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E1 60 Cuora gets this far if you sniper bait till skill use 


https://youtu.be/n4b3K9EfhMw?si=sDxF3OgSIkDqRLg4 just triple medics and silence the bear
@acoustic ridge ok so I got it down to
ye im too lazy to run lower and optimiz
@wicked minnow just remembered about mudrock collosus, mantragodia shreds them 
then again it's not like their def is high so exu2/wisadel would do the same thing but hey it's pretty cool
now just give them like 10,000 def
and its competitive
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damn they kinda rolled them 
ceobe food pleaes
tbh this would probably do more dmg
as in mantra
not sure tho
and then again it is 2 ops..
Nuke theresa as fast as you can and stall at the right top
The notes around her are dmg reduction
So if you dont break it she has 90% dmg reduction
On phase 2 it clocks opposite side so you need there second too
You have to have 2 caster/sniper in cages and walls around them
There is H14-4 Tragodia solo and it is funniest shit ever for that map at least
Holy hell why are there so many dps check stages near the end
i beat it first try after you told me this
omfg
Adverse 16-16 is funny
maybe i was just blind tbh
Degen + warf does 90% of yurodstvo hp
Havent tested that yet tho
Wisadel does most of yurodstvo hp
Sakiko can burst if enough visibility
16-17 is afkable
16-12 stall check

i have permastun Chen in the making for 16-12
just annoying i need to E2 Mon3tr along
havent checked if Alanna double stacks
yeah only takes like 1.5 hours

Mantra is absurd.
he has 40k hp, not that hard to kill him
It's about bypassing whatever the heck Manfred nonsense on H10-3
This stage put pretty much everyone in pain back on release day.
And today he died in one second by one skill
Well ManNotYourFriend having 90% DR unless he cannon himself isn't H10-3 exclusive, H10-3 buff is making all enemies dot around them while he is here
manfred stick is dodge,no dr
DR is Dodge rate

Minus played you
But that still translate to "Manfred is the problem"
The way it played is you need to time the cannon while preparing for burst and defending two separate lane.
Which every single enemy has that nonsense dot and necrosis.
This is how i won that shit map
#strategy message
Good old time of throwing shit on no sanity on loss till first win
I haven't tried it but Mantra also slap Damazti out of existence, no?
I mean Degen already did it 
but Mantra do it in literally like one or two seconds..
It just absurd
I slapped him with pre Ulp AH and never again i will be near that shit
I mean her gimmick would spawn her clone so she wont die in few secs
But how about cursed 8 second nuke window 
Ball?
Ebenholz 
When Damatzi does like 8 second animation for global aoe bullshit with drones it can't do 4th close thing. Bunch of records for H12 use that
timing on daz goop too
Wait.. now that mantra needs crowd. You literally can use Damazti drone to cook herself 
DR is mostly damage reduction
Or just tank the cannon, easy
tank the cannon and kill cars that make mobs apply necrosis
even max level cuora can tank it
Yehey it took me 3 tries to clear it yipeeee
I didn't know that bear is just hate to tap

unironically narantuya is pretty op in this one
You know who's better? Hoshi1 or decel binders

Raidian s1 during skill works as a free option
I don't like using meta, I got bored
I like using meta so i did low rarity
Adverse ofc
lemme test if my strategy works on adverse aswell rq
Too bad, I don't build much 5 stars below ops
Audacity to use more than 10 ops
Me too
I raised them for IS
Its just funny
building all those chars is probably cheaper than 1 e2 6* 
If 5* and 4* Still works for me even low invest in IS
Miners will take care of those
this is what i used for it
i think doing it with ejyafjalla alter should bare similar results
you can just put down wisadel too if that should be the case
nice dodge
@wicked minnow 
LOL
I need to do level 2 of each stage still... 
kek
narantuya fans eating good this patch
They're all easy
Well maybe only 16-16 and 16-7 are problematic

how to do 10-7
ambushers
i see
put ascalon on bottom lane, ez
I had issue with 16-16 even when i added medium amount of rarity abuse in 
ehat 16-7 again
i think it is that one order dude and how i hate that one artillery in corner (also top left leaked)
Nah not necessary unless they specifically want s1m1 or module
i wanna upgrade to shu 
and uh i think i am just dumb. it didnt work
same here, wish you luck brotha

