strategy

[faint scaffold]

i cant ask in the fried's id thing

[strange marlin]

Just look for his name at the caster class.

[faint scaffold]

friend

e1 lvl 80

the only one i can find

[lilac steppe]

Can add me if you want

[faint scaffold]

okay

[faint scaffold]

whats your id?

and wher do i put logos

[lilac steppe]

RedInst#6525 its capital "i" not L

[faint scaffold]

do i sell him and do i need to need to heal him, do i need to sell my other characters?

[lilac steppe]

I dont know, i just saw your message that you need logos.

[faint scaffold]

okay

sent

s2 or s3?

[strange marlin]

Put him here + bring others to take care of the small fries

Reserve his skill when the dragon arrives

S2

[faint scaffold]

okay

heal him too?

[lilac steppe]

Oh, its the kroosalter stage is it?

[faint scaffold]

mhm

[strange marlin]

I don't know. Didn't upgrade her. Ethan can deal with the fire spirits tho

[faint scaffold]

dont have him

[strange marlin]

You can buy him in red certificate store. He kills the fire easily with his s1

[faint scaffold]

well i failed

wait not yet

no i did fail

with all this help youd expect id win already

[glass monolith]

Don't worry, it is not even that much help yet Not even screen sharing conference

[faint scaffold]

might have to

[glass monolith]

Which part kills you anyways. If boss kills operators too good just Kirin Yato while everyone retreated in phases 1-2 and phase 3 just need someone tanking lazer to prevent tile bans

[faint scaffold]

cant take the lazer in that which is why i die in that phase

[glass monolith]

Healthiest unit you have and bunch of medics. Medics can go to high ground so they don't waste time healing themselves (Lazer does half damage to people behind front most unit)

When 2 medics don't work, use 3 is my cursed solution

[maiden hound]

surt hospital but for regular op

[pearl compass]

[lilac steppe]

I remember i only use 2 medic, ptilo and purestream that time. Maybe with haruka borrow can work. Also blaze is interesting just for bodying the fire since she have invulnerability of few second

Hoshi alter 11 sec for everyone, iirc

Cant imagine how year 1 player did it

[glass monolith]

Warf, Shamare, Exu, and give death certificate to boss

Modern operators is self sufficient nuke buttons. Past was clown car of buffs

[faint scaffold]

lost

no i won just

i just use air units now

only one went through so i wont get 3 stars but i did it just

good thing logo can go on high tiles

[glass monolith]

Tail nuke in 3... 2...

[faint scaffold]

huh?

if i did more damage to the others i would of won

[glass monolith]

Boss is still fighting with skills

Or you like already won

[faint scaffold]

i won cuz the boss was the only one left

now i need to try and do iw-1 ex

idk if i can do it

nvm done

got pot6 krooster

[glass monolith]

Usually EX-1 etc stages not that bad. And don't question why I ragequited DH-EX-1 when I started the game

[faint scaffold]

lol i just kept trying different things

[glass monolith]

Well it is correct approach when one just don't work for whatever reason

[faint scaffold]

that why i kept spamming in here when i fought the dragon boss

[glass monolith]

Understanding why it didn't work and how can we bruteforce it anyway comes with time

[faint scaffold]

yes lmao

[weak gazelle]

yeah keep going
its better to try it yourself than relying on guide (not saying watch guide is bad idea tho)

[faint scaffold]

i kinda didnt listen to any, i tried some and didnt work

[weak gazelle]

by trial and error method it will eventually improve your skill

[faint scaffold]

thats how i nearly got 6 stars on it

3 not 6

[weak gazelle]

its ok a win is a win
can perfect it later
push story to unlock recipe at workshop

[faint scaffold]

?

[weak gazelle]

and start build and promoting your core ops

[faint scaffold]

mhm

[weak gazelle]

?
i mean build your team asap
some ops require certain mats to upgrade

[faint scaffold]

i know, also i have a skill for krosster

https://www.krooster.com/u/ryukatsu my roster rn

[weak gazelle]

care to share what your team look like?

[faint scaffold]

who should i replace necrass with

[faint scaffold]

give me a second

kichi will be replaced by tqulia when i get him

[weak gazelle]

hmm
kinda waste you try to get krooster solely cause exu already there

necrass are very good laneholder (require e2 tho)

swap kichi for gracebearer yeah

[faint scaffold]

taqulia will replace kichi

[weak gazelle]

that would do too
its not much different anyway

[faint scaffold]

exu replaced with grace?

[weak gazelle]

no
your exu already e1

[faint scaffold]

then who?

[weak gazelle]

rather kick krooster or bassline

[faint scaffold]

for?

grace?

[weak gazelle]

leave it be as empty slot

[faint scaffold]

okay?

[weak gazelle]

that way you can fill that 2 free slot for adjusting with certain stages

[faint scaffold]

2?

[weak gazelle]

build your gravel to e1 lvl 40
she will be very useful sooner or later

[faint scaffold]

e1 already

[weak gazelle]

here the mindset when you can beat stage by 10 ops why bring 12?

[tender orbit]

Trust

!!!

[weak gazelle]

if 10 cant do, you can use the 2 free slot to fix it

oh yeah, hoshi2 and necrass e2 will be your top priority
if doesnt have mats for hoshi2 (due to the recipe locked behind ch 15-9) put surtr on priority
those 3 will be your core for a while

[woeful moat]

Can only get 150/400 kills in annihilation chernobog, what should I change

[austere skiff]

Arflanyr on YouTube has a low investment clear

Aside from that uh

[maiden hound]

upgrad yo ounit

[austere skiff]

Get rid of exu, specter and vigna

You’re heavily underprepared and underleveled for this

[dense hawk]

Is this the chat for stages help? Cause I need a bit of help with enemy math

[pearl compass]

Yes

[sonic willow]

Levels

[dense hawk]

Tell me if I am correct
If I use Theresa talent that removes 20% ark form sarkaz enemy
Then use ulpipi with gladia with takes away a 30% atk
And then use vina talent 1 for another 20%

Any sarkaz enemy will deal 70% less dmg?

[pearl compass]

halp

I was beated by

M A T H

[glass monolith]

Damage reduction is multiplicative, also remind me how Vina talent looks

(Makes smart face like he knows what the F Theresa does)

[foggy grove]

it's all multiplicative
tldr any sarkaz will deal 55% less phys dmg

[glass monolith]

Also Theresa talent 2 is -15%. Talent 1, skill 1 and skill 3 all affect Trait (so 52.4% less against physical damage by Sarkaz, 40.5% less against arts Sarkaz)

[idle bloom]

Which Mujica 5 stars will i have to build along with saki

[dense hawk]

How

[dense hawk]

She and allies in 8 squares around her take 20% less dmg

[glass monolith]

It is 10% and +5% improvement, it is shitty way to display it

[dense hawk]

Mmmm

[dense hawk]

Damage reduction is multiplicative?
What do you mean by that

[dense hawk]

Module?

