strategy

[scarlet mortar]

retired

[acoustic slate]

Yes their stats are better

But if the overall kit design is less useful or effective then it might not be worth it to build them, especially since it’s more expensive

[scarlet mortar]

🫡

[pure orchid]

Oh, sadge

[steel prairie]

ok ty

[pure orchid]

Well said
Its difficult and perhaps overwhelming at first but the best way to know which units are good to built is simply reading every detail of their kit

[steel prairie]

well really when I tried on my own without support... my main issue is his radiation... my healers cant heal fast enough and he practically kills my whole squad just with his radiation in P2

[scarlet mortar]

watch the vid

[acoustic slate]

This is why I said vendela mulberry honeyberry breeze etc etc, are all very bad . Yes their stats would be a bit higher than their 4 star counterpart

Issue is that their kits are so shitty that you would be a fool to bother with them at all

[scarlet mortar]

positioning wins

there's the cost of building to account for, whereby higher rarity ops have a higher ceiling but also cost more to reach that point

[somber falcon]

Expecting e0/1 medics to counter heal a midgame boss

[acoustic slate]

Yeah I’m kinda scared to see this guys team, idk what he’s been raising 💀 and base too

[scarlet mortar]

generally lower rarity ops win out bc their multipliers are better early on

[somber falcon]

Just search his images

[scarlet mortar]

also the 3*s have unnaturally high stats

[acoustic slate]

I know but I just said I’m scared

[scarlet mortar]

kroos and midnight being prime examples

[acoustic slate]

Quaking in my mf boots

[somber falcon]

Idt he even properly built 3*s

[sly drift]

Ops like Vendela can increase taunt it's very useful in certain situation

[steel prairie]

I thought you already seen my team before ???

[acoustic slate]

Yeah a few days ago. If you are several chapters ahead then I would expect it to be different

[somber falcon]

Clueless

[scarlet mortar]

"certain situations" mostly called fucking around

[steel prairie]

my biggest question for the video is
A: who is the medic on the top left
B: why didnt Pat went for the medic ??? (because he aims for my medic first... I know he has pority target but still I place the medics first...)

Oh also at the 5 min mark

[acoustic slate]

Skull emoji

[scarlet mortar]

the spear throw, and only the spear throw, targets the op furthest away from him

[steel prairie]

oh furthest

[pure orchid]

I feel like

[scarlet mortar]

top left is hibiscus

[steel prairie]

then I guess Silence got unlucky then ???

[scarlet mortar]

er no

[pure orchid]

Thats what a lot of people have been saying to you for the past couple of days

No lol, its not a luck issue

Its you putting silence farthest

[scarlet mortar]

if you control where pat is standing, you can guarantee who's the furthest away from pat

[steel prairie]

I put it in the same place as hibicus is in the video

[scarlet mortar]

it's not like he'll fly halfway across the map

[somber falcon]

Bro has selective info retainment issue

[pure orchid]

If you want to keep silence alive, you have to place a ranged op farther than how far silence is to pat

[acoustic slate]

Wait has he been on patriot for days 🥹

[pure orchid]

Maybe

Tbf i was like that too until i whipped out my e2 amiya on the bozo

[steel prairie]

also who is that mage thats so close to Pat ??? at 4:17 ??? and how is the healer keeping up with the radiation ??? even my Silence with healing drones couldnt keep up

[scarlet mortar]

ansel onskill

the aura doesn't do that much damage if not stacked with his attacks

[acoustic slate]

What level is your silence, and skill level

[steel prairie]

wait Ansel can reach that far down ???

[pure orchid]

I feel like silence not being able to keep up with measly radiation is impossible with decent investment

[scarlet mortar]

his skill extends range so yes

[pure orchid]

Yes you can read that in his skill description

[steel prairie]

does the range graph not account for the skill ? (which increases by 1 tile ?)

[round hinge]

what is her passive do the bullet did not go down at all

[steel prairie]

like is the range graph already included the skill which increases 1 tile ???

for ansel

or no ???

[acoustic slate]

It’s different when you click on him and his skill is activated, but the skill says it

[somber falcon]

Range image is for default range

[scarlet mortar]

ansel's the furthest away

[pure orchid]

Range shown only changes onskill

Default range will show offskill

[steel prairie]

ok

[steel prairie]

also by that I mean on the Ops page

but I get it

[pure orchid]

yes i know

[acoustic slate]

No, but that’s where you read the skill

Can also check wiki

[steel prairie]

ik but it would be better if its shown already

[pure orchid]

honestly your terminology was strange but wtvr

[acoustic slate]

The wiki will have diagrams, you could also just burn a practice plan real quick

[steel prairie]

this aint my only game... so my terminology gets mixed in with other games... like I still call the slugs "slimes" because I thought thats default by all games

[pure orchid]

exhibit A, thorns s3

[steel prairie]

also this is my Silence so far (she is on team as well)

[pure orchid]

default range in yellow will show offskill, s3 range in red will show onskill

[steel prairie]

ik that... been using the range change with my chen

[weary grotto]

Why do we need four 6 star class pot tokens instead of a single one

[pure orchid]

ask hg

its an arbitrary game design choice that has no bearing or reasoning other than their whims

[acoustic slate]

Looks good, just add food 4 star healer like perfumer, Sussurro, or purestream.

Maybe upcoming free medic rose salt would be good for you

[steel prairie]

oh free medic

[steel prairie]

here is my team (currently)

also on the Pat Chen and Blaze were ommitted

in fact a lot of characters on here were omitted during the Pat fight

[elder flume]

Big number scary
Small number viable

[acoustic slate]

The greythroat, fang, and mulberry are pretty tragic but could be worse 🚬

[steel prairie]

I honestly prefer Fang over Texas on some scenerios... Texas DP regen is just too slow

[acoustic slate]

Well they’re both pretty bad. You don’t bring charger for DP though lol

[steel prairie]

Mullberry I used her for range mainly (since Silence couldnt reach some areas).. and GreyThroat is only there because I got caught lacking on drones (shes not on there permanant its just a coincidence)

[steel prairie]

Fang did help me clear that XP LS-5 tho

[elder flume]

Youve learned of stage dependency

Im proud

[scarlet mortar]

greythroat in the big 25

it's cooked

[acoustic slate]

Yeah that stage is VG check

[steel prairie]

Big 25 ???

