strategy

[elder flume]

last few stages is now Haruka borrow

later Pram2 borrow

[dark violet]

now do 7-18 matrix

anyway, I finally got around to try the 4th one and huh, turns out it's the easiest one

no major debuffs, no resource scarcity, no RES trolling

Welcome to the rice fields

https://youtu.be/U7plRhFb5pY It didn't fail being a matrix though, I ended up using some weird tactics again, including eben

[signal lichen]

for the first time ever i used vulpisfogila in a semi high risk clear for my 7-18 20 risk clear

but shes kinda getting kicked for 25

[haughty flower]

If it's 25 methinks you need to go through CCB4 route and do strategic flag spam

[signal lichen]

yeah like this opening here for example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiVEc_gk-_I

they block with ulp strat

but to open you do sail then redploy sail again with exu

which is just wild

but makes sense you need it

[haughty flower]

Bringing Texas is a bit lol imo

Think Ines would still be better even with all the risks.

[signal lichen]

i need to borrow someone with m3 eterna though

and the mod

well idk the exact bnechmarks but its gonna be kek

[haughty flower]

S3M3 Eterna, mod3? If no need for lv90, I got that.

[dark violet]

gotta love free 15% dmg reduction

[signal lichen]

you do that would be great Bahamut#0121

yeah they only show level 60 here so surely

[haughty flower]

Ah mine's 187% trust but hopefully that's enough. Sent and slotted.

[signal lichen]

i might be able to slot in skadi or something actually over texas with my pots but its hard to know

gonna have to test and play

[sonic willow]

how often does this HCM rotate

[signal lichen]

it doesn't as far as i know

its just prermnant

as for when the next hcm is no idea

lmao i can't even get to the part where i need eterna

[sonic willow]

oh

[signal lichen]

i think its a problem with exu

shes not killing the one enemy before it hits saileach and murders her

imagine having better pots or level 90 though

poor man

[haughty flower]

@zinc ridge You don't need 10 guards, hell you don't even need a full squad. Example clear squad from Kyo's low-end.

[zinc ridge]

why is mlynar here specificly

what is he supposed to do

alot of defenders

wait a second

of course

block count

[pearl compass]

Ofc he's the only reliable DPS in that moment possible.

Medic already told ya it's old ass Kyo guide.

[zinc ridge]

I must be underrating his usage while using my hoshi wisadel and tragodia

[pearl compass]

You just have more options now.

[haughty flower]

Read the mechanics for goodness sake, man.

[zinc ridge]

what about the dang mechanics

the boss just went straight for the blue box

while I was defending my other side

[pearl compass]

Idk, cross attack maybe?

Devour on Phase 2?

[craggy heron]

the fact that they have invincibility at 50% health first time

[haughty flower]

You group them up on the left side.

[pearl compass]

You should know everything of that to avoid OOPS moments.

[haughty flower]

This is why Cuora is a lynchpin here-her def keeps her alive even after corrosion bursts.

[zinc ridge]

what is going on in there?

what about the civilians

who is blocking them

[haughty flower]

This is post-stall. The damazti are being stalled on the left side as Kyo sets up for phase 2.

[zinc ridge]

you want me to stall the boss huh

[haughty flower]

Gummy and popu are handling the left.

[zinc ridge]

ima send off myrtle

[pearl compass]

Yes.

[haughty flower]

You have so much dps dawg, you can easily skip the stall if you want.

[zinc ridge]

I cant

theres gonna be too many

civilians

[pearl compass]

If they're good, you're fine to leak them

[zinc ridge]

how im supposed to know which is good or bad

[pearl compass]

You remember them

[haughty flower]

Their order is fixed. You can memorize it.

[zinc ridge]

I

listen

that's gonna be hella annoying to do

[pearl compass]

Like adapt or suffer
There's nothing in between.

[haughty flower]

WHY ARE YOU PLAYING A STRATEGY GAME IF STRATEGY BORES YOU

[zinc ridge]

it's just this mechanic

I doubt many people liked chapter 12 from what i've seen

anyways

[haughty flower]

You'll be engaging with it on the H stages too. Just bother to learn it now.

[zinc ridge]

I know how it works

I block them to inspect them

they take block count

so enemies just pass thru

and I die

[sacred edge]

I was having trouble with 7-16

[haughty flower]

Do we realize that inspecting doesn't need blocking.

[sacred edge]

Cheesed it

[haughty flower]

Wis'adel in particular has such a fat range she can often half-scan most enemies by the time they hit their blocker.

[sacred edge]

Will I be assfucked in 7-18?

Patriot fight

[zinc ridge]

high dps can clear him

[haughty flower]

If you borrow ops for 7-18 you're fine.

[sacred edge]

Lemon ?

[zinc ridge]

I dont have lemon or exualt

but I got wisadel on the banner

[pearl compass]

It's one of the option

[zinc ridge]

so I assume it will do

[pearl compass]

Even Wis works.

[sacred edge]

I think I just couldn't figure out the mortars

[zinc ridge]

the mortars

[sacred edge]

I have good enough ops

[zinc ridge]

they attack based on your deployment order

that's how aggro works

[sacred edge]

Oh

I see

[zinc ridge]

what? you didn't know that

[sacred edge]

I didn't lol

[zinc ridge]

I see

also operators like mlynar can ignore the order cuz they have natural aggro

[sacred edge]

I just got frustrated after a few tries and then just saw akrec

[zinc ridge]

so they attract ranged attacks

anyways

[sacred edge]

And borrowed that ling

[sacred edge]

Ok i see

[zinc ridge]

ling summons

you deploy them last

[sacred edge]

I just had to consider the order

[zinc ridge]

so they draw aggro

correct?

[sacred edge]

Ig?

