Training Life Skills Without Focus (Drop rates, gathering efficiency, etc.)

[normal sapphire]

This guide is only for Season 1. The Season 2 Guide can be found here: https://discord.com/channels/594431022188331008/1463656880579805360

Hi there.

If you're looking for a basic guide to life skills, please check this out first: #1399754420182454322 message

If you would prefer to have this in video form, you can do that too.

In this guide, we'll learn the most efficient methods to level life skills when gathering without using Stamina. This is not something a casual life skiller needs to do. If you just want to use life skills for basic progression or consumables, this information will be wholly unnecessary.

That said, if you want to level life skills to craft legendary gear, outfit a house with good-looking furniture, flex on your friends or even just for the sake of it, you're in the right place. I'll explain how to get levels as painlessly as possible. Throughout this guide, I'll refer to the information in this spreadsheet.
It has approximate drop rates for materials I was able to test during the CBT and will be updated after the game launches. There is a sheet detailing how much EXP is needed for each level and individual sheets laying out the most efficient recipes for each life skill.

Efficient Gathering

Life skills in Star Resonance require 2,000 EXP per level to start. This requirement begins to grow at level 6 and ultimately reaches 6,000 EXP at level 49. Each time you craft something, no matter what the level or difficulty of the craft is, you gain 2 EXP. This sounds daunting, but during the EN CBT I was able to gain 72,000 EXP from crafting items. That's 36,000 crafts in just over 2 weeks, or roughly 2,100 crafts per day. This was nearly 3 times the amount of EXP I gained using Stamina over that same period. Back then, I didn't know the information I do now. I even spent the last week of the CBT testing gathering rates instead of crafting so I could produce this guide. But I was still able to craft legendary gear for every slot and create decent furnishings for my house thanks to 18 levels in Gemcraft, 20 in Alchemy and 30 in Weaving.

The method we'll be using isn't complicated. Using the data on drop rates, I calculated how much EXP you can get per gathering attempt when crafting certain items. We will prioritize crafting items that give us more EXP. We will also prioritize crafting items that can be used in secondary crafts. Finally, we will prioritize using items that have high drop rates so that we can do more crafts with less gathering. All of the information you need for that is in the spreadsheet.

The trickier part is learning how to efficiently use secondary drops from gathering nodes. While each node has a main item you try to gather from it, they all drop an array of secondary items that you won't be using in your targeted craft. By finding ways to use these items as well, you can greatly increase the number of crafts you can do after a gathering run.

Let's look at an example.

Example Gathering Run

Limestone's primary drop is, unsurprisingly, Limestone. It has a 95% drop rate. It also drops Limpid Azure Water at a rate of 150%. You can use 2 Limestone and 1 Water in a basic Gemcrafting recipe for Sandstone Polishers. Due to the difference in drop rates, however, you will get about 3 Water for every 2 Limestone which means you will have 2 Water leftover for each Polisher you craft. If you gather 2,000 times to craft 1,000 polishers, you'll find yourself with about 2,000 extra Water. You'll also have about 1,200 Rock Salts, 1,200 Alum, 3,000 Clay and 3,000 Fine Sand. You won't need any of those items for Gemcrafting training.

Secondary Craft

If you want to leverage the Water for additional Gemcrafting training, you can spend some time gathering from Thin Twigs. They drop Twigs at a whopping 450% rate and Resin at a 200% rate. You can combine 6 Twigs and 3 Water with Gemcrafting to make Rough Paper, so another ~900 gathers will allow you to make ~670 Rough Paper. When we were making Polishers, we got about 1 craft per 2 gathers. At 2 EXP per craft, this is about 1 EXP per gather. When we gather Twigs to use the extra Water, we get a better ratio of crafts to gathers which results in about 1.5 EXP per gather. We will also get about 1,800 Resin.

Tertiary Craft

Resin can be used in a number of highly efficient recipes, but here we can combine it with the 1,200 Alum we got from our Limestone mining and a common mob drop from Boars and Boarlets to craft Refined or Smooth Hard Leather using Weaving. We only need 1 Resin, 1 Alum and 1 mob drop per craft, so we can do an additional 1,200 crafts here without any more gathering. We'll still have 600 Resin leftover which we could use for a quick 150 Rubber crafts using Alchemy or just save for an even more efficient recipe later.

The Rock Salts, Clay and Sand can all be used in various Alchemy recipes as laid out in the spreadsheet.

Don't Underestimate Gathering Speed Upgrades

As you can tell from these examples, volume is the name of the game. For that reason, you will greatly benefit from reducing the gathering time for your skills by activating the related talent nodes. In the example above, we gathered 2,900 times. At the base gathering speed of 5 seconds, this would take about 4 hours. The first speed upgrade will change the gathering speed to 3 seconds, so we could do the same amount of gathering in 2.4 hours. The second upgrade changes the speed to 2 seconds which allows us to finish in only 1.6 hours. During that time, we crafted about 3,000 items to gain 6,000 EXP and still had materials left over for future crafts. For reference, your daily 400 Stamina refill gets you only 1,600 EXP per day and you still have to spend time or Luno getting materials to use the Stamina.

Conclusion

The optimal gathering plan depends on which skill or combination of skills you want to level, so I can't create a general plan for everyone, but I have listed the most efficient recipes for each skill in the spreadsheet along with how much EXP you will get per gather and all of the drops for each node. This should be enough information for anyone to figure out the best way to accomplish their specific goals.

[median flower]

30 weaving? That's some dedication. So I assume you got the mats for charm from homestead store, since it needs lv26 gemcrafting normally.

BTW your gathering time math is not applicable. You didn't account for relocation time. You can't just gather non-stop without moving (or get 0 time between end of one gather and start of the next even without moving).

And there's also the possible issue of not having enough nodes available when you gather too fast.

Some of them are an issue even with normal gathering speed.

[normal sapphire]

You're right on all counts.

I did get the gem from the Homestead store, and I only calculated the time spent gathering as the rest varies wildly. Something like Emerald Cluster has very low travel time, but Rich Sapphire Ore has more travel than gathering time.

While I did run some timed parses, I just didn't have time left in the CBT to get enough info. I'll probably touch on that later.

[median flower]

But still, overall it's worth it to increase your gathering speed, unless you need the points for some other talent.

[median flower]

Yeah, on the rich sapphire I wasn't sure if should keep gathering the 4 nodes or jump/fly to the other 2 as well.

But I didn't have the gather speed talent.

[normal sapphire]

With the talent, it's better to fly. Still, it doesn't feel great making that trip. I made sure to mention that in the survey.

[median flower]

I don't know when in the cbt you did that. It's much better with high level exploration skills.

It's like 3 jumps and you're there.

[warm trail]

great guide, +1 to all the information presented

maybe some basic markdown would make it easier to read? currently looks very long visually

and/or images, infographics

[normal sapphire]

I didn't realize that was possible here. Can sort that out when I get a free moment and am sufficiently awake.

[restive sonnet]

time to max lvl life skills just becuz

[median flower]

Yeah, unfortunately there's basically no reason to do it. Crafted gear is inferior to dropped gear and you don't need too high levels for crafting the important stuff.

