is-station

[nocturne cape]

"Translate to English" is randomly funny

[chrome tangle]

ikr

i was originally gonna crop that out

[gaunt bay]

Translate to English

[copper orchid]

[sinful sparrow]

Baikiko

[low vortex]

[sinful sparrow]

omg hi pregnant male

🟢

[sinful sparrow]

hi babe

[low vortex]

gm mika

🟩

[halcyon flame]

DMs

[rotund copper]

Does this thing just not work??

my hoshiguma still gets stunned does it not count as status resistance?

[sinful sparrow]

have you.. read what status resistance does?

its, -50% duration

[errant siren]

I guess you don't have a single clue, what StatusRES REALLY DOES.

[rotund copper]

Yeah I DONT FUCKING HAVE

THERE IS LITERALLY NO WHERE TO READ IT IN GAME FOR ME

[errant siren]

Then don't yell this thing doesn't work.

[sinful sparrow]

resistance also isn’t “immune”

so

idk man

sounds like a you problem

[rotund copper]

I literally marked it as question and not factual statement

does god forbid y'all from answering questions normally without mocking?

[errant siren]

No.

Not with me anyway

[flint token]

channel hasnt been very friendly ever since they outlawed gooning

[obsidian haven]

goober

[faint rampart]

so IS players are toxic, i see😢

[stray igloo]

:roswao:

[tired wyvern]

Finally

Need to o 2 more runs, and can finally level 60 haruka and do this week sidequest 😭

[sinful sparrow]

did someone say haruka?

[grim turtle]

Is their anyways to give myself coins

And choose

[open finch]

Feesh

[stray dove]

the combat matrix #1 ain't joking around

i just tried a few

[chrome tangle]

?

Its in the game

You just find the ops

that give/have status resistance

Ceylon has been in the game since like 2 or so months since the game launched

this is not new info

[chrome tangle]

Gimme a couple of days

[analog maple]

I want to ask something. What kind of stage i will get if o choose 1st option?

[chrome tangle]

https://tomimi.dev/en/stages/ISW-SP_Duck_and_Yi

i think*

[analog maple]

Thank you very much

[errant siren]

Battle enforce.

[errant siren]

Map is this.

[stray dove]

I've never had difficulty with Duck Lord's F6 map at all

it's like so underwhelming after what you've been through already

the only difficulty at all is Wang's debuffs during the fight

[rotund copper]

I don't have them built

Hence "for me"

[chrome tangle]

time to build one

[tired wyvern]

Overt

D10

[rotund copper]

fuck no

literally no real reason to build therapist medic

[chrome tangle]

why does bro hate purestream

[stray dove]

you build her like you build Meyja back in Adele

it's not about their role

it's about how good they are in healing shit

[chrome tangle]

id say purestream is pretty pog for costing 0 hope

[stray dove]

shes THE best medic option in 4*

[chrome tangle]

big range

nice heals

[rotund copper]

I will give purestream a pass but why would I ever build shit like ceylon

[chrome tangle]

you would not

[stray dove]

Hell, lets go back farther. It's as if we're back to UT and we raise Lumen cause he had the best HPS

[chrome tangle]

ur ass did not raise Lumen

aintnoway jusan

[stray dove]

you underestimating how old my account is?

[chrome tangle]

no not that

i know u old

[stray dove]

oh i'm 1 year younger than you

[chrome tangle]

i got 8 certs

or was it 5

for p7

[chrome tangle]

show ur acquisiton

[stray dove]

acquisition of what?

Lumen?

[chrome tangle]

ur ops in general

[stray dove]

what is even interesting about it?

[chrome tangle]

le SA + Siege reroll

im just asking!

[stray dove]

SA + ANYTHING was my goal

as long as it ain't Shining

[chrome tangle]

funny thing to say good sir

oh wait

i got shining so far back

she's on my 3rd set of ops

[rotund copper]

these 5 stars slop

should I build lunacub

[stray dove]

i wouldn't recommend it

unless you really just like her

[rotund copper]

who should i

[stray dove]

why not show who you have

or 5* you haven't raised

[rotund copper]

6 pages of unbuilt 5 stars

[stray dove]

ok lets go with the usual suspects of decent 5* options for IS

lemme just open my acct

[chrome tangle]

so, she's really weird. She's a shit April/Firewatch where she does no damage and fails to perform as well as either.

[stray dove]

Canta, Surfer, Amiya, Greyyter (IS5-only), Ptilo (in general, casual use only), Quercus (when you're truly desperate to heal anything and 6* isn't reachable), Rose Salt, Silence (IS5 Quilon), Warf (in general use but not necessary), Shamare (when you might want an ATK debuffer), Wild Mane (IS3 Izumik)

[rotund copper]

[lost anchor]

anyone got entel I can borrow?

[scenic igloo]

is it actually possible to get raidain module cause oml

[stray dove]

yeah?

i mean you're here where IS regulars do high difficulties on the regular

[severe oasis]

d10 is low diff actually

[hazy orchid]

Ive only picked the first option with the 50% max hp and attack for candleguest, what does the other 2 options do?

