IS4 is where you want to continue indeed as a tryhard flexer
#is-station
stray dove
woeful anchor
also u only need 1 offensive relic to make it easy
woeful anchor
wat
stray dove
no shortcuts to get strong
sick mason
You're suffering being polluted by IS4's collapse values
stray dove
thats the point
woeful anchor
wat
stray dove
most would do IS4 relicles
woeful anchor
You're suffering being polluted by IS4's collapse values
play EH
stray dove
and it still feel worth doing
stray dove
ngl
stray dove
IS4 mostly feels relicless anyways if your luck is shit enough
woeful anchor
all the f5 stages all take 3 or less ops
sick mason
At least if you reduce your LP without leaking enemies, you don't gain extra collapse value
Unlike in IS3
Low LP? Automatically losing light
stray dove
you're gonna feel it the entire run
but i also am not fond of being punished for leaking
stray dove
not when the point of increasing LP and shield is to use it as a resource
for letting enemeis through (1 of the options to use it)
sick mason
Running IS6 relicless? You really need some massive guts to do that
stray dove
@nocturne cape Is IS6 being done relicless by some people?
stray dove
there's no Quilon/Amiyi situation that makes it feel impossible
woeful anchor
<@271757112894291974> Is IS6 being done relicless by some people?
yes
grinding it is just miserable
u restart if u get bad epoch
u restart if u roll wrong tongbaos
stray dove
you mean Hour
raw hemlock
EM veteran actor or encounter....? I know how the normal one goes...
sick mason
Imagine getting the hour that buffed enemies atk and can't retreat ops under mark of epoch
woeful anchor
if ur learning the stages always take new ones
always take new stuff even if u die
cant learn if u dont fail
stray dove
considering IS5's most noteworthy bosses are Quilon and Amiyi and both are impossible to relicless, i don't think there's many who would bother just doing IS5 relicless
woeful anchor
at least thats my take
woeful anchor
considering IS5's most noteworthy bosses are Quilon and Amiyi and both are impos...
theres a team grinding amiyi relicless
they did map1 done
stray dove
"grinding"
woeful anchor
map2 in progress
stray dove
so no clear
woeful anchor
not yet
stray dove
thats dedication
sick mason
Also whoever made this shitty stage should get fired
woeful anchor
u habe to dodge epochs
stray dove
Also whoever made this shitty stage should get fired
That's no Elusive
woeful anchor
so u need to get a bit lucky too
stray dove
sick mason
Why IS5 floor 4 have some of the most cancerous stage of all time 
Even regular army is less shittier than this
stray dove
Even regular army is less shittier than this
Rhine Guardians is pretty ass
sick mason
Oh yeah that one
sick mason
I ain't facing invisible W
woeful anchor
i cant see how
stray dove
is not worth it
nocturne cape
<@271757112894291974> Is IS6 being done relicless by some people?
Ed12 and 4 are done
woeful anchor
no i mean its insane that its only 3 ops
stray dove
Ed12 and 4 are done
relicless Ed4?
woeful anchor
since this stage is super ass
nocturne cape
Correct
woeful anchor
relicless Ed4?
its 8 ops clowm college clear
sick mason
Ed12 and 4 are done
D12 ed4? What the actual f
stray dove
how.....
nocturne cape
D15 ED4
woeful anchor
m3 aechetto sakiko gnosis pram sa sa2
woeful anchor
trag s1
stray dove
that's still a Quilon
woeful anchor
bro its so fucking meme
stray dove
without Chalice
stray dove
oh....
woeful anchor
this clear is so meme
stray dove
IS5
stray dove
i mean makes sense
woeful anchor
maybe some grp is grinding in secret
woeful anchor
ye quilon need to powercreep wis twice first
nocturne cape
So cooked
stray dove
makes sense.
stalling Quilon (immediately going to exit asap)
and a LOT of chalices
really overwhelms you
i still feel like Quilon and Amiyi are fun bosses.
It's just that conquering them in hardest difficulties really forces your hand to go Lamp-ing
sick mason
I mean HG knew everyone's gonna go to lamp
And thus they have to make stages to counter lamp usage
stray dove
i think my appreciation of IS bosses only began on Craz, then Lugalz+Khagan, then Quilon and Amiyi
since they all feel like raid bosses
with chores and alternate things you need to do
sinful sparrow
i wonder why noone has done d15 ed3 relicless for is6
is it the shitty 800 variants
🫃
sick mason
i wonder why noone has done d15 ed3 relicless for is6
... That's beyond insane
Your ops getting debuffed by -50% initial SP and 2% HP loss per second is already suffering enough
stray dove
right now there's not too many stat checks in IS6
that it feels very possible
to relicless
Quilon and Amiyi is where i really felt like stat checks were too much
woeful anchor
Your ops getting debuffed by -50% initial SP and 2% HP loss per second is alread...