[weary grotto]

Do you believe the 4 star angent vanguard will become the best dp printer for the fact that it deals no damage and can spam for longer?

[acoustic slate]

2025

[scarlet mortar]

2025

[steel prairie]

who are in the big 25 ???

oh

[weary grotto]

Walter

[elder flume]

4star agent will have ammo issues

[steel prairie]

ammo ???

thought thats unlimited ?

[acoustic slate]

Some skills have ammo instead of duration. Aka expires after certain number of attacks

[elder flume]

Oh dw this is completely irrelevant and hypothetical

[weary grotto]

Chucklenuts was considered very good

[elder flume]

I assume infinite duration is no longer 50 hours?

[steel prairie]

does that Ops toss flashbangs I wonder ??? (if you get it)

[steel prairie]

btw judging on that Pic I sent who should I first E2 ???

[weary grotto]

Think fast chucklenuts

[steel prairie]

eyyyyyyyyyyyy

[acoustic slate]

Uhhhhh I guess Lin. Not many good options

[somber falcon]

just e2 your 6*s
you're not exactly spoiled with choices there

[acoustic slate]

Wait he has vulpisfoglia why is he using fang

[somber falcon]

because she "felt weak" iirc

[acoustic slate]

Damn

[somber falcon]

methinks it's because it's e1 55 vs e0 50 but idk

[steel prairie]

also on that XP LS-5 was a DP check and she couldnt make on time

[acoustic slate]

Okay well did you beat it

[steel prairie]

how do you stop those swarms of suicidal popcorn carts ???

right side is fine but those on the left

[elder flume]

Firework activate = ops never die = tank infinite car

[steel prairie]

LOL wait really just put a brave soul in there ???

bruh this game is really telling me to let intrusive thoughts win

[acoustic slate]

Attack + slow from range until carnival starts then yeah, someone can just tank

[steel prairie]

bruh this game really is just about letting intrusive thoughts win and using suicidal tactics

[elder flume]

Never die

Logos S1 technically can kill them all but that needs level

[sly drift]

Put Lutonada and dip

She can solo the toys even without carnivale

[maiden hound]

something something needs module

[elder flume]

Normal shes fine

CM she would want

[sly drift]

Module *4 is Cheap af

[fair estuary]

What is that thing?

I just realized it's strategy not help

[maiden hound]

what "thing"

[fair estuary]

Nvm I just realized that's the crab

[elder flume]

A cosmos of crabs

[steel prairie]

I got it

[elder flume]

Congrats

[steel prairie]

is Texas module worth it or nah ???

[elder flume]

Vanguard not really

I use it because i want faster dp

Just a mod1 for me

[steel prairie]

ic

was wondering because I have so much data module just sitting there in depot and was wondering wth I even use them for ???

[elder flume]

It will drain quick when you get everyone E2

[steel prairie]

also how is Lin S2 ???

or I should just stick to S1 ???

[elder flume]

S2 is okay when you have allies near her

Would S3 but thats quite a bit away

[azure roost]

how progress myon

[steel prairie]

wait wtf I do here ?? do I just let the fireworks get trampled ???

[elder flume]

Most cases i just keep her off skill if not S3 so she tanks damage

[steel prairie]

blitzed thro PV-EX-1 thro 3 with ez

now on 4

the Wis brainrot is real

[prisma swift]

they also shoot a thing that puts out the fire try to block it with a cheap 3 block

[azure roost]

nice

try less usage of wis

to decrease brainrot

[prisma swift]

if theres someone in range

[elder flume]

Prioritize killing popcorn

[steel prairie]

uhhh imma build my squad first then I will decrease the brainrot

[azure roost]

@elder flume

done m9 cs

next m9 lapipi

[elder flume]

Nice

I dont have mats to raise CS yet

[azure roost]

my alt mats dying

jsut from m9 cs

since prev shit i did

[steel prairie]

btw is there any defender thats like blast proof ??? (like a defender in a IED suit or smth ?)

[azure roost]

m9 logos

m6 dusk

m6 iana

[elder flume]

Is Saria blast proof

[azure roost]

[maiden hound]

roberta

[steel prairie]

ROberta is popcorn proof ???

[elder flume]

Oh wait Mud

[steel prairie]

Mudrock ???

[maiden hound]

1 (one) layer of shield

[elder flume]

She looks blast proof enough

[azure roost]

silence 2

🏃

[elder flume]

Unless Blender is more proofing

[steel prairie]

I can ignore the furnitures for now right ???

[elder flume]

Ye just focus on making your ops better

[south spindle]

Definitely try to get them by the end if you care about getting extra orundum when this reruns in a year

[willow sun]

red line is ulpianus s3 anchor dph
blue line is lemuen s2 dph

[solid dragon]

heyy, im still kinda new but this is my current squad rn, can i replace myrtle for vulpi? or is this good

[willow sun]

lemuen literally just launches 7 ulpianus anchors on s2 :icant:

[willow sun]

vulpi is myrtle with better dp gen and can actually deal damage, so yes

[solid dragon]

when delpoying vulpi do i just put her at the end? like where the enemy is trying to go

[willow sun]

you can treat her like a laneholder in the early stages tbh, like where you'd put lappland

[analog crane]

try putting a fast deploy op or defense to block the trucks from extinguish the fire. I have video guide here the link https://youtu.be/ibQ0AzWrYGM

[royal geode]

Is Vulpisfoglia good? I just got her just now

[azure roost]

focus materials

prio raising unit

[elder flume]

shes okay

nothing much about her

I might be 2 dp short

[worn coral]

Is there a pv-ex-8 low rarity guide? Normal mode

I die after second phase

[elder flume]

like this ?
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV12iU9YZEZd/

[worn coral]

Like one with a borrowed unit or smth I haven't really leveled all my 4 stars yet and the cm guide doesn't work for the normal as the stats are different and some enemies are different also

[somber falcon]

who do you have?