use better dps
ty
dont let artillery hit them
bring someone with taunt
i would say they should though cuz she'll be a good asset till they get shu in the chen alt banner
ill try again
artillery will focus npc when buff guy is on the field
i should first bait the cannon by a fast redep no ?
I need help for this thing called yurodstov.
How are you supposed to fight it?
like canta or smth
the same way you fight Faust
just let if focus chars below where you have a healer
It can instantly defeat them after a few attacks
their attack speed is slow
just heal in time
bait it
dont bait with someone who gets oneshoted obviously 
it's force retreat

only on second hit
ideally you only fart 1 spot
which is the baiter repeated spot
same as how you fight 5-10 Faust
thats an option too
Let me put in a way you understand.
Unit get hit
Survives
Repeat 4 times survives
At the 8 times it will die
well yes i know how boss works
Buddy
Three seconds ago you didn’t understand that it force retreated and told me to just heal
because there was someone with different mission
yoo
Cannon attacks most block unit, so its either gravel, yato or noir
Shu and saria can tank cannon if they have modules
Roberta carries
at last i can auto deploy this stage and up my logos to e2 
People complaining about the bear is so funny when 16-15 is fucking Hitler reincarnated
I LOVE global range aoes +invisibility
Is that the hold out stage?
cant you just like
wait out the timer with the dialog lol
nah its 17
hmmm
good battle, in fact not much of a hassle
16-15 is fking shit stage
tequila works too
yes its not
well, stuck for 1 hours but its more about adapting to a strat needed
I like myself 16-15
idk man i just jump everyone with yalter so
well that was the first clear
for my simulation clear i brought hoshi s1 + mlynar + teq + bubble
Aura monsters squad
aura monster in question 
lol
i didnt play simulation part yet
it took more effort if want to play some niche shit
Wait i just remember that penance exists

I like the mechanics this time, it's just the final boss kinda sucks 
finally useful civ 
Dang the feeling after losing multiple times on IS, then when suddenly got lucky was like winning a gamba 

Bear is not that hard tho
logos e2 at last! 
still quite a way to unlock this module of him 
Also im wondering how does beanstalk breaks bear's pathing
Sometimes he goes in the wall
Right before the beanstalk
And sometimes just ignores beanstalk when he shouldn't aggro right onto the decel binder in the back

uh basically the targeting for this chap is bad
the checkpoint creation seems random
The bear in specific has some uhh
either enough to hit hated op or too short and bear loses aggro
they have like 3 different sniper units

Interesting properties
phase 1 bear after the rage mode should run right?
depends
but sometimes it still go to my ops even when downed 
this squad fine for 16-16 or some changes needed?
i do wonder if Bili has alr made discussion about it
ye that squad is good
What is mtn doing
ngl, boss kinda underwhelming
technically sakiko, haruka, hoshi2, and ines are enough
What is the e0 blaze doing 
just chillin idk,i dont use him anyway

Bring a fast redeploy maybe then
yes I brute force it but I didn't even know the boss' mechanics through the end of stage 
first phase is manageable,secong phase is my problem
i do but boss attacks kill them too fast
you mostly want healing on right side at start of phase 2
phase 2 is force retreat right? so dp recovered?
or else miners die
haruka s2
dont have enough time to place healers
you kina have to make time
and it also puts redeployment time to like 10 seconds or 15
reasonable redeployment time, at least not full time
as long as you have miners alive + can bait dominion
and you get nuked by butterflies
hoshi2 tanks butterflies till i get the healing going
i just place sakiko right and she get insta-deleted
bait dominion
does yurodtsvo still use dominion phase2?