[zinc ridge]

yeah

[sacred edge]

I just followed what the billibilli person did to solo with ling lol

[zinc ridge]

that's usually why you prefer placing ranged/medics first

and tankier units last

so they draw ranged attacks towards themself

and not the fragile ranged operators

[sacred edge]

It was targetting my blaze

Instead of the defender i placed far away

Hoshi alt

[zinc ridge]

oh mortars dont have infinity range they just have big range

if that's what you meant

[sacred edge]

No I thought I just need to bait them to hit my op in extreme right

And in left i need to put damage dealing ops to clear

[zinc ridge]

just put hoshi right on them

[sacred edge]

But my blaze was just getting killed lol

[zinc ridge]

she can tank it just fine

[sacred edge]

No no

Mortars were beating up blaze on the left

[zinc ridge]

oh huh

yeah cuz like

she was deployed last

I assume

[sacred edge]

I forgot

But I guess

The last person deployed is the one who gets targetted ?

[zinc ridge]

yeah that's how it works

[sacred edge]

So i just need to sort out my left part of the map before mortars show up

[zinc ridge]

unless it's very far away

[sacred edge]

I understand it now

[zinc ridge]

yeah something like that

you will be struggling with mortar of higher caliber later down the line

[sacred edge]

Thanks.

[sacred edge]

I see

[haughty flower]

Depending on the stage, blocking and/or just prioritizing killing mortars early can also eliminate the threat. Example would be 7-18. Mortars will spawn on the right and you can immediately block, then kill them to keep everyone else out of the line of fire.

[zinc ridge]

stuff gets real in chapter 8

[haughty flower]

Anyways on the topic of ch12 I really hope you know what phase 2 does.

[zinc ridge]

why does that matter

spawn 10 of these fellas im fine

it's just that

they jumped my blindspot

tf I was supposed to do about that

🤔

[haughty flower]

Even if those boxes didn't break to Damazti, I believe the trilby ashers tp through them.

[zinc ridge]

huh

maybe replacing mountain and lappland with chen alter and necrass was a bad idea

[haughty flower]

Also, not to mention in phase 2 there's a few different mechanics that will assfuck you if you didn't bother to read.

[zinc ridge]

nah im gonna be fine

[zinc ridge]

also it is bad that im doing all these stages on max difficulty

[haughty flower]

There's no reason not to do it in adverse.

[zinc ridge]

I mean is there reason to do them on 0 sanity mode?

[haughty flower]

Story.

[signal lichen]

I gave up on the blocking strat. I think it's "easier" to just full nuke start and yu teleport but I still am struggling with the opening I almost have it working but I didn't get enough dps on shield guards and they leaked so close to getting the p1 stall working and once that works the rest should be way more simple

[jovial nest]

Oh I'm missing this....

I need to check other clears before I invest.

tch, it's either this or something else entirely...

[astral cosmos]

do you need one or are you already borrowing

(i don't have the context )

[jovial nest]

no no i'll try again

i was mistaken to think Eyja's talent worked before deployment

and yeah this is LS-4 r25

i'm redoing the stage again

timing might just be off

timing is strict in these max risks

[astral cosmos]

oh well, lmk if you do anyways gl

[jovial nest]

there's no changes in my Geexu and Eblana and yet the changes is pretty big. This is a phase with Eyja still not deployed.
So I can onl imagine that the timing is really that strict

[jovial nest]

Ok yeah so I didn't need any further modules. And Eyja was just considered as a backup extra DPS near the end in case any of the cores died.

[signal lichen]

Impressive

How did you open though

[cunning torrent]

SO I can't full clear S5-3

What strat do you guys use here?

[signal lichen]

I vaguely remember after looking at that one

Casters in the middle gravel for bait kroos for drones and handle one side

It need 2 baits yato and gravel should be enough

[jovial nest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8uGMlAbc1A

it's so hilarious that Ela retreat is used as THE frag mine

up and including Geexu S3 reviving her for the same frag mine retreat

and yeah the strat wants to kill as many slugs as possible to get a comfortable amt of DP for the latter half

[signal lichen]

I can probably do this by subbing out Raiden but means I need other block

[jovial nest]

Raidian's S1

acts as a really effective 3-blocker on 2 lanes

good luck with finding a sub

[signal lichen]

Just throw.more nukes and a vanguard surely

[jovial nest]

absolutely

the squad has enough room

for you to add more

5 extra spaces

[signal lichen]

Actually should be fine

[jovial nest]

I'm gonna try mimicking this next.....but I bring Shu and 3 other Suis to make up for the lack of pots on Trag and Arturia

[signal lichen]

Idk I can grind it out another day I need a breaj

7-18 broke me today lol

I just can't open to save my Life

[jovial nest]

did you just keep experimenting yourself and no other references?

because yeah that'd be quite the long grind

high/max risk tend to be grinded for weeks to perfect the clear

I can't even imagine the mind of that someone who brought Ela and Geexu just so Ela retreats to trigger her S3 without DP cost...3 times

[signal lichen]

I found out exu needs heavy RNG just to open it's very tight even with sail each and Texas and sui it shouldn't be but maybe it's mostly just because RNG

I got past it once and then messed up major second step

I need different/better dps

Can always wait til pram comes out

[signal lichen]

do you have Elysium because that would just be better then myrtle here and if its to tight on open then also bring texas

[jovial nest]

you have a point regarding that

since Ely would discount the 2 snipers

and maybe buff them during the slow af nuking sessions

we'll see

[signal lichen]

mine is max pot i realized so thats a bit oof

[jovial nest]

no thats not an issue

[signal lichen]

but i think its fine with texas

[jovial nest]

my Ely has been perked to hell

I'm just thinking if the opening is delayed

but we'll see

considering I have 4 Suis supplementing more ATK and SP battery

[signal lichen]

time to find out if need max pot exu for this

someones a is 6 hater

[jovial nest]

Umbral, i don't even have a pot6 Geexu

check my clear

i just picked up her pot2 from CCB shop

[signal lichen]

oh yeah i see your borrowing necrass instead

then lets gamble

[jovial nest]

i don't have a Necrass

simple as that

same goes for Lemon

[signal lichen]

probably level difference

or extreme tight timings

[jovial nest]

levels are something i don't skimp on at least

[signal lichen]

wondering if suzu needs mod x or i can also make do with mod y well more testing to be had

[jovial nest]

because i know the minor impacts it can uphold

and it's fucking cheaper than data block use

[signal lichen]

its a hell of a lot less time gated thats for sure

[jovial nest]

i remember mod3ing Suzu's module cause those minor 1% extras

double enough during S3

[signal lichen]

thats mod y

mod x is for sp

[jovial nest]

oh whoops

i forgot that i swapped it to my mod1 X

did it even matter?

