is-station

[ornate wave]

Which ones better for IS noobs, sui regulator or tourist squad

[terse bough]

The one with radian

[errant siren]

I prefer Sui Reg with more Vouchers.

[ornate wave]

I'm borrowing wisadel

[errant siren]

[faint rampart]

[terse bough]

Free radian is free radian?

[ornate wave]

She's e1

[terse bough]

You get a free radian

Temp rec

So max

[final gale]

im still in d6

corporate sucks

someone pilot me

🥹

[ornate wave]

I haven't unlocked it yet..

[final gale]

oh yeh btw

does some combat nodes unlocked when i managed to beat ed2 boss???

kinda wierd ive seen new combat stages after defeating feet boss

[wanton rose]

no
just wang's doubt node

[terse bough]

Then use that squad anyway and borrow trag

[final gale]

oh so ig im actually dodging some combat stages all this time until d6

[faint rampart]

femn already d15, no way you're gonna be left behind by ur fellow help member

[ornate wave]

What d makes my raidian max invest

[final gale]

d2

[wanton rose]

nomnom has real life sadly

[final gale]

with the special squad

yeh it sucks

but then again

its good... means i can goldfish more

[ornate wave]

I was fishing for ingots to cannot and got to gift lvl 40..

I haven't done d2 yet

[wanton rose]

i'm sure someone will unknowingly pilot you if you stream in ISC

[faint rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1000589275823357992.png

[split void]

TF is this stage ?

No place for ranged

[wanton rose]

[errant siren]

Alter Fisherman.

Cheezed by Wis.

[stray dove]

i may prefer that even because it's only 1 lane to defend

easier to target fisherman

[gaunt bay]

fisherman alter takes another victim

[stray dove]

Fisherman always punishes when it has survived too long

[split void]

That ?

[stray dove]

Fisherman fights become shit if you can't kill the fisherman fast enough

same for the normal version

[reef knoll]

Anyone know whats different in the emergency stage for A Humble Gift?

[sinful sparrow]

damn who even remembers emer of a buttfuck nowhere stage

[errant siren]

More Cannibal Flowers inbound.

[errant siren]

I remember.

[reef knoll]

Any idea where they spawn? Or do those extra ones spawn later

[errant siren]

Yes, on center of the map.

[reef knoll]

💀

[errant siren]

Devouring every operator you will put close.

[reef knoll]

Dont tell me its dead center between all the ranged tiles...

[rapid pulsar]

Is sash alter used in is?

[stray dove]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1SprGBnE4V
Someone enjoyed looping Mizuki's S2 with Titi's sleep

[stray dove]

for high diff, maybe not.

[queen phoenix]

Yall what's the best to pick rn in guide 1?

[errant siren]

There's some safe tile tho. Just they're too close for Molotov Doggos.

[gaunt bay]

icl this tech feels giga useless

[split void]

Radian

[stray dove]

it's just for fun. It's obviously low diff

[gaunt bay]

oh theyre not even playing high diff

🥀

yk what i shouldve known when i realized there wasnt a sentinel segment

[stray dove]

ATO anime PV is out in JP

[robust pilot]

Is it possible to get 5th ending encounter from the encounter in the arch passage, is5 btw

[stray dove]

it was obvious when Eikthyrnir alter died without a single stall

[gaunt bay]

?

they used ela mines with asca

i assumed they were just highrolling

[stray dove]

in IS4? I didn't feel it was too common to highroll there

[gaunt bay]

yeah but they had ceobe to burst

ceobe bursts with mostima alone iirc

[reef knoll]

Dont think i can clear it with this squad can i?
Theres also ethan, purestream and gravel further right. Ft reserve ops too

[flint token]

anyway how’s titi looking

[stray dove]

decent

[errant siren]

I believe you could spawnkill those flowers with Logos S3 for sure.

[stray dove]

it's not exactly too worthwhile to go 6* recruiting a medic unless she's bringing something to the table that you really need

[flint token]

Silence alt beatdown session no.403

[errant siren]

If it was M3 initially to begin with, tho.

[void root]

Sometimes I feel like if I dont get supporter voucher in 1st floor the run is giga cooked in IS6

[stray dove]

out of all the 6*

[void root]

[stray dove]

Silence Alt is the pick for meh?

she at least had an amazing purpose in RA CC nuking

against the mech boss

to keep Ceobe alive from the ASPD pot and Aak killing her

[paper kayak]

no supporter no specialist no guard -> reset

[flint token]

oh aak is still used?

[paper kayak]

unless you got some insane combo

[gaunt bay]

...no

[stray dove]

depends. He was used during the RA CC hundred day runs against mech boss

[paper kayak]

aak niche is teamkilling operators in pvp (icebreaker games)

[flint token]

ig he’s the best aspd buffer available for ceob

[stray dove]

as for other normal content? maybe trolling Icebreaker

[gaunt bay]

broken niche

[gaunt bay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1417578424813486221/1420108778912616509/7N03_M3-ezgif.com-reverse.gif

[stray dove]

Yeah

Mon3tr S2 now exists

[paper kayak]

yeah mon3tr just kinda sent aak to the shadow realm

[stray dove]

as a safer option

[flint token]

Oh yeah

bye bye aak ig

[gaunt bay]

more aspd no help necessary + healing

erm

where aak usage bro

[void root]

I wish we would have a Geek that can act double edged sword besides Aak

Exu2 is just a better sniper

[stray dove]

but lets not forget that Aak gives both ATK and ASPD

[paper kayak]

it used to be aak + medic now its a medic who is also an aak

[flint token]

cute twink but genuinely why bother anymore

[gaunt bay]

atk is piss useless on everyone you want aak to land on

[stray dove]

i mena

anyone who you want to use Aak on

[flint token]

erm there’s geekxu

[stray dove]

tends to be the one that dies to him

[void root]

geekxu 🤮 /j

[gaunt bay]

yeah bro aspd on the ammo skill

broken tech

[stray dove]

ammo-related nuking really doesn't merge too well with more ASPD

[paper kayak]

mon3tr also gives atk too, although less iirc

[reef knoll]

