strategy

[sly drift]

Today update is 1.6GB on playstore dawg

This gonna rob my already ran out internal storage

[glass monolith]

Maybe practice plan -1 thing was inside some 1.5gb archive so game need to download it entirely to change entire sanity thing

[unkempt lintel]

should have rob a bank to buy new phone

[dapper hedge]

Isnt every app update always been that big

[glass monolith]

i'm corrupted by limbus 60mb updates

[void terrace]

Monster things

Actuallyhow decent is kalt in IS now

Althought monster usually ends up better i find kalt more consistent

Especially earlier in the run

[leaden sierra]

I wish you could see her negative health bar as a number on the side, that's a little inconvenient. But ye, tanks it just fine.

[sly drift]

You can measure it roughly

[leaden sierra]

the red bar is 2x her blue hp yes?

[sly drift]

Yea..

Modded lv3 she has 3876 Blue HP and 7752 Red HP

[leaden sierra]

It also doesn't help that the skill gives +100% max hp.

[sly drift]

I think you can boost red HP healing using passive healing like Skalter or something

iirc

[sly drift]

Wdym?

[leaden sierra]

I mean, it's good for her self healing and tanking, but it's not good when I try to figure out how much she can tank during or outside skill.

[tired relic]

idk how people run out of storage

im using an old phone

[glass monolith]

other trash on phones, idk videos, photos, 20 more gachas which are physically not manageable at once

[tired relic]

oh well maybe cuz i use cloud storage for images and videos

and most of my saved stuff goes into sd card

like yt video and spotify songs

[sly drift]

I don't know too
But here we are

[tired relic]

ah yes

20 gachas

there is the answer

[glass monolith]

85 gb audio... the fuck

[leaden sierra]

[dapper hedge]

Im allergic having my phone over 50% storage

[sly drift]

I have this habit of collecting songs that I like (Or literally just average song I found somewhere)

But man... This is going way off topic. Let's move on

[glass monolith]

Maintenance is 12 more mitures, so. No

[tired relic]

256

i only have 64

🤧

[leaden sierra]

The more we have, the more we waste, it doesn't make a difference honestly. If I had 1 TB, it would still be 80% full.

[glass monolith]

(Looks on my PC disk) 97%

[tired relic]

0 B audio

😭

i dont download music

[maiden hound]

it's highkey better

[sly drift]

Peak #salt-mines message

Done the job

[tired relic]

you forgot to tell how many pulls

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-chen-arknights-endfield-arknights-endfield-gif-5344401584532729035

[sly drift]

||40 pulls and now I have over 258 gold cert.||

|| Full refund baby ||

[tired relic]

nice

[sly drift]

It kinda destroy my plan for Mantra though

But whatever. What's important is my Mujica Saving is safe

[glass monolith]

My plans for Mantra: Keep pretending she doesn't exist

[sly drift]

You don't pull for Leizi too?

[glass monolith]

dont know

Might try luck on first 6* of banner and leave

Problem of having 141 e2 character - Why the fuck i would need 142th?

[sly drift]

Try 200

[sly drift]

DuskDragon on this year and day.

[glass monolith]

(English Saga S2 spam in background)

[sly drift]

This stage kinda tricky

Anyway I'm very mad that they don't use ost DuskDragon

[glass monolith]

I would say "Btw Heavyrain S2 protects from shield explosion", how how the fuck one allow it to explode in this economy

[sly drift]

Noice

[lapis hornet]

hey guys

i have a question

[glass monolith]

answer is 42 and Wisadel

[lapis hornet]

what masteries for leizi?!

[sly drift]

M6

S2 and S3

[lapis hornet]

brah

[sly drift]

Hell.. S1 probably worth too

It's considerable

[lapis hornet]

do.they have any usage over mlynar

[glass monolith]

Bruh is me having 7 oriron cluster left

[lapis hornet]

I'm doing s1 for ccb fo sho

[sly drift]

M9 then

[tall sierra]

any1 has Ray paradox sim video?

[lapis hornet]

uh

i did it blind first try

?!

[sly drift]

Actually not really if you bring Mlynar already.
What makes them different is (kinda obvious) is that enemy CANNOT target Leizi offskill. But as for Mlynar you make enemy TARGET him.

Like.. She's nearly invulnerable even if you put her near red box or something

[lapis hornet]

yeah his taunt is giga pita

haven't used him since wis logos tbh

maybe I just ditch him to aura farm with leizi gg

[sly drift]

Peak

[lapis hornet]

i just put her there , remember her summon increase range

for two bosses I went bow first idk if it matters tho

[sly drift]

Now that we have Exusiai S2.
You can deploy Leizi in the middle of battlefield alone offskill, no one will target her. And when Leizi Skill is up. You protect her with Exu S2.

Pretty neat eh..

As if Exu S2 don't obliterate them alone

[elder flume]

idk if E2 1 S3L7 41% trust Ray works

im a bit short on damage hm

[tall sierra]

thx cleared it

i also went for bowknight 1st since if he get enraged he gonna nuke my ray when he entered the stair

[lapis hornet]

ayaya

[glass monolith]

I dont have oriron to build LazyCopter and next time it farmable is Pepe rerun. Trash game. See you later

[robust kiln]

How are you supposed to avoid getting one shot by DSK's barrier in FM-8? I don't understand his range

[glass monolith]

Kill barrier, it is just extra HP on top of DSK ass

[elder flume]

ok i just had to Red top Utage bottom and cycle dps + stun between 2 of them

[dapper moat]

is there any way to afk new hotel avenue with this team? if not then who should i replace (i have horn if she could help)

or what skills should i change

mb forgot to change pozy

[dapper moat]

nvm i used lemuen

it worked

[sly drift]

Gracebearer is just unreal bruh
Old boss stand no chance

They should've bring Blight boss from Shu event instead of this outdated dragon ngl

[dusk quest]

Almost was Yan only, I just missed some arts dmg

[sly drift]

Funi Challenge condition

[mild agate]

Surprisingly not challenging if you didn’t use ground blockers at all

[undone jolt]

I am struggling in jt-8 2, this is my roaster, what can i use? And deployment order etc

I understand gravel and silverash are a must bc of redeployment time for the igniting, but the drone is difficult for me to kill, i am working on e2'ing zuo le btw

[mild agate]

Exu 2 should be able to deal with the drone

And tragodia should be useful for stalling the boss and the mobs

[undone jolt]

Not enough dps to kill the drone before the drone reaches the people at base

But i coyld try

[mild agate]

An alternative strategy you could try is just placing down two defenders by the blue box and then using healers to stall whilst you slowly chip away at it

In my case I used Cuora and Gummy which are pretty accessible units due to their rarity

[undone jolt]

I won

Just had to lock in

Like placing gravel when whenever off cooldown, having tequilla in the lane of talulah so that exusiai can steal his aspd to have enough dps to kill the drone, retrweat exusiai, replace with phantom place gravel to take the burn, place silence before she died, and had tequilla and phantom kill her

[mild agate]

I meanwhile just completely ignored the boss mechanic and dps’d her down with typhon S3

[glass monolith]

Surely wont backfire on JT8-3

[mild agate]

JT8-3 with swimsuit knights is going to be miserable

[elder flume]

failing auto and not losing sanity is a weird feeling ngl

https://youtu.be/YgVI1CdOWHM?si=ZCjPeud9lRUaY6HS

[jovial nest]

What's the opinion on GG's 2nd module?