it's mostly the butterflies that kill your ops
I thought it's a typo but fuck is that the boss name 
the CN name simply means "The Foolish"
sounds better to me 
his attacks deal damage multiple times tho
Almost all of the atks in phase 2 are aoe
Most of it is a spacing check
the mechs and the boss and the butterflies
nah, the AoE is from losing 20% HP
the normal attack change to 5 hits but slower and priorities different target, so deploying more bait is better
So most of the atks 
The boss takes a long circuit around the top side of the map and then immediately gets hit with your team’s burst when they approach from the bottom left for most ppl i’d expect
The entire time its doing a lap around the map the main thing its doing is spawning butterflies
and watching the mechs shoot missiles at u
Saki, wis, mon3tr and hoshi is already enough
Even for simulation lvl2
saki s2,wis s3,mon3tr s2 and hoshi s3?
idek at this point,it's always the second phase that destroys my team
10
Saki s3
Why tf you downgrading saki to s2

Mon3tr construction baits the dmg so you dont blow up instantly. Left side is almost untouched, so wis there is just afking atp
And hoshi rdp time after you nuked down yurodstvo on right top pathing
Is enough to place her before the robots come close to blue box so you just s3 and done

just did it lol thanks everyone
almost messed up but managed to deploy wis in time
16-17 looks like shit too,do I just wait the timer out?
dominion again huh :icant:
guess i have to bring the big gun for p1 and somehow manage fogs better
seem like a lot of effort to beat this shit :icant:
any tips for uh
16-16
yurodstvo's fucking me over with the instakill gimmick
and phase 2 is a pain
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Yes, just wait 6 or 7 minutes during miners conversation
well I played it now,is it any different than just playing the level for 7 minutes or nah?
like another route or something
its a bug
Bring gravel and second executor
Easy
the mission obj is survive 8 min, but the timer starts when u press start and talking is a free action
Chat how do you beat 16-12?
https://youtu.be/n4b3K9EfhMw?si=sDxF3OgSIkDqRLg4 stall or hoshi1 borrow
Most of them can be e0
Medics must be e1 and higher is optional(all my medic's skills arent maxed)
Cuora is e1 maxed
have u tried putting a defender down 
Got melted instantly
Wait, phantom exists, ypu can bait dominion hit like that loll
Hoshi alt s2 s3 kinda useless here
I saw mr nothing perma stun the bear
Is that true?

With Exu2 s2
Bruh
After not attacking for 3 seconds, increase the ATK of the next attack to 175% and Stun the target for 5 seconds
Eith module
look at the dmg type the bear deals, now look at hoshi alt's stats and class name
lets add the bear inflicts +100% dmg taken to its target
Ah
and make it attacks twice with buffed aspd
make it attacks thrice at phase 2 and turns it into ability so it bypass paralyze and frigten
Enter 9-5 worker
1 pt of def missing = x4 the dmg taken 
So hoshi alt is useless here?
lets also buff its ATK on adverse
Her non-alter version is perfectly fine tho

Which skill worked best?
also make it able to ignore invisible and camouflage just because
S2 but you need to redeploy after phase 1 ended
And then silence the bear

u don't need to redeploy
hoshi can tank the rock throws, u just toss lappland or jaye s1 down behind the bear when it approachs hoshi
what pot
Ok sure then
Use jaye, his silence skill is on e0
And works to silence entirely
I mean I can e2 lapp
Bruh
dude
how the fuck do i deal with
yurodstvo phase 2
i try to place smth on the right side
she just obliterates it
then the wraiths leak
well who are you placing and where
hoshi2 left haruka middle sakiko right
if i place sakiko right she can kill yurodstvo early
one s3 kills her
the problem is like
sakiko keeps on dying
i wonder why
Enough for the bear?
overkill yah
Maybe the fact that sakiko is tanking a 5 hit barrage probably isnt helping
most of the dmg dealers are unnecessary
the boss isn't very tanky, it just has a lot of DR while angry
hoshi1 can solo it in a few minutes of being afk once jaye silences the rock throw, if u feel like it

do i swap sakiko and hoshi2's positions
i managed to get sakiko to survive one time
u read the second half of the atk's description and plan accordingly
for example.. that gravel or choice of fast redeploy u were using to tank the dominion in phase 1
that's one way to do it