[signal lichen]

idk if it does

[jovial nest]

i just brought it because that's what the clear used

and i had it at mod1

[signal lichen]

me realizing i just now have the wrong tag

oops

time to redo the insane opening

i have the wrong drone tag

how did i even

[jovial nest]

usually a difference in tags would've been too drastic during the attempt to copy the strat

need some food before i attempt H5-1 25

borrow Shu and use Burn squad with 4 Suis?

Although that's an R25 strat

[signal lichen]

you may be able to do some of what i did

hoshi open

shu borrow

[noble pewter]

just burst with all ur dps arts units

[signal lichen]

you have monster?

[noble pewter]

no need tank or block, take flame big dmg but no - life, then u make rock fall down to left side, then let everyone go mid, n u dont ban mid tiles, then u use logos kill everyone

[signal lichen]

i kinda like the block strat more but i suppose that can work

hoshi logos shu monster

probably has better sustain

so yeah

i think s3

[noble pewter]

what other units do u have

the enemies move slow n u can give logos good uptime with ptilopsis or sth u can put texas vg to stun at mid too or any other thing like saileach etc

mostima slow, suzu slow, saria slow even whatever u like buy more time

[signal lichen]

i think ambushers are decent here but hard to say

pain

[noble pewter]

what units u have?

dont put anyone in the ball path

[jovial nest]

yeah ball doesn't care if theyre 0 block

it will collide with anything you use

[signal lichen]

yeah i am not great with sstrategies lol apparently

i feel like arts route is better in your case though

but i am having a hard time figuring out whats good to block with

and get that dps out

[noble pewter]

ya bro u got a recipe for mid killing already u have enuf firepower to destroy the enemy 3 times over

ok hold on

do u have texas vg?

[signal lichen]

i was trying to think of stuff but then i realized i just did the funny gladia ulp haruka stall

logos and arts spam with that

hoshi eventually dies without a proper medic

he seriously is

this is stupid how much he just freely tanks this

hoshi can open and kill all the flamethrowers at the start of one side but then you have to figure out another set of opening

[noble pewter]

do u have a myrtle

[signal lichen]

he has ely

that also

so thats good enough probably

[noble pewter]

[signal lichen]

i really have lost all my brain cells i thought that was bagpipe flipping me off instead of thumbs up

i was like wait what

ok what if

haruka borrow with hoshi

ok thats still kinda dying

[noble pewter]

ok its done, u just want borrow a mostima, as u have many good units to stall n do dmg, i show u vid later

just some small micro like put ines block 1 dog btw fireball, n maybe toggle a wisadel summon so she survive longer n u be fine, just spam skills when u feel is dangerous n u be fine as mostima help all ur caster cd fast, n u use cat when u feel like it

https://youtu.be/ZkWr3l0sO_4?si=Nte8YEtT5BwOM2dF

ya s3 is nice, good slow stun n push, n take with module slow down all enemy mvd spd so u can delay enemy even more

the flamethrower from top left u never want let them near ur midline if they explode everyone dies or they hit someone they get burn n die

if it does happenu might still able recover as u have virtuosa n suzu not really doing much, maybe they can replace the mostima or whoever else die midlane but it might get rough

[signal lichen]

idk why i didn't just think about middle like this

[noble pewter]

reed is really good fight the top left, she can outregen the caster hitting her, but maybe only when on skill

u can also consider change risk from less companion guard thing or phalanx thingy to more flamethrower at left map at start, but then u may need micro a surtr to kill the flamethrower n it make ur bottom mid left cant deploy anything until u deal with them

u having hool is kinda cool cause she silence n remove the enemy refraction when she lifts them i think

[signal lichen]

tried my own version

just pretty much yeah like he said and does

cycle everything

wis baits

mass slow

cat stall and damage

[signal lichen]

i went to 18 with this so also thanks

i just toook the extra speed tag

and suzu mostima is able to rotate enough

[signal lichen]

mod x is fine here as well

idk if it helps really but its fine

[thick sphinx]

I have haruka e2 60, so meh?

[signal lichen]

so happy i got 25 today on one of these

thanks to you and the pard video

had to improvise a little bit at the end

actually the first time i have ever maxed risk any cc stage

[jovial nest]

YES! Less pots but 4 Suis and Myrtle -> Ely worked.

The run i tried to mimic while doing some changes very late in the fight when the differences started surfacing

That's r25 cleared on all 4 stages of Matrix1

[idle bloom]

How many medics are needed on 4 -10

I'm losing to heat tiles

[elder flume]

theres heat tiles in an ice cold map ?

[idle bloom]

Wait

4-9

Mb

[elder flume]

depends on the strat youre doing

some strats dont even use medics

as long as your early vanguards can survive until skill it should be good enough to deploy medics etc

level the ops if theyre still E0

[valid loom]

you can use the middle of the map, put a aoe heal medic there (in the red spots)

and put tanky guys in green

kill stuff ez

oh but then there are slugs or something, right

if you double heal on the right it should survive boom bugs

[idle bloom]

Is surtr considered tanky

[valid loom]

not if you use s3 lol

[idle bloom]

So I should use s2

[valid loom]

you're gonna make me try this stage

bring some sacs for the caster ribbon things that should help

[idle bloom]

Does project red count

[valid loom]

yeah fast redeploy to bait the sarkaz ribbon

[idle bloom]

Can it bait both at once?