its doable
raw hemlock
Just invest or grab something, then invest the rest?
stray dove
Just invest or grab something, then invest the rest?
early on, just invest everything imo
i'd rather throwaway early runs
than higher diff runs
cold fjord
there is a 75% chance to roll x2 right side wallbreaker
woeful anchor
gg
raw hemlock
investor crashed again, only got 5 ingots into it
stray dove
and you have to do that everytime as relicless
woeful anchor
what if you just use…
all to be worthless
cold fjord
woeful anchor
wats ed2 record
sinful sparrow
5
stray dove
what screws relicless the most, Wei-Chien, Ssu Nung, ...or is it just Shen-Chu?
woeful anchor
anyway thoughts on 4op ooc
sinful sparrow
anyway thoughts on 4op ooc
doesnt sound very doable bruh
raw hemlock
at the f2 pathfinder node, which sniper do I grab? my lem, chalter, exu, or naran?
woeful knot
👊 if the record for d15 ooc is 3 you can go lower there in is6
cold fjord
anyway thoughts on 4op ooc
bro thinks of 4 op ooc when bait cant even do 5 op
woeful anchor
at the f2 pathfinder node, which sniper do I grab? my lem, chalter, exu, or nara...
lemussy
cold fjord
wtf
stray dove
learning what Apparitions are, i begin to learn how I should despise this one a lot
Ssu Nung still takes the cake for me
it ruins my openers badly
woeful anchor
bro thinks of 4 op ooc when bait cant even do 5 op
cos bait sucks
stray dove
I can't believe Yi himself counts as Apparition
makes sense that Sui proxies are such
they're fragments of a Feranmut
raw hemlock
screw it, Naran
stray dove
they even state that they're still "dreaming"
woeful knot
fib pick the music
stray dove
and they are scared what happens if they wake up
sick mason
Actual feranmut doesn't count? Wow how anomaly
stray dove
it's the same reason why Vernal Winds enemies aren't apparitions
they're an extremist human group of pro-feranmuts
sick mason
It sucks because I didn't conserve these guys due to my conserve voucher is already full
woeful anchor
wtf
stray dove
It sucks because I didn't conserve these guys due to my conserve voucher is alre...
those guys are from the coin anyways
shrewd yoke
how many scout nodes 😭
stray dove
no that's how Wang yeets out un-candled
cold fjord
Thats just ed3
stray dove
they make them take a walk
raw hemlock
one of the bosky retrieve nodes is giving me two-river spring, do I take that to replace a blank coin?
sick mason
Meanwhile the lucky ones
stray dove
one of the bosky retrieve nodes is giving me two-river spring, do I take that to...
sure.
smoky tiger
Does this need to be tossed for the effect to be active? Or its passive?
sick mason
Needed to be tossed
sick mason
Even though you got a stack from previous toss, if you didn't toss it, you don't get the effect
raw hemlock
I dunno about this trader...
stray dove
it's the simplest way to ban them
sick mason
Would ed4 also require candleguests too or not?
sick mason
I dunno about this trader...
Geist binding rope N O W
stray dove
haven't heard
i doubt
Wang's prophecy is banning uncandled
i doubt Ed4 would "copy" him
sinful sparrow
Thats just ed3
they might need to change that if they wish to allow triple ending
if they dont then gg slop
sick mason
We still dunno what ed5 would look alike tho
sinful sparrow
then 3 might be worse than 4 in terms of diff bruh :joyplush:
stray dove
they might need to change that if they wish to allow triple ending
imagine doing the very first 2-3-5 in IS6
sick mason
Could it be another Sui proxy? Feranmut boss?
sick mason
When ed4 comes out, I'm not doing ed3 anymore ._.
cold fjord
cuz otherwise u need to do ed4
sinful sparrow
bro i dont wanna play ed4
stray dove
Could it be another Sui proxy? Feranmut boss?
it might be evil Shuo/possessed Shuo....it even might be semi-complete Bestial Sui
cold fjord
its ok bro the 3+4 stage will be peak
stray dove
to Bestial Sui
sick mason
Hmm a bestial Sui is more powerful than a real Feranmut?
sinful sparrow
@cold fjord post fish eggs in cult
sick mason
Like the ed4 capybara?
stray dove
Hmm a bestial Sui is more powerful than a real Feranmut?