[fickle minnow]

I didn't play beta so I don't understand everything 100% but did I get it right that gemcrafting and alchemy fits well together because you can use the leftovers from gemcrafting for alchemy?

[normal sapphire]

This is correct. Alchemy can use leftovers from all of the gathering disciplines.

Gemology specifically drops Rock Salt (from Limestone) which can be used to make Natron which can then be made into Glass Panes when combined with Quartz (from any T1 gem).

[fickle minnow]

Ok nice!
I want to do blacksmithing, is there any life skill that works well with it?

[normal sapphire]

Smelting is pretty strict in that it doesn't have great alternate recipes. However, you do get Fine Sand, Limpid Azure Water, Fine Metal Dust and Clay while getting the Iron/Coal to train Smelting.

Those items are useful elsewhere, but the only complete, efficient recipe that comes to mind is Ink in Alchemy. It uses Boiled Water (from Alchemy) and Fine Metal Dust.

[fickle minnow]

Ok thanks! I'll do these life skills then
And I guess I should sell the fone sand, azure water and clay then?

[normal sapphire]

Those items can't be sold. You'll need some to turn in for the weekly Life Skill Quests, but the rest can be discarded or just wait in your inventory in case you decide to craft something else later.

[fickle minnow]

Ok thx! It's still a bit confusing to me but I think it will get clearer when I see it in-game
I saw a life skills guide saying smelting works great with artisanry and mineralogy so I'm thinking of picking up all those 3 life skills. Would you agree?

[normal sapphire]

Artisanry is used to make Gem Wax using Stamina. Gem Wax is then used to make items to Refine gear using Smelting (and Stamina).

You don't need Artisanry to train Smelting, but if you plan to make Refine items without buying Gem Wax on the trading house, you will use it. However, Gem Wax is available at level 1 so you don't really need to train it.

Mineralogy is how you get the items to do anything with Smelting so that one is necessary to train.

[late canopy]

going to consume this advice to grind out life skill levels for my own amusement

[glacial rampart]

do you recommend leveling or use focus to level up cullinary or just do with weekly quest?

[normal sapphire]

If you plan to use Culinary, there are intermediate ingredients like Meat that you can dump Stamina into for faster leveling without wasting any (so long as you use the Meat later).

Whether or not that's worthwhile depends on what recipe you want to get to, when it unlocks and if it uses Meat or whatever other intermediate ingredient you choose.

In the spreadsheet linked in OP, you can see what level the weekly quests will get you to and if that will be enough by the time you want to start production.

[glacial rampart]

so my goal was craft plainmeat soup and hope to get level 2 for chaotic dungeon. at the same time it also require botany gathering. should i split my focus evenly? tho my end goal for cullinary is the kanamia morsel that can do lvl 1 , lvl 2 and lvl 3

[normal sapphire]

Kanamia Morsel is also available at lvl 1, as are all the Culinary ingredients. I don't think you need to rank the skill at all, tbh.

Azure Fruit is saying it doesn't need levels for Focused gathering, but it's lvl 17 for regular so...maybe just a typo? IDK, will have to double check since it's an updated build from CBT.

If the in-game info is correct, you don't need to level either skill--just use Stamina as needed to get ingredients or buy them and use Stamina just for making Morsels.

[glacial rampart]

thanks so much

so if i want to level up with botany and cullinary with stamina or without weekly quests . wheat is the best? base on your excel

[normal sapphire]

Yes, if you're trying to grind extra Culinary/Botany exp, Wheat -> Flour is your best bet.

[glacial rampart]

ok thnx. will do that

[glacial rampart]

for weaving i am quite confuse. the fastest is to gather alum from limestone. the other material do we buy or also gather ?

[glacial rampart]

nvm i understood now

[wind pelican]

any easier way to see where teh wheat nodes are durring that day im blind to them x.x

[glacial rampart]

do at night only . the sun is too bright haha

[normal sapphire]

Yeah, you just kind of get used to it. I remember where they are due to gathering so much but I can't properly see them either.

[stoic obsidian]

Just wanted to make sure for Smelting. is best way to lvl it up still just mass crafting pig iron and its rivets?

[normal sapphire]

Yes. The small number of recipes means there's no room for flexibility--I hope that changes eventually.

[stoic obsidian]

Gotcha. Ty! I hope so too

[exotic linden]

I'm trying to learn more about the lifeskill systems, wondering currently about masteries. This is my current distribution - what would you recommend I focus on next? I mainly invested so far in some mining/gem stuff and the ability to forge weapon refinement materials, but that's about it:

Mineralogy: Baru Ore / Azte Ore / Luna Ore Novice, Mining Yielding Novice
Gemology: Emerald Novice, Emerald Pro, Gem Yielding Novice
Botany: Nothing
Artisanry: Burning Powder, Gem Wax Crafting
Smelting: Metal Producing Lv 1, Stone Producing Lv 1, Stone Forging Lv 1
Gemcrafting: Gemstone Processing, Triangular Cut Lv 1, Gem Yielding Novice
Culinary: Nothing
Alchemy: Nothing
Weaving: Nothing

[normal sapphire]

The masteries you choose are entirely dependent on what you want to produce and whether or not you're doing a lot of gathering. If you're able to make everything you want right now, you can just hang on to the points or get gathering/crafting speed upgrades if you're spending much time on those.

[glacial rampart]

if want to gather. please take the fast gather . it really useful

[wind pelican]

i knwo atrisenry doesnt have thinsg without focus right now so whats teh best way to lv that up while still benifiting for the uses of it?

or is it just making lumbers and pushing luna into it?

[normal sapphire]

Currently, you can only level Artisanry by throwing Luno or Stamina at it. It's sad.

[glacial rampart]

you could also buy material from homestead if you dont want to use luno

[faint igloo]

too much text need tldr? what to mine > craft for gemcraft and smelting?

[mellow silo]

looking at raising culinary without focus, it seems pretty rough

Salt > rock salt has a pretty low drop rate and you need a fair bit of it per craft

Honey > beehives dropped by monsters, probably a good option

Flour > wheat same as rock salt

Butter > fresh milk same as beehives, whichever monster is lower level is probably the better grind

Nine-Flavor Spice > raw fish is a pain to gather. have to chase moving fish and if your stamina hits zero in the water you drown (ie a loading screen and teleport away)

Overcooked Boan Meal > horns are luno/homestead coins only

Botanic Growth Powder > need to harvest two different things that probably have a low drop rate

Low-Purity Fish Oil > raw fish again

Bait > needs botanic growth powder and a lot of it

Fertilizer > needs overcooked bone meal, but hay and soil are easy to get in large quantities. might be the best luno conversion rate if you wanna dump money into it

[whole wadi]

if you actually read the google doc you would know that the conversion rates between salt vs flour cannot be further apart

[normal sapphire]

The best rate for Culinary is Flour.

Wheat has a drop rate of 400%. This means you get 4 Wheat per gather on average. Since you need 3 Wheat per 2xp craft, you get 2.67 exp/gather.

Rock Salt has drop rate of 60%. You still need 3 Salt per 2xp craft. That works out to 0.4 exp/gather.