Maybe itll be fine. I have the -skill cost auto cast risk coin tossed

In the coop events to shoot wisadels

[flint token]

more aspd to cycle skill faster

[gaunt bay]

🥀

[flint token]

:glueful:

[stray dove]

just end the ammo skill

[gaunt bay]

i think like

95% of aak targetrs are just

mly or ceobe

and both get like piss nothing benefit from atk

[stray dove]

i still remember when Exu fanatics use Aak with Shining

even way past her prime

[gaunt bay]

that was cope 3 years ago and it still is now

[flint token]

and all the good atk% abusers run ammo anyway

so gg

[earnest shuttle]

tragodia s3 mentioned

[stray dove]

not exactly. Surtr was pretty decently used with Aak during CC4 era

[gaunt bay]

that was primarily for the aspd

[stray dove]

yes

[flint token]

i dont think surtr qualifies as good atk% abuser

[paper kayak]

actually speaking of surtr
is she any decent in any of the ISs

picking her up next week

[stray dove]

no

Surtr is way past being the best arts DPS

[paper kayak]

oh right shes an e2 only bot isnt she

[flint token]

she’s so ass

[stray dove]

her immortality is all that's valuable right now

[flint token]

60s cooldown texalt

[gaunt bay]

quit the tex glaze

tex drops in and dies instantly bro

[paper kayak]

do i gold cert hoederer to unbrick my guard ticket
the real questions

[gaunt bay]

no point

[remote badger]

glaze gravel instead

[gaunt bay]

its just is5slop

and m3 is just better for his role there (well she can role compress)

[stray dove]

no

ATO anime PV dropped in JP

[paper kayak]

I have mlynar leizi and that seems to be it
other than entel ig

[gaunt bay]

just use mon3tr

if its is5

if its not is5 then uh

whats the point of hoe

[stray dove]

dude, having 2 6* target on a class is already decent coverage. Just need 4* backups

[gaunt bay]

bro is kinda dogshit without kingset chalice

if its is6 you already have all the viable guards

[remote badger]

ente-

[gaunt bay]

[paper kayak]

problem is mylnar leizi have pretty heavy overlap so I tend to only draft 1

[gaunt bay]

he said entel

drafting both is good

[stray dove]

they're really not

the sweatlords here use both

in IS6

[paper kayak]

ig...

[remote badger]

its unintuitively time to offrate entel

[flint token]

mlynar does his mlynaring way better than leizi so

[stray dove]

just leave the blocking to the defenders

[paper kayak]

I wish I had entel tbh that modY looks great

[remote badger]

my ass is entelless

and mlynarless

[stray dove]

i remember asking a long time ago when it was Ente's debut event

if she was a must pull

sweatlords said no

so i skipped

[paper kayak]

my deepest condolences to anyone that unironically spend module blocks on her first mod holy shit

[stray dove]

seems that was a decent decision

i have enough strength in what i have

[paper kayak]

shes not really a must pull

[stray dove]

she's 3rd pick for GVG

that's a long ways from being must pick

yeah

[paper kayak]

fun unit tho

[gaunt bay]

mf hes in the shop rn

shill 180 certs

[paper kayak]

I do wish I had her but I don't regret getting my funny event breaker eblana instead

[remote badger]

not enough certs 🥺

[paper kayak]

even if she's ass in IS

[gaunt bay]

stop being poor

:realmad:

[paper kayak]

:((

[faint rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/dorothy-xin-tien-500k-gif-7715997016524481319

[carmine token]

give me money for that

[gaunt bay]

nop

[paper kayak]

my spending went towards exu alter banner where my offrate luck was giga omega dogshit but in return I got max pot exu in 300

[gaunt bay]

how do you think i stay rich

🚬

certainly not by being charitable

[carmine token]

:realmad:

[gaunt bay]

minor spelling mistake

⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️

[faint rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/sopa-gif-27611831

[carmine token]

slop behavior by me

[remote badger]

500kg bomb

[paper kayak]

btw has nasti had any dumb usage in IS yet or is she still potential woman

[gaunt bay]

kid named supporter voucher

sorry bro where vouchers

[stray dove]

it's gonna take a huge thing to make someone be IS-must pull

ngl

[faint rampart]

uhhh sniper pick with Archetto in is6,
S1 lemuen or just rosmontis?

[paper kayak]

the legendary nasti start:

[gaunt bay]

thats still a voucher

[remote badger]

relicless is5 gaming

[gaunt bay]

youre losing out on a radian

[stray dove]

I remember my Ed3 DefSupp run....

Gummy remained E1

[paper kayak]

not even must pull just anything silly

[gaunt bay]

i think like

[stray dove]

because RNG hated me

[gaunt bay]

is5 relicless is meme tier

[remote badger]

is it elusive merc or regular army relicless

[gaunt bay]

cuz less consistent than actual gameplay

type shit

yeah bro ed2 with boat solved relicless (13 6 star ops with petal)

its such a realistic scenario

[carmine token]

how broken

[paper kayak]

its so broken it might just be better than starting with exu ||the year 1 version not alter||

[sinful sparrow]

why would you ask for 500k VND

[gaunt bay]

how much is 500k vnd in 🦅

[sinful sparrow]

like

20 bucks

xd

[remote badger]

why not umm lemme calc

[gaunt bay]

lmao

[faint rampart]

idk its the poor gif

[remote badger]

the prices is rising

[carmine token]

around 25 bucks if im not wrong

[remote badger]

how about 2 ddr5 32GB sticks please

[faint rampart]

damn thats kinda low

[gaunt bay]

thats like

900 usd

so like

[carmine token]

[gaunt bay]

uh

[sinful sparrow]

25 bucks is like 10 years ago bruh

[gaunt bay]

36 million?