[glass monolith]

Module buffing other talent

[elder flume]

the first way you did was additive where you just add everything
tho damage reduction and atk reduction is an entirely different thing

multiplicative is multiplying each buffs to one another

[dense hawk]

So we have dr from
30% gladia
20% vina
15% Theresa
If I just add them I get 65dr
Meaning a enemy dealing 100 will deal 25

Is this how you apply it?

[foggy grove]

no

[dense hawk]

Then how?

[foggy grove]

you are using additive

when it's multi

[glass monolith]

Take 30% less = Take 70%
Take 15% less (Sarkaz) = Take 85%
Take 20% less (Physical) = Take 80%
(100% = 1) 0.7*0.85*0.8 = take 47.6% damage.
1 - 47.6% = Take 52.4% less

[noble pewter]

even if is 65dr would deal 35 dmg

[dense hawk]

Oops my bad

[dense hawk]

Ah

Why they did like that?

[foggy grove]

do you want 100 dr?

[glass monolith]

Because it is how game works. "diminishing returns"

[glass monolith]

Yes

[lethal palm]

sad to say that it's always been like that :<

[dense hawk]

You can hard cap at 85 like in other games

It just feel weird

[noble pewter]

just hit 99 here is better

[elder flume]

if a physics equation says force = mass x acceleration
do you then write it as force = mass + acceleration just cause

[dense hawk]

Like the 0.7x0.85x0.8
By math just lower each other

It feel weird

[noble pewter]

just add more sources

[elder flume]

most games handle DR as multiplicative anyway

[glass monolith]

Chapter 9 burn is elemental damage. Chapter 8 burning is status effect. Welcome to "not Diablo 2" or whatever other game

[dense hawk]

Question, wouldn’t leaving just gladia take more dmg?

I feel like 0.7x0.85x0.8 just lower each other

[elder flume]

you missed out on 1 - 1 x DR

the lower the number the better

because 1 - total DR

[foggy grove]

he is confused

[dense hawk]

So adding Theresa effect to the team do not reduce damage by much and thus it’s best to have a healer or two

Mmmmm

[glass monolith]

Yes. It lowering. Because it is "Damage taken". You lower damage taken and if you curious by how much % you lowered it you do 1 - resulting_number

[dense hawk]

Since I am here,
I was trying to block patriot in Max risk

So now if that only takes 52% of his dmg he still do 1.500

[glass monolith]

Stainless S3 for 36% Physical DR... Also is Patriot even Sarkaz enemy? I honestly don't recall

[elder flume]

x 4 hits if its phase 1

[dense hawk]

He is

[dense hawk]

That why ulpipi, other defenders would die

[elder flume]

is max risk Pat only 3k

havent calced

[dense hawk]

From what I understand base patriot has 2400 atk
The max risk give +25% atk

= 3000

[elder flume]

leme just test

i assume its 1600

since thats base 7-18

[dense hawk]

Patriot talent work on himself too

I heard that

[elder flume]

yeah but it all stems from base atk

4000 per hit

[dense hawk]

So now with our 52% he does around 2000.

[elder flume]

pretty much

roughly 8k per stab

tho no idea where the base atk is

1760 CM x 1.25 stage buff x 1.7 P1 buff only results to 3740 atk

[weak gazelle]

so total less than 8k with all of that dr

ulpi survive iirc
or his hp below 8k(?) not remember

[elder flume]

no skill Ulpi mod3 is alr 7k hp

funi op

[weak gazelle]

hahaha
yeah that much is true funny hp will tank all dmg :ya:

[glass monolith]

Wait, is his inspire not targeting himself?

[elder flume]

it does

+20% atk

then +50% atk P1 buff

additive

[glass monolith]

I took 3500 (I assume +100 applied after hit successfully) on attack speed pat. 3500 is 2000 (H stat) + 25% Stage buff + 50% P1. But if +20% inspire is added to patriot himself who is source of buff idk lol lmao

[dense hawk]

Mmmmmm

[glass monolith]

Current state of math - F it

[dense hawk]

3500 per hit?

[glass monolith]

I guess he was really upset about us killing his daughter or something idk

Also Amiya being shaman Sarkaz king

[dense hawk]

I think he would been more upset if he knew doc tried to hit on her

[elder flume]

did you take 25% atk risk

oh wait its a must

[glass monolith]

25% is core, there is elites do 140% attack scale

[elder flume]

why is it different to mine

oh

you didnt take herald

[glass monolith]

Heralds + Elites 140% (fair Pat is Leader so elite don't buff him)

Heralds are +10% ATK each so uh........ Something must be attack scale because if heal +100 was after damage then I took 4100

[elder flume]

nah

Ulpi heals before damage is done

[glass monolith]

4000 and 3400

[elder flume]

1600 x 1.25 x 2 = 4000

1600 base atk

1.25 stage buff

20% Pat buff
30% Herald buff
50% P1 buff

[glass monolith]

Oh there is 3 of them, also stage was phrased as +25% so fuck it

Yea both numbers math out

[thick sphinx]

I was able to best the stage with wis, but there r too many boom canisters 😭

The challenge mode is tough

[glass monolith]

As person who managed to align healthgate with turn off ovens skill so well that it was impossible to spark ignite them due like 1 second lock i can't provide any amount of help

[thick sphinx]

😢 it's the last stage before I do lone trail and Dorothy thingy , atleast will they be easier?

[glass monolith]

Depends, at least their global AoE bullshit not as screen whipping. If you play game normally. If you don't: #strategy message (Lone trail S boss spoiler)

[thick sphinx]

Not gonna look at the boss yet

Is he hard?

Ye i QUIT the last stage

I got so close and it leaked 😢

So imma do this later

When I have more firepower

For now, it lone trail and Dorothy vision for me.

Hope I can clear

But surtr rlly does crazy numbers

She's like so good if many elite enemies or boss is grouped up

[glass monolith]

Depends, not murdering you as hard as Harold and event mechanic don't make half of places not valid for alive

[thick sphinx]

Hmm

[thick sphinx]

Wait is he a boss in ex mode too? Or is it like the babel event? Where ex stage does not have amiya as the boss?

[vocal leaf]

this was one of the hardest stages in the game due to the boss nuke, it can be hard to manage, ng is pretty good against him and now haruka should be as well

[narrow pendant]

I think thats stretching it, bestie

[vocal leaf]

what part?