Wth
The bear turned into a sandbag after I slienced it
yeah
No way this is easy
it is in fact that easy
bear overhyped 
Mon3tr
heals miners
o wait ya
Can't heal corpse 
Ye she heals everyone, construct also has hp enough to tabk it
ok yeah mon3 start worked
For mon3 you would use her s3?
Well in this case I'm trying to beat the bear as well with the mon3 Strat if possible
I have this but honestly don't got a clue what to do its probably a bit overkill but i'm lost.
borrow Hoshi
Her s2 right?
S1 S2 works
Haruka should be enough to keep Hoshi alive
worst case scenario theres Trag S3 ig
ines s2, a defense defender, a healer, and a jaye s1
It worked thank you very much
np
for 16-12, am I just meant to make the boss flee?
or put it between 2 ranged units or smthn?
keep it baited so it doesnt escape, waiting out its skill timer. once that runs out it will slowly limp off the map, use that time to set up for tanking it in phase 2
alr, ig I need alot of super cheat units?
yeah. decel binders and tacticians are good picks for this
Ines s3 very good for stall bear lol
i see
but i didnt know gravel actually a caster
to bait dominion
I forgot youre casternights
dementia moment


no worries
at least this map give me a reason to actually being a strategist
16-16 is a bit frustrating because phase 2 might as well be an entire second stage that you have to wait 5 minutes between attempts of
https://youtu.be/n4b3K9EfhMw?si=sDxF3OgSIkDqRLg4 bait it or use maxed protectors(defender subclass) hoshi1 is perfect example, so you can stall even during enraged phases
@marsh ocean https://youtu.be/_7NZMExR6P8?si=gM0c9TRtMry6a_e4
modern units mop the floor with talulu, plenty of better guides out there
but if using wis, notice how I cycle wis summons to avoid getting blown up on top lane
tysm
Talulah projectiles are that slow for logos? Wtf lol
yeah u gotta time it correctly tho or one or two will slip past where his range is 1 tile shorter
Is this h8-4?
yea
Makes sense
They civilians dont die by 1 tho, so its alright
I cant load vid so
It is called Logos skill 3 doing what skill 3 does in description 
I mean i was surprised how slow meteors are

Slower than regular mobs, thats for sure
99% slow moment
Mostima grr
Also does crownslayer work for the bear?

wdym by work?
To stall
let me try 
No stun immune so
ye
even knight tech work on it
how many other ops do u need to bring to cover her cycle
wow zumama usecase 
if not enough dp for start then Ines S3 can stall a lot ig
Yea very funny
Lol it works tho
oh yeah boss spawn is time gated or kill gated?
It spawns after time
Uh.... fuck 16-7
True
really?
if that so guess i will make use of mostima
On my OG clear all civilians some fucking how survived and killed shield guards.
On my pain+2 attempt those shits die before Thomas the punch bot arrive
Also i hate entire Order gimmick having prioritiy over my taunt to reflect artillery to death strat 
?
I have molotov artillery die to Vendela S2. But when commander goes in all artillery ignores my taunt bullshit and starts bombarding civilians on some lovecraftian logic which i am too lazy to look up on CN wiki
as how it is to every special targeting
ignores taunt
prio trait
until HG saw Bison main niche didnt work in CB and had to revert CB enemies and only them
16-16 second phase, boss kills the miner than the mobs just go through...
surely u can put someone down before the miner gets wiped off the face of terra
but then the boss uses that fog then i can't kill the mob and it kills the miner
put more people down
Kill the boss on right top path and mon3tr covering both miners spots and construct negates the nuke on right side
Exu2 Nothing is alr no hit
this is my team on second phase
thats a lot of vg
Dont retreat ur ng on 1st map, she have to wait normal rdp timer if u do
well if u spawncamp then theres no range
Nothing just beats up bear both phase
cant even escape until proc invuln
ok, almost did it now, but the ground getting dark when the miners are away is a pain
do I pick warf or ptilo as my second medic? (1st is silence)
Ptilo, u want multi target medic
I need help on 16-12. Freaking bear.
Hoshi can tank it, or Cuora with skill
can't silence already do that with drones?
Yea, more versatile with the option
Regular Hoshi or Hoshi Alter? Because my Hoshi Alter went down after like, 6 hits from that beast.
https://youtu.be/n4b3K9EfhMw?si=sDxF3OgSIkDqRLg4 regular hoshi borrow or my lowend clear
Trying to clear without borrowing so...
This is what I currently have. Not the best but eh.
Or you can watch my lowend clear and try replicating by replacing cuora with hoshi and add dps
but like if u know what u gonna cook with warf, go ahead :smoke:. Ptilo just generic recommendation, good multi targets heal on s2
Enough of simulation lvl 2 for today 
Yo you finally did it
Congrats
What do you mean finally? 
just trying to have diferent strats, I got a few aoe healing options with drones, saria and myrtle
oh right i complained 3 hours ago
Its just my brain percepting the time
If u dont know what to do with it, just ptilo
Civilian healing scaling of medic's ATK stat is so troll medic check 
Or just kill the wraiths yk
take a look at what dmg type the bear does and take a guess 
Using an arts tank to tank not arts
Nope 
Mon3tr Trag on S1 should be enough to stall bear for a bit hm
or well i guess there's technically hoshi alt s1 but have fun surviving 15 hits with hoshi alt first
Just double flag and have haruka + mon3tr s2
Oh wait haruka s3 usage?
Lol
probably only czerny and asbestie that fit on that, tho tbh its just defender that deal arts dmg on skills
at that point u can just slap a normal defender down with 1 medic
Good old starting stage before reading risks 
Y4eeee
when the boss is coming from the right he's sending a fly, and the ground its fogged
Launch miners
And then boom the boss
Easy
2 miners spawn, all your shit refresh for deploy, tank for right miner, AND DONT BE ME WHO SEND LEFT MINER AND DIDNT BLOCK DRONES
struggling with 16-16
should I switch to yurodstvo hp and aspd?
Ye, there was 4ops clear with yurodstvo buff
yay, thanks for the patience guys, this fog mechanic its annoying
does anyone know how to get to these stages? been losing my mind trying to locate them 😭
Week 2 of chapter release
i see 😭
Also finish stages on Adverse and do enough Strategic Simulation to score 4/6/10/14
already finished
These stages are getting harder and harder for low level-random knights.
Had to use 4 high level units (trust slot loss) (wisadel, gummi, ines, utage) + timing npc blocked shieldguards so wisadel doesnt ignore the unblockable enemies too early
did you guys killed everything on 16-17?
No i just waited since i dont wanna dps checked