Bestial Sui is just Sui that's alive
no Sui proxies
it's when it was still truly complete and alive
what Sui right now is "dead" and reviving itself
sick mason
... Could ed5 actually be the real Sui? And then suddenly all 12 fragments forced to emerged
cold fjord
<@1076238275011940412> post fish eggs in cult
if i find new fish sure
stray dove
hell the only times we felt like we fought "Sui" is Wang's actions in Sui events
cold fjord
... Could ed5 actually be the real Sui? And then suddenly all 12 fragments force...
ed2 is already the real sui tho
stray dove
and Jie-only in Ed2
sick mason
But ed2 is just "Jie"
stray dove
ed2 is already the real sui tho
it's just Jie
taking the position so it makes it easier to imprison or kill again
sick mason
I'm talking about the complete Sui, the combination of all 12 Sui proxies
ashen valve
Who’s a REALLY fast healer
cold fjord
Oh true
sick mason
Chongyue, Wang, Ling, unknown 4th, Jie (dead), Shu, Ji, Yi, Nian, unknown 10th, Dusk, Yu
stray dove
Who’s a REALLY fast healer
whats the point if your HP is low anyways
sick mason
Burn
stray dove
good luck with that 1 hp then
ashen valve
I dont need it
sick mason
Did you buy those from Ji's shop??
sick mason
Mlynar having tanky DEF and RES while Hoe just stretching his HP pool
cold fjord
<@1076238275011940412> u wanna bet that this CNY event gonna be Wang, 4th siblin...
yi to attract twink lovers 👍
ashen valve
raw hemlock
that looks pretty
sinful sparrow
yi to attract twink lovers 👍
@woeful knot go goon
stray dove
<@362842094664155136> after deploying the dagger , . the talisman just run free ...
that's one way to avoid instatalisman on Ines
not a huge fan of Ines S3. As for that specific Hour of Sui
if it hits VG
I would've gone with Surfer/Canta
stray dove
3D art
IS relics, RA items and foods, mats and modules, everything that isn't the operators and ingame sprites themselves are all 3D models
and they are all amazingly designed
raw hemlock
Hmmmmmm
trail spear
what the hell is this node ive never done it
stray dove
what the hell is this node ive never done it
there's 2 fights in F6 atm
it's just unfortunate that you fought that one in Emer immediately
sick mason
what the hell is this node ive never done it
That's just hell on earth
The other one is easier than this
sick mason
I lost 26 LP first time trying this stage
In D10
For the sake of maxxing Raidian's module
trail spear
ok just murdered ending 3
i gotta say needing 2 carries is abit annoying
and my purestream in the middle lane doesn't hit both units because i dont have her module
time to raise
errant siren
i gotta say needing 2 carries is abit annoying
But it's enough nevertheless.
5-6 ensures his die.
stray dove
tough
Your run is solid enough to even open up
nice
the smoothest Inferno for me is just letting the enemies feel like they're playing Touhou
trail spear
Your run is solid enough to even open up
I got chalice
trail spear
Pepe is good in is6?
trail spear
Yea
trail spear
Quite a good run
trail spear
Wait
stray dove
Drum is the highest ATK you can get from a single relic
trail spear
Drum is the highest ATK you can get from a single relic
Whats drum
stray dove
it technically is King's Crown in IS6
doing a coin toss = +15% ATK
stacks up to 10 times
Stirfry, Bells, Drums
the best DPS relics in IS6
are all boss-tier relics
that you can buy in shop or drop in normal fight
sick mason
Or also get a chance to get them after f3 boss
stray dove
thats why it's actually possible to get all 3 of them in one run
sick mason
0 cost Raidian summons in floor 2 
flat hamlet
Finally 😭
errant siren
Whats drum
+15% ATK, +15% (1 stack) additionally for each coin toss (up to 10 stacks = 150%). If you get all 3 coins Risk-type, you get 2 stacks instead.
stray dove
#is-station message
This is one of my strongest runs I've shared in this channel
trail spear
I feel like ive never seen it
trail spear
stray dove
i most likely do not even consider the all-risk-coins
I don't let it get that badly
and I doubt I have immediate Drum in F1 start
stray dove
-1 coupon per floor
yeah
heh....
one of the strongest runs I got
so much DPS, a lot of bulk, and ASPD coin
stray dove
that's facts
D0 exists so you don't feel like you're forced to play what you don't want
just play whatever
flat hamlet
I just want to play Lin but I don't think there's anything good for phalanx casters
alpine solar
nyope
trail spear
Right
stray dove
I just want to play Lin but I don't think there's anything good for phalanx cast...