[valid loom]

if it's in range it can

their range is pretty long cant remember

[idle bloom]

I'll try top left once and middle right once

See which one works

[signal lichen]

What did you use for 7-18 and h9 2

Grats

I am gonna take it more slow and just chill with my one max risk done for today kek

[elder flume]

should be able to here

[valid loom]

place Saria (or tanky defender/medic defender) last so she can bait ranged attacks
and bait the sarkaz ribbon attacks with fast redeploys
your sniper on the right might die but just use some random ops to help out. I recommend blocking some of the boom bugs with spare ops when they come out
You can use anyone with decent attk and 2 or more block on left

example of sniper dead but I just fill it with random ops

[idle bloom]

It worked

Thanks

Eyja mvp

Lapland solo held for so long

[valid loom]

dang u had eyjalter? go off

[idle bloom]

She's like one of the 2 useful 6 stars i own

[valid loom]

she should survive till the end if you believe in her

but I think she leaked one when I was doing this strat

[idle bloom]

I placed Kroos top left face down for a bit to help

[valid loom]

yeah always improvise

[idle bloom]

Then retreated before the bind mage

[valid loom]

have fun with Frostnova

[idle bloom]

Is this the hardest stage of ch4

Surely right

[valid loom]

i can't remember you're near the end

[idle bloom]

I'm out of sanity

[valid loom]

frostnova has some rng but should be a breeze for you

[elder flume]

Chap4 newbie gate is usually 4-7

4-8 and beyond just looks intimidating because bind caster

But theyre pretty easy to shutdown with status or bait

[hidden axle]

It do be a good learning curve

[idle bloom]

How much res is res A

On frostnova

Surtr is arts i doubt she kills

[signal lichen]

with an entire s3 use she does but she may get frozen first

[vernal valley]

The letters are only vaguely meaningful. Lots of enemies with the same letter will have drastically different numbers behind that letter

[pearl compass]

Check on wiki, how much. Alphabetic is a gap between numbers.

[signal lichen]

the IS2 bear having S rank hp be like:

but seriously theres tons of memes like that

[pearl compass]

HP SS+

[signal lichen]

SS doesnt even do it justice either

[pearl compass]

Should be over 500k.

[signal lichen]

yeah testing surtr isn't even remotely close to 1 hp before she kills

buuuuuuuuuuut

she can get force retreated or frozen

so keep her off range or other things to bind/bait/bodies in front of frostnova

no medic ops for cm actually is kinda cursed though

thats can be a bit ackward for newer accounts for sure

enemies aren't that strong that 3* arts dps can't handle but you can have some issues without decent levels/cardigan and spot i suppose

[hidden axle]

Which stage is this

[signal lichen]

6-16

i assume?

oh wait i am

[sonic willow]

6-16 is fn stage right

[signal lichen]

4-10 is also FN stage

which he just was struggling with 4-8

and then i assumed 6-16 becuase????????????????????

[sonic willow]

Bro might be schizo

[signal lichen]

something like this though can handle both 4-10 and 6-16 cm

you have red and eyja as well even better

[topaz fog]

guys. should i borrow lemeun or exu alter for H15-4?

[signal lichen]

for 4-10 cm surtr can deal with both phases of frostnova in a single deployment

just use gravel/red/any bodies to bait for a tiny bit of time

[elder flume]

Oh does no mod Surtr pierce through 1 deploy

[signal lichen]

that i am unsure

its close

[elder flume]

20 res ignore is pretty big

[signal lichen]

this is a level 90 p6 mod 3 surtr sooooooo

ig probably not

but i mean 2 deployments isnt a huge deal either imo

she has a ton of check points

[foggy grove]

frostnova has only 50 res and paper bag hp

[signal lichen]

50 is a hell of a lot

but i mean the hp is very poor

[foggy grove]

50 is like standard for elite/boss

[signal lichen]

but yeah with p6 and mod 3 we are talking 28 res ignore

off that 50

so its just paper

[elder flume]

E2 1 SL7 max trust

Prob kills if you just heal her

[thick sphinx]

Story should be doable very easily right?

Ch 8 to 14 left for me

Incl 15-20 boss cuz it was too hard

[west viper]

How stacking buff calculation works?
I made two different foods

Second will be better because it gives +80 ASPD total?

Or not?

[tender orbit]

Not Endfield server

[foggy grove]

second text doesn't looks right

[glass monolith]

RA food is one per operator, you can't stack

[signal vector]

That's RA...

[sonic willow]

thas not endfield

[tender orbit]

OH REALLY???

[signal vector]

I mean RA is just 2D endfield anyways so

[tender orbit]

My ass never played RA seriously

[glass monolith]

If you asking for stuff like how ASPD +15/+15 and 50 tenacity will stack - 30-80 duh. Additive not multiplicative

[thick sphinx]

😆

Wait actually?

[thick sphinx]

I don't think anyone did, cuz all I was doing was glowstick farming

[glass monolith]

Well he is joking but you gather material for base building in both

[foggy grove]

okay the whole +15 aspd is wrong translation by yotard

2nd food is just the worse version

[thick sphinx]

There's a base in RA? In played IT FOR 6 hrs and don't know

😢

[elder flume]

RA the most broken gamemode

[thick sphinx]

Damn

[glass monolith]

Pepe RA module is to cheese entire resource gathering

[thick sphinx]

Damn

[west viper]

What do you mean wrong translation?
I'm not getting additional +30 ASPD?

[foggy grove]

you only get 50

oh nvm you adding aspd seasoning?

[west viper]

Yes, exactly

[foggy grove]

discounting frame rounding 2nd will be better if they scale with aspd

[vocal leaf]

could someone lend me a max pot bagpipe?

[brisk surge]

At ardanis

[sacred edge]

Is ra-no forward camp even possible

what da fuck is this stage

I need the chip catalysts

[tall sierra]

Why every duel jesselton always losing

Poor guy

[glass monolith]

Not always, but sadly being "boss" scores him quite high while he dont really have surviveability or murdering in him

[tall sierra]

1st round was also hilarious funny

It was him vs man eater

[glass monolith]

During last duel channel funniest shit i had is round 4 win in 30 man lobby

[tall sierra]

Instantly got nomed

[lapis hornet]

jess is so bad

[limpid ore]

he will win when you least expected it

and make everyone who bet against him lost

[lapis hornet]

it's like the golems

they never lose until they do

[vocal leaf]

is that you?