Yea ocd kicking in
Drones survived by cheating timed stage end 
Not with undulation slop
would recommend just zuo le it
use someone to hold the other lanes, use zuo le to kill the possesed guys
When it's hard use S3. When it's easy use S2 to make it harder.
0:00 M8-6
2:10 M8-8
4:52 H8-2
this should help u with M8-6 lol
Dawg
2nd half of ch16 is really shutting down all dps operators through the new slugs.
is it?
If u failed to read
can't you just use the miners
I used someone who needs to be low HP anyways so works for me:)
Exialt cheese them i believe, didn't use her whole chapter

The miners take a while to reach the slugs (they start on opposite sides of the map) and you have to stall them with defenders + healers just to start the map
apple pie just heals back the dmg
Tried to put a maxed out wisadel. Barely managed to 1v1 a single slug
why are u using wis anyway
Someone had to test it.
and if you want her to kill slugs just let her pet rocks do it
damage goes peepeepooopoo if no multiple targets but wow that's alot of multi target dmg 
150kHP x2 gone in 15 seconds
Dude said All dps ops, in truth its wis brainded again
"all dps ops" guess exu2 isnt a dps

go use exu2 dawg
Said to that guy not me
People learning reflect damage for the first time
does anyone know how to do 16-16 while i am 🙁 I mean it's a bit too challenging to replay with every possible char, and thank god for Rebuilding mandate cause i've tested a hell of chars
I used degen for that crazily enough iframes are saving my ass
It's possible with 4 ops lvl2 simulation. Wisadel and saki are mostly used there

is it wis saki exialt healer?
Wis, saki, mon3tr and hoshi2
ah hoshialt

I mean its burst option and survives the nukes at second phase left side
Exu2 can also work ig
Dph is enough to beat them
yeah I was struggling with the mech aerial bombardment
is 16-16 the timer stage
ah
hm i have none ... so i can use one XD
Wisadel then, she does most of the job baiting dominion during phase 1 and pretty good dmg on yurodstvo
I'm pretty sure its possible with 3-4☆ and wis borrow

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Dude done the Ritual
Summoning ritual
Time to raise chen1 in case we get a ccb/IS with them 
Smh d5 and d7 feel like different worlds
My noobass fumbled easy wins (along with forgetting enemy mechanics and bad rng that fucked me up but thats beside the point) while trying for ed2 but damn on d5 its a joke

Isn't that the point of the reflect chests?