[faint rampart]

#is-station message

[faint rampart]

i think one of the acc has her

lemme check

[stray dove]

indeed

[faint rampart]

modlvl1 only unfortunately

[wheat ridge]

That sweet

[sly harness]

Don't save shitty vouchers . also generally prioritizing Bosky on f3, it has more value (although if Bosky and Pathfinder are connected just take them both). between f2 and f4 Pathfinder you will have a lot of opportunities to actually get useful vouchers

[sinful sparrow]

Put the logos pram2 in the bags

[alpine solar]

i thought people said bosky was more improtant on 2/4/5

cause u get more candles

[stray dove]

2 and 4 are guaranteed bosky ends so you just align yourself with pathfinder

there's no such thing as "priority" by that point

[pastel saffron]

its not a crime to skip f3 bosky either

it just depends on how run looks

same thing with f5 bosky

[sinful sparrow]

you dont have to take f3 bosky if there are juicier path

[sly harness]

Skipping f3 Bosky can significantly lower your chances to find ed2 and generally the value of f3 Pathfinder usually isn't high because you rarely can save 3/4 useful vouchers

You can also use Bosky to get 1 Candleguest while still getting 2 Candles for the Bosky

[sinful sparrow]

but it still comes down to your macro skill on “when is a path juicy to skip bosky”

[sly harness]

Finding a better path than Bosky when your shop is robbed would be hard

[sinful sparrow]

and usually, yeah, chances are you don’t get a juicier path than bosky

the most consistent gameplan would be playing something that can clear F2 bosky combats, so you can path to every good node on F3

then you are less concerned about whether to skip or not

[rich thorn]

Wtf is this map

[remote badger]

4 difficulties

[sly harness]

cc for Caster + defender to stall the car = a lot Ingots (or Raidian just solo)

[chrome tangle]

a fun one

yato s3 goes brr in the middle

[sonic sable]

Pre dlc 1 juicy paths r very rare

[sly harness]

post dlc1 you will just take both, Bosky + Pathfinder

[lost anchor]

had drum + stirfry + aspd coin + aspd candle, died to foot 😭 I forgot I needed HP to leak the stupid furniture

[sonic sable]

Why does pre dlc give so mant coupons when vertical paths r so rare??

[sly harness]

to retoss your Coins and get 10 stacks on Drum on f6

[sonic sable]

[sly harness]

or get node rerolling coin and play Talons in IS6

[stray dove]

if you think verticals are the only way to use coupons, you haven't played enough

To another topic

I'm now no longer regretting going through with getting Haruka

she's carrying my ass in Combat Matrix squads

same goes for my investments to AH squad I don't play much

[meager pier]

My very

Two lucky moment

ros one uhmm

I lost the is

💔

[sonic sable]

If you have not ended with excess coupons at f6 u have not played enough

[sly harness]

you don't end up with a lot of coupons that often

You have to highroll to get the excess, an average run will give you about 15 Coupons

[sonic sable]

Really? It's pretty common for me to end up with 8 to 9 excess coupons

[sly harness]

I rarely have that much left in Raidian less 23 runs. Usually, when I have more, I waste it on retossing coins because I need to get "that one coin" to have a better chance with ed2

[faint rampart]

[sonic sable]

Guess raidian makes all the difference

[stray dove]

have you not tried revisiting Ji's trade shops (in later floors) and rerolling them with coupons or something?

always had the best Tongbao rolls in the final floor that you don't need to constantly retoss for best coins?

another way you're getting a lot of coupons and not being able to spend them is:

• you did most of your Turmoil clears very late in the run

[empty gulch]

how tf u got 3 EM in a row?

[sly harness]

She definitely changes that a bit. It's much harder to roll low with her, and she has better matchups in Turmoils, so it's easier to get Coupons

[stray dove]

tongbao node-reroll coin

i reckon

Tongbaos are so good...

they're so well designed to be easily removable enemy debuffs or one-off perks

to even top-tier relic-type effects

[sly harness]

this and ~40 Coupons to keep retossing coins and refresh more

[stray dove]

there's so many ways to really squeeze the value of the excess resource you get in IS6

maybe the only excesses you really can't spend well enough are the latter vouchers you no longer need

[sly harness]

not entirely. while playing without Raidian and trying to run 23 you don't have enough Candles to fully utilize all of Bosky's capabilities

also in most Raidian less runs you are not able to recover LP so you only visit the Bosky shop once per run (on f2)

[stray dove]

well, isn't Tianshi looking to be real good in expansions?

it's one of the more picked squads in CN that's for sure

I hear 3 squads constantly based on Cube's posts here

Tianshi, Tourist, and "Shop"

[sly harness]

dlc1 will already provide some new options for obtaining Candles (e.g. entering Bosky thrue shop and coin that refresh node into Bosky). I'm more focused on what we currently have

[stray dove]

yeah right now we are at our weakest

although the strength that will be given to us by expansions have been given the ultimate challenge of Ed5 heh

[sly harness]

yeah, dlc1 only brings with it the need to ban more characters than just Raidian, Wis, Exu

[stray dove]

until it's unbanned for Ed5

unless CN solves it enough that they get back to banning a lot of ops

[sly harness]

I doubt it will be optimized to the point where many bans will be a thing again, but I'm most curious about Raidian

[stray dove]

when a boss is so dangerous and truly made to test the most absurdly broken of IS6 runs, unbanning happens

[sinful sparrow]

raidian ban seems, fine actually?

since you get +1 voucher conserve limit with dlc2

so you’re back to 4

[sinful sparrow]

Tianshi is the new def/supp in terms of consistency in DLC2

Proxy, Tourist is also good

[drowsy notch]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[sinful sparrow]

I believe Proxy is really really really good if played right

me personally it’s a pretty steep curve to learn the squad

[sly harness]

But her power for f2 Bosky definitely is still unmatched.

[sinful sparrow]

tianshi is more straightforward

yes thats true

but surely if you’re playing bans you know what you’re doing

proxy also lets you get a strong e2 carry (eg hoshi) for f2 bosky (through rng) anyways, and you have the option to skip bosky combats until later in the run and just farm non combats

[sly harness]

And the extra node revealed can help a lot with shitty layout. But ye, maybe not that important with proxy because you can snowball even without turmoils

[stray dove]

I am very intrigued by Proxy or even the power of Exp2 Tourist

[sly harness]

Surely you have Raidian to carry you. and at least this is not early f4

[sinful sparrow]

tourist needs you to hit the option to toss your entire coffer away, or drop the wincon tongbaos somewherr

Or its just a regular squad with more coupons to work eith

[stray dove]

yeah i heard from Cube that it needs to get into more fights

for more coin drops

does it also consistently go to Plan nodes?