[glass monolith]

On perviosu duel channel i was in Silvergun lobby and there was round when like 20 / 22 people dropped out because they bet against Jess in fight which ended before Jess reached frontline

[jovial nest]

golems are shit against a mob rush

[vocal leaf]

i genuinely found a use for doc s2, the shield can protect gladiia from patriot25 oneshot

i have to restart this one tho, i let them kill tragodia

[jovial nest]

.....my r25 attempts didn't need Gladiia help to survive lance

although that maybe because of the chosen risks

and because Spalter is in the squad

Haruka was also healing Gladiia

[vocal leaf]

oh yeah spalter must make a difference

probably aak s2 can also work

i tried shamare doll and that didn’t save her tho

i think i’m missing zuo le pot4 to kill the mortars in time

[elder flume]

Thought SA S2 handles mortar alone?

If it doesnt kill SA but kills Zuo damn

[vocal leaf]

how bad could be to play 50aspd enemies with tragodia s3

[jovial nest]

btw

[vocal leaf]

im trying to to kill the heralds at the same time, all in 1

[jovial nest]

the strat i copied

used Spalter as the mortar target

so 2 in 1 deal to solve both Gladiia survival from lance due to Spalter talent

and Spalter tanking mortar for everyone else

[vocal leaf]

must be nice to have spalter

[jovial nest]

Matrix made me lose almost all my regret

from mod3ing and e2 capping ops i no longer use

hell, i actually S3M3'd and E2 capped Arturia

[vocal leaf]

@jovial nest oh you have max pot bagpipe right? i need one, im borrowing a no friend one

[jovial nest]

because Arturia just keeps resurfacing as solid value for max risk content

[jovial nest]

just put a friend request in

I'll set it up after this auto

you'll find my username in #friend-id by just searching my discord nickname within that channel

I'm gonna wait for your friend request

Bagpipe p5 already put in support slot

@vocal leaf

[hidden axle]

Bagpipe is back

[jovial nest]

it really is just a case by case basis

on what's the best DP solution for an arena

H5-1 needed a flagbearer to stay for a long time printing

others needed Texas + Saileach + Bagpipe for the fastest drop to solve a hard hitting normal enemy (7-18)

H9-2 allowed for Ines-only

[vocal leaf]

sent it

[jovial nest]

it really is just being flexible

enjoy

done

Luo is just there for some IS folks

[vocal leaf]

ok, thanks

[vocal leaf]

i used to have m6 purestream also windscoot m3, both max lvl and mod3

but now it’s time for matsu to shine

[jovial nest]

i think the sweatlords already have those

but most of the newer IS players

didn't get Luo for making acct too late

[sacred edge]

How to do 7-18 with this squad ? Tried to adapt to the eckogen guide

But it didn't work.

[elder flume]

Saria S1

Change Lumen to Plume

Make Plume activate Lemuen talent on Pat

Skill spam Lemuen

[sacred edge]

Ok

[sacred edge]

Minor problem

Plume is e0lv1

[elder flume]

same thing

[vocal crescent]

7-18 normally or HCM?

[valid loom]

the point is to use a laterano operator... so even Arene or Adnaciel would work
doesn't matter if they're strong or not

[vocal crescent]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV17dh8zLE1g also borrow Hoshialt with M3S1, she can solo it for you.

[sacred edge]

I see

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV17dh8zLE1g also borrow Hoshialt with M3S1, she can solo it for you.

I'll just borrow her because farming the mat which this level give me isn't even efficient from here

Lol

[elder flume]

too many ops solo this stage

[valid loom]

there was an Ela solo vid but it takes a lot of frame perfect-ish moves
and the traps

[sacred edge]

Is there a wisadel video?

[craggy heron]

not much people have s1m3 hoshialt though

[elder flume]

S1L7 should work

just not E2 1

[sacred edge]

Send wis vid pls

I got a friend with maxed out wis

[elder flume]

https://www.vxbilibili.com/video/BV1ib421h7fK/

[sacred edge]

I think I am gonna just ask my friend to put out his halter for me

Only way I like to play wis is by sitting back and relax

He has e1lv90 halter

[vocal leaf]

i did it, thanks @jovial nest

[jovial nest]

different flavor

the one that used CE

is your reference

[vocal leaf]

at the end CE was all gladiia needed to tank the lance, once again doc is irrelevant

[vocal leaf]

yeah CE is also a must for ulpi to survive p1, i took the 50 aspd patriot

everything dies faster

[lapis hornet]

wait what's this

it it timed or perm

I don't see it in the usual event ui?

[maiden hound]

perm. in the seasonal challenge ui

[lapis hornet]

kk ty

[main halo]

Kinda overkill for this anni

All AH

Lumen and Haruka for AFK heal

Thorns too

[cunning torrent]

Ok maybe I can get an answer here
for story progression do players use the 3/4 stars and max the abilities?
Like I still have a bunch of 3 stars at like rank 5

[fringe solstice]

depends on what 3/4 but ops like kroos, steward, cuora, click, etc are good. Usually you use 3/4 to fill out the squad with what you don't have. If you are short on books and materials I would stop at lv 4

[cunning torrent]

Oh well I only have a few 6 stars

I need to use the begin characters for some time

when are people suppose to stop using them

[tight osprey]

how do you beat 7-9?

absolute cancer

[foggy grove]

without knowing what you have
borrowing mountain or something works

[fresh temple]

damn

[fringe solstice]

Usually when you get more 6 stars elite 2 promotion. 3/4 stars can still be helpful in IS occasionally.

[cunning torrent]

Alright I keep that in mind, i am a long way from clearing IS

[pearl compass]

Mountain.

[tight osprey]

I have him

is he good?

[pearl compass]

E1?

[tight osprey]

yea

[pearl compass]

Put S2 and he will solo a lane for you.

Center line for sure.

[tight osprey]

I have hoshi alter as well

[pearl compass]

Too expensive.

[tight osprey]

which line?

the first one?

[pearl compass]

You need some cheap ops to fill up rushing doggos

Then continue to develop defenses.

The hard part is only on beginning, then it becomes piss ease.

[pearl compass]

Yep, the first moment doggo rushes.