[worn root]

More res ignore

Kinda eh

[wintry gulch]

Better damage worst mob clear, not really worth getting if you already have modx3

Unless you just really like her I guess

🍿

[crisp bolt]

[south spindle]

I would debate but I’m tired

My take is if you care about IS you will have both your gummy and cuora raised lol

But what matters for IS doesn’t matter to newbie for a while until they really get into it

👍

[unkempt lintel]

[unkempt lintel]

and then ive seen matterhorn being selled at is5

[south spindle]

Gn I’ll read this in an hour or two

Ping me lol

[south spindle]

Situational

[tender patrol]

is there an invisible debate

or is fae waiting for a message

[unkempt lintel]

waiting

the man still cooking to cook a counter argument

[hybrid basin]

@remote perch correction, I understand how I originally labeled the units as insane and I quickly changed my statement to better reflect the quality of the units, and the statement where gummy and ethan are good for is I can understand, but you dont see what the op was asking originally, they wanted 4 stars for recommendation, not 3 stars, since neither of us truly know the current progression of op, i am basing my assumptions on an intermediate player that has completed some story chapters, built a team that works for them, and is just looking to see what potential 4 star units are deserving if ops attention, I regret mentioning is as I am assuming op was at the stage to finally get jnto the is game mode. I do stand by my argument that in general play, most 3 star units fall short, I am not saying 3 stars are terrible investments in an account, for one I totally agree with building 3 stars(teaches the games mechanics duh), but as someone who used to use 4 stars units in an effort to reserve resources for higher tier units(walter my beloved), I transitioned more to a meta account where I just want to play the game in a casual manner, I still use spot in is2 because of the 2 hope 4 stars, but as I mentioned before, it is unfair to make a statement strictly for is(which I am willing to take accountability for since I mentioned is(I played is5 the most too so im a bit biased)).

[teal moon]

man, you should turn into a stable isotope. All this is making you spout nonsense

[void terrace]

Hey guys weird question. Why isnt eblana just used more? Her s3 even without any summons is such an insane arts nuke. 800% x3 on 17 sp or so, combined with modern buffers like monster or civilnight just mean she can easily benefit from atk buffs

And her double tap tallent below 50% hp is also nuts

[hybrid basin]

in a way this argument is just a biased battle, no two players have the same ideal team composition and execution for stage clearing which I totally think is what makes arknights stand out as a gacha game, hoyoslop forgot about lower rarity units entirely and power scaling, arknights has an insane player base that allows for literally all niches to clear every stage of game, it just matters on how well the player can use units to clear content and whether or not they find the gameplay engaging and rewarding

[teal moon]

if I want some nuke I'd probably use Lemuen

not Eblana

[hybrid basin]

sorry walter and apple pie melted my brain, im comparable to an originium slug in my event clears, and if you were to see the base context of the discussion you would probably understand what I’m arguing for

[void terrace]

17s vs 38sp cooldown be like

Plus arts vs phys

Diff applications

Somehow find myself using saga a lot more now with eblana

She synergises perfectly with allowing eblana to place her summon where she needs it in the opening

[lime lantern]

Well lemuen is also a much bigger and also global range nuke

[dapper hedge]

Global range nuke in parentheses

[remote perch]

Wdym I don't see what they're asking originally?

I know they asked for 4* recommendation, which i also answered after my comment after yours. My argument started because you somehow call Gummy, of all things, "Insane". Not even any other actually good 4 stars, just Gummy.

I never said to not use 4 stars, what i said is that in IS, 4* aren't really drafted unless you're doing any specific High D multi End runs or they're free. Gummy is only used in IS5 because she's free, being only used in ONE IS doesn't deserve to be called "Insane" in IS, because without any specific number, it implies she's good generally, which she is not

[teal moon]

man, did you smoke sth?

Saga

Saga

the vanguard

is it not a misspell?

[remote perch]

It's not
Gummy is objectively ass

For the average player, drafting a 4* is objectively worse than saving hope for good 6*

Also, yes i agree on making the comment that we don't know what progression he is at

But let's be real
Any person who's asking for 4* recommendation are more likely to be a newbie than not, which it's not worth wasting resources specifically for IS for them.

Player who are ready to be dumping resources specifically for IS would be experienced enough to atleast know who is good. And certainly know that he should be specially asking about IS and not in general

[teal moon]

if a 4* only player is asking, they shouldn't play 4* only

it's either a newbie or a troll

[foggy grove]

for one it's not isane arts nuke

total dmg matter for nuke,you are not killing most elite without her summon

[hybrid basin]

to answer you first statement, they asked what are some good 4 stars besides myrtle, the problem with opinions is that I believe it is so that gummy is exceptional for what shes worth, she provides consisten healing, can stall certain units, is cheap to build and functions as intended, while it is true that in earlier is’ 4 stars are barely drafted because of their high hope cost, it is unfair to say blatantly that it is the worst option to choose, is can be cleared with low rarities, and I want to restate my statement as content in general, not only is, the 3 players that play stationary could use low star units if they felt like it

[foggy grove]

when they ask good 4*,my mind doesn't come to gummy

[remote perch]

Not even my top 10

[next wigeon]

I don't draft Gummy either and I have her built

[dapper hedge]

No joke id put may above gummy

Lol

And ethan gravel easily fill in top2

[hybrid basin]

this I agree with you, I still think 4 stars offer a lot of knowledge in how units function to form a squad, I myself dont use 4 stars in the early is stages because it is true that they are hard to come by, and it is way better to save sanity for a higher rarity unit

[next wigeon]

Yeah was thinking of May, Click and Sussuro more

Maybe Beanstalk but that's an IS5 usecase mostly

[wintry gulch]

Outside of IS for a second

Gummy isn’t bad, it’s just that “exceptional” is an over-exaggeration of her actual value, especially since Spot (who is much cheaper to build) can take her place pretty well. I do think helpslaves overestimate newbies sometimes, but from an objective point of view, Gummy’s only real advantage over Spot is her ability to heal while afk, which isn’t really worth the difference in cost.