[sinful sparrow]

this shit is so ass 🥀

[faint rampart]

Vietnamese millionaire

[carmine token]

its 16.38 euros

[gaunt bay]

oh its 23 mil

close enough

[sinful sparrow]

🫃

ur pregnant

[carmine token]

nuh uh

[sinful sparrow]

yuh uh

[carmine token]

monopoli money😭

[paper kayak]

I don't think this version of the 30k gif would hit the same

[remote badger]

nvm i have some ddr3 rams lying around

if i remember

right

[faint rampart]

[gaunt bay]

yeah but what the fuck works with ddr3 nowadays lmao

[carmine token]

https://tenor.com/view/smol-smolcat-smolcatcoin-smol-cat-coin-roswell-gif-5972314891354809109

[sick mason]

I’m surviving with DDR4

[carmine token]

20$ dollars in dong

[remote badger]

old stuffs

[gaunt bay]

im on 16 gigs of ddr5

realistically its enough right

[remote badger]

shits like core i3 procs

[gaunt bay]

like it kinda sucks when im using certain programs but for gaming its enough

[sinful sparrow]

we should get back on topic before some nerd decided to warn everyone

[gaunt bay]

uh

in

is station

[sick mason]

Can’t blame my 5-year old Lenovo Legion

[sinful sparrow]

are your strategies integrated

[sick mason]

Anyway

[remote badger]

maybe

[gaunt bay]

mika do you like integrated strategies

[sinful sparrow]

no i fucking hate it

[faint rampart]

IS

[carmine token]

which is is da best

[sick mason]

I want IS1 rerun for Utage skin

[cold fjord]

she is in relicless regular army

[sinful sparrow]

to me it's sorta like
is6 > is4 > is5 = is3 > is2

[cold fjord]

however

is5 relicless

so lol

[sinful sparrow]

is5 relicless (base lamp relics)

[remote badger]

so faek

[gaunt bay]

baseline for is5 is giga highroll for other IS

[stray dove]

what ranking category? you liking it?

[carmine token]

is4>is6>is5>is2=is3

[sinful sparrow]

yes

[gaunt bay]

lowkey

fair rating

🫡

i fw it

[stray dove]

IS5 really plummets for me a bit due to Lamp heh

[sick mason]

Does IS6 ed4 6th floor has a shop?

[faint rampart]

why is2 so low wth

[sinful sparrow]

it's boring as shit

[remote badger]

no

[carmine token]

boring

[remote badger]

apparently(?)

[sinful sparrow]

0 mechanic
0 novelty
7 cursed relics per run because d15 is garbage

[stray dove]

have you ever tried doing ending routes in it that isn't Ed2 and Ed1?

it was ass

[sinful sparrow]

It does

[sick mason]

Dude which one is right

[sinful sparrow]

i play CN

[carmine token]

half ur relic be cursed at d15

[gaunt bay]

wait mika does expansion rettcon it for ed3 to also have guaranteed shop always on f6 or is it just changed for ed4

[sinful sparrow]

hope this helps

[faint rampart]

never got the mouthpiece, the playwright yes

[sinful sparrow]

both 3 and 4

[gaunt bay]

[sinful sparrow]

f6 is guaranteed to have a shop and a pf

[stray dove]

Oi the novelty is that it's what I remember IS1 by

[gaunt bay]

huge actually

[sinful sparrow]

thats not a novelty

thats just nostalgia

🫃

[carmine token]

is2 is just reskined is1

[sinful sparrow]

genuinely hate is2

genuinely hate is5

genuinely hate this mode in general

fuck this mode bro

🥀

[carmine token]

same relic with just differnet names

[faint rampart]

[stray dove]

nobody asked

[cold fjord]

Idk man is1 didnt have d15 bsl

u might be pregnant

[stray dove]

IS1 didn't have BSL PERIOD

[gaunt bay]

icl is1 looked like shit i will take reskin any day of the week

[faint rampart]

steal

[gaunt bay]

the relic renders were so ass

[stray dove]

it's still annoying that IS3 WiW isn't guaranteed in a run

[crisp scaffold]

Why Blaze alter is considered mpreg for ed2 in pinned

[sinful sparrow]

you should post :mon3trsmug:

[ionic wraith]

Will they add more ways to farm combat promotions or is it just that one coin

No way wasting pathfinding is viable

[cold fjord]

hoe greyy and silence alive

[sinful sparrow]

dogshit and copium option

[cold fjord]

seems like a win to me

why is this framed as if this was a loss

[remote badger]

caster known ass class outside of logos

[cold fjord]

[crisp scaffold]

Wow casters outside of Logos really that bad

Even Laptop too?

[remote badger]

laptop ass

[gaunt bay]

logos known ass as well 🤫

[terse bough]

Is there a secret modifier that makes the miniboss old fishfuck everytime?

[sinful sparrow]

since when has laptop ever been good

[remote badger]

pretty slop

[sinful sparrow]

she's bad in gen content
bad in IS

[carmine token]

they didnt even remove the is1 minibosses 💔

[sick mason]

You need Yu to boost Laptop

[sinful sparrow]

where is she good

[stray dove]

for me it's not even Logos. It's Ceobe for making Khagan bearable pre-Trag

[sinful sparrow]

20 hope for a shit combo 🥀

[sick mason]

Apparently like when the f people have time to recruit him

[gaunt bay]

wow she goes from f tier to f+

huge

[sinful sparrow]

i could just be drafting exu mizuki and they do more things

that flashy for 3s and then 0 damage

[faint rampart]

heard people says shes good for balls ed3

[stray dove]

Burn dmg only tickles in high diff

[sick mason]

Ofc since Mizuki has IS module

[sinful sparrow]

cope as shit bruh

[cold fjord]

nah
its copium

[sinful sparrow]