[worn coral]

If referring to a 6 star i got a lvl 60 mod 2 s3m3 logos

[somber falcon]

everyone you have raised

[worn coral]

Haven't really lvled a lot since kinda new

Oh wait

Others are either e0 and e1 lvl 1 (base units)

[elder flume]

theres Ling solo for normal
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ncDzYVEfw/

Humus pog

as long as you can burst when Carnevale finishes youre golden

[worn coral]

Oh dam. This is a life saver

[somber falcon]

of course there's one kekw

blue woman momen

[worn coral]

Does this need a max pot ling? I suppose I don't have a friend with a max pot one

[somber falcon]

pot almost never matters

[worn coral]

I see, I'll try this

[somber falcon]

good luck

[elder flume]

bring the rest of your squad incase anything goes wrong

[terse sierra]

potential for ling only affects ling, not her dragons, meaning that at most it's -2dp on deploy

[worn coral]

Something's off abt this vid. The vid was cut it shows lap at full health then the next second she's abt to die

[somber falcon]

✨ video editing ✨

[elder flume]

CN vids like to cut repetitive sections yea

so many asked about insta deploy + skill because of it

[full terrace]

I'll make a low-end EX-8 if too many people struggle with it

[pure orchid]

Im not struggling with it

[worn coral]

Yeah I've somehow got the hang of it, it sure is repetitive though

[somber falcon]

you can expedite it a bit with logos

[elder flume]

Tuba guy is quite fast

[elder flume]

PV EX 4

[pure orchid]

Someone say virtuosa

Quick !!!!

[elder flume]

Learned a few things

Eureka isnt a robot

Hit

[faint loom]

is sussurro a good healer? I'm currently using silence and perfumer as a healer

[elder flume]

ye shes amazing at her rarity

ive been running her at E1 and still doing fine

[faint loom]

then which one i should swap her with between the current healer i'm using?

i'm still at early game content so switching is not a problem for now

[elder flume]

short maps is her specialty since her S2 can only be used twice

you can keep the ones youve already raised until you feel you wana switch tbh

raising dps is better when your supports are sufficient

[faint loom]

perfumer zone kinda weird compared to silence, sometimes i missed her healing range

[elder flume]

multitarget do be like that

[somber falcon]

Just take an extra second or two when deploying to double check

[elder flume]

damn ive been doing EX5 for 2 hours

[faint loom]

i kept forgot to do that

[elder flume]

optimizing Sora out makes this prone to leak

[faint loom]

thanks guys for the help

[wicked minnow]

[elder flume]

Swalter Weedy Kafka Texas should be possible 4p

[frosty stirrup]

what do i do against these

[elder flume]

nothing much other than tanking

someone with high def

or if your dps can kill before be killed then thats an option too

[frosty stirrup]

all of my defenders dont last more then 5 sec🥲

[elder flume]

E1 ?

[frosty stirrup]

yes

[elder flume]

healers also E1 ?

[frosty stirrup]

yes but they spawn so fast i dont zhave time to put down a healer and there are 2 of them

[elder flume]

eh dont you have SA

[frosty stirrup]

?

[elder flume]

his S2 should survive as long as Sarkaz doesnt step on Originium

[frosty stirrup]

????

[elder flume]

unless im misremembering something

[frosty stirrup]

can u send a pic of who ur talking about

[frosty stirrup]

ah yes i have him

[elder flume]

ig i should ask what your deployments on the map is like

[frosty stirrup]

and what is s2

[elder flume]

skill 2

[frosty stirrup]

ah

wait let me try again

[elder flume]

take a pic of what you did in the map with practice run

makes finding problems easier

[frosty stirrup]

ok

[rich plover]

Tips on PV EX 8?

Non-CM run

[elder flume]

.

[rich plover]

Is Mountain enough on the right side?

[frosty stirrup]

https://medal.tv/games/google-play-games/clips/kdb3WAQ5EfZV1B156?invite=cr-MSxHN0EsNjI5NjcyODE

[elder flume]

against Tuba men prob not

do tell if it works tho

oh 4-4

supposed to use

they make this stage a lot easier

[frosty stirrup]

but how?

[pure orchid]

in such a way that the roadblocks force the enemies to go through the red originium tiles

so that they [REDACTED] themselves

[frosty stirrup]

ah

[elder flume]

put them from left to right

[pure orchid]

oh we're spoonfeeding?

[elder flume]

shoutout to

[pure orchid]

I thought the fun would be from deriving it yourself

[elder flume]

i did spoiler tag it if they want to figure it themselves

to me if you come here that means youre willing to do anything to win

[frosty stirrup]

yup

[pure orchid]

i am willing to use Wis'adel.

I just noticed you're using the rage video version

[full terrace]

Was doing DH anni on my alt. Leaked at 401/403 coz I looked away for a second

The pain

[pure orchid]

Awww

Okay try again but this time don't look away

Hope this helps ❤️

[full terrace]

I didnt bring any block 3 for the cars so it's kinda my fault

Forgot to activate Ulpi skill and bam

[pure orchid]

Okay you are kinda asking for it with that lol

[full terrace]

Leaked

[pure orchid]

I remember err

Cuora gummy saria blaze

And then angelina to clean

Poverty, but good times

[full terrace]

Nah I kill them with Wis and co

Aint no need blockers

But gotta be active pressing those skills

[pure orchid]

Hows that working out for u mr. 401/403 🚬

Hey im kidding come back

Or are you retrying and not looking away this time

[rich plover]

How do I deal with the fire tubas on the right of PV EX 8?