[hybrid basin]

I think our discussion nears its end, while it is not totally a must for players to use certain units its over others, I am a firm supporter in diverse options in gameplay, in the end what does it matter how someone lists top 10s, its all subjective to the one who is listing, and thats the inherent problem that I think plagues arknights tier lists and whatnot, theres no way to power scale units in a set manner, every operator fits a certain niche(except for hot garbage in the form of frostleaf(IN MY OPINION SHES HOT DOG WATER IN EVERY ASPECT, LOOKS, KIT DESIGN, EVERYTHING) and it comes down to personal preferences in how you want to enjoy arknights

[wintry gulch]

anyone know if there’s a frostleaf fan I can summon from #arknights

[next wigeon]

@odd forge

[wintry gulch]

[hybrid basin]

while yes spot is cheaper and offers good knowledge on the archetype of guardian defenders, I use the term exceptional to mean above average, i did not mean to come off as extreme in the case where gummy is a must build, it is exaggeration in my behalf that made my statement potentially rub some the wrong way

[spice mortar]

Any niche outside of mine is objectively bad and players should conform to my standards of what a good operator is. Case closed

[remote perch]

I mean you're the one who brought up IS in the first place on the initial recommendation so don't blame me for commenting based on IS

Also it is a strictly worse option, but because an option is worse doesn't mean it doesn't work. You can still beat IS even with drafting 4* but it's an objective worse strategy because you can easier clear IS with 6* than delaying your 6 stars by drafting 4 stars

[spice mortar]

I wonder if later is will make 5 star 0 hope

[wintry gulch]

IS8 6 star 0 hope

[spice mortar]

Comes with the release of 7star obv

[wintry gulch]

Exactly

[hybrid basin]

I already accept it as my doing for bringing up is and have made many attempts to redirect this argument towards a general discussion about the value gummy can bring, and it is in my opinion that there is no worse strategy(other than bringing a wet noodle known as frostleaf), if you think that low rarity clears are the worst in terms of strategy than you are free to think like that, I think it pushes the game to its limits, seeing the replay ability and self made challenges to extend the engagement with the game is something I find great about arknights

[rapid junco]

[wicked minnow]

if person is new, i dont think they are ready to push the game to its limit with the tried and true 4* strategy of highrolling in IS

[steel prairie]

do Leizi Alter and Mylnar have good synergy so they can cycle properly or no ?

[foggy grove]

mlynar skill only last 28s so there will be like 15s downtime

[maiden hound]

just add tequila windscoot to cover downtime

[foggy grove]

how broken is hoe s2?

[steel prairie]

ah shit

so I guess seperate teams then

[south spindle]

What why

[ripe saffron]

Is exu alters hp supposed to drain constantly

[vital arrow]

check her subclass trait

[tired relic]

leizi is so bad

😭

140 pulls

[hidden axle]

She's too leizi to show up

[pearl compass]

🥹

Yes.

[tired relic]

thank god i didnt get past hard pity this time

[steel prairie]

what is Leizi Alter best skill ???

[steel prairie]

isnt a 15 second gap not good for cycling ???

I mean sure you can somewhat compensate it but in AK 15 seconds feels like an eternity

feels like cycling must be under 10 seconds to be viable atleast to me

[pearl compass]

S2

[steel prairie]

bruh I spend 100 rolls on Trag and 50 rolls on Ulpipi and got NEITHER of them

[foggy grove]

cycling skill doesn't mean just brainlessly pressing it whenever it's ready

15s is fine

[south spindle]

Think you are overthinking it.

[tired relic]

never back down never what

[primal fossil]

Hey guys Tragodia

S1 / s2 or S3 m3?

[steel prairie]

ik that but isnt closer the better ???

and in AK terms 15 seconds feels like forever (atleast to me it feels very fast paced, especially on multi lane maps)

actually let me reword it

[violet sorrel]

S2

[steel prairie]

I feel like AK gameplay wise is very fast (not the fastest but its up there)

and if its multi lane it feels even worse

it feels way faster

since you gotta manage DP and skill times within two areas

[steel prairie]

tf how did I not get notif ???

[south spindle]

Because you can turn off reply pings...

[steel prairie]

wait then whats the time gap between Silverash and Mylnar then ???

[pearl compass]

SilverAsh is Release unit
Mlynar is between CC12 and Dorothy

Before CC12, Linkering Echoes Debut

And my first tapping my name

So 2023

[glass monolith]

One is on release, other is early year 4

[steel prairie]

ah f uk I let me rephrase my words

[glass monolith]

And we entering year 7

[steel prairie]

I mean cycling their skills

[pearl compass]

Oh

[glass monolith]

[steel prairie]

whats the down time between Silver and Mylnar if you tried to cycle them ?

[pearl compass]

M3:
SilverAsh 90 sec
Mlynar 42 sec

[steel prairie]

because last time I said downtime someone got confused

[leaden sierra]

just use exu S3

[pearl compass]

[steel prairie]

problem: she is expensive as fuk right now

[steel prairie]

holy shit thats worse

I assume the 15 second downtime between Leizi and Mylnar is also M3

[foggy grove]

for sa you are better off redeploying him

[steel prairie]

thats what I have been doing quite a lot with him

[leaden sierra]

Fun fact, if you have leizi, mylnar, Sash, and exu you can shwing shwing with 0 downtime in between.

[glass monolith]

[steel prairie]

who is Sash ?

[leaden sierra]

silverash

[steel prairie]

oh LMAO...... why you call him sash man LMAO

[foggy grove]

you are prolly overthinking it tbh
this is my old h11-4 team
outside of mlynar everyone else here has awful cycle but you can slow down the enemy on the downtime or tank it

[weak gazelle]

schwingknights real?

[leaden sierra]

because I'm leizi

[steel prairie]

is this a pun ?

bruh

[glass monolith]

Call him just Ash and count seconds before someone assume you means R6 Ash

[steel prairie]

I thought R6 is dead for anyone to remember now

like how I try to call skills by levels with L because people get confused when I say S thought there is a skill 7 lmao

[leaden sierra]

Are they trying to do H15-4? IC IC

[foggy grove]

nah just example of skill cycling

[steel prairie]

no its just that I feel AK is very fast paced somewhat which makes cycling management very hard

like you must have good timing or else you leak or wasted DPS

[foggy grove]

wasting dps is fine

as long as it clear

[leaden sierra]

Cycles are good and all, but it all depends on the stage. If you want 0 downtime, infinite skills exist.

[foggy grove]

sometimes people premptively activate skill

so they are ready for next waves

[steel prairie]

here uh Im mostly talking about bosses like they have phases for example

a lot of times a boss phase barely survives with 1 Mylnar swing short
thats one thing Im worried about and have to waste the next Liberator skill to do it

[weak gazelle]

hmm fast paced game
only experience that when play optimal strat

[steel prairie]

like for example I think it was Steam Knight on Adverse Mylnar was one swing short of killing 1 phrase forcing me to activate Ray skill way too early than intended

[weak gazelle]

ak is trial and error type of game most of the time

[steel prairie]

ik that

but its feels even more fustrating when your like 1 swing short

like I get it if its still 50% alive thats my fault obviously

[weak gazelle]

keep repeating the same stage give you the memory how enemy behave

[leaden sierra]

sounds to me like you want a Yato

[steel prairie]

her Alter version ?