🥀 🥀

[remote badger]

purr

bru

[faint rampart]

[sick mason]

Tragodia cat:

[remote badger]

i mistapped

[sinful sparrow]

balls for ed3 when i introduce the concept of liberator guards to them

[cold fjord]

That is in fact the opposite of being good

[carmine token]

[cold fjord]

trag on ed3

[gaunt bay]

but like even from caster defender you can pick like pramalt and hoshi2 and independently they each bring more value than that combo

[sinful sparrow]

tragodia is so bad for ed3 bruh :ICANT:

[sick mason]

Me who used Trag S3 with dream curio for some fucking reason

[sinful sparrow]

terampreg this mf

[gaunt bay]

howd we end up with hoempreg

[stray dove]

you get Trag just to make everything else easier before Wang

[carmine token]

where logosmpreg

[sinful sparrow]

ok how does trog make ed2 easier

thats right

nothing

🫃

[gaunt bay]

he sits there and looks pretty

🤫

[stray dove]

oh you're talking sweatlord routing

[gaunt bay]

morale boost

[sinful sparrow]

allat flashy things to get 'Sleepless'd

or 3x Shake the Mountains

[faint rampart]

there's someone who can do that job better

[stray dove]

btw

is it just me

[terse bough]

is there a better starter than trag post new player syndrome

[stray dove]

but Viewing Gallery gets "NEW" sometims

[remote badger]

exualt

[stray dove]

when i do the first run of the start of the app

feels like a bug

[gaunt bay]

radian by far the best

exu broken too

[remote badger]

or both with the special squad

[gaunt bay]

you can take both with ground squad

or ranged

[carmine token]

ed1 jobber

[woeful knot]

bro doesnt know yu is broken

[sinful sparrow]

wtf its the pregnant male senz

👋

[woeful knot]

ur pregnant

[sinful sparrow]

??????

[gaunt bay]

Just Get™ kettle

[sinful sparrow]

my is3 goat can not fall off this hard

[woeful knot]

you know im right!

[gaunt bay]

whats the yu angle

is he in some slop relicless now

[woeful knot]

there is none i just use him in gen content

[sinful sparrow]

@cold fjord look at this pregnant male
he shills yu

[gaunt bay]

senz known gen content tier

the fall off is insane

[remote badger]

slop-

[sinful sparrow]

senz is like 🫃 tier

[carmine token]

yu - gen content slopper

[stray dove]

I shill yu in gen content

not here

[sinful sparrow]

let me introduce you to the concept of ulpianus gladiia

[remote badger]

i dont have yu

[stray dove]

oh you mean the most boring way to do gen content?

[remote badger]

or gladiia built

[carmine token]

never builing ah slop

[gaunt bay]

you say that as though theres a non boring way to play gen content

🤫

[stray dove]

I've done my fair share of AH-only gen content

it is boring

[sinful sparrow]

slop content gets the slop treatment wcyd

[carmine token]

AH is geninly gen content slop

[sinful sparrow]

i aint wasting my time thinking on gen content bruh

[stray dove]

yeah I personally found Yu global warming to be fun

at least it made gen content less boring

[gaunt bay]

bruh its just flashy effects

[sinful sparrow]

ulpianus gladiia pramanix alter my fucking goats

[gaunt bay]

does jack shit gameplay wise

[cold fjord]

Inb4 senz cooks the most dogshit relicless solve that includes yu

[woeful knot]

nop

[stray dove]

suuuuuuuure IS hardcore player

[sinful sparrow]

it's ok @inland elbow will grind it 😇

[woeful knot]

were running out of maps to play 😔

[sinful sparrow]

(while sending senz 500 pipebombs)

ok bro
now grind mech right side

[cold fjord]

Do the spread

[sinful sparrow]

stop slacking

[cold fjord]

With yu typhon

[woeful knot]

thats prolly a 2 op

[cold fjord]

💪

[woeful knot]

wow true

[sinful sparrow]

how much is mech right side!

[cold fjord]

13 op

then u ragebait cn into cooking 3 op

👍

[sinful sparrow]

13 op into unfinished simulation 😢

[carmine token]

:icant:

[woeful knot]

bros doesnt know its 1 op with relics

[sinful sparrow]

ur pregnant

like

turbo pregnant

[carmine token]

the only use for typhoon is to look pretty for gen content

[terse bough]

thats literally every op bruh

[cold fjord]

Not true typhon is good in d18 pool of procreation 3 op relicless

[sinful sparrow]

senz told me typhon isnt pretty 😇

[woeful knot]

truth!

[carmine token]

[sinful sparrow]

the ed4 8 op relicless ragebait isnt working

wtf bro 🥀

[cold fjord]

its ok senz will get to it in 6 years

[sinful sparrow]

senz is stuck in the is3 mines bro

his ass is gonna grind is3 d20

[cold fjord]

@woeful knot actually

since typhon does nothing

couldnt u have replaced her with sakiko instead

[sinful sparrow]

i thought she's for aerial stun

???

[woeful knot]

typhon still had to stun so

[paper kayak]

kroos alter premium ver

[sinful sparrow]

what if you use pram instead of lin

😊

[carmine token]

stun bomb i cant

[grizzled girder]

i still havent been able to clear ed1 of is6 even with borrowed raidian

[woeful knot]

lin is goated

[grizzled girder]

does raidian need summoners collectibles to perform

[woeful knot]

also we used the whale account lmao

shit ass strat was potlocked

[paper kayak]

i've had lin for 4 months but I keep getting other ops just slightly higher prio than she is

[sinful sparrow]

how is lin doing any damage

wtf

[woeful knot]

cuz shes the goat

[faint rampart]

works fine even without it

atleast at lower diffs

idk about high

[remote badger]

no

optional

[onyx gust]

Ok so Raidian's S3 M2 condition is at 2/3, if i cleared Ed2 with Tianshi Breau Squad, will I be able to straight upgrade to M3?