[pure orchid]

Erm

kill them idk

whats your roster lookin like

[pure orchid]

Mountain should be quite swag

Outheal their burn thing

At least thats what my ulpi does

[rich plover]

K, bringing out Chestnut

[full terrace]

Yah retrying, brought Saria just in case this time

[pure orchid]

Wait no stop

Do not chestnut

[full terrace]

Read this #strategy message

Watch this for reference #strategy message

[pure orchid]

Oh arf

There's a ling solo but it takes ages

[full terrace]

I aint doing no Ling solo

[pure orchid]

Me neither lol

I graduated from that shit

[full terrace]

I just want them free OPs

[rich plover]

Is Laptop considered an AoE DPS?

[pure orchid]

Uh, kind of? Not the best but she technically is

[rich plover]

Cuz rn, I don't think I have any other good single target DPS other than Narantuya

[full terrace]

Borrow Wisadel then, what else

[rich plover]

True

[full terrace]

It's EX stage, you dont auto

Just grab the free Originite Prime 🤣

[rich plover]

"Just use Wisadel"

Top or bottom?

[pure orchid]

Arf used her top to cover both lapp and the mobs

[rich plover]

Sounds about right for her

[pure orchid]

You should watch the video honestly, its got some good concept

[elder flume]

i give up trying to Eureka Mag this

just gona Chiave Texas Sora

[full terrace]

Freakin car almost leak again

How did I miss the same thing twice

[elder flume]

Oh my

i found my path

3op

[pure orchid]

why errone boutta die

[elder flume]

they got roasted

[pure orchid]

🔥

[full terrace]

Kafka technology waow

Now do the CM that starts with a car on the left

[elder flume]

car is pretty easy to kill

ive been malding Eureka + cannon for an hour lmao

doesnt kill if not frame perfect stun

i can prob make car a 3op

[full terrace]

You push everything down the hole anyway, I just wanna see you manage Weedy timing for that 🤣

Yo Rain @elder flume

Have you ever played Icebreaker Games before?

[elder flume]

nop

2op but Weedy has too much atk

[full terrace]

Feels like you are gonna be good at soccer

[elder flume]

i have almost all the necessary ops for 35+

[full terrace]

Scoring 35+?

[elder flume]

missing degen but my p2 can bring her

ye

degen NTR Blemi

[full terrace]

Can I reserve you for that shiny record later

[elder flume]

wont we have to practice each scenario kekw

whos on whos duty

also is the velocity based on damage

maxing my Skadi will take a lot if thats the case

[full terrace]

Not sure but I think there is an amount of damage required for the ball to move

Or number of hits? Idk

It's shift power and the direction you hit the ball mainly

When I met shifter users, I went with full assist play 🤣

Like clearing obstacle, destroying etc enemies and put them to sleep

Etc etc

[elder flume]

i have maxed SA and Chetto to break and thats it ig

[civic bear]

frds are slightly better

can cycle every once in a while

tho theyre slower cuz its frd so lots of inputs

[fading hedge]

Excuse me what

Mind elaborating

[elder flume]

nothing much

The sun

[full terrace]

THE SUUUNNNNN

Rising from the west

[elder flume]

i have Texalt Waaifu Red Wildmane for frd

PV EX 5

missing Phantom still damn

i can hole them with 3 op

[full terrace]

I still have this lol

Mentored 100 people back then, it was fun

[full terrace]

😂

Good one

[elder flume]

Huh got hit by -2

oh Mostima also slows fuse

thats kina bad

[full terrace]

Yah that fuse, for some reason

Can be attacked 😂

Idk how that works but

When Lappland enters Phase 2

She uses her wolf skill

To hit the fuse

[elder flume]

Need mod3

[full terrace]

Thats why it's super fast

[full terrace]

Does Rosa work?

Mostima hits everything right, you only want to stop a small number of enemies?

[elder flume]

wat Rosa do

actually my Mostima prob bad placement

gona go up 1

[full terrace]

Bind 4 enemies for her whole skill duration

Heaviest*

Within her range*

[elder flume]

but theyre invis

[full terrace]

Mostima can hit invis?

[elder flume]

ye

well not hit per se

her slow is global

so invis gets hit

[full terrace]

Pretty neat, I never thought of using her that way

[elder flume]

ok mod2 works

i just need to delay Mostima deploy

[lilac steppe]

Hey All. I've done 2 annihilations, chernobog and lungmen (following YT vid). Which one i should do next? The order of difficulties feels confusing

I dont even get it why there is current mission, and permanent mission.. does it means the current mission will dissapear?

[rigid sundial]

Can I get team building help? I got a lot of units and idk what to do with them really.

I need a:
general team for most stages
Cc stage team where every oprtr is op
And an overall best team

Some units here are underleveled like skalter but i can level her up immediately if need be

[full terrace]

Yah I replied to you, here is the link for your answer #strategy message click on it

[rigid sundial]

Yep i saw late lol anyway thanks a lot

[full terrace]

Then read the conversation that follows

Like roll down a bit

[rigid sundial]

Yepp

I just dk what to do with my units cuz i have multiple that covers the same role

And i just wanted to know which ones the best for each role

[elder flume]

you want Icebound and downtown done to raise your weekly cap
as long as you dont do ashy marsh should be good

[lilac steppe]

Oooooo.. didnt know the weekly cap can increase... okay, thx!