[narrow pendant]

"Hardest stages in the game"

[vocal leaf]

i think it can be difficult, harold is a very strong boss

[glass monolith]

Hardest stage in game if you can't time shit (Points at Minus)

[vocal leaf]

yeah it’s the type of stage that requires to interact with the event mechanics to not get wiped

[elder flume]

surely Contrail just avoids right

[glass monolith]

Meanwhile Exu2 event: Here is sleep tile mechanic
Refuses to elaborate on Ammo, ammo refresh, healing, barrier, barrier statue being deployable, whatever the F boss thing was...

[thick sphinx]

The boss is easy.

Wis and lemuen and surtr finish him at different locations

They give us flint anyways

Plop a myrtle down and dp ur good to go

It's the guys the shoot hard

The damn boom canisters

Idk why but that's actually what they r called 😭

They keep killing all my ops over and over again

Haruka is always target even though I placed her down first

So maybe i just lack some dmg or good tanky units

So it's just one op worth a stage

It's better if I skip to lone trail and Dorothy instead of wating my irl anity in the stage

[elder flume]

seems weird boom is killing you

only Harold nuke should be problematic

just silence them then

newbies wont have Waai Fu but atleast Lapp Jaye exists ig

[thick sphinx]

Idk where to place lappy 😢 if I place her first, it has to be next to a heater, if not she dies instantly

[elder flume]

not a problem no

[thick sphinx]

Hmm

[thick sphinx]

Yea well, I'll clear it later, plus i alr cleared the stage on normal mode

Just need to time it rt and play around with placement

I'm not in the mood for that rn 😢

[thick sphinx]

Lone trail and Dorothy are both doable rt?

[thick sphinx]

Hmm

[thick sphinx]

Who's ng?

[elder flume]

everything is doable

[thick sphinx]

Damn

[vocal leaf]

nightingale

[thick sphinx]

Idh her

Also is silence alter and astagene good from line trail and Dorothy welfare ops?

[vocal leaf]

i didn’t expect you would, just was mentioning good (defensive) counters for harold

[vocal leaf]

no. ignore as usual
silence has a niche but i doubt you would use it or need it

[elder flume]

Haruka kina takes over most of what Silence2 does

no longer strongest sanc

[glass monolith]

Stack everything

[thick sphinx]

Alr

[thick sphinx]

Ahh ok

But I don't use haruka s3 tho lmao

[thick sphinx]

😆

Good point

[elder flume]

HS S 2 feels like it wants me to use Yu

[glass monolith]

what was it again

[elder flume]

thinking of Mountain S3 and Wild Mane S2

depends if enemies survive

[thick sphinx]

Which mission is that 😢

Looks scary

[vocal leaf]

shu event, here a people sow

[thick sphinx]

Ah

[elder flume]

Middle enemy move sequence has a lot of gaps

[main halo]

So this is CC pratice mode or something?

[nimble pawn]

My low cost team is complete. 3-7 was a real challenge for me but these did the job. I love the two defenders their design is beautiful

[daring escarp]

Kinda like that yeah. Its like an old cc and you can get ui cosmetics for the clears and also medals

[elder flume]

tfw 2 hours

[hazy sinew]

honestly id use steward instead of amiya

[faint scaffold]

is there anything in taqulia event i should be careful with?

[wintry gulch]

Remember to use the buffs on the left side of squad selection menu

[faint scaffold]

i think i got good buffs, but idk

[fringe solstice]

Probably the high tide mechanic, ground units take corrosion damage(elemental damage that lowers defense every time it activates) and cannot place ops when the tide is going on

[faint scaffold]

got tequlia

[faint scaffold]

pot6 too

[faint scaffold]

so i should do story and wait for new banner right?

[bitter halo]

yep

[faint scaffold]

kk

[valid loom]

Steward talent for targeting highest def target can come in handy for sure. besides he's Steward
good early base slave

[hazy sinew]

thanks man

[atomic flint]

Which of these is strongest to E2 first? Got gladia surtr and exusisai E2

[weak gazelle]

chen easily

the fact she have true aoe already big advantage compared to others

[valid loom]

who else do you have E2 already?

oh gladiia lol

[faint scaffold]

true aoe?

[tender orbit]

Not limited to certain amount of enemies

[faint scaffold]

any recommendations?

[faint scaffold]

ah

[valid loom]

all i'll say is the defense up tiles are a trap lol

except the ones in top right/bottom right corners

[faint scaffold]

okay, anyone you think i should bring?

[weak gazelle]

hit everything in their range
ground, hover, flying, aerial etc

[valid loom]

u need to tank clownslayer unless you have insane dmg

or at least bait him

[weak gazelle]

as long as they are target-able

[valid loom]

try the stage. there's a lot of bumrush enemies/dogs, and some drones

[faint scaffold]

so mountain and exu mainly okay

krooster too

[valid loom]

fuck I called him crownslayer
i meant skull shredder lol

[faint scaffold]

lol

[maiden hound]

her*

[valid loom]

well yeah that's the spoiler part

[valid loom]

if you have exu u can try to melt the boss in the beginning

with S3

[faint scaffold]

i dont have the skill 3

[valid loom]

ah fair

[faint scaffold]

ill see what happens

[valid loom]

then you just hunker down on the right side

remember to deploy someone tanky/bait with fast redeploy when the boss is in range

aoe dmg will wreck if you deploy in the wrong order

[faint scaffold]

oh

was gonna use hoshi2, mountain, exu and krosster

[valid loom]

well if u have hoshi2 it should work lol

should be tanky enough. probably kills boss

[faint scaffold]

which part top or bottom?

only have her e1 btw

[valid loom]

the boss will go around like the map is showing

just defend the right side

and sacrifice some fast deploys

[faint scaffold]

if i have any

ill try pratice

[valid loom]

even Yato works. Gravel

[faint scaffold]

messed up

won

[valid loom]

nice

keep grinding. a more fun boss next ep

[faint scaffold]

did it

[faint scaffold]

fun

which should i do now i did 3-8?

i have is and ra

[vocal crescent]

You are still a bit far from doing RA, IS is barely enough also.
Better do some main story chapters for now, wait for Ave Mujica collab in a few hours (over 10), play the event stages to as far as you can, and then progressing from that.

[faint scaffold]

okay then

do i get blocks?

[vocal crescent]

One main point too: dont miss the Ave Mujica banner. Sakiko in that banner will make you progress in the game like you have never seen or imagined

[vocal crescent]

Iirc no.