[winged kelp]

Yes

You can also complete modlv2 and lv3 by completing ed3 using Raidian on diff 10

[errant siren]

You can complete in advance missions you still haven't accessed.

[stray dove]

indeed

thats why it's nice to just skim through all the requirements

and try to do multiple of them in one run

thats why I do mention that you only need to do Ed3 once

on D10

it's better than doing Ed3 twice in D9 and D10

[split void]

I am trying to do D11 end 1

For a radian kill Yi quest also m3s3

Keep failing

[remote badger]

piss easy

just s2/s3 on bro

and stall too

[split void]

[final gale]

yeh i know i fucked my run but wth

[split void]

Maybe I should just stay in 10

[final gale]

the feet still stompin

[faint rampart]

ed1+2 :gawd:

[paper kayak]

my D2 clear was accidentally an ed1+2 clear (ed1 with 2 collectable) bc I didn't know what that node did yet

[proven dagger]

is that what I think it is

[paper notch]

[sudden cloak]

I did this to myself once and i just let the feetsies stomp on the bottom left no problem at all

It wont do the three attacks stomp anw

[stray dove]

I'm curious how Wang's fight opening looks like and when the foot stomp happens

[final gale]

yeh although i found it annoying that i cant redirect the stomp pre ed2

is this always a thing?

[stray dove]

although it's gonna take quite the stall to not kill the foot accidentally

and get to Wang

[final gale]

or maybe i missed something in targeting

[stray dove]

...it's the same as the boss itself

[final gale]

hmmm

ig i missed something

[stray dove]

it's just that pre-Ed2 boss fight

the stomps are....earlier

[final gale]

oh

[stray dove]

so you don't usually have the resources and nuking to prepare

[final gale]

w8

[sudden cloak]

I think im gonna do the usual Exu2 facing top and bait the feet with Raidian fish on the bottom left

[final gale]

i always forgot feet boss prio enemies that are clumped

[stray dove]

thats the easiest way to aggro it

[faint rampart]

omg hi

[final gale]

yeh i always remember the bottom right targeting, but missed the clumping one being in prio

[ancient jacinth]

my stupid ass wasted 50+ life points trying to get a risk coin from plan

the resulting tongbao being surrounded by blue probably says a lot or my luck was absolutely horrendous

[stray dove]

you were fishing for a risk coin that's in common tier?

it was already hard fishing/trading for a 12 ingot (value) coin in Plan node

[ancient jacinth]

there's tiers?

[stray dove]

think of Plan usage

like it's Lost and Found

it's rarity-tier trading

[ancient jacinth]

yeah but where does it state tongbao rarity

[stray dove]

just like relics.....you check via shop value

cause there's no boss-tier in coins thats for sure

[hardy olive]

[ancient jacinth]

this is actually disgusting generation

wtf is ts

[stray dove]

getting there and not visiting Trade first?

has Cannot F1 robbing wounded your LP too much?

[ancient jacinth]

no i dont rob cannot bc hes my g

[gaunt bay]

lmao even haimao admits IS is the best mode

🚬

[ancient jacinth]

(i have an e1 raidian and an ethan)

honest to god

ive seen ling node more than strenous study after i got both that one run that shot my DEF to 6 digits

[stray dove]

he can confidently say it is. I reckon most of the online activity in AK is from IS players
hell, IS is why the other gachas even bothered to try making their own roguelite modes (even if it doesn't work with their core game)

any gacha game would kill to have IS success since it boosts active user numbers

[scenic saffron]

IS so peak

[gaunt bay]

i love IS

hotaru do you love IS

[scenic saffron]

I love IS!

[gaunt bay]

:ya:

[ancient jacinth]

IS managed to achieve replayability without making it a slugfest

[scenic saffron]

Shit kept me from retiring AK because IS is too fun of a rogue lite

[final gale]

and then theres is5

[stray dove]

it helps that AK's core design allows for a LOT of variety and flexibility

the April Fools' game mode shows as such

[sudden cloak]

The way IS gives u loredrop

[stray dove]

and one of those April Fools game modes became a mainstay "Duel Channel"

[ancient jacinth]

IS5 is one of the goats and im not hearing anything else

[stray dove]

Lamp

[ancient jacinth]

i use talons

[scenic saffron]

Is5 is......... Truly something

[ancient jacinth]

lamp is gay as hell

[scenic saffron]

I despised ed4 so bad

[stray dove]

as much as I hate Lamp, Quilon and Amiyi are indeed great

[ancient jacinth]

lamp fucks up exp gain

• erudite squad is better

[scenic saffron]

Lamp when hand mix 🚮

Hate how you're limited to what u bring bc handmix is ew

And adding books is 🚮

[stray dove]

jokes on you

I lamped with GG and Lapptop

[sinful sparrow]

my child will not play is5

[final gale]

nah i wanna bang with amiya bgm

thats the main and only reason i revisit is5

[carmine token]

is5 is ded

[ancient jacinth]

damn my eco is fucked

[carmine token]

[split void]

[heavy pumice]

CC fell off :pepelaugh:

[stray dove]

CC was a nice endgame start for AK's early periods

but it really didn't have much variety or flexibility to expand

[gaunt bay]

Cc had a giga glowdown bro

Peaked at 12

[stray dove]

the more ops we had, the less interesting it would really become

[gaunt bay]

Ccb is slopper

[gaunt bay]

Not at all

They kinda just fucking forgot their old design philosophy

22k defense ass

[heavy pumice]

yeah they should stop there (cc12)
rather than being stubborn and ended up re-cosmetic CCBs

:pepelaugh:

[stray dove]

was there even a single high risk CC that wasn't just arts dps and stall (not including gimmicks that helped with DPS like artillery)

oh wait...CC beta purely had physical nuking ops (ngl ops that early, not exactly many options for arts nuking)

Hellagur relying on dodge to stall

when stats wasn't too bloated yet for physical to no longer be the way to go

[carmine token]

storm carried last cc more then any op

[stray dove]

reminds me of CC that had Manfred and artillery

if a map gimmick damage (for both allies and enemies) is present

it will mostly be the DPS

[heavy pumice]

i mean CCB
not old CC

[terse kestrel]

What is a “turmoil” node (for Raidian’s mission)? Are those the battle nodes within Bosky?