most relics are made all purpose
thats why they removed Hand relics even (also removed King relics but for a different point)
its making people go only to specific things
most of them aren't even good
it's a nice direction what they're doing now with the newest relic designs
obsidian needle
yea I like this one a lot better than previous
stray dove
high printing builds with +99 onwards, blocking builds, ammo builds, it feels less subclassy and just flavored flexibly
that isn't even including some of the Tongbao designs
which adds a few more ways to make other relics work
the dodge coin but making enemies attack faster. I can imagine that as a fun low diff run
with dodge relics
flat hamlet
I was just thinking "I didn't see any hand relic in a long time" 
Turns out there's none
stray dove
Dream Curio with other relics that stack effects per skill spam
trail spear
My only main problem is raidian
stray dove
is very effective even in high diff
trail spear
Shilled way too hard
stray dove
ehhh
i'm fine with it
sweatlords wouldn't like the way she's designed
she feels too integral
but she's a solid crutch for newbies
issue is newbies don't like going for higher difficulties
trail spear
I feel like not taking summoning items when i have the chance to is like
Why am i intentionally nerfing myself
stray dove
you really don't
i've played Raidian runs without a single summon relic
Raidian could just be there to carry you in F1 and F2
flat hamlet
Yeah I hate that her masteries and module are just "clear ending at difficulty 7" or something
stray dove
and the rest is up to the others
flat hamlet
I'm on difficulty 3 bro chill
sick mason
Just do special squad
stray dove
Yeah I hate that her masteries and module are just "clear ending at difficulty 7...
mixed reception but no sweat to guys like me or sweatlords who eat IS regularly
sick mason
You'll get temp Raidian anyway
trail spear
For us with a solid roster its not that hard to climb diffs so far
trail spear
I've got the funny exu 2 and tragodia
stray dove
once you have cleared D2
flat hamlet
Maybe I should read the mechanics of the stage lmao
stray dove
just keep using Special Squad
flat hamlet
I still have no idea how the white/black thing works
stray dove
.....
trail spear
Idk what's coming with expansion 1 other than a lot of people telling me its relatively cooked
flat hamlet
Which one is the special squad ?
obsidian needle
Dusk event is long time ago
stray dove
yeah keep using it
temp Raidian gives you M9 and E2 90
even if everything else is locked
sick mason
Bruh can I do floor 1 rob with Raidian, Luo Xiaohei and Purestream damn
flat hamlet
Wait I never saw the free raidian 
stray dove
Bruh can I do floor 1 rob with Raidian, Luo Xiaohei and Purestream damn
up to you
errant siren
Bruh can I do floor 1 rob with Raidian, Luo Xiaohei and Purestream damn
Yes.
stray dove
rob or die
flat hamlet
I truly can't read lmfao
stray dove
stray dove
Wait I never saw the free raidian <:coucou:957948402052780053>
have you cleared D2?
then yes, it has Raidian
errant siren
You can with S1 Raidian leak at least 3 enemies.
stray dove
ewait
flat hamlet
Just cleared it yesterday
stray dove
is your Raidian E2?
flat hamlet
So that's why
flat hamlet
is your Raidian E2?
Yup
stray dove
<@362842094664155136> do i pritorise tragodia, exu 2 or wisadel
i never prio'd Trag
ever
he ain't carrying harder than the other 2
flat hamlet
I cleared D2 yesterday, haven't started a new run since
trail spear
I dont know if there's any guards i ever want to take
stray dove
well
trail spear
LOl
flat hamlet
stray dove
as someone that's Lazerless
Mlynar only
i pick 2 others
Windscoot for Yan requirements
Quartz in case I need to do Bell stacks (potential future Bell gain)
trail spear
I lost my lazer to a thorns alter dupe
trail spear
Windscoot for Yan requirements
Is luo xuhei not better or
stray dove
i chose to remain Lazerless
stray dove
Is luo xuhei not better or
I'd rather use Windscoot since I don't need them to block
and just want a potential deploy attack
Luo is less useful as an E1
I don't even plan on E2ing them
unless my hope costs are solved
sick mason
Boi
stray dove
but Ulp ain't helping you much in IS6
sick mason
Grandpa why are u here
trail spear
your diff is low
Soon i will return to d15
stray dove
how they did D15 modifier is pretty foul already heh
i wonder if they're gonna be creative with D16-18 modifiers
or just make boring stat buffs
I guess d14 Leaders taking less damage is a form of stat gain already but universally affecting even high ATK
but d15 adds burning aura to talismans attached
remote badger
death
trail spear
Wait so you just kill all the go pieces and he leaves?
stray dove
for phase 2 maybe
i do remember some times
when he dies with Flaws present
i think it's just an alternate lose condition for him in phase 2
trail spear
Is it remotely viable to do
stray dove
he does flood you with pieces in Phase 2 transition
there's no point
just stall and kill him
sick mason
Wait so you just kill all the go pieces and he leaves?