[sinful sparrow]

thats just how you play tourist in general

idk i dont play it

i played def/supp until dlc2 and then i play tianshi

[stray dove]

as a special squad player, i wonder what would be my bread and butter in Exp2

[sinful sparrow]

also pathfinder is turbo piss with -1 hope now instead of -2
so it’s really not that important between combat-wise and using vouchers anymore

🥀

this shit is so slop

special squad L

0 econ 0 scale

class squad but worse

eat shit

[stray dove]

one of its strength was less leaks for F1 Rob. But since Exp1 has better value keeping Cannot alive for longer

yeah that advantage is fucking lost

[sinful sparrow]

aint noone robbing f1 post dlc bro

[stray dove]

indeed

[sly harness]

Special and Def/Sup are the best squads of pre dlc if you care about 23 win rate without banning Raidian

[sinful sparrow]

everyone rob f3 on dlc1 or f6

and you just rob f6 on dlc2

[stray dove]

so if the plan is F3 robbing

you just beeline the Shop in F3

and consider potential verticals of that lane before/after rob?

[sly harness]

This shop will also be a Bosky entry with 3 Candles

[stray dove]

i mean

thats the very reason you spare Cannot in F1

that very item

is what keeps him alive longer

[sly harness]

guaranteeing e2 Raidian for f2 Bosky is most important. And tbf it will still be relevant if you don't ban Raidian in dlc1

[sinful sparrow]

because 1st shop adds a 4 ingot relic that candles an operator instantly

so regardlesd you’ll get e2 raidian for f2 bosky

[sly harness]

But you can be stuck with e1 if you don't get a voucher, right?

[sinful sparrow]

assuming special squad you start e2 Raidian no?

[stray dove]

defsupp....

[sinful sparrow]

And def/supp, yes, theres the off-chance of being unlucky

And you’re stucked with e1 raidian into f2 bosky

[sly harness]

Yes but with this "regardless" I thought that you were talking about any Squad

And i mean you have the guarantee Candleguests Raidian for f2 Bosky with these 2 squads even now

Thanks to pathfinder combat/the free option to get a Candelguest

[stray dove]

It's hilarious how different exp1 meta will feel
like it feels like the same experience i had with IS5 transitioning from Doodle speedruns to King encounter -> Lamp Lamp Lamp

[sly harness]

With the dlc1 item it shop it will be a bit better because you will be able to get 4 extra ops from f2 Pathfinder

[sinful sparrow]

dlc1 is pretty unserious

[sly harness]

Yep I will need to optimize Ente + Leizi + Amita for f2 Bosky

[sinful sparrow]

def/supp is strong even without raidian because well

hoshi

hoshi my goat

[sly harness]

But Trag... Trag is Trag

[stray dove]

I mean sure. It ain't a Quilon

[sly harness]

(it is 2 + 3 still)

[stray dove]

I remember when DefSupp strength in IS2 was Ling Mudrock Horn

[marble laurel]

how to clear this with my squad

[pastel saffron]

[pastel saffron]

what difficulty is this

[marble laurel]

alr cleared it nvm

[pastel saffron]

didnt know wis could steamroll phantom like that

[stray dove]

GODDAMN! congrats

the only true danger there was

if Phantom dodged most of Wis' attacks

but you can turn that off by baiting his blink

and then blocking him afterwards

[marble laurel]

yeah idk maybe beginner's luck

[stray dove]

at least you now have some knowledge of that boss fight

[pastel saffron]

that was what I was thinking too lol

[quick pond]

Can I encounter the LP Pot twice? Cause I just got in on F4 and wondering if I can at least get it again in the Bosky

[errant siren]

I never met pot twice per run.

Looks like one time.

[slate hull]

I had it twice in one run

I think it is insanely rare, but it can happen

[quick pond]

Yeah cause I know getting Campfire, Graveyard, and Amber multiple times is possible

[slate hull]

oh wait, do you mean the water pot? I thought you meant the lp recovery pot

[quick pond]

No just the Prayer for Lrotection Encounter

[grizzled nexus]

Is it just me or that sometimes after clearing a run there will be NEW notification in IS6 archive but when you see it there is nothing new unlocked?

[quick pond]

Oh yeah its damn annoying as a completionist

[grizzled nexus]

a recurring bug then

[slate hull]

I think it is a bug with Raidian's progression, it started after I got her to max level

[stray dove]

for me that ended a long time ago

maybe it runs out after multiple triggers of it

what pisses me off more is when a run ends, it tries to go in a darkened screen

that was supposed to show Raidian EXP leveling up

but it still happens even after she's capped

[slate hull]

oh, now I am confusing different bugs, reading comprehension is not doing well today

[grizzled nexus]

[stray dove]

It's hilarious that my module caps, level caps, and multiple M3s now feel less regretful

after they got their value out of high risk content

[bronze vale]

Is there any cheese Strat on is4?

[stray dove]

yeah....

it's called using Geexu and Wis

Hoshitter too

don't know if Trag feels amazing in IS4

i guess he is

he is the best solution to Khagan now

[bronze vale]

Really dawg

[stray dove]

you'd be surprised how easy IS4 is

in high diffs

with the strongest ops of today

[bronze vale]

Im on diff 5 and i cant guarantee my win on every run💔

[stray dove]

you're still learning map knowledge i reckon

[remote badger]

keep learning

[stray dove]

map knowledge carries hard in IS

[bronze vale]

[stray dove]

IS4 is very straightforward

the only optimization you can do is just making the best out of Foldartal use

and going through EVERY Bosky

maybe once you're more comfortable or the run feels like it won't lose, rob Cannot in latter floors

[woeful anchor]

do u have tragodia

[lost anchor]

is the the runner guy

[woeful anchor]

he invalidates the boss

and as well as 90% of other maps

[bronze vale]

Yes

[woeful anchor]

tragodia gaming time

point trag at boss

boss no longer attacks anymore

[lost anchor]

trag broken af

[stray dove]

unless it's specific routes in IS6

[lost anchor]

yeah past content just have no idea of balancing against cat

[bronze vale]

The boss is not that hard ITS THE STAGE BEFORE THE BOSS💔

[stray dove]

which IS?