[faint scaffold]

damn it

i need one good op, hmm who should i use???

https://www.krooster.com/u/ryukatsu

[vocal crescent]

Hoshiguma for main dps
Mountain (low priority cause he good at E1 alr) for laneholding solo
Surtr for boss nuking
Exusiai (low prio since Kroos is fine for you for now) for anti drones
Basically almost all 6* you have, and even Necrass too cause she can solo one or even two lanes for you pretty comfortable

[faint scaffold]

2 i was gonna use her for one

hoshi

[vocal crescent]

Skills prio are
Hoshi 3 then 2, but if you are very low in resources, 2 is fine
Mountain 2
Surtr 3
Exu 3
Necrass 3

[maiden hound]

assuming you get her e2 you aint s2m3 before s3m3

[faint scaffold]

i dont have any of those at 3

[maiden hound]

and skill upgrade are concurrent <m1 anyways

[faint scaffold]

okay

[maiden hound]

anywyas id prio necrass over surtr/exu/mountain

[faint scaffold]

shes at skill 7 already

[vocal crescent]

Fair, Necrass can solo most pre-C9 story stages

[faint scaffold]

c9?

[maiden hound]

chapter 9

[faint scaffold]

ah

om on 4 now

[vocal crescent]

After Chapter 9, the main story mechanics got complicated so Necrass can only handle fairly easy ones.

[faint scaffold]

i see

who should i aim for once the event is out?

[maiden hound]

the 6*

[faint scaffold]

any of them?

[maiden hound]

theres only 1 6* on banner

the ambusher 5* you get for free in the event is fine too but lower prio than the 6* you currently have

[faint scaffold]

ahh i see

okay

[naive drift]

Question, how's this for like... base early template? (Still got to level and E1 most of them

I'd substitute gummy for cuora but i dont have her

[faint scaffold]

struggling here

[glass monolith]

3* Kroos skill and talent make her out damage most 4* snipers (Don't skip skill levels on DPS characters). Are you low rarity gaming?

[vocal crescent]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1vvu1zbEKa/ borrow someone Necrass to do it

[faint scaffold]

i just did it

just needed the right support

[vocal crescent]

nice

[faint scaffold]

i was having trouble cuz i couldnt place fast enough

[naive drift]

What is rarity gaming?

[glass monolith]

Low rarity. Some people self challenge themselves for various reasons by limiting themselves to something. It was just strange to see pure 4* rarity squad, sure 6* and 5* not as cheap and rushing just high rarity will burn resources quick but not even including them feels off

[naive drift]

Oh well, I just like the colors because ocd go BRRRR

And also I do prefer the ease of leveling and increasing their elite

[vital arrow]

not using *5-6s kinda painful

spreading yourself too thin means you're gonna take longer raising your actually good ops

[thick sphinx]

VERY complicated.

[vocal crescent]

I dont want to overload his brain

[thick sphinx]

Ye lmao, ch 10 is kind of scary i haven't even touched it yet, and the story itself got more damn intense lol

[glass monolith]

If we want to talk mechanic overload. Fucking Exu2 event. What they were thinking to include so much gimmicks at once AND include other event enemies with their gimmicks on EX stages

[thick sphinx]

I wasn't there for that event, if u of all ppl struggled I'm scared to see what it would do to my irl sanity 💀

Oh come to think of it, i started to play on 11th Jan, today is EXACTLY a month after I started playing, ave mujica event is out, crazy 1 month celebration for me 😆

[glass monolith]

It was amazing. Especially people trying to do boss who does 3000 physical in phase 1 with low rarity. Me just sitting here as people trying to do Cardigan without HP pot (They didn't math)

[thick sphinx]

Lmao.
Low rarity? No pot cardigan, dude they r super crazy af.
We got a bunch of babel doctors running around 😢

[glass monolith]

More like just woke up amnesiac doctor because somehow failing 3000 < HP + DEF math to check if she even survives

[thick sphinx]

Lmfao 😆

[thick sphinx]

Is Theresa good?

I heard she can solo patriot and shit

[narrow pendant]

No

[thick sphinx]

But idk which chapter i unlock her so yea

[glass monolith]

Didn't try, s2 is funny on single target

[narrow pendant]

Solo patriot is

Like

[glass monolith]

Chapter 14

[narrow pendant]

[glass monolith]

S3 is funny in Surtr hospital

[thick sphinx]

Lmao

[thick sphinx]

😢

Shit, why did I delete it.

[glass monolith]

E2 1 and E2 80 is different tickets and why would you max level Proviso

[thick sphinx]

Idk, she's good for base rt?

[glass monolith]

I think it is different idk I think I still didn't redeem them

[thick sphinx]

We have to wait 5 more hrs from now to see

[glass monolith]

Promotion to e2, sure, max level ticket but why

[thick sphinx]

So max Level ticket not needed?

So I can save it for when I get bored and want to do the stages that r locked with amiya or smtg?

[glass monolith]

Chaptee 8/14 ends locked behind e2 amiya and you don't really care to rush them most likely

[thick sphinx]

Hm yes good point, not like I'm reaching ch 14 anytime soon

Super and guard cost 3x on the first adverse mode on 10-2 😭

[glass monolith]

"Why my Kroos cost 30 now"

[thick sphinx]

😢

Wis cost 69

It's painful

but sa2 gonna switch her cost with LAMCET soon he he he

And Ill hv 300 pulls by then

[foggy grove]

why my kroos cost 27 now
#strategy message

[vocal leaf]

she’s good, but if you’re after meta then is no, it’s true she can solo patriot, but a lot of operators do that as well so

it’s free a bard tho, 30 seconds atk buff for dps longer skill duration, unlike heidi that is for nuke

[glass monolith]

(Me with S2M3 Sora)

[sly drift]

Heidi has much more important use.
To troll ally during coop.

[vocal crescent]

why not use Aak then

[pearl compass]

Aak is more annoying

[vocal crescent]

Indeed. And he actually has use case. Imagine i have to nuke Wis because i need to deploy a god damn healer for my dps and her summon blocked the only ranged tile

[lapis hornet]

hey guys

is chaltalter opie

[narrow pendant]

Looks strong, thats about it

Give 2 more weeks

[vocal leaf]

it’s chen and it’s an arts guard, my bet is that she’s going to flop

[glass monolith]

Patriot is dead!

[main halo]

I'm surprised this place isn't locked down as well

[narrow pendant]

Im sad its not

[regal frost]

enough off topic and it probably will be

[main halo]

Shall we?

I'm kinda miss the older players here

[glass monolith]

Old mods used to lock down this chat for "nothing to strategize without game". New ones probably put it on mute and left

[viscid mist]

This channel is not active enough to lockdown anyway

[narrow pendant]

Do it anywau sator

[main halo]

For old time's sake

[lapis hornet]

yeah it's become less active after it became optional

most ppl probs don't even see it

[main halo]

That and Wisadel just carries the game

Less incentive to ask for help

[hidden axle]

Real

[next wigeon]

Or just use #help when being directed to here multiple times

[next wigeon]

Not quite

We still have people who actually fail with Wis'adel

[glass monolith]

#strategy message

[main halo]

[next wigeon]

Why and How, I have no idea

[maiden hound]

whats the strat to access and type in help

[pearl compass]

They used Wis on Ep8 Mortar drone

[glass monolith]

I started the game with Chalter (back when it was OP) and had few moment of facing in wrong direction

[main halo]

I used to be one to the regulars here

Like 70% of my messages on this server?