[leaden sierra]

ye, but basically you want an eraser. Something to adjust or fix mistakes. Fast redeploys exist for that reason.

[weak gazelle]

1 short hit
is that mlynar is max level and mastery?
there is many way to fix that

adding buffer/debuffer for example

[foggy grove]

or debuffer

[steel prairie]

exactly there you go
thats what I want

smth to fix mistake but AK feels very brutal to mistakes

except I hear that Yato is super rare

the only other alternative is maybe Texas Alter ?

[steel prairie]

well not level 90

but S7M3 for sure + mods (mod 1 tho)

[foggy grove]

the thing is it's okay to fail
we don't even have sanity penalty now

[leaden sierra]

tragodia S2 is the better choice these days.

[steel prairie]

ye but I couldnt get him even after 100 rolls sadge

both Trag and Ulpipi avoided me and placed my Hoshi Alter/ Haruka chance at risk

[foggy grove]

it's all hypothetical scenario anyhow there are possible ways to salvage a run

[leaden sierra]

You could cope with utage, but idk she requires skill.

[leaden sierra]

ye, ideally, you just keep retrying until you don't make mistakes.

[foggy grove]

trag worth it unless you really like hoshi that much

[weak gazelle]

nah, its ok
its learning
now you know the mistake, try how to fix it

thats the best part playing this game
keep repeating until succeed
idk about other but for me its the best feeling when have an idea and worked

[foggy grove]

fixed mistake a,now dies to mistake b

[weak gazelle]

thats how the try hard cc do all the time

[steel prairie]

btw is this stage worth farming even tho its rate "rare" ? (most stage have it rated uncommon)

[weak gazelle]

dont bother farming there

[glass monolith]

This is not "farm event stages" event

[weak gazelle]

oh its durian, well... this shit drop rate are awful anywhere

[sly drift]

Done my part..
7CM is harder than 8CM

[tired relic]

👏

[fierce tendon]

I finished this event using laterano ops only

Its cm btw, i misclicked the volume button

[foggy grove]

since it's leizi's event maybe i should do yan

but feels like it'll just devolve to ling

[void terrace]

Damn raised leizi s1 but it feels kinda weak 🫠

Is there some trick to getting all 3 hits to land on an enemy? I always wait till they are directly below her

[azure roost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/684044989319479319/1448970012047048816/Screenshot_20251212-172829.jpg?ex=693d31fb&is=693be07b&hm=930b8d58900dd25837d5179b2d9c0804492d87a82188ed619b19f2cfc0f12f55&

[sly drift]

S1M3?

Let me borrow

[void terrace]

Its at m2

And caus im an idiot i dont have her moduke

Caus i forgot i didnt have original leizi trusted....

It will be m3 in like 1.5 hours

[topaz tapir]

Where should I put the rest of my defense

[sly drift]

Below myrtle and Top lane.

[pearl compass]

Top side

[topaz tapir]

Retreating Myrtle later

[sly drift]

How do you even defend bottom lane with this

[topaz tapir]

Oh how bad does bottom lane get

[sly drift]

Blaze solo top and Cuora lapp bottom?

[pearl compass]

Heavy Shieldbeavers and Sniper Owls.

[sly drift]

Oh.. you have 10 deployment limit

[pearl compass]

Would even worry about top

With wagons.

[sly drift]

Shouldn't be problem if 10 Deployment limit lol

[topaz tapir]

Top and bottom meet at one point tho

[pearl compass]

You will allow global buff to Sniper Owls?

Alr

[sly drift]

If you let top lane enemy pass through top right.

You basically fucked

[pearl compass]

Have fun tanking Arts

[topaz tapir]

I have no idea what enemies do what and where they come from dont blame me for that bra

[sly drift]

Also what the fuck is that Ptilopsis placement.

Can you deploy her to one tile right from her to cover wider range

[topaz tapir]

idk heals for ranged units just in case

Might restart rn by closing the app

[sly drift]

You can just retreat redeploy her right now

[topaz tapir]

eh but you convinced me to adjust my defense to defend top and bottom seperately

[sly drift]

That too

[topaz tapir]

its still 87/400 anyways

[indigo zinc]

Need some advice is this team already good for annihilation?

[pearl compass]

Bazaar?

[indigo zinc]

Any kind of annihilation that can fit into it (I honestly don't know much about it)

I meant like any map that I can use this team

[pearl compass]

No, different map requests different solutions.

So you either say map name

Or I'll leave you here

[indigo zinc]

Ohhhhh then how about long spring waste?

[sly drift]

My best bet is. Put ptilo above Kroos facing down. Sussuro below exu facing up. Top laneholder could be Blaze. Bot laneholer Lappland and Cuora below Myrtle tile.

You still have bunch undeployed. You can use it if something went wrong

[topaz tapir]

then I sell Myrtle for Ines facing bottom?

[pearl compass]

Decent, but you may bring strongest SupportUnit to make it even doable.

[topaz tapir]

what website or app is this for layouts

[pearl compass]

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.floatick.arknightshelper

[sly drift]

My complain is that you severely need art damage which Top lane and Bot lane needed if you physical damage can't pierce enemy def

Bot lane solved by Lappland

[topaz tapir]

oh so Ines top lane?

[sly drift]

Ines won't do shit to B+ def

[topaz tapir]

oh what do i do for top lane then

[sly drift]

Blaze and Tequila

Only add Tequila if Blaze really cant damage them

[icy vector]

@south spindle so how does res and def work now?

[south spindle]

Defense is a flat reduction on each physical hit

Res is a simple % reduction

[icy vector]

is there arts def?

[south spindle]

this is how you implement res, but no defense

oops

thats supposed to be a 100 not 1

[icy vector]

so it's a bit like how ignore monster defense works in maplestory?

[narrow pendant]

[south spindle]

never played

25 res = 75% arts effectiveness

(100-25)/100 = 0.75

really simply

[narrow pendant]

100 arts dmg vs 25 res
100 - 25%

[icy vector]

oh so it's not a diminishing thing nvm

[south spindle]

defense needs you to subtract

individual hit

[icy vector]

oh r is res my brain is

beyond cooked rn

[south spindle]

extended formula with defense

oops

mistype

i need to sleep soon im tired

[narrow pendant]

Thats 2nd oops in 3 minutes

[pearl compass]

Go to.

[icy vector]

Oh so it deducts from the base of ops atk

icic

[south spindle]

uh dont call it base attack

thats the 432 part

[gusty fiber]

no it deducts from final dmg

[icy vector]

final dmg is the word

[south spindle]

thats not final damage

it deducts from post scale numbers

[icy vector]

It doesn't seem complicated now

[south spindle]

phase 1: attack buffs
phase 2: attack scales
phase 3: mitigations (def/res)
phase 4: post mitigation scales

[icy vector]

It just takes a bit for my brain to process

[gusty fiber]

mb men its like some number point where phys dmg is at its highest. final dmg is like after all the reductions and mults

[south spindle]

phase 2 attack scales is the part we split earlier because

distributive property can let you stack the scales with addition

[icy vector]

you haven't played enough brainrot idle rpg where they have hyper mega super final dmg

[south spindle]

but phase 3's mitigations complicate it

so the (3.55(3)+1) is a math trick

not a mechanic

game seperately applies each

[icy vector]

I understood that, I just didn't see her damage before skill usage as a whole block itself before

[south spindle]

and then theres minimum damage calcs

but thats honestly over kill

[icy vector]

I don't think the damage deviates too much in ak, no?

or only the crit doesn't

[south spindle]

minimum damage is if the mitigators are too high

[icy vector]

cause whenever my exu2 uses her skill 2 the number doesn't seem to vary

[icy vector]

res and def?