Culinary is rather inflexible since so few recipes don't use Focus, but the rate for Flour is pretty good for a non-chain craft.

[mellow silo]

aaaaaaa, my mistake, thought they'd have a similar rate due to the same rarity

[normal sapphire]

No worries--it was a reasonable assumption. Before I tested the drop rates, I thought Salt was a good way to rank.

[normal sapphire]

Mine Limestone for Gemcraft and make Sandstone Polishers.

Mine Baru Ore (T1) for Smelting and make Pig Iron Ingots then make Iron Rivets out of those Ingots.

[faint igloo]

tysmmm

[wind pelican]

whats good overlap i can do with honeycomb?

been farmign liek 1.5k of it a night

[normal sapphire]

If you pick Flax to make Refined Yarn, you can combine it with Beeswax made from Honeycomb using Alchemy to make Refined Canvas. In this way, the Honeycomb gets you one Alchemy craft and one Weaving craft.

[wet nimbus]

so fastest way to lvl smelt without focus is baru ore?

[normal sapphire]

Correct. T1 Baru Ore drops Iron and Coal in the proportion needed for crafting Ingots. The Ingots can then be made into Rivets.

T2 Baru Ore has half the drop rate of Coal so it's actually less efficient unless you have a bunch of extra Coal from somewhere else.

Training Life Skills Without Focus (Drop rates, gathering efficiency, etc.)

[wet nimbus]

thx

[mild seal]

This doc hurt my brain so much but I see what you are trying to prove

Trying this is going to take some serious research.

I want to level weaving. Does anyone already have a rotation of some kind that can explain it to me in a digestible way?

I don't know what the red boxes in the weaving sheet are referring to. I don't know what they mean by "if Alum needed," because isn't Alum always needed for the recipes below it?

also there are tiers of branches?

[whole wadi]

the left side (GREEN) ASSUMES you already have Alum and you dont need to gather them
if you dont have it and you need to go out of your way to gather them, you take the right one (RED) as your leveling efficiency

this is what branch tiers mean if im not wrong, higher tier should results in more yield

[mild seal]

That's crazy lol

Good to know though

[whole wadi]

i feel like op has spent time writing all this but people are just too lazy to read #1416463987155009688 message

you should always have alum if you gather limestone and its byproducts that you use for secondary/tertiary crafting

[normal sapphire]

If you only want to level Weaving, Flax is probably your best bet. You can use mob drops like Honeycomb to make secondary crafts with the resulting Yarn.

The leather recipe you posted above is the most efficient if you have Alum from Limestone, but it's not worth going out of your way for. It's just a nice opportunity for people who are leveling multiple skills.

[glacial rampart]

you could buy alum at material if you consistent do the homestead commission . if you dont care about housing decoration

it cost 58 homestead coin

[wind pelican]

Need more clustered nodes like twigs

Let me not move

Dare I ask how much lumber I would need to Max artensnry

[glacial rampart]

do higher level resourcesgive more material . like wood branch vs thin twig?

[normal sapphire]

Twigs are a constant 450% across tiers, but Resin drop increases.

[normal sapphire]

It would cost an astronomical amount of Luno. I cannot recommend it.

[whole wadi]

Hi, do you know the rough chances for emerald apples on t3 gather

[normal sapphire]

Should be 20% for T3. 5% / 10% / 20% for T1 / T2 / T3.

[whole wadi]

ah thank you, so thats the focus bonus

[mild seal]

Rude. I'm not lazy. I did read the whole thing, and I watched the video. I didn't ask that question because I didn't read, it was because it took me a fair bit to get the sheet's formatting.

[wet nimbus]

💀

[mild seal]

It was stated everyone would be a bit different, so I went into this thinking my life skill would need something different.

[mellow silo]

I think it's pretty rude to consistently assume the worst of someone just because they may have missed or misinterpreted a piece of information

[river pagoda]

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[mild seal]

Do we have any notes on botany that gives more than 2 EXP per gather? There are some sites for mineralogy/gemology that can give 20~28 EXP on occasion. Anything like that for botany?

[normal sapphire]

All gathering nodes have a ~15% chance to give bonus EXP. I've noticed some long streaks where it didn't happen and suspect it may deactivate if the node is too many tiers below your gathering lvl, but it works after you max the skill out again so maybe not.

I know Scallops give bonus EXP for Botany all the way to lvl 20, at least.

[mild seal]

Well I've def been having a long streak with sweet berries.

I'll try out scallops

thanks for the help

[wind pelican]

i think teh simplest way is twigs no

up on the borelet site

dont have to move far

[slim tiger]

Simplest way is to use dark magic so that you can afk and not manually harvest every resource node...

[normal sapphire]

Dark magic is, in my experience, quite complicated.

[normal sapphire]

Now that I have access to Everfall for the first time, I'm working on parsing drop rates for the new ores. I'm dropping the data here to ensure people have access to it if I get popped by the CIA. The spreadsheet has been updated with approximate values.

T3 Luna Ore approximate rates are as follows:
Luna Pure Ore 300 parse
Coal: 38.67%
Tin: 5.67%
Zinc: 8.33%
Mithril: 21.67%
Fine Metal Sand: 142.33%
Clay: 134%
Fine Sand: 142.33%
Limpid Azure Water: 212.33%
Engram Crystal: 3% (did not hit cap)

This is surprisingly high on Limpid Azure Water as everything else has a 150% rate, so that may have just been a fluke.

I was hoping for higher rates on Tin/Zinc but instead it's lower than T2. At least Mithril has a fairly healthy drop rate. Also, Fine Metal Sand has about triple the drop rate of any previously tested node, so this is a good way to get it for your weekly quest if you're gathering for it.

This ore doesn't seem like it's going to be useful for training since it has lower rates on materials for spammable recipes and the only unique drop is a rare item with inefficient recipes.

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Baru Pure Ore 300 parse
Coal: 42%
Iron: 6.67%
Cobalt-Iron: 27%
Fine Metal Sand: 42%
Clay: 136.67%
Fine Sand: 139%
Limpid Azure Water: 204.67%
Engram Crystal: 3.33%

The Fine Metal Sand drop rate is normal so I guess the increased drop is a Luna Pure thing instead of a T3 ore thing. We do see Limpid Azure Water still at 200%, so there's that.

Also, T1 Baru ore is undefeated as the best way to rank Smelting. We get almost no Iron from T3.

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Azte Pure Ore 300 Parse
Coal: 44.3%
Copper: 5.3%
Lustrous Copper: 26.3%
Fine Metal Sand: 39.67%
Clay: 157.67%
Fine Sand: 140.33%
Limpid Azure Water: 183.67%
Engram Crystal: 3.33%

The pattern holds. Less of the base resource (Copper) and more of the rare (Lustrous Copper) with an oddly large amount of Limpid Azure Water.

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Stokes Pure Ore 300 Parse
Coal: 44.3
Copper: 26.67%
Shimmergold: 20.33%
Fine Metal Sand: 38%
Clay: 153.33%
Fine Sand: 140.33%
Limpid Azure Water: 187.33%
Engram Crystal: N/A (capped)

This is the only T3 ore to have a decent rate on the T1 resource (copper). Other than that, it looks the same as the other T3 ore.