[stray dove]

ngl as someone who's lukewarm about CC content in general, not much changed

hell it was actually fun doing risk chain unlocks for rewards in CCB's design

[gaunt bay]

? Majority of old cc favored phys nukes

[stray dove]

yeah

cause of 2 things

[gaunt bay]

The meta shift towards arts nukes are a post cc12 phenomenon due to sheer defense bloat

[stray dove]

1. there really wasn't many arts nukes that were worth using back then
2. DEF wasn't too high

[carmine token]

cant say anything for old cc cuz i joined after cc12

[gaunt bay]

Cc12 defense was low enough to allow yato to be the primary solution to casters and mortars

[stray dove]

max risk CC4 was a thing...

[terse bough]

Does this mean when promoted from a voucher dropped by combat?

[stray dove]

although Bob was the very reason people went arts

[stray dove]

yeah Pathfinder combat

[gaunt bay]

Cc11 combined both arts and phys nukes and both were viable in separate comps

[stray dove]

the one with flower tiles survival

[terse bough]

Kk

[ancient jacinth]

no only from the pathfinder combat option and leifapunishment

[terse bough]

Alr

[stray dove]

wait Leifa coin counted?

[ancient jacinth]

yes

iirc

[gaunt bay]

Cc10 favored true damage

[stray dove]

.....ehh wouldn't make much difference. Getting bells was more common that getting that coin

[gaunt bay]

9 was a block stall with sleep + ranged phys/arts nuke

[stray dove]

well we can see why it became a sleep stall

[errant siren]

No, exactly when doing Special Battle in Pathfinder

[stray dove]

that map was as toxic as CC5

in terms of keeping your units alive

[errant siren]

Those one

[gaunt bay]

8 was a sleep permastall with phys nuke finisher

[stray dove]

sleep was easily spammable stun

[gaunt bay]

Ect

[heavy pumice]

how many cc favor stall again? only remember golem stall and cc9

[gaunt bay]

Its majority stall

Stall is fine, a most of them combined burst strats and stall strats

[stray dove]

ngl i do love my max risk stall watching

especially the UT themed one

[proven dagger]

most max risk CC favor stalling

[stray dove]

with some doing riskier strats

[gaunt bay]

Certain high threat enemies or unstallable enemies were dealt with through bursts and highly durable enemies were stalled

[stray dove]

to do fewer stalls

[final gale]

i only remembered that cursed sash gif in ccb9

[stray dove]

lolz

a classic gif

[proven dagger]

every max/highest CC has a stall

[gaunt bay]

Thats how ak gameplay should be

[proven dagger]

even cc1 had a stall 🤫

[carmine token]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-its-fun-doe-arknights-players-be-like-gif-26262160

[proven dagger]

although idk if the crownslayer thing was for highest risk achieved

[stray dove]

i don't think you can consider CC5 as a "stall"
Unless we're considering unblocked Suzu/Saria S3 for debuffs as part of the stall nuking

[final gale]

but then again i start breathing in ak near ccb9 debut so rly dont play that map that much

[heavy pumice]

hmm oh yeah
forgot its max risk, stall + burst are the majority of strat :icant:

[gaunt bay]

Every ccb meta has been required arts burst and some form of “ground is lava”

[proven dagger]

ccb2 and ccb3 had viable ground

[stray dove]

CCB1 didn't have issues with ground units

[gaunt bay]

Viable ground my ass

[stray dove]

CCB2 and CCB3 does though

CCB4....i guess the zappers?

[proven dagger]

CCB2 and CCB3 were fine for ground

[carmine token]

it did

[stray dove]

not much anti-ground in CCB4

[gaunt bay]

The fuck it was

[carmine token]

ccb2 was cancer

[stray dove]

it fucking wasn't in mid/high risk

[gaunt bay]

Dude this is actual gaslighting

[ancient jacinth]

literally

[gaunt bay]

No high risk strat featured a single melee combat unit

[stray dove]

Ines S3

[carmine token]

worst of 4 new ccs

[stray dove]

[gaunt bay]

Thats not combat

Thats util

Ur a goober

[carmine token]

steinless

[gaunt bay]

Thats also not combat

Ur all buns

[proven dagger]

cc5 is bursty yeah, I think max risk had some stall actually, at least on the right side

[heavy pumice]

[stray dove]

they're damaging enemies
even if tickling, it is combat

[proven dagger]

it was high risk

high risk guard strats existed lol

[stray dove]

even max rewards didn't like ground units. At least for best risk combo value

[gaunt bay]

Point me to the melee combat unit in max risk

🤫

U cant cuz it doesnt exist

[proven dagger]

I said high risk

ccb2 was fine for ground

[gaunt bay]

Okay so were lying

[proven dagger]

you burst on right side of map

[gaunt bay]

Got it

[proven dagger]

im not lying

stop ragebaiting

[gaunt bay]

“Yeah actually it cant clear max risk”

[stray dove]

right side....you mean the fucking idle group of enemies?

[proven dagger]

I'm talking about high risk in the first place

[stray dove]

the one that mattered not as badly?

[carmine token]

for who

[proven dagger]

those ones mattered badly

because they were all the elites

reedbreakers, staff guys, spewers

the orb guy

[stray dove]

my dude, thats where it mattered the least on ground harassment though?

[gaunt bay]

You deliberately had to drop certain risks to fit in bursts for melee operators to be viable lmao

Thats not viability thats called dropping difficulty

[proven dagger]

that's viable

[scenic saffron]

All roads lead to ceobe s2

[proven dagger]

it's in the 800s

it's viable

just play good

[stray dove]

Did CCB3 use Ceo?