[south spindle]

happens alot with physical damage

if post scale damage is like 1000

[sly drift]

What's with "simple % reduction"?

[south spindle]

but defense is 2000

it still does some damage

[south spindle]

i was talking about just res

[icy vector]

you made me want to restudy math again

even though this is honest to god basic math
I feel a bit stupid for not wrapping my head around

[south spindle]

and i wrote the expanded res formula

[gusty fiber]

phys minimum is 5% idk what arts dmg was

[south spindle]

its 5% minimum damage

not arts or phys

[gusty fiber]

oh ok

thought they were diff somehow cause phys was always annoying

[sly drift]

How's final damage calculation?
Include ignore and damage reduction
The order

[icy vector]

d only applies for phys atk here so that's why arts didn't get -d too
and (100-r/100) at the end for res

this all makes sense yeah

[south spindle]

Though, Im not sure exactly how DR works with minimum damage

[icy vector]

yeah minimum damage seems overkill

[foggy grove]

it's all on the mechanic sheet

dr reduce min dmg too

[south spindle]

yeah thats the only thing that makes sense without

making it very weird

thats usually how i did it but never checked

[icy vector]

when you got a teacher to teach you
you might as well try to understand 1 thing at a time

my brain overcomplicates things way too easily

[south spindle]

Leizi S1 ideal damage simplified

dont need to worry about min damage much

its just annoying to deal with

[gusty fiber]

0def 0res quik maths version

[south spindle]

use Desmos to story variables

[icy vector]

mmm I see

[south spindle]

or i guess exc*l exists

[icy vector]

I find excel and desmos annoying to learn but probably because I literally haven't tried it and thinking about math scares me lol

I should really look into those

[sly drift]

So the order is...
Def/Res flat>Def/Res %>Ignore def/Res>damage amplification (Fragile,etc)>Damage reduction??

[south spindle]

i use desmos
its a tool to make your life easier 😭

[narrow pendant]

Ok nerd

[icy vector]

I should really use those tools more often so I'm not scared of math anymore

and it visualizes it as well

[narrow pendant]

Do my homework

[glass monolith]

42

[sly drift]

Anyone can answer this?

[south spindle]

use variables to make storing things easier, makes uh this more readable

this is final leizi s1 damage calculator, without calculating enemy DRs and no buffs

[narrow pendant]

Wheres talent atk scale

Oh blind, at the top

[glass monolith]

Good question because i honestly never bothered with order of %/flat/ignore. Fragile and DR is basically same time because it is multiplications, just one make it bigger and other smaller

[icy vector]

my brain despises complicated things but I'm very sure it's because I haven't tried them yet

cause it doesn't seem that complicated anymore

[south spindle]

this is done to make things less complicated

its foreign until you learn it

[icy vector]

this

it's becoming less of an alien speech to me now

but my brain needs time to heal from this

my brain is dying

[south spindle]

the only unfamiliar thing you may not see in school is the max() function

max(a,b) finds the greater number
min(a,b) finds the lower number

[glass monolith]

You have like 1 month to heal, afterwards it is how Haruka DR affects effective health pool math lesson

[icy vector]

I was homeschooled since I was like 12 so basically everything including English is self taught

so no I would not have learned about it either way LOL

at least I'm learning now

[south spindle]

well its a computer function essentially

[icy vector]

comp sci function ic

[gusty fiber]

next time learn thorns modx2 dot and ascalon dot math

[icy vector]

so on top of learning drawing
I got another thing on my to do list

do meth, more often*

[shrewd hound]

@south spindle when is the saki chan calc that includes notes curvature gonna be ready

[south spindle]

@shrewd hound

this is all you get

have fun

this is idealistic

[icy vector]

I think I should stop reading about math for the time being before my brain actually explodes

I think my brain grew like 4 wrinkles from this entire convo alone

[shrewd hound]

:raypog:

[glass monolith]

Don't worry, it is "easy" math. I gave up on my math abilities when Integral entered chat

[narrow pendant]

Wasnt it 180k
Where did the extra 6k come from

[south spindle]

Uh this is just unnecessary

[narrow pendant]

[south spindle]

where'd you lose 6K

id love to take it

[narrow pendant]

[icy vector]

no but it's very interesting to look at
the graphing thing for damage could actually look like a shape

I am balancing both intrigue and my own sanity

[south spindle]

Uh the most interesting thing I've done in AK

[icy vector]

*and protecting my brain from actually hurting

[south spindle]

Is Leizi S2 damage vs tile expansion

[icy vector]

this leizi or the og

[south spindle]

alter yes

[icy vector]

so u haven't done anything super interesting until recently

or something like that

[south spindle]

she has a stacking system on s2, and she doesn't stack as fast with less tiles

so you can write a function for how much damage she will get off with x tiles of range

[south spindle]

leizi released in CN 6 months ago

[icy vector]

math seems fun
but my brain actually just starts hurting within like 30 minutes

I'm assuming it's because I'm actually listening and learning

[pearl compass]

No way

3D DPS graph

[south spindle]

logos numbers had me ripping out hair
should've programmed it instead because calculating necrosis with rng talent without real variables was cancer
and i wanted to include function for adding buffs / doing elemental resistances / confidence intervl

[icy vector]

I don't even think the programmers themselves did it manually

[south spindle]

Leizi took 2-3 hours to cook up a equation from scratch
Logos was just painful and long

[icy vector]

basically just include variable and see if the numbers match and pray the program did it's thing

[south spindle]

its very very very reasonable to do average numbers and calculate averages

making decimal perfect calculators is painful

[icy vector]

thinking about it as someone who hasn't trained their brain for math yet

is already giving me aneurysm

[south spindle]

programming is math on steroids

[icy vector]

and my brain would have a nervous breakdown

[icy vector]

ai is as well
*If you actually know the basic structure and have a solid foundation and understanding of the subject

ok that's just a very complicated way to say programming isn't it

[south spindle]

well i presume you dont wanna see it then

[icy vector]

I would like to eventually

[lime lantern]

how was calcing leizi s3

[icy vector]

but 1 step at a time

[lime lantern]

howd u factor in the bounces

[south spindle]

I resigned after doing S2, let others do S3

i was only interested in being first to do S2 on release

[lime lantern]

has anyone done s3

[south spindle]

think people said like 160K for S3 ideal bounces

[icy vector]

you haven't resigned for logos yet tho

[lime lantern]

You see now im interested in how many walls = how much damage

also some said like 200k

so someones lying

[south spindle]

yeah i got finals to study for

ill do it in a week if i care

[lime lantern]

ill try my hand

[south spindle]

ping me

[sly drift]

Ideal bounce is enemy in the middle of 4 highground/units?