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1HtW6zfEU1 there should be also related single core on related vids below that. Trag, wis, and Wang there for some reason
U dont have to do all simulation, for fresh acc 24 points all u need to unlock H stages
I cant load any vid so, cant explain whats goin on there
I can guess its just dominion bait routine
Turns out even tragodia is useless because if you try to one shot the slugs with the cat tragodia instantly dies
Just give your trag a medic man
i wasted 3 days on previous 15 lvl
I'll test
nvm
how is the 4op clear for 16-16 lv2 done? do I need hoshi alt m3 or somethin
wis takes reflect

@fringe solstice don't u 🥀 me
if are trying low ops without max level and mastery, it might be tough
They roam there for a while iirc
I just watched a hoshi2, wis, fang2 clear 
16-16?
Damn 
fang is just to get enough dp for hoshi2
They go together like 3 at a time. Even that is a lot to handle especially since they take multiple instances of damage
I have sakichan e2lv90 m9 pot5, wis e2lv90 s3m3, monmon e2lv60 s2m1, hoshi alt e2lv1 sl7
Smg why not max pot saki
I tried but got a useless femboy twink caster instead
monmon stole my second attempt

Ccb guard token farm ut us
already bought both tokens from cc and red cert shop
Give him secind medic and try in batches
Or uh just borrow degenbrecher
do the low ends use mon3tr s2?
I haven't seen a lot yet
I haven't seen anything at all someone just said 4op clear with those 4 has been done
but based on the thumbnail of the bilibili vid u posted apparently u don't even need the rest
can't watch it because bilibili mobile site is cancer
anyway seems like hoshi is core so probably not doable without her higher level and masteried up at least
gonna try with borrowed hoshi
it seems from the video that mon3tr s2 is used to increase the attack speed of saki s3 so you'll just have to test if you have enough damage
with m1
The skill timing seems tight but it kills phase 2 in 1 cycle
if you have ulpi the timing isn't as tight and you don't need mon3tr s2. The 3ops (saki, mon, ulpi) used mon s1 
damn monmon s1 usage
did you clear it yet
Without borrows no
Obviously I could Always wisadel tragodia surtr hoshi alter from someone else, but I'm trying to clear all the stages with my own ops
Medicmiya their ass
if you want easier time can wait for medicmiya too,can add your lemuen too
if not going for secret ending just unga
No holding back! https://youtu.be/WvVml2D1dzo?si=GFqOaEVn_yUip0jl
No room for elegance. Blast them to smithereens.
It took me years, but finally got Yelena 3 stars. https://youtu.be/twZcLO4cV0w?si=Q1iDt-b_iBMlC2Az

In the end i used lv1 medic + exu alter lv7s2 + borrowed arturia s3 + tanky defender.
And even then it barely made the cut in adverse +2 cuz arturia s3m3 barely recharged in time
whats the strat for 16-15?
Hold left side, right side just help miners with dps and then just reinforce your both lanes and then ranged dps in top middle and place defender in left medic's range
okay so far thats what im doing lol
oh right btw, what did u use me for?
I needed to test s1m3 hoshi2
Since haruka s3 is enough to charge the skill
And then the bear melts
oh sorry I only had s3m3 on her
the bear can get levitated?
Ye i thought m9 was meant all skills with masteries
hoh
And 60% sanctuary makes almost anyone invincible
this is good right? 7-7
true
Yea
I have haruka's s3m3, yet I never use it 🥹 I need to use it more..
Place saki to shoot from left to right to burst manglerbeasts
hmm.. I should've replaced hoshi2 with vulpis after the two first mortars were gone
some of those spies got in the right box
but other than that im good
Yea thats why i used ranged dps
Saki also works for that
i dont have vision on that right tho thats the problem
might use ines instead maybe
Miners
Yes
I literally brute force my brain with exu and ines down left meanwhile Zuo guard top left in case of leak
is my strat a brute force in 10-7
the physicalsss
feeling like the only way to get level 2 simulation on 16-12 is with the sniper/caster ban, and keeping defenders and medics available
depends on your roster,but yeah I also think that one's easier
Wrong link
it basically comes down to "who can the bear kill in one attack" and the answer is "everyone but a defender", honestly
after all
phase 1 can still be cleared by using trapmasters and geeks
and summoners
does ines even reveal the red mist for allies to hit enemies
and tacticians...
yes
but it doesn't remove the mist
like, it removes invisibility
as long as they reveal enemies in the mist
you can have it chase after summons iirc
Yes yet rock cant hit summons