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Granite 300 Parse
Quartz: 47%
Granite: 35%
Feldspar: 26%
Mica: 27%
Rock Salt: 62.3%
Alum: 68%
Clay: 145.67%
Fine Sand: 165%
Limpid Azure Water: 172.3%
Engram Crystal: (capped)

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Andra Enigmite 300 Parse
Quartz: 28.67%
Spodumene: 33.33%
Black Tourmaline: 33.67%
Derived Pigment: Epic: 79%
Enigmite: 162%
Clay: 135%
Fine Sand: 143.67%

[wind pelican]

@normal sapphire any updates to any of this out of curiosity?

ideal farming spots and best crafting?

[normal sapphire]

That depends on your specific goals in terms of what to rank and whether you are crafting gear or furniture. I could give some tips with more information.

As for general info, I plan to make some updates with more information on how to craft your own plan like node respawn times and ideal circuits, but I can't seem to pull myself away from life skilling long enough to finish it in a reasonable time.

[wind pelican]

Mainly trying to max out and prep s2 since we can make Lego lines crafting wise

Just trying to be wfficent

[wind pelican]

so for that focusing on artisny , weaving and gemcrafting

so trying to find my most overlap

[dusky quail]

Gem crafting overlaps all classes, so there’s that

[normal sapphire]

That's pretty similar to my own plan.

Artisanry can't be gathered for until season 2 so I put all of my Focus here. For Weaving/Gemcrafting, the most efficient path is to mine Limestone and gather from Branch Clusters (or w/e tier of branches you can).

The Limestone and Limpid Azure Water from Limestone can be used to make Gemstone Polishers in Gemcrafting.

The Alum from Limestone can be used with Resin from Branches and a mobdrop (from Boars at Scout Outpost or bought from Fresh Meat store if needed) to make Leather of various types in Weaving.

The Twigs from Branches and Limpid Azure Water from Limestone can be used to make Rough Paper in Gemcrafting.

By bouncing back and forth between those two resources, you'll have the highest overall efficiency for that trio of skills.

No real updates, I guess. Could have just said that

[wind pelican]

do you have good spots whre someone who is lazy can just hit to spots from standing at one spot i know trees are good for that for branches i just need someplace i can turn my brain off and spam f

i didnt see any double hit spot for limestone i did for granit though

[normal sapphire]

There's no double for Limestone. Granite doesn't drop Limestone and the equivalent craft is much less efficient so it's no good for training.

T3 trees can be accessed in 4 places just by hugging the tree, T2 cannot, T1 has that one spot with like 8 nodes.

[jovial cypress]

I understand this guide, but I have a question on when and what I should do with my focus when leveling skills. Just pick something in the skill I'm leveling that uses Focus and gather it for mastery points? Sorry I'm a very new player lol

[normal sapphire]

If you are just using Focus for faster leveling and don't care about making something useful for yourself or to sell, then just spend it in whatever skill is hardest to train.

If you want to rank Artisanry, this is where you should spend it as you can't train it well without Focus.

Otherwise, it's just a matter of preference.

[jovial cypress]

Ok so can you still gain mastery points without using focus then?

[normal sapphire]

No, you'll need to pick somewhere to spend it to get mastery points.

[jovial cypress]

Oh I understand now. Thanks for your help!

I just used my first 2k focus mining baru and azte. Oh well that's part of the learning process in a new game

[wind pelican]

yeah ive been making and selling artiseny stuff focus wise

but i coudl make a lot more money via smelting atm

i need muh beret

[wind pelican]

yeah i kinda went wild on mining and gem crafting when lv 5s droped

i likely coudl have just gotta trisry done had i just dumped all my pots from bp and aved up from guild store into wax of powder

[wind pelican]

do we know like the total amounts we would need mixed with x amount fo weeklis to max out? have you done that calc?

or if we just do weeklie suntill s2 will be get there?

like im thinking save my stam post for s2 start to pump something so we can craft the 120 lego gear with affix lines

and maybe save the mats to non focus lv it if we can reach 40 within s1 via weeklies if that possible

cause if we just pump non focus lving atm we get to teh point weeklies are a waste and then thast wasted exp no

@normal sapphire thoughts?

[normal sapphire]

Yes, EXP per lvl is in the spreadsheet along with EXP totals from weekly quests + full stamina investment.

If you only do weekly quests, it takes 23 weeks to hit lvl 50. S2 is 12 weeks in so you won't make it with just those.

[wind pelican]

noted

[normal sapphire]

Weeklies will get you to lvl 35 in the 12 weeks of S1.

[wind pelican]

so we need to make up how much exp non focus wise

[normal sapphire]

~70k exp per crafting discipline is needed after weeklies.

[wind pelican]

sooo 35k of crafts

auto attack borelets over night farm twigs, and alum daily while im awake

twigs and water for gem crafting alum resin and borelet kills for weaveing whil throwing focus at art

all art crafts sell for the same per focus right

cause i still need my 3m trophy

[normal sapphire]

I don't know how they're priced on the market

I don't think it's based on Focus since some have pre-cursors

[wind pelican]

40 crafts a day on artisnry is 80x40 so to get 70k exp on top of weeklies we need 875 crafts

so 21-22 days of daily focus

could we not mix lving alchemy for bees wax and smelting for the pig iron into bolts into artisenry os is that not very optimal due to wood cost?

[normal sapphire]

That's furniture. It doesn't give any skill EXP.

Beeswax also can't be gathered.

[wind pelican]

behives into bees wax no?

alchemy

[normal sapphire]

That part works, but the crate itself doesn't give EXP so it can't be used as a crossover recipe.

[wind pelican]

ah sadge

figured afking undergroudn is my avrge is like 1-2k a night of behives for culinary or alch

[dusky quail]

How many stacks of resin in total would I need to max out Weaving?

[normal sapphire]

Assuming you have the necessary Alum and mob drops, you would need 81,520 Resin to max Weaving before weekly quest EXP. So just subtract (7,200 x Weeks)/2 from that.

[wind pelican]

well you said something befor about weeklies net us lv 35 all together so we woudl need 70k more right. So wouldn't you need 35k?

currently in limestone jail

14k out fo 35k

[normal sapphire]

If you're aiming to reach it by the end of season 1, then you'd plug 12 weeks in. That would leave you with 38,320 crafts to go. If you started day 1 and got the quests from the partial week, you'd need 34,720 crafts.

So roughly 35k crafts.

[wind pelican]

well limestone wise i relie its 2 per for polishers so i need 70k

that should get me my 35k alum at least

[wind pelican]

@normal sapphire twig wise is it better to do teh basic or is there valu ein doing the higher tiers as i knwo for ores you said to do lower but i saw spread sheet wise the exp per gather went up with twigs?

cause i see we can turn he silkworm into a lv 35 thread too for 7 each

[normal sapphire]

The drop rate on Twigs doesn't change, but the drop rate on Resin does. If you are using Resin, you want to gather from the highest tier available.

Silkworm EXP/gather is ~0.1 so it doesn't really factor in, but it's something.