[full terrace]

This is my take on this:
1 Primary Physical dps: Mlynar
1 Secondary Physical dps: Typhon
1 Primary Arts dps: Logos
1 Secondary Arts dps: Qiubai
1 DP Generator: Ines
1 Laneholder/Crowd Control: Ulpianus/Ascalon
1 High Ground Healer: Lumen/Ptilopsis
1 Ground Healer: Saria
1 Fast Redeploy: Yato
1 Utility/Debuffer/Buffer: Virtuosa/Reed

Then the 2 Stage-specifics slots can be anything the stage demands
For example in a dog rush stage with heavy early waves, bring more Vanguards

[elder flume]

PV EX 5 CM

[maiden hound]

such as vigil surely

[rigid sundial]

Alright ill try that out thanks!

[full terrace]

Hahahaha nice one

I like that

[elder flume]

i just have PV7 EX7 EX8 left to spend countless hours on hmm

[fleet fable]

has anyone done a different strat on pv-ex-1 that isn't logos

[elder flume]

This?

[somber falcon]

lutonada

[pure orchid]

ascalon

aint creative but its smth

[leaden sierra]

wtf am I looking at. So many summons :0. Does this work on CM? Probably not cause carnival too short.

[elder flume]

doubt it

would require firework to never be attacked

which with my strat requires enemies to hit Liskarm and die to Saga close to it

[leaden sierra]

I'ma try to delay it a little. Maybe if we find an operator can damage the wire

[elder flume]

Mostima S3

[leaden sierra]

Now we're cooking

[elder flume]

Logos theoretically should also work on it

crab breeding is rng tho

the first crab will crab 4 ways

but the second crab will only go 1 way

and that 1 way can come back to mother resulting in no birth

definitely didnt spend 5 hours getting the right rng

[pure orchid]

It was worth it tho

Its glorious

[leaden sierra]

Having that as an auto sure is something. Consistent breeding rng simulator

[elder flume]

you also only have 7s to kill the child

or else they burrow

[inner flame]

Hello, what skill should I M3 on wanqing?

[somber falcon]

S1 ig
S2 has some other utilities if you need it

Don't think it's likely though

[elder flume]

S1 from me

S2 i would use Ely or Myrtle

[somber falcon]

His s2 also heals? Huh.

[elder flume]

Heal and aspd ye

[somber falcon]

[noble spire]

What is the best squad to take in IS 5

[hallow ether]

Wtf is this cursed map and how do you pass it

I never got stuck in any event stages from day 1 and this got me baffled

even tried using both Shu + Night to tank the carts but cant

and this is just stage 1

[elder flume]

Normal or cm

[hallow ether]

CM

am I dumb or is there any mechanics

[elder flume]

Borrow Luto mod1 or Logos S1M3 ig

[hallow ether]

since you cant even maintain the Carnivale

[leaden sierra]

If you're playing low diff, walter gummy, click is most consistent. Between around D6-D14 walter, tin man, beanstalk for more toil. At D15 you can do the walter, gummy, click start again with initial hope if you're going for an ending, otherwise can sub Walter for grey alt/Kroos (assuming you're playing with lamp).

[hallow ether]

any other ways to pass

[runic parcel]

any must have ops if I want to get ending 4 for IS5

[hallow ether]

since locking a stage behind 2 ops is kinda ehhh

[noble spire]

Alright thanks alot

[full terrace]

Blueprint Squad

[elder flume]

Gona need a lot of bodies then

Or someone that can kill 5 carts fast

[hallow ether]

the thing is

Carnivale ends = u need 5 defenders on the right side

[full terrace]

S1

[hallow ether]

so basically I can only deploy 2 units to defend for the carts

or am I missing something

[somber falcon]

You don't need that many

[full terrace]

Use Reaper Guard, they hit 3 tiles in front of them, Defender to the top and bottom of that Reaper Guard

[elder flume]

Does your borrow need to be for right side tho

Borrowing for left side is easier

Logos Ascalon Luto

Does Estelle work like Luto

[somber falcon]

Well even if you do use 5 ops on right
As you said, 2 more slots
Only need one for the borrow

[hallow ether]

basically out of deployment slots tho

[somber falcon]

Sorta
No need to block but idt the heal is as high

[hallow ether]

Lapp can get out tho

maybe I can squeeze in another healer on the left side to cope

[somber falcon]

The point of those 3 ops mentioned is they solo the entire side

And just spawn camp the right instead hugging blue box

[elder flume]

Make a straight vertical wall

With Blaze on top face down

[hallow ether]

never in my life have I seen such bullsht map

[elder flume]

Thorns on bottom face up

[elder flume]

Uh move the wall except Blaze left 1 so Blaze can hit

[hallow ether]

oh wait I actually did see one, where Surtr and Ifrit had to fight 2 goddamn robots for 30 mins

[hallow ether]

left or right

[elder flume]

For right side

[hallow ether]

I mean its the same even if u make a straight wall

still need 5 man

since they are all invi

[elder flume]

Thats fine

The rest can go left

[hallow ether]

same thing no?

still 5 man on the right I mean

and 3 man on the left

like what in the picture

[elder flume]

Ye just makes defending right easier

[hallow ether]

right has no problem per se with 5 defenders

well maybe I do need to find someone with S1m3 Logos

[somber falcon]

They all go straight line to blue box
Only goes bottom if carnival

[hallow ether]

cant believe 5 years playing this and I met a stage that's hero gated, not to mention its a freaking stage 1

[elder flume]

1 is the most interesting of the bunch yea

[hallow ether]

exactly thats why Im asking kek

[smoky halo]

luto can solo left 🤫

[hallow ether]

well I did say this

[smoky halo]

actually doesnt shu s1 solo

its not hero gated when a 4 star can solo left side

[hallow ether]

question is do people actually build a niche 4 star

[smoky halo]

i do

but also doesnt shu s1 just tank

[hallow ether]

havent tried that but will

tho I doubt she can recover SP fast enough to heal

[somber falcon]

She might actually work too

[elder flume]