[proven dagger]

🤫

yes

[gaunt bay]

So not max risk

[stray dove]

oh wait it did

[scenic saffron]

Yes

[carmine token]

for shieldguard

[stray dove]

it even had Reedic and Ifrit with Ceo

[gaunt bay]

Not even talking about optimized max risk here it simply cant even clear max risk

[heavy pumice]

seem like both are talking with different mindset

[acoustic ridge]

how i upgrade coin risk dawn teaching?

[scenic saffron]

There's the guard from chp 14 that high ass def so u know ceobe eating even more good with buffed cc stats

[proven dagger]

max risk isn't the only metric

[stray dove]

Plan node in WiW

trade it out

[gaunt bay]

Its the only one that matters

[proven dagger]

not really

you're wrong lol

[gaunt bay]

Nop

[proven dagger]

ceobe also used for drone

funnily

[acoustic ridge]

oh so in there, i though in safe zone

[carmine token]

she got like 1.7k extra atk with res inculding

[scenic saffron]

Yuhh

[gaunt bay]

Bruh melee strat cant even clear max and ranged goes for optimizations

Theres a massive difference in viability

[proven dagger]

yet it's still viable

[stray dove]

ok i think it's fair to say all of us having strong opinions on CC. It was a huge part of AK's earlier years until we got more and more alternate game modes

and seasonal content

[gaunt bay]

Thats not how it works

[proven dagger]

that's how it works

[stray dove]

i respect how much each of us enjoyed it to varying degrees

[proven dagger]

melee units are viable, you just need to play smart

it's a strategy game beo

bro

[gaunt bay]

If a team cant even clear d15 meanwhile another can clear 245 d18 then the prior squad is unviable

[proven dagger]

do you expect your wins to be handed over on a silver platter

🫃

[gaunt bay]

If your strategy requires you to drop difficulty then its not viable

[proven dagger]

?

that's not how it works

[gaunt bay]

Thats exactly how it works

[proven dagger]

viable doesn't mean solely the min max

[stray dove]

i'm not gonna be too close minded in measuring whats best based on CC max risk relevance

[gaunt bay]

This isnt about the min max

Were not even discussing the optimized squad clears

[proven dagger]

that's what you're describing

[stray dove]

i get it. Theyre defending strats below max risk

[gaunt bay]

Were talking about clearing max risk at all

[stray dove]

that does mean you are valuing max risk as the most worthwhile measure

[gaunt bay]

Fundamentally if you simply cannot even compete at the highest level then theres no viability

[carmine token]

?

[stray dove]

but....

there are max risk strats

that only existed there and then

and no longer the case due to multiple reasons

like the lack of high ASPD low dmg fuel of Liskarm for sleep

or other considerations that were strong in old CC

but were either powercrept

or no longer relevant

if we measure via those things

there's only one constant

Ceobe

[gaunt bay]

Jusan i think you have a different conversation in mind

Please reread what people are talking about

[stray dove]

so just the viability of the clear?

as a max risk clear?

[gaunt bay]

…no

What

[stray dove]

please expound on this.

[gaunt bay]

I think the problem is the understanding of max risk as the pinnacle of min max when the ultimate endpoint is not simply clearing max risk

[stray dove]

it's solving it?

cause that is its selling point

[gaunt bay]

There a “low” op clears for max risk

[stray dove]

it's solved like a puzzle

[gaunt bay]

There a levels to it

[stray dove]

way different from other content in AK

it's the hardest endgame content with a single map to solve in highest risk.
and thus the solution is difficult to find and just slowly ironing it out until only VERY few strats ever work

[proven dagger]

i think CC by nature favors specialization more than anything, especially the higher you climb, so naturally roles get compressed a ton. But I do believe that non-max risk clears are "viable" whatever that means. My point is that non-max risks still carry merit because of how far they push ops and showcase how viable their niches can be in the CC environment

[cold fjord]

yeah cuz 13 op and 8 op max risk clears are pretty different

[gaunt bay]

^

If we were to use is as an analogy here

[stray dove]

I mean it's easy to understand that.
I've seen in earlier CCs how different a deployment limit risk strat and squad size risk strat works

[sinful sparrow]

is ros hyping in this chat

[stray dove]

cause one has a huge pool but constant redep

[terse bough]

Easy analogy, texalt is viable at low d is3 and not at high d, wow a unit its viable and non viable at the same time!

[stray dove]

and the other has a small pool but always present

[gaunt bay]

It would be saying like wis snp has 90+% wr (or such and such) and say, hoe ange has like 40-50% if youre playing perfectly

[stray dove]

IS3's CN took a while for them to discover that Krooster was the way to go

[gaunt bay]

Both comps in that scenario are viable

[stray dove]

previously they had some interesting ways to solve Mantas and hovering enemies

[gaunt bay]

Because they are both able to compete at the highest level

One is better than the other but both are viable

[cold fjord]

one is viable, one is also viable but better

[gaunt bay]

Similarly one is more difficult to play and yet is still viable

The conversation differs here in the cc analogy because the comp simply cannot play max risk

[stray dove]

as someone who mimicked max risk strats in WR CC and Ch10 CC (and cleared max risk for those)

yeah...

[gaunt bay]

It is impossible for the squad to even clear max risk

[stray dove]

the harder strat is too tight in execution

[gaunt bay]

And thus its not viable

[stray dove]

and sometimes RNG reliant (fucking Phantom S3)

[heavy pumice]

seem done arguing
me personally agree to both kiwi and cynik idea
it just you guys not in the same page

[gaunt bay]

Imagine if we had a squad that was simply incapable of clearing 245; that squad is not viable

[stray dove]

does Quilon or Amiyi have any relicless?