[wind pelican]

would you use teh tree resin for alchemy pushing?

[normal sapphire]

I sometimes do just because I have thousands of extra Resin from ranking Gemcrafting. It's more than I could ever use otherwise.

However, I never gather specifically for Alchemy. It's very easy to rank with secondary drops so I just burn some of those whenever I have time to craft and nothing else prepared.

[wind pelican]

That's fair I'm focusing on my weaving as my primary since gemcutting has lived up extra from focus so hoping 35k alum will do me fine for that as I know 35k resin will leave me with a lot of twigs and water for paper. Just focusing on the alum as my main target as resin is easy limestone jail is mindless though doing 3-4k a day but likely need what 70k limestone to have 35 k alum

[azure crown]

Crafting obnoxious amounts of bricks boosted my alchemy lvl by so much, thank you for you guide

[normal sapphire]

I'm working with @olive onyx right now on the gathering EXP business. They've found that there seem to be 20 bonus EXP procs per gathering profession per day.

This suggests my previous theory of it being related to node tier was wrong.

[keen rain]

lol

sup

new here

[normal sapphire]

Hi there

[crimson hollow]

Hey, my goal is to get gemcrafting weaving and smelting to 40 before season 2.

So my best bet would be to go for limestone to craft for gemcrafting, then get resin and mob drops to level weaving.

Smelting is being leveled by focus cause it’s my luno source. So not to worried about that one.

Is this correct? Or would you approach it a different way?

[normal sapphire]

That's a solid plan. Just be sure to use the Twigs from Resin gathering along with Water from Limestone to craft Rough Paper to rank Gemcrafting as well, otherwise it will lag behind Weaving.

[crimson hollow]

Gotcha, Ty! And thanks for the guide’

[wind pelican]

you still shovingfocus into artisnry?

or useing it to make luno

[normal sapphire]

For now, yes, though I haven't been using my Focus potions. My plan is to cap Weaving, Gemcraft, Alchemy and Artisanry at next weekly reset. I don't want to use any more Focus than necessary for that.

[wind pelican]

fair

im at 27k limestone atm my twigs and resisn are done already so its just limestone and alum at this point

i used potions to push refin mats this jump and made bank tryign to lessen th pain it will be to swipe for ocean weapon

if i can chip off 10m ill be happy

im def a bit late to the game but still got time

[crimson hollow]

Hi, me again, I got like 7k of limestone still a very long way to go haha.

Wondering if anyone would have tips of a recipe that doesn’t require much moving so I could mindlessly do it while watching something on the other screen. Even if it’s less efficient than limestone, but more than just mashing on a single node.

[normal sapphire]

Options are, unfortunately, limited. The closest you can get to not having to run a circuit of nodes is getting Twigs from either Tier 1 or Tier 3 branches. For T3, you run back and forth between two spots where you gather 4x each. Twigs + Limpid Azure Water (from Gemology or Mineralogy) makes Rough Paper.

There are a handful of other recipes, like Quartz Sand, but all require running a different circuit of nodes.

[crimson hollow]

thanks again!

[wind pelican]

32k limestone we slowly getting then goign to end up at 53-54k to get my 35k alum anyways

[normal sapphire]

Are you planning to craft it all at once?

[crimson hollow]

do you already have your mob drops?

35k of those is also crazy haha

[wind pelican]

i think i need one more night of afk farming for it

got my resin got my twigs

alum is 22k lime is 32 nearly 33

[dusky quail]

Is there a specific spot you can set up afk to farm for the boar/boarlet drop, without you character wandering off every five minutes?

[normal sapphire]

No matter where I start, I always seem to end up around the elite mob.

[formal timber]

Press auto attack and lock them

[wind pelican]

i was only mm auto only and could sit still doing 5 per 30 second cycle

up on clif near teh tend

[wind pelican]

finaly

[normal sapphire]

Hard part is done. Just need to clean up Smelting/Culinary then gather purely for furniture crafts.

[wind pelican]

Did you go brick route for alch or resin

I'm at like.. 43k lime 28k alum

But I know you've been at this longer then me

[normal sapphire]

Neither. I just processed secondary mats, so I made Bricks, Rubber, Water and everything else but didn't have a specific plan for Alchemy.

[wind pelican]

And your culinary plan?

[normal sapphire]

I haven't bothered with it. I dumped some excess Rock Salt in since I had thousands. Will train the rest on Flour now that I've finished the others.

Priority was on skills that have furniture.

[wind pelican]

Ah

Flour just seems to be like an annoying loop as it's so hard to see the damn nodes in daylight

[crimson hollow]

Do we have info on the level requirements to the first gear set for season 2? (level 100 i guess?) might drop the towel this grind is a bit too much for me lol

[normal sapphire]

I imagine 50. The life skill lvl cap only goes up by 10 levels so I'm guessing 50/55/60 are the breakpoints. Unfortunately, I haven't seen info on that.

[crimson hollow]

ty!

[azure crown]

@normal sapphire have you made any statistical test on Cotton? I need the ingredient for some stuff, but when gathering from Asteria Cotton plant, it is not 100%, is there any alternatives?

Thanks in advance Sviel

[normal sapphire]

The drop rate on cotton is 50%. Same for Flax. Your best shot is to combine them with mob drops like honeycombs (processed via Alchemy) or fur so that you can get 2 crafts out of each drop.

Alternatively, if you're also ranking Gemcrafting, you can mine Limestone for Alum (60% drop rate) and combine with a mob drop and Resin (400% drop rate from T3 Branches).

Info pulled from here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hDLIeR0YxzxVtJBqL2ibJnUDvCLH33IQkAjE5c1w3ck/edit?gid=1934573242#gid=1934573242

[wind pelican]

do we have exp numbers for s2 lv raise?

to knwo ho wmuch preping we have to do for that

[normal sapphire]

I don't have those. The people sharing info from S2 don't seem to care much about life skills

[wind pelican]

Sadge

I need to figure out what additional prep work I need

[pastel lotus]

Just wondering but did anyone calculate what everyone will be at come S2 by just using the weekly quests?

[normal sapphire]

You will be lvl 35 on all skills with just weekly quest EXP.

[pastel lotus]

Need to do some catchup on weave/cul @ 26. I know Cul has an easy solution , i just didnt get round to it xD

Limstone gathering loop so relaxing - idk if i want to gather all the wheat for flour though >->
Feel like afk void farm luno was nerfed so dont wanna splash out of huge numbers either.

[azure crown]

Weaving is the hardest to lvl up IMO compared to the other lifeskills, without focus, the 50-50 chance of getting the root ingredient of flax or cotton regular 🤔

Almost everything in regular weaving starts with cotton

[normal sapphire]

Yep. That's why I hit the Limestone so hard. I didn't want to have to deal with Cotton/Flax gathering runs.

Smelting is worse for me I think. Something about Baru Ore just doesn't sit right with my soul. Can't Zen out and gather it for hours like other things.

[steady badge]

What is the most profitable life skill?

[fickle crypt]

I think it depends on the prices that items have on the trading house

which change a lot

[normal sapphire]

I haven't really studied it. My guess is refining mats for now.

[dusky quail]

Profitable as in via focus?