[tight osprey]

should I borrow wis

[pearl compass]

Not needed.

But you may.

Pretty sure she will help on left side

Killing both left line and banned tile line.

[tight osprey]

ok

[misty epoch]

Anyone have support unit recommendations for IS3? (mizuki caerula arbor) preferably 6 stars

[fringe solstice]

wisadel, tragodia, exu alter, ulpianus off the top of my head

Yato alter, and the old meta texas alter

[vocal crescent]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV13J4m1K7og/

assume you have ALL OF THESE cause they have passive talents to buff

[foggy grove]

...what's the point of showing that clear

[vocal crescent]

he asked for how do you beat, i sent a record.

[fringe solstice]

I feel 7-9 was a vanguard check. I beat it with e2 siege

But there are cheaper and better alternatives

[elder flume]

Its pretty much low dp ops check

21 is your limit iirc if you want to plug right side with 1 blocker

[signal lichen]

most of chapter 7 feels like a vanguard check

dogrush is the true gimmick of the chapter after all

[foggy grove]

it's just dog rush
just use whatver cheap ops that works

[signal lichen]

i vaguely remember point kroos and steward and stuff at the center pretty much since the guys in the center circle around a lot courier i actually used a lot instead of fang back then even at e1 is decently comparable.

that and vanilla even

shes a lot more frail but she worked for me back then

[foggy grove]

my smurf has no vg raised

[signal lichen]

my guy

no vanguard chapter 7 💀

[foggy grove]

i clear it without borrow

[signal lichen]

i mean its possible for sure

its just a lot more annoying

[foggy grove]

it's not really

[signal lichen]

i am gonna assume you have a lot stronger operators raised then

mostly though anyway just trying to give more examples and ideas with 3* and maybe a few 4* since thats all you need here

even for CM

[foggy grove]

oh i raised yato if that count ig

[signal lichen]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1mY411s7hv/?spm_id_from=888.80997.embed_other.whitelist&t=261.628942&bvid=BV1mY411s7hv&vd_source=a267abc2403db1839d8bc0afd5deb03c

7-9 3* only

cm

[tight osprey]

wtf 😭

I'm the new gen here

[hidden axle]

Maybe ask this in #is-station

[jolly zinc]

https://youtu.be/W7EcmIoKIqc?si=l62fcxwHZsuR8_7m
arflanyr has more vids for this invest, you can watch him

[sonic willow]

Borrow mountain

[nocturne cove]

these new cc stages are something

im doing ls-4 with "cant deploy ranged ops" risk and it is hard

[noble pewter]

If hard then why not don't take

[nocturne cove]

cuz i like hard

🏃‍♂️

[signal lichen]

the reccord i saw for melee requires more ops then ranged i think its in general more heavy on the requirements pots/levels/specific things

maybe one day it

i would for sure as hell want to borrow a maxed saileach first though

[elder flume]

tfw the holes are only for unicycles

[signal lichen]

funni unicycle

[elder flume]

no kill gates

so all 55 enemies technically can be stacked together

[signal lichen]

55 enemies into the hole all at once

[naive drift]

getting decent at this strategy thing

question, do i always refund complete sanity if i withdraw from missions?

[pearl compass]

From last update (LeiziAlter release), it's always 100% every time through defeat/early quiting/game crashes or force-closes. No exceptions.

[thick sphinx]

Should I upgrade amiya ?

Or go to ch 9

[elder flume]

just skip if you dont want 6 extra stages

and Guard Amiya

[sacred edge]

We get guard amiya from this or we build only the guard amiya

I'm kinda confused

😆

[elder flume]

you get her

the only stage to get her

[sacred edge]

Ah

I don't wanna build amiya

[naive drift]

So even if I lose I get full refund? (sorry I really didn't see

[pearl compass]

Yes.

[naive drift]

Thank you

[pearl compass]

Well, the very exception is Annihilation

And it just settle your score according to kill and refund your sanity accordingly.

The less kills, the more refunded.

[noble hollow]

if you need to retry an anni cuz u leaked just quit your app

[elder flume]

tried changing vid reso and it skyrocketed to 300mb

[naive drift]

Gotcha

[thick sphinx]

Ah damm

This a balanced team right?

For the rest of the story?

[vocal crescent]

well... your healing is lacking.

Silence cant carry them all and Spot heal was pretty copium in later stages unless you micromanage well

any other healers you have?

[foggy grove]

literally haruka is there

💀

[noble pewter]

That's en e2 haruka there

[vocal crescent]

[smoky halo]

@vocal crescent exec alter

[vocal crescent]

red mist.

[smoky halo]

💀

[lofty stag]

Btw fib I’m rooting for you

[smoky halo]

which stage has red mist

thats released in the last 2 years

[sonic willow]

Advice: lacking

[vocal crescent]

it's still a mechanic

[smoky halo]

red mist isnt real anymore

[vocal crescent]

i said 100% of condition

i will stick with 100%

[smoky halo]

ulp s2 then

[sterile delta]

bro wants an operator that is a one to one copy of mountain but with a better statline
just fuck off bro thats a completely worthless metric

[vocal crescent]

that's the meaning of powercreep

[smoky halo]

its not

[sonic willow]

Mountain is just solid, he aite. Does his job but nothing great

[vocal crescent]

direct powercreep

[smoky halo]

being better in 99% of cases is already pwoercreep

[vocal crescent]

sorry, need more context

[jolly zinc]

[sterile delta]

i think you need to recheck your meaning of powercreep

[vocal crescent]

better IN EVERY SINGLE aspect

no

[smoky halo]

ok so powercreep doesnt exist

got it

is this the take you wanna go with?

[vocal crescent]

but true, Ulpi can be a good Monten powercreep

[remote perch]

Does Glock Powercrept Flintlock?

[vocal crescent]

for AK... well, that's valid. I take it

[smoky halo]

bruh

[remote perch]

This shitty metrics is like that

[sterile delta]

name me

one example of powercreep then

[sonic willow]

He's not cause mtn is much cheaper, according to your stupid definition of powercreep

[smoky halo]

lmao ok if u legit believe powercreep doesnt exist idk what to tell u anymore

[vocal crescent]

thanks

[sterile delta]

unless you want to go the bold claim that no game has ever powercrept anything

[vocal crescent]

i said can be, not is though.