Here

[hidden axle]

Atleast you had chalter when you started

[teal moon]

siege start 🥹

[main halo]

I started with Exu

[glass monolith]

Beginner banner was siege

[main halo]

Got her to pot 5 too

[hidden axle]

Og hoshi

[main halo]

I M6'ed her

S2 and S3

[hidden axle]

[main halo]

That was a long time ago

[glass monolith]

Demn boi

[main halo]

[sterile willow]

chen and wang on the same banner?

[main halo]

Tbf both skills are nice in their way

[hidden axle]

Indeed

[main halo]

S2 for AFK stalling

And S3 for waveclear

[pure orchid]

help i cant log out

[hidden axle]

Wdym

[narrow pendant]

Pull the plug

[hidden axle]

Nuke your device

[next wigeon]

What is?

[sterile willow]

bro wang can also hit air units, holy wangsadel

[narrow pendant]

Light work

[main halo]

Hoshi S2 and S3

[narrow pendant]

[main halo]

Her S2 can be used to stall bosses

[pure orchid]

thanks it wor-

[main halo]

S3 easy waveclear

[next wigeon]

Hoshi S3 is practically dead after the 2nd year tbh since it doesn't deal enough dmg

[main halo]

True

That's why I said it was a long time ago

[next wigeon]

S2 is still good but like pure bricks don't have much use in this era 🥀

[next wigeon]

Ancient Meta

[main halo]

I still enjoy AH slop from time to time

[hidden axle]

Behold my m9 Horn for usage in mesozoic era

[next wigeon]

Wasn't that for IS3 reasons?

[hidden axle]

No she was a rare m9 candidate on release, although you could also leqve her at m6 because s1 was more niche

She could have had IS usage tho idr

[main halo]

It's rather funny how Specter fully doped up by AH team, is basically brick defender with way better damage

[next wigeon]

Ulpianus*

[main halo]

I think wanna get Ulpipi as well

[hidden axle]

Oh wait you mentioned IS3
I quit around that time so yeah idk

[main halo]

He's defo a pull OP

[main halo]

I tested out bro a few time while borrowing him

Chip damage will only heal him

About 240ish while S2 is active I think?

[hidden axle]

Imagine we get a mini aak who gives tiny buffs in exchange for dealinv tiny dmg to your operator

[vital vessel]

my m9 horn was for is4 🥀

dmg on otherwise dead ticket

[main halo]

I just checked out Exu alter, same class as Aak

Maybe she wouldn't be as detrimental to use as Aak?

Idk

[hidden axle]

I meant mini aak for ulpi gives tiny buffs while ulpi gains hp cuz the dmg is tiny

[main halo]

Aight

[next wigeon]

She gives Barrier on S2 or Revives them on S3

[main halo]

Woah

[next wigeon]

S2 is preferable

The Revive thing is more niche

[main halo]

Now I'm intrigued

[hidden axle]

She revives with the same initial sp
So you can basically use an operator twice in a row

[next wigeon]

Most of the time because some skills have no intial sp 🤫

[wicked minnow]

literally one of the best units in the game

[hidden axle]

well yeah

def not planning to spark her if we don't get good banners ppst cny

[wicked minnow]

hopefully

cny itself is a good banner

so uhhh

ye

[next wigeon]

https://youtu.be/Jljb-bW958s

Here's a showcase

[wicked minnow]

this showcase is slanderous ong

[glass monolith]

This dog shit S2 hard carry LS-4 hell whatever mode and I can't kill first dogs and 3 drones

[thick sphinx]

Hmm

[sonic willow]

Dam help got cooked

[hidden axle]

We are helping in #arknights how cooked are we

[sonic willow]

Fried

[ancient spruce]

Absolutely burnt

[west saffron]

Have someone tested hoshi alter s3 from the perspective of immortality for allies? Does this skill literally says Hoshi herself and all allies within her attack range are immortal for 11 sec?

[prisma elk]

Have I found the safehaven? Are there no "why is game closed" Doktahs here?

[elder flume]

11 seconds yes altho a few escapes this rule

[prisma elk]

I use her, yes, they are in fact all immortal within that 11 secs where you retrigger Hoshi alt s3, but I'm sure there's some exceptions, I haven't tested who tho

[cloud hemlock]

Ik the plants in is6 just instakill hoshi during the s3 skill trigger :[

[elder flume]

thats
force retreat

[prisma elk]

Got flashed in #arknights with impatient doktahs who can't check pins for whatever reason

So Aak and Hoshi2, is it viable?

[elder flume]

for what

[prisma elk]

Nothing really, just, is it worth buffing ranged ops w Aak now we have Hoshi s3 to keep them alive?

[smoky halo]

monsta s2 is a better hoshi buffer

[smoky halo]

oh u mean that

[prisma elk]

Im truly am bored, just kinda throwing spaghetti at the wall till something fun comes up

[smoky halo]

3 slots for +50% atk +50aspd is not it bro

[elder flume]

you still have to remove Hoshi2 to buff a glass op

[smoky halo]

monsta s2 is like +20% atk +61aspd

oh wait its more atk now with mod

[elder flume]

altho Exu2 S3 into Hoshi2 is deranged to make Aak work

[west saffron]

Wait does monster s2 gives attack?

[prisma elk]

I already use exu2 Hoshi s3 combo it's very fun, really fun

[elder flume]

talent

[prisma elk]

Can I technically talk about Wang now?

[pearl compass]

The crystal

[pearl compass]

Yes

Why not lol

[prisma elk]

Like what are y'all first thoughts about it

[pearl compass]

Broken

[prisma elk]

I've seen the numbers and they look really good

[pearl compass]

As always

[hidden axle]

I saw some sl7 showcases and well
They are at sl7

[pearl compass]

He deals about same damage as Wisadel against H7-4 Patrick.

[prisma elk]

I've also heard he has built in res ignore so that's another layer of future proofing

[hidden axle]

How much is his res ignore again

[pearl compass]

Wow, Wisadel but better.

[prisma elk]

So it's manual nuke wisadel that's art damage?

[pearl compass]

[pearl compass]

Idk lol

Maybe

At least there's no Revenants

So his hitbox on AoE won't be thicc as fuck.

[elder flume]

thats with Stainless S1 no

[prisma elk]

Does it add that he's a sui? Shu sui buff adds more to the brokeness if you're already using it

[pearl compass]

[merry talon]

Ifrit is res shred right? Other ops benefit againt enemies in her range?

[pearl compass]

Mmm, whoever enemies are inside her range is correct.