I lost my Estelle friend cuz i retired so

Test it

[hallow ether]

nvm I just borrowed a random Logos and be done with it

hope any peeps who designs this map have insomnia

[elder flume]

I do
Jaye Luto Contrail Bean Cuora Matterhorn Mousse Conviction Vigna covers quite a bit

[smoky halo]

conviction is broken

35% exp fac

[somber falcon]

Welp
She ded

[elder flume]

Sadge

[somber falcon]

Not enough hp i think

[hallow ether]

I raised Vigna cuz I like her
Jessicat cuz of her VA
Deepcolor cuz IS3 slave
and Myrtle, cuz Myrtle

but yeah thats how far niche 4* takes me

Oh yeah Jaye too, IS slave

[smoky halo]

u can prolly cycle gravel + jaye

maybe

[hallow ether]

Maybe u can Reed them

idk I dont want to break my phone

[smoky halo]

reed doesnt do anything offskill

which is a real problem

[full terrace]

It's not a hero gate, sure stage design is horrible but it's not a hero gate

And the deployment limit is really pushing it, but I think it's only fair for an EX stage

[hallow ether]

not really for a stage 1 tho no

CM 8 then perhaps, I dont complain

[full terrace]

I think it's fair for EX and S stages, it's not like high diff IS5 didnt shove that Congestion Epoch on you from time to time

Yo Rain @elder flume have you ever record an Izumik Weedy push before?

Could you link me to your youtube channel again

[elder flume]

No i dont really play IS that much

[full terrace]

Ah okay

[elder flume]

Getting the rng takes too much time for me

[full terrace]

I just remember d18 IS3 is coming soon

[elder flume]

Should be normal and easier with current IS mods

[full terrace]

If you have reference for Weedy push on that stage I'd love to watch

[elder flume]

During release pushing Izumik was a bit of a gamble

[full terrace]

Yah exactly

Last time I did it, didnt go well

😂😂

The thing about IS is that, once you misplay a bit, you cant really replay the stage unless you start again from the beginning

So I really need to watch for visual reference

For the timing

[elder flume]

Prob tomorrow

Im not gona open laptop tonight

[full terrace]

👍

It's a nighttime over there? 😂

[elder flume]

12 am

[full terrace]

Ah

[hallow ether]

either that or luck is not on your side

like getting no Vanguard tix and get hit by lv2 barro debuff

Or doing BN15 realizing you have no magic dmg unit

ok maybe 1.5 magic dmg unit

[full terrace]

Nah thats not what I meant. What I was trying to say is that shifting ≠ killing stuff. Things must be set up properly for the method to work as intended, not that I need luck for Vanguard tickets or baro debuff.

[hallow ether]

[full terrace]

I just starved Mizuki for the longest time but I really wanna try that gimmicky Weedy push method

With d18 coming and all

[elder flume]

https://youtu.be/V-5z861NFxE?si=mqJy_0awRinvX3EF

[smoky halo]

double push weedy?

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ws4y1q7D5

[elder flume]

This is decent

Ye that bili covers it

[smoky halo]

vaporvenus gives diff strats

my goat

u need weedy modX3 + ptlop mod3 to double push

double push mostly irrelevant now anyway cos ange modA lets u single push

so u just push when skill up

[full terrace]

Right there is Ange now

[smoky halo]

the important thing for double push is to fast feed

[full terrace]

What is the timing to retreat Weedy to keep the push velocity there

When her summon's attack makes contact with Izumik?

[smoky halo]

when the canon shot touches izumik

retreat weedy

[full terrace]

Yah thats what I thought

[civic bear]

you want both push source to hit same time

[full terrace]

I wonder why I failed that last time I did

[smoky halo]

ye u need to do that

how did u fail anyway

[civic bear]

if you have cannon behind weedy you can just retreat anytime before the projectile hits too tho hitscan good

[full terrace]

I dont remember exactly, it was awhile ago

[smoky halo]

didnt shift cancel the stun?

[full terrace]

But I remember her summon's projectile touches Izumik then I retreat her

[smoky halo]

did u habe weightless active?

[full terrace]

No Ange but I did grab the Weightless relic

[smoky halo]

angelina inspiration?

erm

-movespd trolls ed4 i think

😭

[full terrace]

Its not the Weight I dont think, there was something I did wrong with the push

Push timing

I missed that, then the freaking Izumik walked 😂

Then I ditch that Weedy push method completely

And starved him for the longest time

[full terrace]

Weedy and her cannon have the same travel speed right? Or one is faster than other?

[weary grotto]

How good is figurino s1

[civic bear]

same speed

[full terrace]

Hmm

[civic bear]

but they got hitscan

so you can retreat cannon

or rather retreat weedy herself

[full terrace]

How does that hitscan work

[civic bear]

it just makes projectile

immediately hit

[full terrace]

Ah

[civic bear]

say weedy infront cannon back.
normally weedy hits then cannon right.
but if you rretreat weedy when both proojectile in air. both will hit immediately

if you retreat cannon the cannon one will hit immediately

doesnt have to be weedy front cannon back but usually its easier with weedy front cuz animation is clearer

[full terrace]

Ah so retreating Weedy > retreating cannon because retreating cannon means cannon's projectile must be slower than Weedy's and the timing of its retreat must match perfectly with the contact made by Weedy's projectile

[civic bear]

yep

[full terrace]

I think I get it now hmm

I think I'll give it a shot once d18 drops

[civic bear]

good mechanic you can do other stuff with it too like

[glass monolith]

Will it evolve into trying to hole ed3 is3 boss or not

[civic bear]

cannon retreat early

[full terrace]

But if I fail again, I'm gonna forget this completely 😂

[civic bear]

so that it push

and then weedy main push hits later

its shorter distance but you can push one wave into 2nd wave and then 2nd push hits both wave

[elder flume]

Do note that Weedy push is smaller in size

[full terrace]

So like let's say one push moves the target 2 tiles. Launch both pushes and let the cannon's hits by retreating it, then when the push reaches around 1.5 tiles, retreat Weedy to keep the velocity and push it further to like 3.5~4 tiles?