I have a spreadsheet that I’ve updated every couple of weeks to track overall profitability. Last I checked the most profitable item was t2 gem crafting (for some reason).

After that it was smelting goods (while they were in the 1900s), which was a more consistent option.

Currently the values on the market are quite different from my last calculations, so keep that in mind.

[azure crown]

Maxed out Alchemy and Gemcrafting. Before S2 starts, I will probably get Culinary and Weaving maxed out to level 50 as well.
Did not use any focus or bound Luno on lvling them up.
I am giving up on Artisanry, and just let the weekly quest or weekly lifeskill books from the honor shop level it up. I am not using any focus or any bound Luno on it.
Sucks that you cannot harvest/gather/mine any normal materials on Artisanry, but oh well.

Lemme just reiterate my Thanks for you making the guide. Really appreciate it

[normal sapphire]

Nicely done!

Also, in Season 2, you can harvest wood for Artisanry I've been told.

[dusky quail]

Hopefully 🤞🏼 I made myself go bound luno broke just getting my weaving to 50 (from 42) over the past week…
Already had Smelting lvl 50 about a month ago, gem crafting is 47, and Artisanry 43. The consumable ones both 37 still.

Any idea if there’ll be any valuable crafts under Alchemy/Culinary walled behind lvls? I could probably get Alchemy up well into the 40s with my 80k resin stock…

[solar sonnet]

@normal sapphire
lifeskill xp required:
lvl 50->51: 17900
lvl 51->52: 18400
lvl 52->53: 18900
lvl 53->54: 19500
lvl 54->55: 20000
lvl 55->56: 20600
lvl 56->57: 21100
lvl 57->58: 21700
lvl 58->59: 22300
lvl 59->60: 22900
max lvl 60

120 gear (smelting):
lvl 40-45
140 gear (smelting):
lvl 46-51
160 gear (smelting):
lvl 52-57

[dusky quail]

There’s gonna be 140? I thought it was just going to be 120 then 160. Thanks for the level xp requirements and gear range clarification

[normal sapphire]

Wow, it takes ~3x the old exp values to lvl. Guess I'll have some work to do in S2 after all.

[normal sapphire]

Only furniture is lvl locked in those I believe

[solar sonnet]

Also gathering cap is now 40
Gathering skill xp required:
20->21: 7500
21->22: 7600
22->23: 7800
23->24: 8100
24->25: 8300
25->26: 8500
26->27: 8800
27->28: 9000
28->29: 9300
29->30: 9600
30->31: 9900
31->32: 10200
32->33: 10500
33->34: 10800
34->35: 11100
35->35: 11400
36->37: 11800
37->38: 12200
38->39: 12600
39->40: 13000
40 (max)

[dusky quail]

How much xp does the new system replacing the Weekly Quests provide (roughly)?

[solar sonnet]

10k total in 50 xp books.

[solar sonnet]

Heres all the lifeskill updates I could find (Including a way to train artisanry without focus finally...)
https://youtu.be/UDDj5olA26E

[solar sonnet]

Can't believe I glanced over this.
There is now a "Buy Now" option in crafting menu, which allows you to select up to X items worth of materials to craft (only buys if you are missing the items).
No need to buy the items individually in the exchange shop. You can also select Homestead coins instead of bound luno.

Also crafting from the new zone materials (Cotton/Flax) is giving 10 per craft, while ordinary flax is giving 4 per craft.
For example Alpine Flax (42 weaving) seems good, seems to be 100% drop rate per harvest, requires 3 to craft (x3 thread). Then uses 2 thread + 1 Beeswax for another craft.

[dusky quail]

I certainly would hope they'd give us more efficient farm spots, with how much each lvl costs....

[crimson hollow]

only 10k per week is a joke. they made things craftable nice, but the xp required to reach the levels to craft the armor is insane compared at how much xp we get. and grinding without focus giving only 2xp? LMFAO

[dusky quail]

Season 1 crafts will be increased to 4xp per craft, and season 2 will reward 10xp per craft.

Regarding gear crafting, they likely want players to specialize a bit more, so dropping xp into specific branches…

[crimson hollow]

insane info that i havent seen anywhere else and i just wasted like 1k of crafts smh. tysm!

[dusky quail]

@solar sonnet , I thought I got that xp per craft adjustment info from something you posted… But now I can’t find it

[solar sonnet]

bro its right there

[dusky quail]

Thanks, I’m fn blind

[normal sapphire]

Adjusting old exp/craft is interesting. I guess they want to make things easier for new players.

Giving extra EXP for S2 crafts is also unexpected, but welcome.

Now, let's see if they add any purpose to non-Focus crafting

The EXP needed to lvl from lvl 50 to 60 is 203,300 in total. The EXP needed to lvl from 1 to 50 is 163,040.

However, we get EXP at least twice as fast from non-Focus gathering and likely faster with new recipes.

[normal sapphire]

The new Botany gatherables are mostly useless for non-Focus gathering:

I guess that means less work measuring drop rates at least

Alpine Cotton needs 7 drops for one craft. If it gives 10 EXP as reported and has a 100% drop rate, that's 1.4 EXP/gather.

Regular Cotton gives 4 EXP now and has a 50% drop rate, so 2 EXP/gather.

It seems that green items give 4 EXP and blue items give 10 EXP while purple items give 40 EXP. Finally, a reason to craft s1 purple gear! Gold items give 100 EXP.

[solar sonnet]

just need to do this recipe with beeswax almost as efficient as the old recipes but gives 20 xp

so farm honeycomb afk and combine

[normal sapphire]

I'll have to sort out all the secondary crafts later. Regular Cotton also has a secondary with just 1 Honeycomb instead of 4, though it takes twice as much thread. They're not making this easy by any means.

It doesn't seem like any new gatherables have requirements above lvl 10...? So why add 20 lvls to them each?

[solar sonnet]

phone photo because standalone likes to make it reinstall every update...
but at the warehouse you can now spend homestead coins to auto gather materials

[normal sapphire]

Interesting.

Base gathering EXP/gather seems to be 10 now instead of 2 as well.

I guess I'll have to do some time trials to explore the efficacy of auto-gather.

Meteorite Ore only spawns in clumps of 5 that I've found. That means it has downtime if you have max speed upgrades

[solar sonnet]

Yeah homestead auto gather + 10xp for blues is massive for lifeskill leveling, 600 alpine flax is 3k weaving xp in 16 hours.
You can also gather the artisanry logs (which would be annoying to manually gather as they are not guaranteed).

[normal sapphire]

I'm in the middle of testing Osteo Fir drop rates. They're in the 40-50% range (42% n=100). Assuming 50% drop rate, it's 8 gathers for 10 EXP or 1.25 EXP/gather. That's not great in terms of S1 exp and downright terrible since they inflated the exp/lvl in S2. Artisanry remains the toughest life skill to rank without Focus.

[normal sapphire]

On Limestone, I get ~600 crafts/hour for Gemcraft. With the new rules, that's 2,400 EXP/hour.

Does the auto gather scale up at all?

[solar sonnet]

doesn't seem to, but its 1 item every 1min 40 seconds.

so even more worth it for something like the artisanry logs as they aren't guaranteed and need 4 per craft.