[lofty stag]

Powercreep doesn’t exist

Are you mad

[sterile delta]

powercreep was just a figment of our imagination this whole time 😔

[smoky halo]

the true powercreep was the freinds we made along the way

[lofty stag]

Powercreep ate my homework

[smoky halo]

see like bengal powercrept asstrel

[lofty stag]

[sterile delta]

you dont know powercreep, it goes to another school

[smoky halo]

true guys exu sniper hasnt been powercrept yet

[sonic willow]

The dog ate the powercreep

[smoky halo]

shes still the best op for hitcount against air enemy

therefore shes still not powercrept

😇

[vocal crescent]

now that i think about this, powercreep initial purpose was to sell chars, like they make someone with flashier gameplay and more effective.
But then i also look at the gameplay diff levels. In AK, unless you are hardstuck in D18 IS like i did, or max risk CCB, 97% of operators can be the solution for anything else.
So powercreep can only SPEED UP the process, but not giving more true valuable result.

[jolly zinc]

omg my relicless dalao has said, i should go build her now

[lilac steppe]

Pass me the popcorn

[sterile delta]

that still didnt answer my question tho

[vocal crescent]

so if powercreep intended to make chars that CAN DO THINGS OTHER CANT, well.... they failed most of the time in AK.

[smoky halo]

why wouldnt u consider d18 or max risk

[lofty stag]

Ykw fib

[vocal crescent]

i didnt intend to answer your question, that was me rethinking powercreep,

[lofty stag]

Shill relicless

[vocal crescent]

good idea, i was waiting for ED4 IS2 relicless too

[sterile delta]

bro cant even give evidence for the concept they're rewriting

[smoky halo]

bro no one plays is2 relicless its turbo ass to play

but its prolly 5 ops

[cerulean hawk]

[smoky halo]

u go to f5 and if u dont hit crown u restart

do u wanna grind 4 floors for 1/7th chance to play game

[jolly zinc]

why does this feel like ragebait...first it was avemujica 5* now this

[vocal crescent]

theoretically it's still possible wouldnt it?

[smoky halo]

then u need to make sure u hit the ed4 encounter too

[vocal crescent]

then there's a way

[smoky halo]

no if u dont play 2x crown as ur cursed relic it doesnt count

[lofty stag]

So basically

Mountain shit

[vocal crescent]

just tell me if it's possible or not

[lofty stag]

Status quo unchanged

[smoky halo]

its possible

[lofty stag]

[smoky halo]

5 ops most likely

[vocal crescent]

there. end of discussion.

[smoky halo]

it will be ange s1 + cheeto to perma levitate the boss

[vocal crescent]

[sonic willow]

Spitting out L takes on the regular🥀

[vocal crescent]

all i need next is video for me to f- i mean enjoy

[smoky halo]

??

[lofty stag]

Oh we all know what you meant

[vocal crescent]

you can continue

[smoky halo]

theres nothing to say anymore since u believe powercreep doesnt exist theres nothing i can do to convince u

[vocal crescent]

hey, at least i did endgame shits regularly to make more ragebaits, not like people cant even 625

👀

[smoky halo]

what endgame mode do u play

[vocal crescent]

tbh, i can only be convinced if i want to. You should be like that too sometimes.

[sonic willow]

No backtrack, just own up to the bad takes

[vocal crescent]

D18 IS, CCB max risk. What else? RA red mode?

[cerulean hawk]

i can only be convinced if i want to
i mean what more do you want to argue with someone

[smoky halo]

no because u can always find a case where old op is better than new op even if new op is better in 99% of stages

u can name 2 sets of ops and u can magically find a stage where the "worse" op is better

[vocal crescent]

i knew my takes can be shit, but i dont care. As long as i still win in AK.

[jolly zinc]

:lappphone:

[stray forum]

by d18 IS do you mean ending 1 or hardest ending combos

[cerulean hawk]

Well you better care if you will type in these help channels

[smoky halo]

being better in 99% of stages isnt good enough for u so obviously its futile already lmao

[cerulean hawk]

People try to give best advice yknow

[vocal crescent]

IS6 23, IS5 245, IS4 234, IS3 24.

[smoky halo]

it ok help sucks anyway

[vocal crescent]

did i miss any?

[stray forum]

nope just curious

[smoky halo]

245 with or without wisadel?

[cerulean hawk]

One time wins?

[smoky halo]

🚬

[vocal crescent]

also, dont ask me of IS5 245 again, that shit is childplay

[stray forum]

?

[smoky halo]

?

[vocal crescent]

i said in case.

[smoky halo]

must be a wisadel player

[jolly zinc]

cant believe i get to watch this everyday

[smoky halo]

theres no way 245 is easy without wisadel

🚬

[stray forum]

its not

[vocal crescent]

fun fact: i rolled on that banner for Logos, 4 Wisadel before him in 180 rolls

[stray forum]

arguably the hardest IS ending combo that exists

[cerulean hawk]

and...?

[smoky halo]

what

[lofty stag]

Do you know how to argue

[stray forum]

actually no is6 ed5 exists now

[lofty stag]

Like at all

[vocal crescent]

which one bruh, i cleared that and i dont care.

[smoky halo]

nop ed5 is still not real

in En

[stray forum]

is5 245

[sterile delta]

saying is5 245 is childs play is kinda funny because even the best arknights players in the world wouldnt say that

[smoky halo]

245 is pretty hard without wisadel

[vocal crescent]

245 was hard? like even with Amiyi 3rd Egg?

[smoky halo]

its childs play if u dont ban wisadel

[vocal crescent]

[cerulean hawk]

its child play and i only look at runs where i win

[sterile delta]

cant wait for your debut in the next sgl

[cerulean hawk]

and highroll

[stray forum]

so you can do it consistently with winstreaks and its easy right

[cerulean hawk]

[jolly zinc]

[smoky halo]

look man if u use wishadele u basically lose to like almost nothing

[vocal crescent]

well, it's 90% of the time.