Nutz

[lime lantern]

Does the arts DOT from current stack?

"all enemies on a tile with a current take 70% of Leizi the Thunderbringer's ATK as Arts damage every 0.6s"

Does it inflict a status or something?

and what about multiple currents

--- 3 bounce direction(s) ---
Current ticks per attack: 14
Current damage per attack: 13251.2
Total Physical (21s): 28395.4
Total Arts/Current (21s): 92758.2
Combined Total: 121153.5

@south spindle

i must be missing something

I'm not if splitbox applies here. maybe im overthinking it

[sly drift]

Let dude sleep dawg

[tired relic]

@lime lantern iirc

each current has it's own dot

[lime lantern]

true

[lime lantern]

so i wasnt overthinking it

bro

it just says if the tile the enemy is standing on has a current

[tired relic]

more current

more damage

[lime lantern]

so it doesnt really matter if theres 1 or 4 currents

so long as the tile has a current

[tired relic]

yeah

[lime lantern]

so... the current doesnt have a dot then

the tile does

[tired relic]

err

[lime lantern]

with an attack interval of 2.9s, surely you dont need 4 bounces to mantain constant current on tile right

[tired relic]

but you can stack more current

[lime lantern]

yeah but

[tired relic]

for damage

[lime lantern]

does multiple currents

like

do anything

[tired relic]

four bounces

[lime lantern]

the bounce itself does nothing

[tired relic]

the more the current is in contact with the enemy

the more is the dot

what was your original question

[lime lantern]

atleast wiki doesnt seem to imply that collisions matter

just that the tile having a current on it inflicts a dot on the target or sumn like that

[lime lantern]

ok like

this doesnt make any sense

because the condition for dot is being on a tile that has a current

why would it stack

[tired relic]

think of it as same as leizi s1

[serene hornet]

[lime lantern]

yes but leizi s1 does dmg on collision

s3 balls dont

[tired relic]

collision is just to keep the currents contained

[lime lantern]

i should just test it but im so lazy argh

[tired relic]

so the currents can bounce and do constant damage

[lime lantern]

the point of the bounces is just

to have 1 always on the enemy's tile

no?

[tired relic]

no

[lime lantern]

see ok i dont get it bcs what indicates that it stacks

[tired relic]

idk why is it necessary

[teal moon]

@lime lantern did you solve the problem?

[lime lantern]

no

first i thought it doesnt stack

now it does?

idk

[tired relic]

"all enemies on a tile with cuurent take 70% of atk as arts damage every 0.6 sec"

[lime lantern]

i need a saria

[lime lantern]

exactly

[tired relic]

yes

[teal moon]

it stacks, the whole point is that it does

[tired relic]

the current propagates

in 4 directions

[lime lantern]

ok so it does stack

bruh

[tired relic]

i said it

lol

you want all the 4 currents to be contained

[lime lantern]

so ideal scenario is just constant 4 ball dots

[teal moon]

each current is independent to each other and ticks at its own time

[tired relic]

to get max damage

[lime lantern]

ok the wording really implies its based on the tile

[tired relic]

no

well

[teal moon]

it does

the enemies must be in the tile where the current ticks

[tired relic]

the current propagates

as long as it is in contact

[lime lantern]

so the current itself ticks every 0.6s?

[tired relic]

which means on enemy tile

it will deal damage

[teal moon]

yes

in theory it should tick for a total of 6 times, in practice it's 5 times

[lime lantern]

wait

[teal moon]

so a max of 20 ticks

[lime lantern]

expires 3.1s

[tired relic]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV19Ju5zMEUo/

[lime lantern]

3.1/0.6 = 5.16

[tired relic]

use ai assistant an mtl

[lime lantern]

ok lowkey im still getting 120k total dmg best case for s3

fuck

[teal moon]

it does tick almost at the same it drops

[lime lantern]

wait no i forgot to save my file

134k

[lime lantern]

so theoretically 6

but 30 fps things

so 5

[teal moon]

as said in theory, but frame rounding

[lime lantern]

who did that other person get again for ideal leizi s3

160k?

ok yeah

[teal moon]

ideal as in "all current hits?"

[lime lantern]

ATK: 1352
Attacks over 21s: 7
Physical per hit: 4056
Arts per tick: 947
Ticks per attack: 20
Arts per hit: 18930

Total Physical: 28395
Total Arts: 132512
Combined: 160907

that's what i got

assuming 20 ideal ticks

[tired relic]

what's the dps coming out?

[teal moon]

Leizi2 dph should be like 4.4k

[lime lantern]

o wot

did i miss an atk source

atm its base 360 + trust 30 + mod 42 * (1+lib trait(200%) + talent buff (113%))

which is ~1352

[lime lantern]

idk im just doing total dmg

[tired relic]

im just cross checking

[lime lantern]

if u just divide total by 21s

[tired relic]

her peak on s3 is 9k dps

[lime lantern]

7600 dps

ok that doesnt hceck out

[lime lantern]

what was the total dmg

that would be 180k total dmg

[tired relic]

yeah

[lime lantern]

what was the final ATK

[tired relic]

a bit more

[lime lantern]

im missing 400 dph from where

[tired relic]

i forgot where i saw the calc sheet

[tired relic]

that would solve your troubles

[lime lantern]

isnt it 432 * (1+ 2 + 0.1.3)

im just using the dmg formula on akwiki

[foggy grove]

no

[lime lantern]

Atk = [FLOOR(Atkbase × Atkstage) × (1 + Atk+%)] + Atkex

[foggy grove]

1.13 is atk scale

[lime lantern]

wot

its not an additive atk buff?

how do i check that

[foggy grove]

no

[lime lantern]

[elder flume]

just use Aceship

[foggy grove]

aceship ye

[lime lantern]

idk aceship broke fo rme

[elder flume]

its almost accurate on most

[lime lantern]

uhhh

ok so yea that checks out

now how 2 map this based on distance of highground

[tired relic]

https://puppiizsunniiz.github.io/AN-EN-Tags/index.html

new fork

[lime lantern]

yea thats the one

[tired relic]

[elder flume]

all the schizo planning only for it to never come across the ideal situation just like shift calc

[lime lantern]

fucking around

ATK: 1464
Attacks over 21s: 7
Physical per hit: 4393
Arts per tick: 1025
Ticks per attack: 20
Arts per hit: 20503

Total Physical: 30754
Total Arts: 143519
Combined: 174273

[tired relic]

hmmm

[lime lantern]

still not quite getting 4.4k dph

hm

Base stats

base_atk = 360
trust_atk = 30
mod_atk = 42
total_atk = base_atk + trust_atk + mod_atk

Buffs (multiplicative)

liberator_atk_buff = 2.0 # +200%
talent_atk_buff = 0.13 # +13%
atk = total_atk * (1 + liberator_atk_buff) * (1 + talent_atk_buff)

[teal moon]

4393 ~ 4.4k

[lime lantern]

ye not quite 9k dps either

not sure if im missing smt

Doesnt seem like it tho

[teal moon]

the lightning strike

[lime lantern]

i fogor

alright makes sense ty

[teal moon]

[lime lantern]

absolute fuckery

[ornate ether]

How do I win this fight do I need to pull them or something?