[civic bear]

yes

[full terrace]

Neat

[civic bear]

well you still lose distance

compared to

combining both

cuz momentum lost

but its not that big

[elder flume]

Ye

[civic bear]

its like 10% diff

or something

[full terrace]

Yes but I mean

[civic bear]

only relevant if you want to do hole push stuff

[full terrace]

Its 2 pushes

[civic bear]

yeah

2 push good

[full terrace]

Meaning I can change direction

And maybe do a diagonal push

Like Rain often did

[brittle mesa]

I noticed that Indra can deal arts damage. Is she actually decently good if I don’t have mountain for example?

[full terrace]

Dont cope Indra no

[brittle mesa]

Because arts is based on percentages, not basic subtraction so she deals reasonable damage when she is well built.

[brittle mesa]

Can you elaborate?

[narrow pendant]

She sucks

[brittle mesa]

Why she sucks?

[weary grotto]

Figurino s1 opinion?

[narrow pendant]

🚮

[full terrace]

Well first of all, it's about Fighter archetype. Fighter Guards have lower attack power but hit fast, with how the damage formula works, this means you are doing lower damage overall compared to archetypes that hit hard but few. Let's say you hit for 1k for 10 times on an enemy with 400 def:
1k-400 = 600
600 x 10 = 6k damage
Now let's compare it to 10k but it's 1 hit:
10k - 400 = 9.6k damage
See the difference?
Arts-Res relation gives you favorable result but the calculation is still bad.
Secondly, Indra has 1 block. Unlike Mountain that can block 2 when his skill is active, 1 block most of the time cant keep up with the pressure/crowd, so you are basically single-target killing all the time while Mountain is killing 2 at a time, and even with that Mountain is still not good for today's standard.

If you want Arts damage specifically, some Lords have decent Arts damage, and if you want Mountain's laneholding capability, try Centurion.

[tidal sedge]

Can't believe they made me use my brain for an Ex 1 stage

Fun stuff.

[full terrace]

I used no brain for EX 1

I threw Asca to the left, then Shu tank the mini cars

Right side I just drop Ines thingy on the ground and then redeploy her for more thingy on the ground

[tidal sedge]

Were you banning Logos S1?

[full terrace]

And Wisadel shot them all

[tidal sedge]

Same yep

[full terrace]

No my Logos was at S3

I went in blind

[tidal sedge]

Too good

[brisk surge]

Can't believe he made my boy explained and dipped

[full terrace]

😂

[hasty spruce]

Man oh man

[analog mirage]

gg

[glass monolith]

It is tutorial stage

[scarlet mortar]

while all this is true, the last nail in the coffin is that utage does her job anw if you aren't starved for DP

her kit just does a load of arts dps in one go and then turns her into a dead slot

basically utage

admittedly seeing indra go is pretty fun, but she's just outclassed in convenience both gameplay-wise and cost-wise

[tidal sedge]

How does one beat this 💔 i been told that its easy to get to pv-5

[azure roost]

what pv 5 map again

i forgot

[tidal sedge]

Yeah uhm i was being silly i thought you got tequila from that but it appears i was completely wrong so forget that

[azure roost]

mmmm

honestly focus on middle lane

and have good medic

[weary grotto]

Hi

How good is vigil module 2?

[rich crow]

Any chance of winning ending 4 is4 a14 with 2 health left?

[sharp pine]

how to pv ex 8?

[rich crow]

You either micro manage so that you can kill lappland immediately after the carnival ends and nuke her, or use elemental damage

[astral cosmos]

how broken is estelle!

[fervent dome]

I'm not sure what units you have, but I had to borrow Virtuousa

I used blaze,thorns,virtuousa,skalter,mulberry, and nightingale for left and kalstit,myrtle for right side

[sharp pine]

hmm

[maiden hound]

alternatively you can cope valraqvin
she's not bad actually

[fervent dome]

I understand it's quite a pricey team tho ;-; sorry if that wasn't very helpful

[sharp pine]

i got these

i heard ppl said that lappalter trivializes her event

[maiden hound]

feels like that one's doable

[sharp pine]

which strats to use?

[fervent dome]

I wonder if Penance can solo right side

[vocal leaf]

did you win? im curious why the gladiia

[sharp pine]

saria with a medic cant 😭

[fervent dome]

Yeah Saria couldn't - I tried to use her first

kalstit and monst3r could barely hold it

[sharp pine]

so what should i do?

just stall?

until fireworks?

[fervent dome]

I saw people using lappland's talent to silence the enemies so they dont explode? but I didn't have lappland built

[sharp pine]

i dont have lappland lah

[vocal leaf]

when no lapp use jay s1

[fervent dome]

oh! good point!!! except my jaye is only e1lv50 so Im not sure if he would've survived

[sharp pine]

enemies explode?

[fervent dome]

yeah the popcorn

[vocal leaf]

i didn’t have any car going to right side, here i use ulpi with bassline s2 as healer

[sharp pine]

is mulberry gud for a wandering medic?

[fervent dome]

You have Lumen- I think he's better; I wasn't playing when they gave him out so I used Mulberry

[sharp pine]

also uhh how did u use blaze and thorns in the stage?

[fervent dome]

1. Thorns
2. Blaze

[sharp pine]

hmm

lets see if logo nymph virtuosa can melt this goober

[fervent dome]

if not maybe wisadel can

[sharp pine]

[maiden hound]

90% dr:

[vocal leaf]

what part are you struggling with? p1 or p2? are you letting the boss spawn more enemies because you didn’t kill p2 in one cycle?

you can stop the initial running guys with mountain, that way you get carnival at appropriate time and the cars won’t go to right side

[sharp pine]

p2?