If you can do it before he spawns others, yes
trail spear
Is arts still worthless in is6
stray dove
it's only worthless in IS3 high diff
since when did you last play to think otherwise?
trail spear
it's only worthless in IS3 high diff
Eh it was pretty eh in is4 and 5 from my experience
sick mason
Arts dmg is still gud
But casters are not (outside Logos)
sinful sparrow
@nocturne cape hoshi gnosis actually has pretty great mu into f2 bosky
trail spear
since when did you last play to think otherwise?
I did every is to max diff
stray dove
Eh it was pretty eh in is4 and 5 from my experience
my dude the only reason people ignored arts is because Wis is too good
sinful sparrow
good to know
trail spear
my dude the only reason people ignored arts is because Wis is too good
Really? I tried the drone casters and i didn't feel particularly good
Logos is like the one exception but its logos
stray dove
....do you know how Drone Casters are statistically built?
they have naturally low ATK bases
so no matter how many DPS relics you have
it ain't increasing much in damage
errant siren
Really? I tried the drone casters and i didn't feel particularly good
Click E1-60 is capable to destroy Crystal on D18
trail spear
Doesnt that mean they're just bad?
stray dove
thats why they thrive in high ASPD with decent DPS
errant siren
stray dove
Doesnt that mean they're just bad?
they solved Amiyi for me really well
errant siren
Right before battle ends.
stray dove
even if it means hand mixing
trail spear
Hand mixing is satan
stray dove
only for those who rely too much on the usual Lamp rewards
i've had runs with enough leeway to use more Wish nodes
heavy pumice
well arts are weaker than phys dmg by default due to how the formula works
but that doesnt stop players to go for arts comp core in any IS (except IS3)
stray dove
like constant Vertical Wish node visits
because i do Blueprint
when a run is smooth, i greed harder
heavy pumice
as for bad or nah, idk
its always back to case by case method
me personally always call arts dmg as inferior one :ya:
sick mason
Physical dmg reduced by DEF is just a simple substraction while arts dmg reduced by RES is by percentage ._.
stray dove
it starts being the only dmg option
when DEF becomes too bloated (RA CC, CCB max risk)
but since IS gives you relics to help dmg and stats
yeah physical will remain king for a long while
with Trag doing minor arts and true dmg procs
Hoshi2 is actually really good in general
and might be the preferred arts nuking gateway moving forward
sick mason
Hoshi alter making arts defender finally got a spotlight
Like this f-ing subclass never got any spotlight
stray dove
a lot of subclasses never got any
until 1 champion makes them even semi-relevant
no matter how minor it felt
stray dove
and i do say a lot of MINOR relevance to even make you think about a subclass
like Lin as the best solution against low but fast-proccing damage
stray dove
Ah yes I know one subclass that will never get any <:HellaKek:735650408340521020...
every class is one operator away from getting relevance
whether it suits the class or not
ahem.....Ela and Geexu
heavy pumice
duelist defender huh
that is a weird archetype to begin with
or another word its a gen content archetype
sick mason
A defender that can only block 1, can only gain SP while blocking (module-less) and has cancerous DP cost?
Oh yes we can certainly called it "duelist defender"
stray dove
here's the thing
most of them are old operators with still high SP cost
imagine what Duelist defender 6* would be designed now
with module that removes the blocking penalty
and gives them slow auto-rec
heavy pumice
yes and zumama its the highest ceiling
i doubt hg would go so far to make a better zumama in the future
stray dove
it's not even about her
they can make a kit that's not just DPS-oriented
and that really is most of Zumama. Her S2 being the most enticing one for ACTUAL use these days
but even then there are better ways to stall enemies than using her S2
sick mason
Zumama 2.0
stray dove
they can really go fun with it
have you ever thought
that the very 2nd 6* Crusher would have a dash skill?
sick mason
Casually getting closer to enemies so he can beat the shit out of them
stray dove
have you ever thought that the very 2nd 6* Liberator would idle in air?
they are getting creative
and i like it
sick mason
I mean Nasti is another case of insane creativity
heavy pumice
and still he ended up as gen content
sick mason
Creating a damn high ground tile
stray dove
it's....really not too much
Nasti is the case of
finally....applying RA to every other content
heavy pumice
i agree with creativity but creativity alone wont satisfy player base
stray dove
here's the thing
most of the playerbase won't be
because you know what they playerbase really wants?
