and i can tell you when its rdy to come gather it. My uid is also #236446. but it's just my own hydrangeas.

[sleek sluice]

Finally all perfect now thank you so much @rich jungle

[plain grove]

does anyone know for sure that mandarin-colored roses exist? i noticed the colors for roses are potentially bugged, with a white rose existing without any name, and its currently the only color im missing (im collecting them all) so im wondering if it even exists 😅

[magic storm]

I would just keep planting. That's how I got it.

[plain grove]

I already had it it's just mistakenly called pale gold ingame ☺️

I also reported this bug here

[plain grove]

collection complete

[iron coral]

can u place plants next together and it wont change the flower?

like assuming they all take the same time to grow