[stray dove]

I think it's already good enough that cat drag has a cap

[woeful anchor]

do u have mizuki and angelina

[bronze vale]

I don't have Mizuki but i have ascalon

[woeful anchor]

do u have angelina

[bronze vale]

And I don't think i have angelina

[woeful anchor]

rough

asca isnt worth tbh

u should dobule check if u have angelina

shes stronger than logos as arts dps

while having very good crowd control

🚬

[bronze vale]

Dawg

Should i get wisadel as a starter or angelina

[pastel saffron]

why regret, its still bragging rights

sure my M9 Saria never sees use but regret is a strong word

[woeful anchor]

wisadel

angelina is dogshit at e1

[stray dove]

i thought it's because I would no longer get my motivation to do high risk content ever again

[woeful anchor]

exu alter good starter too if u dont have her

[stray dove]

but it wasn't CCB that revived it

[pastel saffron]

ts so real, I rarely leak after knowing maps, leaking is forbidden

[stray dove]

but the perma Matrix #1

[bronze vale]

Aight i just need my rng to be good enough dawg

[pastel saffron]

Oh

[bronze vale]

For other OPS like tragodia

[pastel saffron]

real, I did 7-18 max it was fun

LS 4 ranged seems pretty brutal cant even lie

without pots

[stray dove]

I will do it once I finish giving Shu S1M3

[pastel saffron]

the dp issue insane

[stray dove]

I did H9-2 r25 successfully. And it was bliss because it was a burn team

against Dublinn's burn team

[pastel saffron]

[pastel saffron]

that and 7-18 seem the easiest

H5-1 is harsh

lemon abooz time

[stray dove]

4 ops for r15 for H5-1 for me

but r25 needs way way more stuff i don't have

unless i find alternatives that don't use more than 1 ops i don't have or have less pot gating

[pastel saffron]

if u don't do low op its pretty doable

just add 4 sui and u win

this what I did for 7-18

[stray dove]

When i say needs more stuff, the ops I'm seeing uses 2 or more ops I dont have

7-18 25 is no issue. I'm close to the solution. But I need Shu S1M3

[halcyon flame]

Wanna use mine

?

My shu is P6 M9 Mod3 because of IS4

[cyan pasture]

whats the mechanic of ending 3 is6

[halcyon flame]

Everytime u place an operator a ball spawns in a random adjacent tile

The balls do damage over time

If ur operator gets surrounded by 4 balls they become stunned and cannot be retreated

Until you free them

The boss will occasionally summon balls as well

If you phase the boss

And then destroy all the balls on the map

The boss insta dies

Otherwise you can also just kill him normally

[cyan pasture]

Phase?

[halcyon flame]

Kill his first health bar

[cyan pasture]

so basically using ujots like Laptop to attach his balls? or are they checker tiles?

basically any aoe should deal eith his balls?

[halcyon flame]

Yes

[cyan pasture]

Neato

[halcyon flame]

Be aware that summons also summon balls

[cyan pasture]

how many enemies are their to be leaked?

[halcyon flame]

Like Wis turrets ros pillars etc

Leizi herself will not summon a ball when placed until she lands on the ground

[halcyon flame]

Check tomimi.dev for the number

Idr off the top of my head

[cyan pasture]

Ahhh i see i see, anything deployed on the ground summons balls

leizer is probably untargettable due to lift off

also means it isnt immediate too, so sky ranger with enough sp can avoid summoning balls for a few seconds

[halcyon flame]

support items wont spawn them

[cyan pasture]

I see i see

[halcyon flame]

idr if the box is an item as a support but if it is that prob does summon a ball

but things like crane and sp station wont

do you have yato alter but any chance

[cyan pasture]

Yes i have Yalter

[halcyon flame]

yalter s3 has an interaction where you can retreat her after her skill animation finished and before she touches the ground

and she wont summon a ball

[cyan pasture]

Ooo i see i see

so she deals damage to balls then retreat her before she summons her owm

[halcyon flame]

haruka also trivializes ed3 healing needs

yea

[cyan pasture]

s2 i assume?

[halcyon flame]

s2 yes

and gummy can tank the boss easily

[cyan pasture]

Neato, shes gonna m3 it in a few hours

[halcyon flame]

so you dont need a big body

[cyan pasture]

probbaky just aoe damage

Like s3 mizuki and ascalon

I should e2 mizuki someday

I think i have some built characters that can fit for ball clearing

i think i can whip out passenger s3 for his area coverage

[sinful sparrow]

:turia:

[errant siren]

Tutunya

[sonic sable]

Honestly how do u even practically ckear all balls? So many

[halcyon flame]

i play cheeto core

• drafted yato a lot

and sakiko

and ros

so

i have a lot of range and aoe

i dont think something like gvg could do it for example

@sly harness fact check

[sonic sable]

I also have problems clearing the casters with fish sometimes

[sonic sable]

I tried cheeto core but cheeto does like no dmg in later floors

[halcyon flame]

is6 relic environment is so rich that should be very rare

even without relics theres coins

[sonic sable]

On avg i end up with 30 to 40 relics. At d15. Is that avg?

[halcyon flame]

i think so?

idk i played raidian ban for so long i forgot

cube made fun of me the other day because i forgot how to use hoshi in bosky

because ive had her banned for a long time

[nocturne cape]

🟢 brother never played hoshi in his life

[sly harness]

Normally you don't clear the balls (although idk maybe you can do something with Ente S2 + Swire if you roll a bit higher), but if you pivot Yato alter you can do it easily

[sinful sparrow]

gm

and gn for me

[nocturne cape]

Hi fish eggs

[sly harness]

With Raidian should be something like 40-50

Without her 30-45

[pastel saffron]

50 relics avg? c

chat I might be doing smth wrong

[nocturne cape]

50 sounds a bit high as an average

But 40 ish is doable

[pastel saffron]

yeah should be around that for me

[halcyon flame]

I did!