a Wis 2.0. But here's the thing
they will also hate the very thing they want
because it feels "powercreep"ing
even when they want the new powercreep
sick mason
2 sides of fanbase
stray dove
not exactly
the very people who want the new powercreep
also complains "oh its too easy now"
the very people you want to ignore
HG is doing fine
let them cook
sick mason
I bet those kind of people who complained like that are the "guide watchers"
stray dove
btw these people who complain "shit's too easy now"
don't play endgame
they never do
they just complain and leave
sick mason
Y'know when they always rely on Youtubers to do... well almost everything in this game
stray dove
i don't exactly blame them
wanna know why?
i will always believe
that most of AK's playerbse
do not like the core gameplay
it's a TD
a very niche gameplay genre
those who keep relying on Kyo and Ecko
paper kayak
thats true of an absolute ton of games
sick mason
FFFFFFFF I DON'T HAVE WISADEL
stray dove
you chose that
errant siren
FFFFFFFF I DON'T HAVE WISADEL
errant siren
FREE DEATH
sick mason
I was expecting Manmade carnival
stray dove
you get the wok risk coin ehhhhh
i only ever tolerate 3 risk coins
make it 4
99 DP, Dream Curio, Spill, and vertical pathing taxation
sick mason
Bloodshed spill?
heavy pumice
maybe i should finish my firework core tripple ed IS5
and start to act like a true elitist
ashen valve
Idk why I kept
Making things harder for myself
I could’ve just leave
But no
I gotta try my luck on the butterfly
And I got it
I cant even remove it at lost and found
stray dove
Lost and Found do not get rid of Ending relics
sick mason
you could've picked the 3 shields
The reason why I choose this is because there's a pathfinder node up ahead and well I only have 2 conserved vouchers
Why not store more
And I actually managed to beat that stage thanks to that wok coin again
stray dove
well store your run ending
you guys really like the DEF coin huh
it needs too much to even feel decent
stray dove
and i am not a fan of Frozen operators when Wang's debuff relic is poisoning my operators to death
stray dove
If upgraded that coin is actually great tho
ah yes....how many coin tossses can you do again in D12 onwards?
yeah not much.....
unless you Ling loop
and by that point
the run's over
stray dove
all i can say is, making that wok worthwhile is a meme or just for fun
smoky tiger
Do I claim this relic on early floor or can I wait till floor 4 and enter pathfinder node on floor 5?
Does completing the pathfinder node remove the sp debuff?
sudden cloak
Ya
errant siren
Exchange it
Yes
Exchange this particular coin and you'll 100% get the other version of this.
stray dove
Do I claim this relic on early floor or can I wait till floor 4 and enter pathfi...
i prefer later
getting Wang's relics too early means more debuffed fights
as for removing SP debuff
NO
errant siren
Do I claim this relic on early floor or can I wait till floor 4 and enter pathfi...
No, doing Pathfinder Battle doesn't remove this debuff and moreover add you ANOTHER ONE TO BEAR instead.
stray dove
it adds another one
Wang is now infamous for being one of the more dangerous ending routes to do
maybe only second to Quilon's NO MORE INGOTS and EXP debuff
smoky tiger
Noted and thx!
stray dove
to fight the enlightened one, you have to let go of your earthly tethers as well
also it does not say
but to even get this
means turning all your ingots to 0
split void
i prefer later
What floor are you suggesting?
stray dove
like what they say sounds like my usual
F4 WiW is to get Masterplan
F5 Pathfinder for Clarity fight
rare chance F5 Pathfinder may not exist
but i'd rather do that
split void
stray dove
random
most F1 encounters aren't worth it
as someone who keeps hunting down rare Hour of Suis
alpine solar
i forgot who said it here
alpine solar
but someone said 2x combat > 1x combat 1x encounter > 1x combat 1x wish
errant siren
3 combat imo
Although Emergency
But if your ops are strong, they dedicate you to clear IS with ease.
alpine solar
is Gopnik fight
also thanks for mentioning this
i just got a gopnik fight on floor 1 against a wish lmao
stray dove
dont risk that out anyways
i would actually
gladly exit a run with "f3" starting perks
if it means 1 less fight
stone ferry
crosscode such a good game
void root
Aspd + coin make every of your skills become offensive recovery is pretty bruh lmao
split void
split void
stray dove
<:ReedBean:1151601576700559390>
it's hilarious how hard it is to get the relic chain that relates to that
because the effect that relic chain does kind of can give you fuck all depending how it procs
split void
Clearing all stuffs ?