[prisma elk]

Technically that's like, Shu domain expansion: grass all over again, Yu get yu ass over here, and uh, idk, Chongus lane perma lane hold afk idk, with Wang s3 nukes

[prisma elk]

Honestly I have no idea about Nians kit to consider her as the 4th sui, and Dusk is, dusk, and it's not like Ling is getting into a standard squad

[elder flume]

you use Nian to buff Yu Shu

sometimes for helidrop if you grab shield mod

[prisma elk]

Ahh, I see, so Nian, Yu, Shu triple defense and Wang nuke kinda thing

Can I ask tho, can I ask about leaks in the past like years ago?

[unkempt lintel]

no way nian is a buffer now???

[pearl compass]

Nian is waifu

https://tenor.com/view/nian-arknights-gif-2315848021316484643

=p

[unkempt lintel]

also wait does wang implied to be a burst unit?

[prisma elk]

I swear I remember Haruka being leaked years ago as a sui banner abjurer, like a fake one or smth but it's a weird memory that I have

[unkempt lintel]

backreading i see that he have high numbers or something

[elder flume]

he can nuke
slow
solo
source mines

[prisma elk]

It's really high with res ignore in a big area too, and he spams taht shit and it's an ammo based skill 3, so ammo replenish n ammo trigger niche is a thing

[unkempt lintel]

so a multi utility unit that can actually dmg this time

[prisma elk]

Pretty much, in a big area too

[elder flume]

a lot of applications

[limpid ore]

the skill still will ends if you run out of trap before the ammo

[unkempt lintel]

what in the world....

[prisma elk]

S2 irrc is like, 7 tiles wide, horizontal and vertical, so that's like 3 tiles from the center tile in 4 directions

Then s3 is like Degen s3 range type of big

[glass monolith]

What can be better that Dorothy S3? correct Diagonal Dorothy S3

[pearl compass]

That "Doro VS Boss stepped on Lego" vid showcase

[prisma elk]

It can also hit air btw, and the traps can be placed on ranged tiles, and it can spawn on non deployable tiles too with his talent iirc

[unkempt lintel]

i never expect to see dorothy powercreep in this age

🥹

[pearl compass]

Wisadel, but for Dorothy

[glass monolith]

Specialist age has come again!

[unkempt lintel]

oh yeh trapmasters are specialist class

they be eating good as always

[prisma elk]

Wisadel but Dorothy and it's art damage and it's part of a really good faction w sp battery and a skill that can benefit from ammo based buffs from other ops

[pearl compass]

🥹

Absolute cinema

[prisma elk]

And also Ch3n is the other 6 star, that's um

Very unique

[pearl compass]

Second alter

Yes

Very unique

[prisma elk]

Cuz her s3 is literally the stage gimmick of Yu event

[prisma elk]

This too lmao

[pearl compass]

Next will be Skadi Alter Alter, trust

They cannot skip this

[unkempt lintel]

yeh as a mostima alter believer i shall just keep praying

cant believe chen got a second alter

[latent halo]

can wang pop patriot with risk

[pearl compass]

Shining Alter when

[vocal crescent]

i think the next one would be W

[elder flume]

idk try it

havent seen Wang in HCM vid yet

[vocal crescent]

if, that they are serious with alter of alter

[pearl compass]

[prisma elk]

Highly expect it soon tbh, since all the year 1s be getting their alters since year 6

[vocal crescent]

she is still the first ever alter of a limited

[pearl compass]

Yep

[vocal crescent]

the only one too

if we dont count how abnormal Chen3 is

i dont even know if that's Chen2.5

[prisma elk]

Ch3n s2 is really interesting if it interacts w IS relics, and s3 with nasti ranged tile is like reclamation algorithm set up, out side RA

[vocal crescent]

unless you are Loopshooters, i dont see much operators would refuse to have a fun interact with cheats

[prisma elk]

She's also adaptive damage, not mixed, adaptive, if I read it right she adapts her damage to the lower stat of the enemy

It's talent 2 I believe

[vocal crescent]

1

2 is the survivability one

[prisma elk]

I see I see

[vocal crescent]

i like how HG casually make Chen3 to experiment adaptive dmg

[prisma elk]

CN banners definitely a 200 pull save for me, hopefully I get both banner 6 stars and manage to spark Nian too

[vocal crescent]

imagine if that is the future meta

my Sakiko can just rest now

[vocal crescent]

oh yeah, dunno if my speculation is true, but Wang is pretty normal even with a cracked S3, but pair him with 3 Sui (you know, that talent 2 of Shu), he is a beast

[wicked minnow]

bro shu talent isnt gonna be what's making him broken

[prisma elk]

I mean, not this year yet atleast, it's definitely year 8 possible but rn, they still on the, what if we make the game into a sandbox by freezing the blue box, making ranged tiles, and uh, breaking the UI by switching costs around, etc

[wicked minnow]

mfw 160k total damage 39 res ignore

also his off-skill isnt bad

[prisma elk]

But Shu talent would make that off skill shorter so he'll be on skill again, and we might get more sui related buffs

[wicked minnow]

🥹

when a 4th good sui sibling drops you can bring it up ig

[vocal crescent]

if we move back just a bit until right before Wisadel and tell people then that Arknights would be like this going into Year 7, someone would put me into hospital

[remote perch]

Damn
I was hoping he flops

[vocal crescent]

crazy how gacha changed

[prisma elk]

Shu and Yu holding enemies into one general area for them to be nuked by Wang is already broken, I hope the next sui is a buffer to them for year 8 lol

[vocal crescent]

but the thing is his mine took a bit too long to regenerate. The effects are massacre but on a long fight that could hinder him.

[foggy grove]

suibling finally has real dps?

[vocal crescent]

and the setup too.

[foggy grove]

[vocal crescent]

Chongyue should be But HG overcook him.

[foggy grove]

he is raw

[prisma elk]

We we're on the verge of praying not to get a post of end of service after the damage numbers got so high after they released so many nukes in a row starting from Texas alter and ending it with a literal bang with wisadel n logos

[vocal crescent]

nah, if he's raw then wtf is Dusk

[foggy grove]

illusion

[main halo]

In a bad sense?

[vocal crescent]

[foggy grove]

like in burnt sense

[vocal crescent]

yeah. He is actually still not bad, but his S3 mechanics + overall kit made his dmg very... dumb.

[foggy grove]

charcoal

[prisma elk]

Chong kinda gets screwed over by his class due to damage calculations

And the set up was pretty gruelling too

[nocturne cove]

lmI

lmao

help on lockdown

[vocal crescent]

HG overthought when making him.
Instead of a fast, short skill cycle DPS, Haimao made him with TOO MUCH STEPS to finish his stuff.
Kinda like how some Chinese martials arts moves are.