With s2 and Archetto !

[nocturne cape]

Gigampreg

[sinful sparrow]

bruh misclicking the gamble option in ed2

🫃

[nocturne cape]

Brother said gn like a full hour ago

Now bro’s whiffing ed2

[sinful sparrow]

i cant sleep!

[nocturne cape]

Average IS6 dlc2 experience

[gaunt bay]

Cube

[open finch]

Surely there are better activities to do than integrated strategies to induce sleep

[halcyon flame]

Havent yoy gone to sleep thinking about relicless before

[open finch]

I go to sleep thinking about you

But yes

[quick pond]

What floor does Liu'er drop

Is it only floor 3?

[open finch]

The original instinct contamination clear unironically came to me in a dream

It was kinda wild

[nocturne cape]

2-4

[halcyon flame]

I keep you up at night

Dumbass

[nocturne cape]

Tsundere?

[cold fjord]

he can play ulpian gladiaa

👍

[open finch]

👍

[open finch]

Big if true

[quick pond]

Ok so I just need to get the Amber Node after this to get the relic yes?

[sinful sparrow]

the alternative is sleeping with @halcyon flame

but he aint doing it

[open finch]

😔

Life isn't fair

[gaunt bay]

[steel relic]

[pastel saffron]

first is normal 2nd is emergency right?

[steel relic]

Yes

[pastel saffron]

do u know the name of stage btw

I wanna see if I can take on emergency

while having hand of sui

[sly harness]

https://tomimi.dev/en/stages/ISW-SP_Calamitous_Punishment

[pastel saffron]

oh my god

its the dragon stage

LMAO

[sly harness]

EM gives you a "safe" range tile

[pastel saffron]

Haruka S3 would be so good here but I have lose max sp on deploy

how to beat it

hoshi should be able to right

[sly harness]

Collectibles

[pastel saffron]

so if ai am not stacked dont bother?

[sly harness]

Relicless it will be really hard

[sly harness]

e.g. Yato alter, Leizi are big

[pastel saffron]

don't question my drafts, I play with feeling

I think I got this maybe

[sly harness]

It may be possible if you Exu can survive 1 dragon

Place Exu and bait hits with bodies until you can get her skill up

She will open range tiles

[steel relic]

“Don’t question my drafts” you have Hoshi Raidian Exu bruh you could draft Vigil and I wouldn’t give it a second thought cuz the game is unloseable

[pastel saffron]

nah bro people would see penance and immediately judge

they dont know ball

ok I won

Haruka S3 yay

[sly harness]

The only thing I can question is lack of masteries on Ente S3

[steel relic]

I am judging the fact she’s not m9

[earnest shuttle]

I am judging why ambriel is in there

[pastel saffron]

She's p6

so like I am 98% there

trust

[pastel saffron]

I had max conserved and got a sniper voucher with 0 hope on me

So I took ambriel

[earnest shuttle]

tragic

[pastel saffron]

coz f3 boss was the flying one

Maybe totter would be better

but ambriel is cute

[earnest shuttle]

:ggnod:

[quick pond]

Does picking Max LP block me from getting The collectable?

Apparantly not

Anyways, I Finally Got it

[scenic igloo]

anyone have recommendations for a 5 star caster to use?

or even a 4 star?

[nocturne cape]

medic amiya

[scenic igloo]

amiya can be a medic?

[nocturne cape]

if you finished ch14

[slate hull]

click is usually the classic 4* caster pick

[sly harness]

Leizi (you don't use her just pick her because she is Yan)

Oh and Nightmare

[carmine token]

what is tis cope

worse then using podenco as a healer

[sly harness]

Hit count

She can solve the Spearheads on the left in ed2

[carmine token]

gigacope

[sly harness]

So you can go from -17 to -7

[grizzled nexus]

Finally got Three Legged Goldfowl.
Liu'Er is such a troll.

Was afraid that there is no Amber Legend after getting that Wooden Lump.

[sly harness]

Certainly a known ultra rare collectible

[grizzled nexus]

My best Tongbao roll of today.
It's like they're just avoiding everything

[gentle pagoda]

death

[carmine token]

[lost anchor]

-2 limit sucks but dp shouldn't be a problem

[sly harness]

Depends. If this is for ed2 DP will be a huge problem

[gentle pagoda]

this is just for floor 3 boss

anyway I just have lappilap s3 so it should go fine

aiming for a simple ed1 clear for the last raidian talent upgrades

this tho

[prime mountain]

Keep the talisman generator alive to get dp

!

Crazy tech

[gentle pagoda]

solved the issue

[nocturne cape]

Ulpianus known best vanguard

[slate hull]

s3 is 25s cooldown iirc, assuming you make it redeploy consistently that is better dp gen than pioneer vanguards

now imagine if by some miracle you get this guy to go between 2 vag tiles, that is 20dp every 25s

[sly harness]

Leizi + 10 DP on kill with Talisman is 20 DP per Talisman

[gentle pagoda]

ironically having both dp coins active gives you the dp startup to get myrtle going, so I just capped at 129 dp early

[sly harness]

Just find one near the border of the map

[gentle pagoda]

camouflage hard counters the talisman curse

[ivory hemlock]

is there a reason why some stages only complete a few seconds after you kill all enemies

[slate hull]

no idea, I have that happen sometimes and I am still not sure what triggers it

might be talisman spawns because I tend to notice it on maps that have those

[ivory hemlock]

true

[slate hull]

I had it stuck on veteran actor quite a few times and it is the only f1 map that has those flying enemy spawn points that release talismans

[stray dove]

camouflage counters your ability to do FOs with that camo'd ops

[prime mountain]

Yeah its cause summoned enemies dont count for stage end so it has some wacky timing there

[gentle pagoda]

fo?