Also rough that you can't train artisanry like that till lvl 42

[normal sapphire]

Oh wow, you're right. Still no way to train via gathering for early lvls and now the weekly quests are gone too.

Lumberjacks just can't catch a break.

If Windchime Birch has a 50% drop rate, it will give 5 EXP/gather. But it requires lvl 45 and I only saw 3 Birch nodes on the entire map so...not terribly viable.

Gray crafts, like Flour, still give 2 exp. Culinary doesn't benefit much from the rarity exp change since all the spammable crafts are grey.

I guess Fishing might be the fastest way to rank it now.

Advanced Fertilizer may also work if you don't mind buying horns for Bone Meal. It's still kind of wild that those don't drop anywhere. I don't think any of the unobtainable items from S1 got drop locations.

[azure crown]

Dude!! this such a game changer yea 10 exp

[normal sapphire]

Osteo Fir rough drop rates, n=200

[normal sapphire]

Gem nodes are also laid out in 5s. I suspect they did this to antagonize me personally.

[solar sonnet]

guess auto gather actually rolls the table itself not guaranteeing you get the material, 40 gathers = 17 logs.

[normal sapphire]

Bahamar Rich Ore 200-parse results

It takes ~18 gathers to make a green ingot for 4 EXP. That's ~0.22 EXP/gather.

You can also use half as much Ore to make half of a purple ingot recipe. Assuming the other half drops at the same rate, it'd be ~2.2 EXP/gather.

Regular Iron Ingots are 1.6 EXP/gather in S2.

All recipes double in efficiency with secondary crafts.

New recipe for green rubber. Only material is a new, unobtainable via gathering green.

Alchemy remains the easiest life skill to rank. I have enough Tree Resin lying around to get to lvl 60 today.

[normal sapphire]

Windchime Birch also has ~40% drop rate. Works out to ~4 EXP/gather.

It's kind of ok since you get 5 EXP/gather worth of Pliable Twigs at the same time, but you need Limpid Azure Water to complete the Gemcrafting recipe.

[dusky quail]

Anyone have any suggestions on how to gather data on the efficiency of each of the available unbound luno lifeskill options?

Do I just, make 10 or gather 10 of each option and calculate an estimate for their output?

[normal sapphire]

The EXP should be calculable. 2 for gray, 4 green, 10 blue, 40 purple, 100 gold.

You should also be able to calculate the cost in Luno of the components.

[normal sapphire]

Alpine Flax results are in. Seems to be an 80% drop rate.

1 Gather = 0.8 Flax
6 Flax = 20 EXP + 30 Secondary EXP (Tough Linen Canvas)

1 Flax = 8.33 total EXP
1 Gather = 6.66 total EXP

Regular Cotton is as such.

1 Gather = 0.5 Cotton
1 Cotton = 4 EXP + 4 Secondary EXP (Hand-Spun Flannel)

1 Cotton = 8 total EXP
1 Gather = 4 total EXP

Regular Cotton has a mirror recipe where it takes 3 to make 3 blue and then a secondary that requires 2 of those blues to make a blue, but since it has a lower drop rate, it's still worse.

Regular Flax has an identical recipe tree to the one listed here for Cotton.

However, Alpine Flax/Cotton don't have secondary drops beyond Hay. None of the S2 items do. So the overall EXP/gather may be lower across all life skills.

Should also be said that Alpine Flax spawns in a batch of 3 or, very far away, a batch of 5. You can't gather it with maximum efficiency due to respawn rates lagging behind gathering speed.

I'm not doing timed trials yet but this probably doesn't make it worse than Regular Cotton/Flax.

[normal sapphire]

1 Gather = 0.8 Alpine Cotton
21 Alpine Cotton = 30 EXP + 10 Secondary EXP

1 Alpine Cotton = 1.9 total EXP
1 Gather = 1.5 EXP

So Alpine Cotton is terrible?

It's also part of some gear recipes, but I don't have the info to do a full breakdown. If we ignore all the other materials, it's 5.7 EXP/Gather...which is already worse than Alpine Flax so may as well just stop there.

Oh, for the first time ever, it is now possible to get Derived Pigment - Yellow as a drop. They still did not fix the issue with the S1 nodes not having it, though.

[normal sapphire]

1 gather from Granite in this new system works out to 3.08 Gemcrafting EXP between the various crafts.

Limestone in the new system is 1.9 EXP/gather.

Rough Paper, the former best craft, is 3.07 EXP/gather.

So we definitely get more EXP now, but not enough to offset the drastic increase in EXP needed to lvl.

Durable Paper is 5 EXP/gather and you get Wood along the way instead of gems with no purpose.

[dusky quail]

Would you mind sharing the location of those triple and pen tuple node patches for Alpine Flax?

[normal sapphire]

I don't mean that you can gather all of those in one place, if that's what you mean. It's just the nodes marked on your map.

[dusky quail]

Oh… dang it. Thanks though. At least I know a double spot for both Flax and Cotton already

[azure crown]

A harvest point that calls itself Osteo Fir, but the drop rate is less than 50% for its Osteo Fir log 😞

Are there other materials you can harvest for Artisanry, that will not require you to spend Luno Bound or focus?

[solar sonnet]

if you have 45 artisanry, the windchime birch logs are better, same drop rate, but give 40 xp per artisanry craft. Also the homestead auto gather is strong if you have homestead coin income, can make a few thousand xp a day.

[dusky quail]

With What items should we use the homestead commission for optimum efficiency?

[solar sonnet]

For raw xp in artisanry (lvl 45+) the windchime birch (purple botany logs). If you are going to craft 120/140 gear manually farm/comission some blue Osteo Fir logs (lvl 42 artisanry blue botany logs) as well to save homestead coins/luno.
For weaving (with lvl 42+), do flax with Tough Linen Canvas if you have a lot of beeswax, or Clear Linen if not.

haven't looked into smelting or anything else really as artisanry/weaving are most important for my gear

[dusky quail]

Weaving and artisanry are also most important for my class… But I noticed I still need to get my smelting to 55, and gem crafting to 53 as well

[normal sapphire]

For Gemcrafting, Granite is the highest EXP/gather (3.08) if you don't have extra Limpid Azure Water. Otherwise, Oste Fir or Windchime is the best (5.0).

For Smelting, you need BASIC Feier Ore to make Ingots until you get to 52. Then alternate between BASIC Bahamar and Runye Ore to make Isotopic Alloy Ingots.

[normal sapphire]

After today and a good night's sleep, I should be able to put together a full S2 guide.

[dusky quail]

Is this Granite, referring to the Bahamar granite vein? I just discovered it a few minutes ago, also noted two spots you can stand on to hit two nodes without any character movement.

I’ve also found a “double dip” location for the Birch, Cotton, and Flax locations thus far.

[normal sapphire]

The Granite in Bahamar has the same drop table/rate as the Granite in Everfall.

[normal sapphire]

WIP. Was foolish of me to think this was getting done while I also scramble to complete weeklies.

[dusky quail]

What’s your opinion on using Alum and Resin on the Field Hard Leather recipe?