[prisma elk]

It was better to do so before it exploded with EN doktahs who can't read lmao

[prisma elk]

You first have to like, trigger his skill, tahts an offensive skill btw, multiple times, and to trigger it faster you had to time it to last hit n kill your target, so yea it got really weird

[vocal crescent]

but then they fixed the only good thing of that skill.

[prisma elk]

I would know cuz I use him with Stainless cuz I like stainless s3 but yea

[vocal crescent]

BRING BACK THE SPAM

[main halo]

And the payoff?

[prisma elk]

An afk skill that has a cross range like Dorothy mines

[nocturne cove]

@narrow pendant @pure orchid @vital vessel @next wigeon pulling for saki?

[narrow pendant]

Well, yeah ig

[nocturne cove]

you must be rich

[vocal crescent]

1h20mins left

[prisma elk]

It's like 2 tiles in all 4 directions from his tile, and the dmg is, it's meh not really game breaking

[narrow pendant]

Im not

[nocturne cove]

eh

[narrow pendant]

Habe like, idk
60 pulls

[nocturne cove]

oh

[main halo]

Perfectly balanced then

The first balanced limited?

[narrow pendant]

I havent really played the gane since endfield came out
Missed ex and S stages if ato, ccb4, while annihilation of last week

[vocal crescent]

even back in 2023 it was not.

[narrow pendant]

[vocal crescent]

[nocturne cove]

wow, gl

[prisma elk]

Damn he was that long ago???, I feel old now lmao

[nocturne cove]

i hope i get her in free pulls

cuz i wont be using any

[vocal crescent]

20 Nian, 21 Dusk, 22 Ling, 23 CY, 24 Shu, 25 Yu, 26 Wang

[main halo]

I'm gonna assume Chongus deals like 1.5k-2k when fully ramped

[prisma elk]

Yea he was kinda meh back then, and Lin was also kinda meh cuz not a lot of people wanted to go the extra mile to build n use her

[vocal crescent]

but a bit after that they realized having a tank on ranged tile was not totally bad

[prisma elk]

She's good but not really somethibg I would use daily for fun

[next wigeon]

Yes, I have 400 or so pulls

[vocal crescent]

CCB2 proved it further.

[main halo]

Idk the exact numbers for Chungus

[prisma elk]

True

[prisma elk]

It's not that high cuz defense calcs also kinda screw him over, he is a brawler so

[glass monolith]

Lin is amazing against bunch of enemies, when her shield can deny ranged stuff etc. Which usually means it is not that big of issue for others

[vocal crescent]

a bit over 5000 per hit, mod Y3.

[next wigeon]

Chongyue had really good dmg tbh

[vocal crescent]

given no def or res. Average is about 2k2

[main halo]

Well

He can only deal chip damage when DEF is way too high

[prisma elk]

Chong s3 does become and afk skill after you manage to set up soooo, it's not the worst ofc, it's not that bad

[vocal crescent]

if i put any of the new gen DPS in here, Chongyue line would be like

[main halo]

Tbf that applies to every phys OPs

[next wigeon]

I mean most things do chip dmg when Def is too high

[vocal crescent]

when we get pass the 1k DEF stuff is not so nice.

[main halo]

That's what I said

[pure orchid]

yea but i only have 30 pulls saved rn

gonna have to luck out again

[prisma elk]

20 pulls and a dream

[next wigeon]

Wis'adel for example gets cucked by High Def because her dmg isn't done in one hit but in 2 - 3 hits at a time per shot

[main halo]

One way to fix would be to allow a portion of his damage to deal Arts

[maiden hound]

200 pull reserve

[prisma elk]

Cuz I ain't spending more cuz CN banner is a must pull for a sui collector like me

[next wigeon]

Mixed Dmg is not that good

Usually

[prisma elk]

Nah, defense reduction would be a better fit imo

[next wigeon]

I mean look at what happened to Vigil

[vocal crescent]

she doesnt have any shred, that's explainable.

[pearl compass]

He had many other problems, to begin with.

[next wigeon]

Many stuff doesn't have Def Ignore ya

[vocal crescent]

every single T0 operators in this game as DPS, either have a lot of shred and/or unique utility.

[next wigeon]

We don't talk about that 🤫

[prisma elk]

Only good example I can think of is Yato2, cuz now Ch3n is rocking adaptive damage, not really mixed

[vocal crescent]

you know, the upcoming 6* in Ave Mujica also has mixed dmg.

[narrow pendant]

"T0"

[next wigeon]

Tbf S2 is mostly Arts Dmg and S3 is mostly Phys Dmg

[next wigeon]

I do know

[vocal crescent]

top of the meta is too long okay

[next wigeon]

Her solution to that problem is shoot a fuck ton

Have you seen her fire rate?

[vocal crescent]

you forgot the shred

60% DEF and 30 RES total.

[next wigeon]

Well that too

[main halo]

Phew

That's something

[narrow pendant]

Impossible to habe alone in normal circustances btw

[vocal crescent]

60% btw. almost equal to Typhon mod

[next wigeon]

But she shoots really fast and notes stay for 1 - 1.5 secs

[glass monolith]

You know what chapter 16 boss does? I don't because CN used Sakiko

[next wigeon]

After leaving range

[nocturne cove]

seems like you have been lucky these past few banners?

[main halo]

This skill deals like both damage of the same time, no?

[narrow pendant]

Need bunch of aspd to make thag possible

[next wigeon]

I only remember the Cocaine bear

[prisma elk]

Is it affected by atk spd?

[glass monolith]

Exactly

[vocal crescent]

read the bottom line

[main halo]

Damn

[next wigeon]

Fredi what's the initial consensus on Ch'en3

Also Wang

[narrow pendant]

Wang is dorothy if dorothy was 2026
Chen3 is good

[prisma elk]

Wisadel but better imo, ch3n tho still not sure

[next wigeon]

Another thing to add to the list

[main halo]

Chen S2 does sound like it deals decent damage, I mean 500% of each type of damage?

Not at the same time but still

[next wigeon]

I'm slightly worried because its close to the MonHun Collab

[prisma elk]

Ch3n or Chen?

[main halo]

Guard Chen

[next wigeon]

Which one

[prisma elk]

They're both guards...