[stray dove]

faceoff

[gentle pagoda]

what do you mean

[stray dove]

drop wis E2

you have Hour that attaches talisman when sniper drops

[gentle pagoda]

Oh, I found it

[stray dove]

talisman can't find Wis

Talisman goes to blue box of FO

you lose immediately

because of how HG coded FO lose condition

[slate hull]

wait, is that seriously what happens?

you put wis on the operator select square and then it spawns the talisman after wis is gone?

[late pecan]

Doesnt this get counter-acted by choosing Special Squad with free +2 Deploy Limit

[sly harness]

-2 Deployment slots isn't impactful in most places (especially if you play with Raidian)

[stray dove]

it gets counteracted the moment Raidian hits F4 onwards

you just really have to cross your fingers it won't shit on you in F2/F3

[gentle pagoda]

especially since I just unlocked d9 that removes an extra dep slot

[sly harness]

The only two places where it will really annoy you are pathfinder combats (the initial deployment limit in them is 4) and ed3 maybe ed2 (but this is also mainly about playing without Raidian)

[late pecan]

Ahhh interesting. Gotcha.

[stray dove]

yeah I'm gonna miss Special Squad perks like more deployment limit for Pathfinder fights because it'll be of lower value when expansion hits

[sly harness]

Playing with 4 deployment slots on f2 and f3 is not bad, problem only f3 bosses are a bit annoying

[stray dove]

that is usually what would kill the run

the F3 boss

with the triad being the ones that's most difficult

actually using only 4 drops against Fisherman is fucking rough

[sly harness]

Funnily I think that here Raidian is at a bigger disadvantage then other carries

[slate hull]

f3 bosses and that one stage with the vines are where you feel deployment limits the most

[sly harness]

I think you can be fine with just 3 Raidian summons

[stray dove]

i feel it the most in pathfinder fights

[sly harness]

Just cycle your skills properly

[stray dove]

because i do F4+ pathfinder fights for bell stacks

hell, pathfinder fights I heard is the preferred in Exp2?

because of D17-18 weakening the hope discounts of conserving vouchers?

[sly harness]

I don't think so

Like ofc you will recruit more out of pathfinder

But being able to get 4 Candleholders from one node is better than only 1 or 2

[stray dove]

i remember Cube or maybe Fish Eggs talking to me about it

like to them

1 candleholder that's E2'd is enough for F2 Turmoil options

[sly harness]

Also depends whether you are going for 245 or 235

For ed3 you will need more Candelguest

[stray dove]

here's the thing

don't you just need like

4-5 ops for Wang?

i can imagine the value of just only candling the bare necessities to get more value out of pathfinder

and there's also relics that candle ops too

iirc they talked like it's consistent

[sly harness]

I guess. You need to highroll to play ed5 so probably this can be enough. But idk how hard it is with all d18 extra mobs

I just saw a shit tone of Wallbreakers once

And much more invisible enemies

[stray dove]

thats T3 Ed5

a lot of wallbreakers asap

[sly harness]

Just Ente + Leizi is enough for this one .... Without a second proper carry it will be rough because Raidian needs those slots

[stray dove]

and then boom, 8 serpent bodies appear too

[sly harness]

Nah ed3 also has extra waves of Wallbreakers

[stray dove]

the ones that weren't at the start are fine

[sly harness]

They are the part of d18 extra enemies modifier

[stray dove]

wait

how does that work btw?

is it like Net that it spawns it as last?

or does it just do whatever?

[sly harness]

Whatever

[stray dove]

like a Risk option in CC/Matrix

lul

that type of modifier

might as well be stronger than Net

[sly harness]

But wasn't Net also during stage?

It also had variants

It wasn't just extra enemies in the end

[stray dove]

most commonly it was just spawning the new shit as the last enemy

[sly harness]

Like Shady Frozen Sea adds friendly cars at the beginning

[stray dove]

you can ask the sweatlords for better details/comparison of the two

those guys kept doing Sentinel so they must've memorized a lot

[stray dove]

iirc wasn't that just either a different variant or an emer?

[sly harness]

e.g. this guy at the beginning is from net

[gentle pagoda]

what's the best timing to do the ed3 lock?

[sly harness]

f4

[cold fjord]

It adds 16 wallbreakers

and 6 invis guys

[sly harness]

I've never seen so many Wallbreakers in one stage

[cold fjord]

but they come in waves of 4

[gentle pagoda]

gotta love failing 2 battles on floor 2 dream

[sly harness]

And ~ +50% HP, ~ +100% ATK

So is the ~5 ops realistic for that?

[gentle pagoda]

gg, that was a wasted dream

[cold fjord]

5 ops but you have 100+ relics

[sly harness]

wtf Lappland

[cold fjord]

so i'd say yes
since even then

[gentle pagoda]

I wish I had gotten that just then

[sly harness]

Average amount post dlc2

[cold fjord]

you can just use more ops

cuz the -50% stats debuff gets cancelled by how much atk buffs you have anyways

so you can just ignore it

[gentle pagoda]

what else

[sly harness]

Just Raidian it

[gentle pagoda]

lmao

this is floor 2

I didn't get any vouchers

[sly harness]

But you are using a special squad right?

[gentle pagoda]

ye

[sly harness]

So you can get her e2 at the start

And then force her to be a candleguest through combat or the other free option

[gentle pagoda]

that doesn't change anything, she can't be guest without a voucher

[sly harness]

She solos most of the Turmoils

[sly harness]

She should be able to win most/all of the f2 Pathfinder combats

[gentle pagoda]

pathfinder? You mean turmoil?