Red s2 anti rock tech
huh.
dorothy moment, I guess
Purestream permablock tech
I just brought dorothy because she was my only leveled trapmaster
so she's like a pseudo-AA
but then I realized
slow traps :3
Doro s2 + trag s2 is enough until invulnerability phase for bear
And then just stun/silence the bear

I didn't even consider silence
It’s just a hoederer moment
That freaking red-head female dog.
Why does she do so much damage??
I'm having trouble on phase 1 of the fight.
What dog are you talking about
This female dog.
In case you are not aware, another term for a female dog is a certain five letter curse word that starts with "b."
ok big dog u got me there
Big dog is six letters.
Im not talking about that
Also I freaking hate those guys that can't be blocked. They're the main reason I am struggling on phase 2.
They keep slipping pass my units and there weren't any miners to block them.
U supposed to kill the slipper while on it, also not rushing left miners too early
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Mon3tr is extremely strong in 16-16
You want to deploy as many friendly units as possible to spread out the boss’s normal atk and to eat aggro for the miners, so a 0 deploy slot cost lure is really good
for 1st phase use sakiko camp middle facing left, healed by m3nster above right, ulpi top lanehold
send miner to scout boss, use sakiko s3 kill stuff
2nd phase ulpi camp blue bx left, saki right face top, m3nster btw them both, use skill kill stuff
u are done 
You have trag, vulpis, mountain, etc and you can't kill those guys? 
Even using gladiia s1 facing backwards should kill them
Can you give me the specific spaces to put them?
Are you referring to the unblockable guys I mentioned or something else?
if not enuf dmg or heal just use ur other 8 slots
maybe some helidrop etc bait atk do dmg
If you're referring to me, it's because the haze makes them invisible.
And there is usually no miners around to light up the area for me.
let them come into range, miner scout near m3ster receive heal
Kill them in the brief moments there are miners alive
If you cant keep the miners alive
Or just keep them alive so u have more vision, either or 
What happens if that red head b-word uses the smoke attack thing?
She doesnt use it in phase 2
That thing instant kills, if I recall correctly.
I know. I was referring to phase 1.
Bait it?
Like, with a fast redeploy?
Yes, them
Yes?
Normal rules apply, enemy targets last deployed op
Ergo put your last deployed op somewhere that wont screw you
Do I use Mon3tr S2 or S3 for this stage?
ooh well.. u must pray sakiko being 1st deployed kill boss b4 she dominion her
u will be deploying ulpi last, the dominion will kill ulpi, then m3ster, then sakiko
she will need to do 4 hit summon dom, so ulpi will tank 8 hit then m3ster another 8 hit
What's the red-head's attack range?
so pray ur sakiko kill boss b4 
hi how do you do that 16-12 stage with that bear 
pray fever happen n sakiko become godmode
if m3ster die n no other healer
Keep luring him away until rage runs out or facetank with built bricks
for 1st phase just bait until orange bar gone then he go to stairs n 2nd phase same thing slow him delay orange bar, then is tankable
Does killing the red-head phase one auto-kill the other enemies during phase one?
And seriously, S2 or S3 for Mon3tr for 16-16?
yes, u will go new map n new enemies
heal duty no time go down dps
https://youtu.be/n4b3K9EfhMw?si=sDxF3OgSIkDqRLg4 my lowend clear as example
Hoshi1 borrow works perfectly fine
If you replicate my guide exactly its better to use hoshi2 for faster killing
Lvl 90 is better yea
Chat, I am trying to do the funny™ with mr.nothing and exu alt S2 and perma stun the cocaine bear, how do I go about setting it up?
How can I tell which effect Mr nothing got on his S2
BLUE: ASPD debuff
YELLOW: ASPD buff
PURPLE: Physical dodge and block buff
Ty
Also realized I might need his module, but I'm broke so guess I'll have to wait 
Can't wait for 16-16 and H stages to go beyond the fking ceiling
What day is H stage? To do boss stage I think I will just wait until then
Funny enough i managed to do all of ch16 adverse and simulation without borrow (other than 16-12 simulation cos my small roster got screwed by the bans), and then i couldn't do 16-17 adverse due to the anni dp mechanic