[smoky halo]

most ppl play wis ban in is5 aynway 🚬

[stray forum]

im so sure bro

[cerulean hawk]

90% winrate

why not play some tourneys

[smoky halo]

cant

wisadel is banned there

[stray forum]

i will deadass watch you play for 24 hours straight to see this 90% winrate

[sterile delta]

90% wr is literally impossible with the best players playing the best squads

[smoky halo]

bros winrate will drop to 9% without wis

[cerulean hawk]

Im down to watch

[stray forum]

same

[lofty stag]

Holy beatdown

[smoky halo]

90% wr is possible

with wis ban

[lofty stag]

This is peak

[smoky halo]

u just need to be chinese

[lofty stag]

Glad I’m on the winning team

[cerulean hawk]

90%+ wr has been achieved with escort gvg and other crap

[lofty stag]

Did bro dip

[smoky halo]

theurgy6 qualifiers were like 9 wins out of 10 runs (all need to be livestreamed)

[lofty stag]

Nvm

[sterile delta]

maybe like the absolute best piloter of vgg or sescort or something
does this guy look like them

[vocal crescent]

i learned from the best anyway

[stray forum]

either completely exaggerating or straight up lying

[smoky halo]

with a bunch of bans

idt 90% wr with wis is that bad 🤔

small egg ofc

super big egg idk i dont play enough

[vocal crescent]

tbh, the fact that we are believing each other on internet is already a joke lol

[stray forum]

clearly im not believing you

[vocal crescent]

yeah, i dont care anyway

[smoky halo]

it ok u can just post ur video as proof

[lofty stag]

Holy you are incapable of debating

[vocal crescent]

did i ever say i can?

[stray forum]

can i see your is4 triple alter clear

[sterile delta]

prove the haters wrong with one is5 2a45t3 vod

[cerulean hawk]

Well we're being baited into engaging with him

[lofty stag]

True…

[smoky halo]

2a45t3 isnt realistic to go for every run

need highroll

even with wis...

[sterile delta]

surely with their godhand they can manage it in a somewhat timely manner

[smoky halo]

ye getting 1 singluar win shouldnt be too bad

with wis

[vocal crescent]

not now since now i hate IS5. My last run was 2 days before IS6 cause i need to train myself a bit.

[smoky halo]

i am not looking forward to is6 dlc at all

it seems like talon gameplay

🥀

[stray forum]

when you're done training you can dm me to watch you play for 24 hours because i will

[vocal crescent]

first or 2nd?

[smoky halo]

both

[vocal crescent]

fair.

[smoky halo]

im gonna get more is3 relicless records instead

😇 infinitely more fun

4 op ooc time

[vocal crescent]

isnt that pretty done by now?

[smoky halo]

no

[vocal crescent]

we are just finding new limits by now

[smoky halo]

yes... thats part of it

if someone did 4 ops

u do 3 ops

if someone did 3 ops u do 2 ops

[stray forum]

fib do 1 op

[smoky halo]

1 op is turbo fake unless its a f4 stage or smthing

1 op ooc its ethan that dodges every atk and binds on every atk

👍 thoughts?

[vocal crescent]

well, i'm sure new operators will open tighter windows for that

but that means we need to wait

[smoky halo]

yeah cos they powercrept old ops

🗣️

[vocal crescent]

welp, cant argue with that cause i did think 6 OP ED4 IS3 relicless was enough

[cerulean hawk]

Fib is trying to profit on margins

[jolly zinc]

rip argument

[smoky halo]

5 op is done already

[vocal crescent]

that's why i said i once thought 6 was enough.

[smoky halo]

senz is hunting 4 ops now

[smoky halo]

bro cant argue wats the point 💢

[vocal crescent]

as long as it's IS D18 related, i cant argue with that cause i live with it

[jolly zinc]

i thought you would win regardless

[vocal crescent]

since when we need to win arguments online? is it helping us in real life too? Like give me new records in IS6 D18?

[elder flume]

join me in AS EX 1 no green tiles instead

[stray forum]

do u play on cn

[vocal crescent]

sometimes. I share an account with my friend, but rn he is actively using it for D15 IS6 so you can say i'm not playing on CN rn.

[stray forum]

u need to be using your skill to find is6 ed5 solutions rn

[jolly zinc]

sorry dalao, i think you might be goated for doing IS d15-18 unlike us plebs

[vocal crescent]

cool. i have 6 months btw. Can we ask Yotard to at least make IS DLC between two servers synced?

[vocal crescent]

dont worry, all you need to do is get less lazy.

[stray forum]

imagine if IS themes released with whatever expansions CN already got

it would be peak!

[vocal crescent]

guess the lazy ass in Yotard cant translate that fast (they ever did?)

not to mention the errors.

you got 6 months lah

[jolly zinc]

oka sir 📝 will start ragebaiting in help from tomorrow and prove it with d15-18 highroll clears

[vocal crescent]

you can do it

[jolly zinc]

thanks for the encouragement, can never be as goated as you

[smoky halo]

too little time to argue with bad players

🚬

not like ill get any useful information from the argument

😇

[vocal crescent]

hey, that costed only 25 mins or so

an average MOBA game for me, not that bad on a Sunday too

[thick sphinx]

Haruka

[vocal crescent]

you are too late sir

but i appreciate your effort

[jolly zinc]

‼️how can you

[smoky halo]

theres nothing to be gained

from aruging with that goober

💢

[vocal crescent]

hey

i still have feelings

[smoky halo]

cool, how does that translate into records

[jolly zinc]

he has played IS6 23, IS5 245, IS4 234, IS3 24.
he gotta be good :clueless:

[smoky halo]

i only care about records

[vocal crescent]

wish i can do that too

[smoky halo]

yeah he completed the tutorial

time to ban the strong ops and play 🗣️

or play relicless

[vocal crescent]

~~no need, only 5* ~~

that is even more brutal than relicless

[jolly zinc]

k bro, will get that on my 89th run which is a highroll