[sly harness]

No Pathfinder combat

[cold fjord]

no

[gentle pagoda]

what

[cold fjord]

pf combat

[gentle pagoda]

what is pathfinder

[sly harness]

The combat to turn an operator into a Candleguest

[gentle pagoda]

where do you get that

[cold fjord]

pathfinder is the saved vouchers node

[sly harness]

The node you see at the beginning of f2

[sly harness]

Unlock the thing at the bottom here

[gentle pagoda]

ooh, right, I can use a life to candle an op without vouchers once per run

[cold fjord]

yes
tho doing a combat is more optimal

[gentle pagoda]

no combat

[sly harness]

This is free

No life points needed

[dim oar]

I remember there is coin with combat and getting struck by lightning continuous if survive become candle holder

[nocturne cape]

thats a tongbao

[gentle pagoda]

I can't really use that yeah

[nocturne cape]

leifapunishment

[dim oar]

Ya it is not that bad

[sly harness]

It is very strong

[gentle pagoda]

dream curio+sp ring+sp battery on lappilap is funni

[dim oar]

The defend risk tongbao with the increase of defense per toss good

[sly harness]

Works great with Bells and the stamp that gives you stats per Candleholder in the squad because you can easily get a full squad of Candleholders

[gentle pagoda]

perma s3

[sly harness]

If you toss it like 10 times ye sure

[dim oar]

Was doing milking Ling end up having 60+ time

[gentle pagoda]

also this is my current build

[sly harness]

I mean it is not bad even without that but to get a real value from it you need to toss it a lot and then get it for ed2

[sly harness]

Okey but this is not a real run. This doesn't count

[gentle pagoda]

how good is the mirror?

[sly harness]

Can be much better if you enter Bosky with Raidian

[gentle pagoda]

well yeah, if I could

but bosky and candle keep being separate

also no vouchers obv

[sly harness]

I mean with Def/sup or special squads you can just force it no matter what

Then get Amiya when entering Bosky on f2 and you just started a victorious run

[gentle pagoda]

yay, I won my first dream battle at floor 3

and I got the camo crown

[gentle pagoda]

Mmh, for ranged ops, which one is best?

blyatiful

all is forgiven

[sly harness]

Pick all ops and third

[gentle pagoda]

what does it do?

[sly harness]

Operators deal +50% Physical and Arts damage against Apparitions.

The strongest thing you can get from this encounter outside of Bosky

[gentle pagoda]

0 cost dorothy mines with the summon console goes hard

[gentle pagoda]

nice, does it work against the ed bosses too?

[sly harness]

Yes

[gentle pagoda]

this just keeps on going

[sly harness]

Console does nothing here because her mines use her attack to calculate damage

[gentle pagoda]

the point is to boost raidian

I can cap out on the 10 summons easily that way

[sly harness]

Okey, this should work

[gentle pagoda]

esp since they cost 0 and halved rdp time

game thought it could screw me over for ed3

HOWEVER

I have this

[gentle pagoda]

turns out, the console specifically looks for summons

tragedy

gotta love consistency Summon is not = Summons

[slate hull]

I don't know why trapmasters have the summon tag because traps aren't summons

[gentle pagoda]

they are

[prime mountain]

(kinda)

Consistency is a made up concept!

[sly harness]

Depends

They work with Empty Fowlbeast

Summons have +30% HP/ATK and the Operator that summons it has +60% ATK so long as at least one of their summons are on the map.

[gentle pagoda]

whoa, never had that one

[gentle pagoda]

well, I'm showing just above they count as summons for geist bind

but they don't count as summons for the summon console

[manic flint]

what does it mean by via combat

does it mean i need to have this coin first

[prime mountain]

Pathfinder special fight or leifa coin

[manic flint]

i see

[gentle pagoda]

duck hunt is ready

[prime mountain]

This fight so easy on regular its insane

[gentle pagoda]

yeah I don't understand why it is so easy

[prime mountain]

Cause its tuned around EM version

[gentle pagoda]

well, I do appreciate it

how do you get it?

[prime mountain]

iirc its need to have defeated certain amount of bear/duck/thief/rat beforehand?

Unless im confusing

[gentle pagoda]

I had 1-5

so maybe more than 5?

[prime mountain]

Yeah thats more than 5

0 is freebies but no fight

[cold fjord]

Yes

[gentle pagoda]

too bad, at least I got one relic out of it

lol

more damage

[prime mountain]

life points 🤤

[sly harness]

It is still easy

To get it you need to highroll

So I don't see a scenario in which it can be problematic

[gentle pagoda]

🥹

with spinach

crushed clarity so hard

lol?

[prime mountain]

Yeah it does nothing

wack

[gentle pagoda]

funni

[prime mountain]

No secret alt ending

[gentle pagoda]

it's such a weird squad, can't believe I caved in and picked... her

after 3 sniper vouchers I got tired of stashing it

[prime mountain]

Bro you dont even have may in the team

obvious best sniper pick

!

[gentle pagoda]

I chose aciddrop for the double hits on talismans

[prime mountain]

Only on skill with worse range than may?

smh

[gentle pagoda]

but her damage is good for the summon thingie

[fickle jungle]

Already bricked yourself with weaker chen alter mod

[prime mountain]

true...

[gentle pagoda]

absolute chaos

it's like I'm back to RA

I missed 6K atk dorothy

it's been a while, welcome home

[sinful sparrow]

should’ve played ed2 with a highroll

🥀

[gentle pagoda]

ah, nice, 50 aspd for free

[sinful sparrow]

this relic is so goated

🧎‍♂️

[gentle pagoda]

well, goodbye

oof

[stray dove]

I prefer the better solution of

Hoshitter S2 when the first batch of enemies start to be near blue box

needs good relics though

and can't hurt to deploy-nuke ahead of time

[gentle pagoda]

cantabile is on so much steroids she insta skill and over 200 aspd with over +300% atk + exulter aoe chance

and costs 4 dp

I have found the evolution of afknights

I was never told it's an idler game

phase 2

wait, where did he go, was there no phase 2?