[dusk quest]

Was fun using Chalter again, felt like 2022

[dusk quest]

The further Theresis is from Theresa the more damage he takes, either brute force damage or yeah pull him away, corrosion also works

[ornate ether]

So I should pull theresa?

[dusk quest]

No Theresis, Theresa is an unmovable object

[ornate ether]

Dawg trying to pull him with degen its not working💔

[dusk quest]

Oh no he heavy you either need a specialised shifter or shift relics

Degen S3 pull is minimal

[ornate ether]

Omg vro💔 I need dat gravity device collectible huh

[dusk quest]

Depends on dif, on low dif just dps him hard

Yea

I usually shutdown that shit with Nymph + Virtuosa S3

[ornate ether]

Ah i see but what do you mean by diff? Like facing soul thingy?

[dusk quest]

Yeah difficulty

At 12 dif he gets taken out just by hard dps

[ornate ether]

Gawh dam

I'll try it later then

[dusk quest]

If youre not banning Wišadel, she pretty much solos that stage with above average relics

[dusk quest]

Good luck

[smoky blaze]

Phase one pretty much just kill him when he is the furthest from theressa.
Phase two you have several options. Cheese it with shu teleport, pull it with mizuki on the shift tile, or just true dmg (mons, kals even vina)

But with d12, you can get away with just any dps + kingset ig.

Dont use virt though. She sucks balls on IS5

[narrow pendant]

Ofc degen does nothing she sucks balls
Bro has like 1k+ def and like 90% dr when hes that close🥹

[tired relic]

she can suck me-

🚬

[smoky blaze]

how?? it is too small

[tired relic]

? im not talking about pp

🚬

[smoky blaze]

who talks about your pp?

[tired relic]

wdym by too small

??

[smoky blaze]

i'll leave it out to you.

[pearl breach]

what is this?

[hidden axle]

Strategy to suck

Which sucks

[pearl breach]

[mental venture]

how do yall usually deal with this guy

[narrow pendant]

We let him atk

[mental venture]

and then he leaves?

[narrow sun]

nah you have to kill him, hes fairly squishy tho

[pearl compass]

6-7?

[mental venture]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twt-reaction-meme-funny-cut-the-cameras-oh-gif-14660544808882242526

[dapper hedge]

1. Deploy ur defender last
   Or
2. Bring *2 yato/gravel and start counting 👍 the big charged shot is every 3 attack

[tired relic]

how broken is counting

[glass monolith]

Very when you start counting 20 ingame seconds while spamming pauses, slowdowns etc on JT8-3

[halcyon adder]

Leizi does not feel better than mlynar idk

[narrow pendant]

Shes a sidegrade not an upgrade

She shouldnt feel better

[wicked minnow]

she's fem*le

that's already an upgrade

[tired relic]

what 1k less dps does to a mf

[wicked minnow]

@tired relic i tested what giving aspd to leizi2 does

oh dont mind the background music. i didnt mean to keep that in 😇

orbs seem to despawn

she spawns 4 orbs. she herself counts as a high ground tile during her skill

honestly you asked a very fair question it's just that you brought up frame rounding in something that has nothing to do with it

i think if i timed whishlash better leizi2 would've gotten 10 hits instead of 9

she normally gets 8 in

HER 10TH ATTACK SPAWNS ONLY 1 SPARK

1 SPARK ANDY HOLY

with this knowledge, yeah ifrit is probably the best buffer for leizi2 s3 over mon3tr from what i can gather

[wicked minnow]

ok

more testing

i do remember seeing gameplay of it not despawning

im not sure why it acts this way specifically but here it does overlap very clearly but tbf 16 aspd vs 100 aspd

it should be overlapping with 16 aspd tho but idk why it isnt
visual overlap at 25 aspd for like 3-4 frames

[fading solar]

Anyone got any tips for this stage? These are the ops I currently have in this run.

[wicked minnow]

there's so much that has gone wrong

[fading solar]

That doesn't explain much. It's my first time reaching this stage.

[wicked minnow]

i dont know if it's possible

[sterile delta]

dont think it is imo

[wicked minnow]

basically the boss is 2 relatively tanky units that deal some damage

normally this boss is quite easy

but the run and the drafts are not it

[fading solar]

Idk what that means haha. 😅

[wicked minnow]

you didnt borrow a good unit from the support system

you dont have wishing lamp that can enable you to get king set

you dont have any good relics

your only e2 is amiya

you lack damage but not only that you lack any blockers that can maybe stall the boss out

my recommendation is to start a new run and borrow wisadel gummy and click

[sterile delta]

i think this is impossible, they have one actual ground unit in blaze and one medic, no way they can hold both lanes

maybe if they have guardmiya but i doubt it

[wicked minnow]

yeah i doubt it as well

[sterile delta]

no flame btw this is just how IS is lol

[crisp bolt]

Especially with the lack of relics

[sterile delta]

theres a general guide to lamp of wishes and is5 pinned in #is-station , id read up on that

oh yea and dont use collection squad lol

support squad until you unlock blueprint squad

[fading solar]

Yeah I don't have her.

[fading solar]

I'll see.

[lime lantern]

any easy strat for H14-4

dont feel like doing the tragodia 2 hour solo

[sterile delta]

any dps works, arts damage preferably for phase 2

ceobe eats her

[lime lantern]

where should i place the roadblocks so i dont get my entire screen cocooned

[sterile delta]

use the roadblocks to trap the cocoons and send the enemies on one path, then focus on killing her minions before killing her

[neon cobalt]

Remind me, is it furnace?

[fading solar]

I don't know who it is tbh. I haven't started the stage yet lmaom

[lime lantern]

youre knda cooked

[sterile delta]

this is is5 yes

they're cooked

[sterile delta]

ngl its been so long i forgot

tbh you should have time as long as you dont get cocooned around her

every 35% hp lost in phase1 btw

[lime lantern]

where does she place the cocoon exactly

like at first

does she aim it at an op or something

[neon cobalt]

Been hiatus for 4 months maybe. Last time, i got that robo alchemy

[sterile delta]

the map starts with top left and bottom right iirc

for her hp gated cocoons she spawns then on any operator within the 8 tiles around her

[lime lantern]

huh weird i somehow got cocooned top right maybe i wasnt payinga ttention

[sterile delta]

odd

and no, tin man is kinda wack in is5

[lime lantern]

patriot spawns from the top right

top middle

[sterile delta]

lmao i forgot that happens

hes certainly there

if you kill her 2nd phase fast enough she just ends the stage

[lime lantern]

please tell me he doesnt do his spear attack if all the tiles arent high ground technically

[sterile delta]

he cant use the spear throw yea

bro came back disabled

[lime lantern]

and white

[neon cobalt]

If i remember corectly, this stage has 2 bosses. Girl with sword and mont3r. Am i right?