stray dove
imagine getting this near the time you get Wooden Lump
tell me it's potential "fail" status
either ways, aiming for this is purely for "hunting" relics rather than any form of practicality
carmine token
imagine getting this near the time you get Wooden Lump
wtf is tis relic
sick mason
Well it’s just doubled the chosen resources
sick mason
For example if you currently have like 10 hopes, 80 ingots and 20 objective shield
And when u obtain this relic, it’s either your hopes turned into 20, or ingots to 160, or objective shield to 40
carmine token
For example if you currently have like 10 hopes, 80 ingots and 20 objective shie...
i know
im gonna get ts when i have like 1 hope n its gonna double it
sick mason
It truly depends on how many do you own now 
Also, is it just me or stir-fry is pretty easy to obtain in every single run
Although the difference is in which floor
alpine solar
woohoo guards helped me clear d15
sick mason
Is that a f-ing Gavial2
carmine token
Thorns can rest forever once Sakiko arrives
u had good 3 yr, for being a laneholder
sick mason
Ngl debuffing is gud but I feel like it’s merely a side thing
alpine solar
carmine token
i see they were temps
alpine solar
unironically gavial s3 was neat for facetanking the bombs
sick mason
Blud had godblessed coin huh
alpine solar
it rolled when i entered bosky on f4
stray dove
Godblessed must be a blessing for newer players
but as an old af player
doesn't gel with me at all
since it's ruining voucher drops for me
sick mason
And also depends on whether you have chalice or that one aspd coin or not
stray dove
do not fully rely on Coin to carry your entire run strat
not when it's so easy to miss it in a toss
sick mason
Well you can technically get it for free from wonderland but toss 1 risk coin
sick mason
do not fully rely on Coin to carry your entire run strat
Bloodshed spill helped me maxxing Raidian:
sick mason
I swear I owe bloodshed spill the most out of all coins
sick mason
I know arduous trade, 99 DP and dream curio are also broken
stray dove
and it'd be sad for you to lose just because you were banking on that
coins are supplementary. So don't rely on it too often
I've had runs that had both spill and curio
but none of them popped up
sick mason
People who run tourist squad:
stray dove
in final floor
sick mason
IS6? Special squad, def/support
sick mason
And probably also sui regulator?
stray dove
ehhhh
alpine solar
whatever the one that gives u free raidian
sick mason
More conserve recruitment voucher is good
stray dove
which one I'd go for
sick mason
whatever the one that gives u free raidian
Special squad
sick mason
Tianshi bureau really forced your ass to always enter wonderland
stray dove
cause CasSpec can also be a 4th/3rd
sick mason
It makes me doesn’t want to miss one in floor 3 too
stray dove
you barely get value in Tianshi if you skip WiW visits
alpine solar
yeah lately ive been just hoarding candles until floor 4
sick mason
I suppose IS6 is where no squads are that terrible
stray dove
I've never ever been into a particular squad
but DefSupp has never been stronger now more than ever
sick mason
All have their own good, even that one squad that automatically promotes 4* and 5*
stray dove
with incoming Hoshitter and Haruka
stray dove
All have their own good, even that one squad that automatically promotes 4* and ...
I actually like that more
than most class squads
sick mason
Leader squad has its own value to help floor 1 rob
stray dove
since it instapromotes anyone that ain't 6*
sick mason
Special squad is broken to help players who doesn’t have maxxed Raidian
Class squads are being class squads
And now there’s breaching squads
alpine solar
even with maxed raidian isnt it just better to start out with free raidian
stray dove
cause E2 Mamiya and E2 Humus feels really good at the start in First Class
for F1-F2 to Cannot rob
immediate E2 Gummy and E2 Purestream later
with maybe E2 Windscoot depending on the ending route
stray dove
even with maxed raidian isnt it just better to start out with free raidian
there's too many perks for Special Squad
+2 deployment limit in a Raidian world
is too good
alpine solar
first class squad doesnt work with temp recruit right
stray dove
and i always felt like Pathfinder fight deployment limit is low
4 iirc
so any extra deployment limit makes Bells safer to stack
sick mason
Pathfinder normal combat still feels like a scam
alpine solar
first class squad not insta promoting my advanced voucher 🙁
stray dove
and Bells is worth the trouble if your run's not having any Drums or Frys
stray dove
first class squad not insta promoting my advanced voucher 🙁
it's just telling you to raise your own damn ops
alpine solar
do u have module for mamiya
stray dove
I'm not too keen on class squads in any IS especially if it makes specific classes drop more frequently
my strongest squads tend to be very mixed class
and Breaching squads barely feel like advantages
alpine solar
rather, is module for mamiya worth it for is6
alpine solar
feels like there's too many operator defining modules
sick mason
At least the perk of class squads is that each rogue trader shop is guaranteed to have 2 class vouchers being sold
stray dove
nah
when i mean module defining
i meant that the operator is literally pointless without it
alpine solar
stuff like passenger, fedex, logos, wis etc
stray dove
I'm talking some of the IS modules, stuff like Sakiko
alpine solar
oh
stray dove
Gladiia
sick mason
It makes me wonder why they even released Logos 2nd module
stray dove
those tiers
alpine solar
sakiko has an IS module?