[dusky quail]

Nvm, I didn’t notice the increased Alum cost

[normal sapphire]

Right. I would only make that as needed. There's a handful of other leather recipes that just swap out the hide part so you can use those if you have different hides.

[normal sapphire]

Math is mostly done. Need to get a larger sample size of Glowshrooms then I'll reproduce this in video form.

[coral pilot]

I don't know if this was already discovered by someone else, but I'll share if not

Protip: Commission Gathering gives a buttload of resources for just 6k homestead coins.

Best item to gather for support, archers and mages classes as well as anyone wanting to train artisanry: Windchime birch logs (requires 45 artisanry)

Why?
Artisanry level is required to craft legendary weapons for above classes (so you get to use it before anyone else, and yes crafted gear has purple line now)
The conversion value is insane: 6k homestead coins -> 260 windchime birch timber (worth 117k homestead coins or 352k bound luno)+ other materials. This gives 2600 artisanry exp converting to timber

[dusky quail]

Thank you, but yes both things are already known. Including the xp output for each instance being roughly 2.5-2.6k

[wind pelican]

what are we thinking is the best way for gemcutting atm?

still olishers?

[dusky quail]

https://discordapp.com/channels/594431022188331008/1416463987155009688/1462212499616305273

[dusky quail]

The F? What's up with the fruit (Alchemy) efficiency? 45/gather is nuts

[wind pelican]

what are we getting from oste fire and windchime we just making rough papper?

[normal sapphire]

Yes. Rough Paper is the goal, any Artisanry EXP is a side bonus.

[wind pelican]

my only thought is dont they make it harder to hit mutiple nodes standing in one place in teh new zone?

is the ease of farming vs the additional side exp worth it?

[normal sapphire]

The only thing you have to gather is Tartberry Juice. It has a 450% drop rate on all nodes it appears and you only need 1 for the blue craft (10exp). So 4.5 crafts a drop at 10 EXP each.

The catch is that the rest of the recipe is an item that has no gatherable, no drop rate or anything. I should add a Luno/EXP comparison to that one...

[normal sapphire]

That will vary by person. The main Gemcrafting EXP is substantially better too, but I'd only do it at the node location that has 4 Windchime, 3 Oste, then 3 more Windchime with no monsters.

[dusky quail]

I’m currently aware of a double dip location for new region’s birch, cotton, and flax nodes. And two spots for the granite nodes.

[normal sapphire]

Updated the sheet to include Luno/EXP as well. Turns out the 45 efficiency Alchemy craft was actually not worthwhile as you can pay less Luno/EXP without gathering at all.

[coral pilot]

Is it easier to train gemcrafting or weaving without focus? I plan to use focus on the other lifeskill

[dusky quail]

So what did you find out about that? Was buying the ingredients just really cheap, making it just a convenient exp spend?

[dusky quail]

Probably weaving imo, but somehow my gem crafting is 53, where my weaving is only 50

[normal sapphire]

This a bit complicated. Weaving is very easy to train without Focus, but ONLY if you have Alum on hand from training Gemcrafting without Focus.

If you aren't gathering from Limestone/Granite, Gemcrafting is easier to train starting at lvl 24 until you hit Weaving 44. At that point, Alpine Flax is the most efficient craft between the two.

So it depends on the level of each one, I guess?

[normal sapphire]

It turns out that Beeswax has a better ratio because you're buying far fewer items. It's not particular efficient itself, but better.

[coral pilot]

Yea my weaving is 48, trying to hit the level to eventually craft lv160 legendary

Guess Ill spend my focus on gemcrafting and do focusless training on weaving. How much exp is it crafting with alpine flax?

[normal sapphire]

It's 10 EXP/craft. You can re-craft the thread with Beeswax to get more EXP without additional gathering.

[stuck parcel]

whats the starat for weaving after level 50

[normal sapphire]

Farm Alpine Flax and Honeycomb, make Hand-Spun Alpine Thread and Beeswax (Alchemy lvl 1) then combine to make Tough Linen Canvas.

If you don't want to farm Honeycomb and it's too expensive, farm regular Flax instead and just buy the Honeycomb to make Beeswax. Make Refined Yarn and combine with Beeswax to make Refined Canvas.

If you ever have Alum, farm Resin and buy/farm Course-Grained Animal Hides from Boars in the Asteria Plains to make Refined Hard Leather.

[wind pelican]

with the new homestead commission gathering do we have an ideal gather that would be best used for that daily? or will it depend on your leveling target

[normal sapphire]

It will depend on your leveling target. It drops materials at the same rate as manually gathering so it's just a little extra on top--you should set it to gather whatever you're normally gathering.

That said, some nodes are awkward to manually gather. Alpine Flax and Meteorite Ore (T1) spawn in sets of 5 so you have to wait for respawns before gathering. You could commission those to avoid this.

If you're just trying to maximize HS coin value, Windchime Birch is best but it's going to take over a week per Artisanry lvl if that's all you do.

[normal sapphire]

I guess the question now is do I try to edit everything here or make a new thread? I'm leaning towards new thread since almost all of the info is outdated.

[undone hinge]

Probably a new thread would be better.

Especially since I've noticed that there are also some SEA players here and they could still profit from your S1 research 👀

[normal sapphire]

That's a really good point. I'll definitely make a new thread then.

[wind pelican]

resaults for windchime 11 engrams as well

im doing a granite set and ill post it tmw

[normal sapphire]

If we collect enough of those, we can gets tons of drop rate data without any slaving away on my part

[dusky quail]

I'm down for providing homestead commission data. I don't really mind which one, as long as it's something that benefits the intelligence classes in some way... So, which commodity should I provide data for?

[normal sapphire]

Any node that benefits your training works. If it has Limpid Azure Water, even better. I suspect the drop rate for that is actually 185% but the high variability means I need an astronomical sample size to whittle down the margin of error.

S2 guide is up. Time for lunch. https://discord.com/channels/594431022188331008/1463656880579805360

[rotund phoenix]

@normal sapphire I saw that baru ore has a 1100% drop rate. Does this mean on average, gathering with focus drops you 11x ore? Does this drop rate take into account the 30% chance to drop 1x more ore when focused gathering (ie is this base rate or adjusted rate)?

[dusky quail]

You can think of it as closer to 11.3 drops per gather, if your tracking the output like I do

That extra .3 is accounting for the 30% mastery bonus

[odd falcon]

can you do this in s1? I'm playing in sea

[odd falcon]

like me 🙋

is there a doc somewhere? there's no pinned post it seems

[dusky quail]

If you’re asking if you can reach lvl 50 in any of the crafting disciplines in S1… The answer is yes. If I remember right, Sviel had them all maxed by the time lvl 80 gear released…

The S1 guide should be linked in the original post of this thread, if not… I might be able to find a pre-S2 copy on my pc for you

[odd falcon]

oh I see, good to know. we still have 2 months until s2 but I wanna get ahead of this so I won't have to worry in s2 later

I think I found it. Is this it?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hDLIeR0YxzxVtJBqL2ibJnUDvCLH33IQkAjE5c1w3ck/edit?usp=sharing

[dusky quail]

Yes, that’s it