Friday-Saturday.
No agent is pain
March 26th, 11:00 PM GTM.
26th is thursday no?
Smh shrimply wwit out the timer
you can decide how you want to open this, the main requirement is being able to kill the three slugs that push row F, ines works for that but canta + sakiko should work as well
use whatever vanguards you have at your disposal
the goal is to get leizialt and mon3tr down asap, then burst when the scourger almost reaches the flayer around G6/G7
if your leizialt and mon3tr dont deal enough damage, supplement with sakiko here
executor is just to push the bomb and deal with the slugs in that lane
logos can go down whenever you have the dp to put him down
typically the deployment order goes vgs to hold row F, leizialt, executoralt, mon3tr, logos, if you need sakiko then try and figure out where to put her
alright
either way, see what works for you
mon3tr is very helpful for sustaining your dps in the toplane and she clears out all of the blood amber with s3
you could probably find your own strategy for dealing with the top lane using her
i see
but hm
im fine until the boss
which killed both sakiko and degen
whats with the ines borrow 
more dp
this stage is so bad..
this recording is too long so uhhh
are you using the double bomb thing btw
you get a total of four bombs to use against him so im surprised his hp is still so high
i used 2 bombs
i think.
if i can get my uh
mantragodia combo to live, im good
but if they die im screwed
why are both bomb loading points destroyed if you used two bombs tho 
you can prep a bomb before hand so you get two bombs per loading point to use against the boss
because i use the first bombs to explode the thing that respawns
then next two bombs on the boss
is there a way to perma stall the blood guy
with def or ulpi
Hes unblockable no
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Hm
Mightve been different enemy then
Dont remember i blocked him or not
you should have the ability to summon 4 bombs to use against his phase 2
i literally blocked him with canta here
destroying the altars doesnt cause him to retaliate against the loading point
the thing is that
i need to kill altars to get to his phase 2 
you can also just stall him with trag s2 
I did but i also wanna get the hidden ending later

Later being after i get an agent
So
Sneg
@sterile delta
thanks
i used 4 bombs this time
and kept my mantragodia duo alive
and jumped him
3 dp girl
But no, not sneg
Sneg doesn't generate enough dp
Ines, if not then cantabile or surfer
any possible strat to beat 16-16 with my squad?
https://www.krooster.com/u/chubs_cute
plenty of strats
just relies on brain usage
should be very easy ye
you have enough dps for boss easily
what's the x for
well if you don't use brain you can still fail with their squad
I would prove u wrong but I don't have half their roster
anyway they can just hoshi alt ulpeanits and yu burnslop it 

the unblockable ones are annoying
the boss is fine but those destroyed my plans completely
i had to borrow ines to bind them
phase 1, they only need a little bit of help. phase 2 for the bottom left you keep them stationed there. top right you get them moving so that it allows you to dps down the boss early
yeah phase 1 was the problem
Why not use miners to stop unblockable 
@wicked minnow how far u rn on story?
I don't employ miners
I kinda don't know what to do now (overwhelmed) in terms of ops progression need help on who to go for now :3
wtf pro
Oh wait wrong
another projekt red victim
e2 leizi alt
Mb wrong ch
i finished chapter 16 on main and alt
Nah I did it for the love of the game
give ascalon modx1
I was clearly not tricked
Smh ursus civilians, where are my ursus miners
wow why do u want to see miners
why not
im never going to your private island
ursussy civvies better than hortus religious civvies at least
I had no idea tanking the bear was the go-to strat and approached it in an entirely different way ngl