[main halo]

Base

Sorry

[next wigeon]

We have 2 Guard Chen

[narrow pendant]

Sure if u want tk see it that way
Just about 4.7k per hit of both, easily reduced by bith res and def

[main halo]

Hadn't updated much

[next wigeon]

Basic Ch'en is washed

[narrow pendant]

Base chen is garbage so

Dont bother at all

[vocal crescent]

damn, Wang event is so easy lol

3 operators = the whole part 1

[next wigeon]

Also thoughts on the Irene IS Module since we are on the topic of Swordmaster

[vocal crescent]

[prisma elk]

I haven't seen the application yet, but it's levitate stuff iirc

[narrow pendant]

Havent looked into it
Desc sounds interesting, but unless its very strong, sounds like a worse guard draft

[next wigeon]

-60% redeploy iirc

[narrow pendant]

🥱

[next wigeon]

Guard is too competitive smh

[main halo]

Ah Irene my favorite DEF killer

[next wigeon]

She's washed too btw

[nocturne cove]

more like who plays guards

gvg

[next wigeon]

Powercrept by Degen

[nocturne cove]

only a small fraction

[narrow pendant]

And degen is washed too

[next wigeon]

Degen was also powercrept by Lemuen

[narrow pendant]

Best swordmaster gets crept by sniper
Now by arts guard too

[main halo]

It's funny how Guard has to most number of OPs in the game

Hence the intense competition

No?

[vocal crescent]

the moment Chen appeared and competed with SA, GRD stay like that until now.
What caught me off guard is why that thing happened twice in 6 years.

[narrow pendant]

Guardknights for a reason

[main halo]

[vocal crescent]

you remember all of GRD subclasses?

[main halo]

Only the ones that I tend to use

Dreadnaught, Lords, Swordmaster, Arts and Fighter

[vocal crescent]

14 total btw.

[main halo]

Sheesh

[glass monolith]

Now name OG translation of Solo blades

[main halo]

Guards really dominate the game

Musha

Utage was my first helidrop

[next wigeon]

Crusher, Arts Guard, Swordmaster, Liberator, Brawler, Lord, Dreadnought, Centurion, Earthcrusher, Instructor, Mercenary and Primal Guard

[main halo]

[nocturne cove]

i disagree

[vocal crescent]

2 more

[glass monolith]

(offensively DR stacks Quartz)

[next wigeon]

Oh right Musha

Also Reaper

[vocal crescent]

the two only "cant heal directly"

[next wigeon]

Uhhh that's around 14 Guard Archetypes

[nocturne cove]

i remember juggernaut

[vocal crescent]

exactly 14.

[main halo]

How common for mobs to have both DEF and RES anyway? I'd understand if it's miniboss

[vocal crescent]

sir that's Def

but i understand why the mistake.

[next wigeon]

That's defender

[vocal crescent]

a lot more than you think if having both means both > 0

[pearl compass]

It's Ep14 Shieldbeavers and Yu Event big Pots.

[main halo]

[vocal crescent]

[nocturne cove]

guards are ass anyways how can you be the biggest class with most subclass and still only have 1-2 OP in meta

1

tbh

[vocal crescent]

Ulpianus, Sakiko, Degen, Mlynar

that's me turn down the pure AFK names.

[nocturne cove]

ulpianus is general content slop
degen fell off
only mlynar

[next wigeon]

Ulpianus, Mlynar, Leizi2, Sakiko for Guard

[main halo]

Wouldn't look good to play Ulpianus without the AH team

[next wigeon]

Ulpianus has S3

[vocal crescent]

Leizi2 is only god in IS6.

[glass monolith]

Just assume almost everything has 50 RES just cuz. Unless chapter 14/15 because F u, 3k def 90 res

[next wigeon]

S2 isn't his best skill

[nocturne cove]

he only good in is5

[main halo]

Phew

Damn

[nocturne cove]

specialist gotta be the best class

[next wigeon]

People just gravitate to Ulpianus S2 because its Afk

Yknow people with their button allergy

[main halo]

10k HP, 5k ATK my beloved

[next wigeon]

False

[glass monolith]

DR stacking my beloved

[nocturne cove]

lol

[vocal crescent]

you wanna see a magic?

[nocturne cove]

where else are you using him

[next wigeon]

S3 is applicable in many situations

[nocturne cove]

i said he is a general content farmer

[glass monolith]

I killed evething with Haze, surprise me

[next wigeon]

I used S3 for the Entirety of Tragodia event

[nocturne cove]

that is general content

[vocal crescent]

good, then shred 14 mil HP relicless

[nocturne cove]

well let me try to name 12 meta ops

[next wigeon]

Leizi2 is equal to Mlynar in most situations

[nocturne cove]

wisadel
exu2
logos
mlynar
ines
ela
shu

who else

🤔

[main halo]

Can Hoshi2 be considered meta?

[nocturne cove]

trag

[vocal crescent]

but this boss is less asshole than Quilon + Amiya L3 Egg

[next wigeon]

Haruka, Sakiko, Tragodia, Leizi2, Lemuen, Hoshi2, Ray

[vocal crescent]

surprised

[nocturne cove]

ray

hmm

[next wigeon]

We also have Mont3r

[nocturne cove]

yes

how is sakiko up there

with mlynar and leizi

[next wigeon]

She might not be at the top of Meta but she's somewhere near the bottom of it

[main halo]

So Myrtle can be replaced by Matsu in CC now, no?

Sick of her weak ass getting no-diff by a dog

[next wigeon]

Use Ines

[nocturne cove]

i will raise saileach, she looks very pretty

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1273778682892390541.gif?v=1&size=48&quality=lossless

[main halo]

If only sunflower vanguards have anymore purpose outside of printing

That's not some bad utilities

[vital vessel]

yea i got like 150ish pulls for hoshi2 and harukaz they both come in 60 so i got 200 pulls rn

[main halo]

But then again

Sunflowers are only for printing

[next wigeon]

Ines has a ton of Utility

[nocturne cove]

ya

slow bind invis reveal

[next wigeon]

Ines

• Bind
• Dps
• Slow
• Atk Steal
• Atk spd steal
• leaves a marker that slows and invis reveal after undeployed
• Invis Reveal
• Invisible
• Dp Gen
• Pseudo Fast Redeploy

[nocturne cove]

steal

[main halo]

Is she the strongest vg by far?

That's a lot

[next wigeon]

Yes

[ancient spruce]

uh yes

She best vanguard

[next wigeon]

She hasn't been overthrown by a few years now

[cinder pike]

she reveals enemies while ded lol

[nocturne cove]

sa alter is her competition

[next wigeon]

Ehhhh 🤏

[cinder pike]

I don't want to think of a operator which power creeps ines

[nocturne cove]

though we yet have to see what he can do

[next wigeon]

We do know

[nocturne cove]

waiting for cc

so i can say for sure

[next wigeon]

[nocturne cove]

dp down risk

[next wigeon]

Tbh Utility is hard to powercreep

[nocturne cove]

he also has a good amount of util

iirc

[halcyon adder]

Thinking about suggesting mods to lock dowb strat too during maintenajxe

[next wigeon]

Ines Utility is more useful

[nocturne cove]

i havent looked at his kit in a while

but he has uh

invis reveal