[sterile delta]

you are right

with that roster and their relics (or lack thereof) they're kinda cooked tho good luck

[neon cobalt]

Up until lv10 difficulty, i spam this team: Emergency lecture: Bassline, thorns, spectre, bluepoison, rockrock, whisperain, tinman (7)

I ran 5 stars starting bonus

No need for godlike relic

[lime lantern]

why is wis'adel cocooned

[sterile delta]

cocoons transfer when you hit the operator that got cocooned

[lime lantern]

what

oh

so i just shouldnt ever free my ops then and simply never get hit

[sterile delta]

yea dodge the hp gated cocoon attack

it makes things a lot easier

[lime lantern]

exceedingly annoying stage

sort of have to put someone near her no?

to tank the balls

[sterile delta]

yea you have a blocker to tank the balls

when she raises her hand to do the attack

you retreat them

[lime lantern]

yeah but then if my dps attacks the blockekr theyre cooked

[lime lantern]

ah alr

[sterile delta]

she only cocoons if theres someone there, otherwise it just gets wasted

[lime lantern]

noted

maybe like wis summons are good for this

[sterile delta]

does it twice, at 35% and 70% hp lost

yea i think i used wis summons to tank it but anyone works tbh

she doesnt do the cocoon anymore in phase 2 but starts spreading the ones that spawned at the beginning so just put down a blocker and nuke her before that happens

[fringe solstice]

yeah, you can cancel this skill by retreating

[lime lantern]

good to know

my dumbass forgot that lemuen s3 has splash

[lime lantern]

i genuinely cannot see the cocoon animation

[foggy grove]

this

[lime lantern]

i jus t saw her like

open her eyes and

not really raise her hand

in p1

[scarlet fulcrum]

whatever u interpret it, she will only make animation when doing cocoon. when u saw it as opening eyes then sure, its very clear to eyes anyway

[limpid ore]

you can also use shadow revenant she summons to 'block' the cocoon

[scarlet fulcrum]

U meant orbs

[limpid ore]

yah

could also add mon3tr to throw her summon at it

logos s1 can solo top right, add any medic if he is dying

[hollow turtle]

🙏

afk possible? if so help, rn im locking in on my assignments

this is the lungmen annihilation thingy

eventually healer near logos, and lin next ptilo to tank, this should be good aight?

tada

did it ✨

[violet sorrel]

[scarlet fulcrum]

afk

Ely
Activated device (s)

Anyway it's possible for full afk

[hollow turtle]

is this afk'able 0-o

[scarlet fulcrum]

Very2 possible

[hollow turtle]

ah bet

also that was a fucking fast response

[scarlet fulcrum]

Well its ur definition of afk

[lime lantern]

im working on a realtime simulation

should be able to figure out total damage given any tile configuration hopefully

[tired relic]

oh that's interesting

[tired relic]

https://tenor.com/view/tsukasa-anime-tired-gif-24537414

i jusr woke up

[lime lantern]

smile

[lime lantern]

with 1 less high ground tile it's ~120k total dmg

[tired relic]

oh yes cuz i mixed up both things

[lime lantern]

seems like even just a one tile gap between wall and enemy is very detrimental though

[tired relic]

youre still doing it

https://fixupx.com/Nepnepping/status/1993897340932133024.gif

[lime lantern]

more like i already did it now i can just fuck around

[tired relic]

dps looking fine now

9kish with four orbs

i cant type

[lime lantern]

ah wait its running at 60fps

let me do 30fps with frame rounding

[wicked minnow]

what even is this

[lime lantern]

what kinda map has that though

[wicked minnow]

btw

[lime lantern]

real time balls simulation

[wicked minnow]

balls arent balls

they are like points

[lime lantern]

figuring out total damage of leizi s3 for any given tile configuration

[wicked minnow]

and deal damage based on the tile they are on

[odd forge]

I've been summon!!!! Frostleaf simp here!

[lime lantern]

yes

[wicked minnow]

oh just making sure you knew

[tired relic]

who is this creature

who summoned them

[wicked minnow]

you can also probably do this mathematically

[lime lantern]

my understanding is that they just tick every 0.6s

[tired relic]

i though they had a radius?

[wicked minnow]

ye

they dont have a radius no

[tired relic]

cuz hear in some video

[lime lantern]

wouldnt you have to make a diff equation for every tile config then

[wicked minnow]

there's probably a way

like 1 mathematical equation

[lime lantern]

idk i found it easier this way

[tired relic]

that they have like this property to deal more damage while travelling the more the sphere is in contact

[wicked minnow]

fair enough

[lime lantern]

see what the hell

[tired relic]

yeah

[lime lantern]

[tired relic]

but idk

[lime lantern]

any exact numbers

[wicked minnow]

AK doesnt do stuff like this

at best it's just multiple circles that determine damage

[tired relic]

idk the math lying underneath

[lime lantern]

ok so i was told im overthinking

but if the current is between 2 tiles

which tile gets affected by the 0.6s tick

[wicked minnow]

fiametta and lemuen have multiple circles that determine damage

most other units it's just a circle

[tired relic]

the only tile that is between?

[wicked minnow]

is it ever between 2 tiles?

[tired relic]

leizi and between 2 tiles right?

[lime lantern]

i mean if it travels at a rate of 1 tile/s and ticks every 0.6s it should be plausible right

[wicked minnow]

just opened a calc and checked quickly. probably not no

[tired relic]

ill sleep a bit more and think about it after i wake up

[lime lantern]

so basically the 180k scenario will never happen asides from DBS

[wicked minnow]

0.6 seconds per tick moving at 1 tile per second should tick every 0.6 tiles

[lime lantern]

and maybe Nasti shenanigans

[lime lantern]

what about bounces

[lime lantern]

feel like 2 hg/corner tiles is the most anyone can ask for generally , which is 124k total dmg

[wicked minnow]

it spawns at the center of a tile so 0.5 as start.
0.5 1.1 1.7 2.3 2.9 3.5 4.1 4.7 5.3 5.9 and 6.5

back to the center of a tile

[lime lantern]

i see

alright fair enough

[wicked minnow]

i think it shouldnt ever have to decide between tiles

also

we currently have certain things that push enemies between tiles

they decide by what i have heard be described as floating point error

[lime lantern]

im just gonna assume its never ticking 2 tiles or having ot pick

well worst case its not that bad i guess? 😭

probably means that in a vacuum s3 is just never better than s2

second best scenario its still worse