[gaunt bay]

No

[stray dove]

makes sense

[ancient jacinth]

actually impossible

[gaunt bay]

Yeah

[stray dove]

those bosses felt like they were made with Lamp in mind

for max diff

[proven dagger]

i think we just have wildly different perspectives of the game

[ancient jacinth]

her DR alone makes a relicless run nonexistent even in theory

[proven dagger]

yeah

[carmine token]

u have too little time for quillon too

[cold fjord]

tbf you can clear individual maps relicless

[proven dagger]

quillon can be stalled with ethan

iirc

just uh

get lucky

[cold fjord]

the test is clearing all 3 at the same time

which is

[proven dagger]

we don't talk about p2

🤫

[cold fjord]

[carmine token]

where are u gonna get the aspd for tat

[proven dagger]

ethan solo

ethan doesn't need aspd for permastall

just need luck

🤫

[stray dove]

damn

that's a lot of heads in cointosses

in a row

[proven dagger]

strongest op everyone sleeping on

[carmine token]

1 in ethanilion chances

[proven dagger]

Ethan is an IS6 reference

[ancient jacinth]

bubbles is theoretically the strongest unit in IS6

[stray dove]

Hoshi is the best staller

just gotta be lucky

and skill is luck

[proven dagger]

bubble fr?

[ancient jacinth]

no cap

because of a single tongbao

[stray dove]

wait

[ancient jacinth]

strenous study.

[stray dove]

since it's easy to get +1 block to allied units

wouldn't one of the best stalls be

[ancient jacinth]

that shit doesn't seem to have a cap

[stray dove]

Beanstalk crab

like back in SN

[ancient jacinth]

and I got to 136 tosses before I lost interest and ended the run

[stray dove]

with the +1 block buff?

[heavy pumice]

def buff?
well she the only one who can do that

[ancient jacinth]

that's 200 + 100(136) DEF alone

not to mention if you abuse ling that shit skyrockets to 6 digits

[stray dove]

i do like the Masks in IS6 that isn't charcoal

[ancient jacinth]

Which means 6 digit S2 numbers

[stray dove]

they make any blocker be really decent in value

[ancient jacinth]

if it doesn't cap at 999 tosses then theoretically she can deal millions or even billions if the game allows it

[heavy pumice]

ohhh
she can reach that numbers
ok IS6 tacfort look more interesting again
have to note that

[ancient jacinth]

also the reason why I've been asking DEF-related questions across the server recently for the astute observers

[stray dove]

i mean

DefSupp always looked amazing (in CN right now)

since we have Hoshitter, Ange, Trag, and Haruka

at least soon for global

and thats without Raidian

[heavy pumice]

didnt know until now there is a way to buff deff 'infinitely'

[ancient jacinth]

still a theory

[stray dove]

well....

i'm not exactly gonna rely on flat DEF buff stacking

not when arts damage could hurt worse

[ancient jacinth]

since it didn't stop at 100 safe to assume it would at 999 at least

also because it's actually torture to keep doing ling and tossing for three hours straight for only 100 tosses

[heavy pumice]

that is what i am looking for
been agonizing on how to improve bubble use case in IS
(one of reason why i always pick her in my starter)

[ancient jacinth]

also

skalter S2.

if you have a cracked strenous study tongbao and have every collectible from ling, everyone has 5-6 digit DEF regardless

[proven dagger]

what does this do

[ancient jacinth]

200 base DEF + 100(every time the tongbao is tossed; presumably infinitely)

[proven dagger]

[ancient jacinth]

also freezes for 5s but who actually cares when you have all the collectibles

[stray dove]

it feels like it matters if you're going Ed3

at least on the.....poison side

[ancient jacinth]

I like to imagine Sui stepping on bubble then just immediately dying

Lego brick

Wang will disintegrate trust

[stray dove]

ngl that flower coin that increases ops HP based on shield is already absurdly strong especially if you're burning all your ingots on Nian Desires

at least my preferred tanking tool

[proven dagger]

i love that one

[heavy pumice]

i even try to test every def related relic on is5 for her
turn out good but not as high as i expected
around +45% def isnt high enough apparently

[stray dove]

They don't even feel the lightning anymore

since it's easily healed

[heavy pumice]

look like flat deff buff is more reliable and appealing

[stray dove]

after tanking it like a champ

[ancient jacinth]

problem with DEF buffs in other IS is that none of them can breach past the upper portion of 5 digits

[proven dagger]

i should bring crownslayer s3 for lightning battles

[stray dove]

....why

that S3 would die out before it ends

[proven dagger]

to make her a candleholder

[ancient jacinth]

strenous study solves it by just giving the multipliers a big ass number to multiply from

[heavy pumice]

yeah didnt even reach 4 digit with all of that

[stray dove]

and what if it's the variation with ice drones

that does the constant lightning damage near the end

based on ingots

[proven dagger]

why would the ice drones matter

[stray dove]

just telling you the variation

it chain lightnings you near the end

[proven dagger]

you don't need to kill the enemies

[stray dove]

you kill it so your healing doesn't get shat on

[proven dagger]

oh usually I burn all my ingots f1 and f3 so there's barely any lightning

i rawdog ts

[stray dove]

you don't do chalice or ASPD coin runs?

[sinful sparrow]

cynik known mpreg

[proven dagger]

i rarely see those two items in the first place

[stray dove]

and if you do?

[ancient jacinth]

tbf chalice is pretty rare (for me anyways)

[stray dove]

you throw them out?

ignore em?

it's a pretty easy way to win

[heavy pumice]

btw thanks for info
finally found a reason to play IS6 thoroughly :ya:

[stray dove]

i'm not talking about the ASPD coin only though

[ancient jacinth]

also ive noticed that noone in CN is talking about strenuous study being actually broken

[stray dove]

i do not rely on a strat based on coin tosses

and retosses

[ancient jacinth]

or maybe I haven't searched enough probably