[slate hull]

what in the world, you even got fartooth in there

[gaunt bay]

chalter

ok wtf is that fartooth

and skadi 😭

[gentle pagoda]

yeah her s2 is great to aim at the boss and enemies stuck on raidian summons

[gaunt bay]

never cook again

lemuen is right there

[gentle pagoda]

I don't have her

wait, I thought it was a joke, did the boss really skip a phase, what

I just spent the whole fight idling

not bad, despite 5 failed dream battles early

I was wondering why I never saw alterform trinkets. Turns out, that was correct

[flint token]

Resource relics are inhumanly rare in is6 for whatever reason

like bro give me that deploy slot

[lunar knoll]

I did not know the bosky wasn't guaranteed f2

[slate hull]

not just that, you somehow rolled all operations

[faint rampart]

rip, now you do

[fickle jungle]

in his phase 2, if you destroy all flaws, he is automatically defeated

[stray dove]

a restart if I've ever seen one

[slow turtle]

wait this looks so cursed

wait

isnt bosky only guaranteed f1 and f4

[slate hull]

technically yes, but the chances of not seeing it on other floors are really low

[slow turtle]

Ok so like

How do i beat d6

Its a really big difficulty spike cuz the turmoil nodes arent free anymore

[slate hull]

shouldn't enemies only be 1% stronger than in d5? there is not exactly much that changes on d6 aside from the hours of sui

[slow turtle]

It definitely does not feel like that

Also again its a lot harder to get resources easily cuz turmoil nodes actually need me to have good ops

[slate hull]

I'd understand d7 because that is when the enemies lose the hp and atk debuffs they have in bosky, but d6 should be free

[slow turtle]

Wait huh

[slate hull]

as in the same strats should work fine assuming you are not getting bad rolls

[slow turtle]

I thought that was d6

Ok whatever

Do i need to raise cutter for is6 opening or is e1 fine

[slate hull]

you might need to check cube's guide in pins, I have not seen anyone pick cutter for is6

[slow turtle]

Ok my windscoot is e0 lvl 1

And i dont really feel like raising him for this specifically

[fickle jungle]

if you think about it
winscoot might be a legit raise for is6 opens
if you start with guard, supp, medic voucher
winscoot and purestream are counted as yan op, which clears one the doubt node requirement

[slow turtle]

What

Bruh

Ok well that explains it

[slow turtle]

Ok so even if they arent raised is it worth doing just for that alone

Cuz raidian should basically carry f1 by herself already

[fickle jungle]

i guess? if you dont want to do f1 shop rob that is

i just do hums, radian, purestream start and go cry in a corner when 2 yan op doubt node appears early 😄

[halcyon flame]

He’s the optimal start with raidian medic dlc2

You legitimately need his damage on F1

😭

[fickle jungle]

tf?

[slow turtle]

Is it that bad wtf

[halcyon flame]

You use raidian S1 and stall for his skill to cycle on a few maps

Esp ems

[sinful sparrow]

you can live without it

but yeah windscoot good

[halcyon flame]

Live with -4 yep

[sinful sparrow]

🤫

[halcyon flame]

Now how do I take debuff relic!

Fraudulent run

Ff

[fickle jungle]

😢

[sinful sparrow]

snip/med?

or tianshi/proxy

[halcyon flame]

Both smile

[chrome tangle]

omg mart is back

[slow turtle]

Mfw rechord is a mod so i cant bother him about is anymore

[chrome tangle]

yes you can!

@iron orchid

mart misses u

[crimson nest]

More reason to bother him

[sinful sparrow]

:mon3trsmug:

[slow turtle]

@woeful anchor where does hoshiguma alter go for is6 tierlist

[woeful anchor]

up there

if u have her

😇

[severe oasis]

defender voucher saviour

[woeful anchor]

no more penance tech pick

wilted rose emoji

[slow turtle]

I have hoshi and penance

And shu

I should probably just main defender squad lowk

[sinful sparrow]

top

[slow turtle]

Since special squad wants to be a fraud and not let me win

[sinful sparrow]

shes so good

[slow turtle]

Also like

Out of this list

I literally only have the ambushers + logos for the top tier

And raidian but like everyone has raidian

Also is haruka in the good at something tier

Cuz i know shes kinda insane for healing

[severe oasis]

just exu start you dont really need anyone else

[slow turtle]

I dont have her

[severe oasis]

yeah ik so you borrow

exu start on special squad is strong early on

or like, always

[slow turtle]

I just go tragussy

[woeful anchor]

draft hoshi

[severe oasis]

hes fine i prefer him too if im not doing 23

which i am always doing so he never gets drafted now

[copper orchid]

Thought kirito would be at top

[severe oasis]

this was pre-ed5

[copper orchid]

Why is nara and wis there tho, thought they are not as good

Ahh

[slow turtle]

Why did he do that

[copper orchid]

But is narantuya really that high?

What does she do in is6

[slow turtle]

I saw the spoiler and im just like

[severe oasis]

sniper voucher is pretty dead but shes an okay dps option

[woeful anchor]

nara logo fake

[severe oasis]

isnt the context of this tierlist climbing to max raidian anyway

so pre-d10

[woeful anchor]

idk

[slow turtle]

I just use ray cuz idk what the fuck to use

[slow turtle]

Yeah

[woeful anchor]

ray vs hitcount

[severe oasis]

iirc that sthe one from cubes guide

[woeful anchor]

nice

[copper orchid]

But okay doesnt mean she is good at everything right

[woeful anchor]

nara is giga fake

i dont understand the glaze

[severe oasis]

its not a tierlist for d15 players lol

[gaunt bay]

whatever the highest tier is

[woeful anchor]

nop

the highest tier is radian tier

[gaunt bay]

zzzz

[woeful anchor]

then everyone else is below

[slow turtle]

Why did they make hoshalter so good though

[woeful anchor]

idfk

bro acts like we deisgned the ops

[severe oasis]

summer limited pool was so ass they had to make something good

[slow turtle]

I hate to say it but true

[gaunt bay]

well shes not like turbo busted outside of is6 ig

shes just like

regular busted

[slow turtle]

Chalter fell off insanely hard and so did gavial

[woeful anchor]

not exu tier

gg go next

[slow turtle]

And we pretend pepe doesnt exist

So