stray dove
no
gentle gazelle
i must be very dumb, but I always lose the pathfinder special battles
stray dove
but it makes her talent absurd
gentle gazelle
any tips or tricks to it?
stray dove
It makes me wonder why they even released Logos 2nd module
some of us want Logos to be usable in Yu Burn
didn't work
but ehhhhh
sick mason
<:LappDumb:596474463118163968> i must be very dumb, but I always lose the pathfi...
Ed3 relic battle?
stray dove
nice that they tried
gentle gazelle
Ed3 relic battle?
pleasing the candleholder thing
stray dove
no
the point is
if i'm using Yu Burn
i don't want other ele procs getting in the way
sick mason
It’s just Laptop and GG at this point
sick mason
Don’t tell me Blaze2 is one of them
sick mason
Ofc it’s very ass
faint rampart
alpine solar
was blaze alter used in arclight max risk clear
it was either the upcoming ccb or the previous one
stray dove
was burn used in arclight?
alpine solar
yah
sick mason
A 2025 operator that heavily relied on someone else? Are you serious?
carmine token
well yeah have you tried a Yu Burn without her?
using her without yu, is using nymph s3 without virtousa
stray dove
i've only seen Trag carries and stuff for high risk
alpine solar
wasn't the popular strat to run gg and lapp2 with yu
tribal furnace
Not as bad as losing SP on deployment
I'm going ed3
sick mason
Or getting certain class gets talisman-ed when deployed
stray dove
but max rewards has a lot of ways to beat it
sick mason
i've only seen Trag carries and stuff for high risk
Tragodia shitting on TLK in TN 🏃
stray dove
this is my Yu Burn.
alpine solar
risk 870 clear had blaze2 lapp2 with yu
sinful sparrow
slopass comp
alpine solar
who's saalt
stray dove
SAlter
alpine solar
salty
carmine token
this is my Yu Burn.
better sui then ling,thats not shu doesnt exist
alpine solar
surely the next sui event will feature wang
stray dove
better sui then ling,thats not shu doesnt exist <:SkadiDaijoubu:8392691999647989...
I'm praying the next Sui's good in general use
alpine solar
then u can place go pieces down against him in ed3 in a secret interaction
carmine token
I'm praying the next Sui's good in general use
surely yi will be good
stray dove
better sui then ling,thats not shu doesnt exist <:SkadiDaijoubu:8392691999647989...
I wouldn't even be using CY or Ling if it wasn't for Shu's talent
alpine solar
i mean what is even the likelihood that we get a sui sibling that hasn't already been revealed
alpine solar
but unironically the unseen medic sui might be crucial for the team
stray dove
i'm not lacking in healing but anything that's more useful than Nian or Ling (in a low deployment amt) will do.
stray dove
I'm saying she doesn't register
at all
in my radar
at least Ling can block in emergencies
carmine token
if the next sui is yi, he is gonna be supporter or spec
stray dove
and no, i don't like Dusk's summons
carmine token
at least Ling can block in emergencies
the secret is mod that summons gravels with med sticks
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586588921614303233/1459648058425086093/beanroar-addrednug.gif
stray dove
either way
i find global burn fun
with widespread burn on Blazer's S3 range and Reedic's creeping burn
soon Hoshitter will join them
as the main nuker
and me adding Ptilo + Shu's 4 season buff makes the SP recovery go really fast for more activations
stray dove
if the next sui is yi, he is gonna be supporter or spec
as long as it doesn't ruin my class queue with SAlter's S2.
I actually removed Nian for Ling because she conflicts with SAlter prios
stray dove
using her without yu, is using nymph s3 without virtousa
as workable as it is to have a Yu Burn without Blazer, it feels like I'm lacking so much potential Burn proc dmg without her on the field.
sinful sparrow
depending on diff
stray dove
looks like it....
sinful sparrow
15, you’re cooked
10 and below, should be fine
stray dove
pray it ain't double tanks at front
cause you have a good opening with purestream -> Lapptop
then she sweeps everything she can kill
maybe it would kill the tanks
Shu not being E2 is gonna be rough
but it really is all about your relics/coins/difficulty
cloud cairn
Okay it's fine
stray dove
interesting layout....
but whatever works
at least for me in D12, you might want to have a blocker on Wang's pathing
but yeah, a high DPS run with Lapptop would solve most of Wang's piece issues