[maiden hound]

phase 2

[sharp pine]

oh yeah

p2

and surviving in general

[tawdry path]

is this normal or cm

[sharp pine]

normal

penance cant solo right side 😭

[maiden hound]

kaltsit probably can

[vocal leaf]

what fireworks are you using?

[sharp pine]

no kal

[sharp pine]

cat

[tawdry path]

alr, you can clear right side with

thorns + healer

im sure youre fine with lappy boss in general?

or is she also killing you

[sharp pine]

i can survive

just not the fire guys

[tawdry path]

alr nice

yeah the fire guys deal arts damage

thats why they hurt

well to make life easy

you can use an ines support

then retreat her

then place thorns down

so your thorns can still target the fire guys even if theyre invis

[sharp pine]

wut do i do with the boss?

[tawdry path]

also i'd just remove any firework for lappy

you dont need the effect

for the boss, you have your nukes

just nuke em after the rhodos island vs lapp thing ended

since thats when she loses her damage reduction

[sharp pine]

helidrop the nukes im assuming?

[tawdry path]

nope

just save them

after the lapp vs rhodos thing ended, then you nuke

[sharp pine]

is thorns + healer enuf for right side?

or is saria needed

[tawdry path]

ill check for you rn, but im sure its fine

[sharp pine]

alr tyty

[tawdry path]

alr ive checked

he just dies lol

alr a one unit solution for the fire guy is zuo le

do you have anyone with him in support?

[sharp pine]

yes

[tawdry path]

alr you can use s2

and he'll clear right side

just dont make him last deployed since that means lappy would target him

[sharp pine]

he solos?

or needs a medic?

[elder flume]

he cant be healed so

[sharp pine]

oh

[faint loom]

Is Tactical Drill the only source of EXP income, or is there a better way to farm EXP cards?

[elder flume]

base

[sharp pine]

zuole cant survive

[faint loom]

workshop? i didn't saw exp recipe available for me to craft

[elder flume]

factory

[faint loom]

aah ight, thanks

[tawdry path]

he's performing fine so far

yeah he kinda dies when lappy is right beside him

but atp youve almost won and you can throw bodies at the bottom

[sharp pine]

how do i start this stage?

do i start with him?

[tawdry path]

no you shouldnt

youd put zuo in when the first fire guy comes around

[sharp pine]

then wut do i do in the mean time?

[maiden hound]

zerkjt

[sharp pine]

?

[tawdry path]

i'd help with a run if i had your ops

but youre gonna have to wing it abit

just tell us where youd fail

do you not have enough dp for zuo le?

then flag on the bottom right

[sharp pine]

my healers die

[elder flume]

showing your map deploy is prob easier

Lumen Ptilo CE Reed Shamare and dying

[sharp pine]

i just copied the one above

[ruby gale]

Why tf is this Stage Harder than PV8

[sharp pine]

[ruby gale]

Maybe its cuz the lack of choke points

[sharp pine]

logo solos left side

[ruby gale]

Does his S1 Applies to invisible enemies?

[elder flume]

theyre not invis

[sharp pine]

just wait for fireworks

[sharp pine]

my reed not healing bruh

[rich plover]

The fireworks is the choke point lol

Just try to keep it alive

looks into event
Bloons TD

[somber falcon]

There's exactly one enemy that stays attack-able the entire fight
It's a skillish if you're not pointing reed towards her

[sharp pine]

reed heals by dmg dealt no?

lappland has dmr

so shes not healing for me

[random tinsel]

I'm trying to teach my 8yo brother playing arknights 🙂

[somber falcon]

Either don't let her get hit or don't use her then

[sharp pine]

Man this stage sucks

I wish I just could wisadel it

[south spindle]

which stage

[tawdry path]

post wisadel era has truly brainrotted everyone

[south spindle]

oh EX-1 CM?

[sharp pine]

Pv ex 8

[south spindle]

Ah

[sharp pine]

Normal

And cm eventually

[south spindle]

You have either Nymph or Virtuosa?

that can cheese it

[sharp pine]

I have nymph

S3 not m3 tho

[south spindle]

thats fine

i used no masteries nymph

E2 lvl 60

Borrow a virtuosa, use her S3

wait for necrosis to proc as you activate nymph skill

should delete phase 1 by the time Lappy's dumb game even starts

[azure roost]

[sharp pine]

And p2?

[south spindle]

phase two you can keep virtuosa same place and reposition nymph

and wait to do the same thing but no damage reduction so

its kind of on all your dpses tbh

[sharp pine]

Y need reposition nymph?

[south spindle]

wait i just remembered ex-8 oops

still same thing

not necessary if shes in a good place

just lappy jumps around

it kind of is on all of your units at that point

what dpses you got?

[sharp pine]

This

[south spindle]

Oh yeah you got damage youll be good

if you are on pc stream it

[sharp pine]

Where?

[south spindle]

Errrr 2 min

uh penguin logistics vc?

#668529261090439188

[sharp pine]

Ogey

[south spindle]

ya start stream when u good

[somber falcon]

Bring chongus + medic for right side
Mountain probably could but yours is low lvl

[somber falcon]

GGs

[azure roost]

[azure roost]

use first

[fringe lintel]

did someone ever clear PV-10 with E0 Lv1? im looking at it and im about to fall on my knees

[elder flume]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1nqDUYBEo4/

casual twenty minutes run

[vocal leaf]

noo the game crash before sending the stage clear to the server
i’ve been having a lot of sudden crash after the update

[full terrace]

Oh I thought it was just me

My client crashes more often after the update too

[tidal sedge]

This stage is so fun with Golden chalice, everything disappears before you even blink

[full terrace]

I threw Wis left Asca right

Both hit equally fast and AoE offskill

Work really nice vs those IW enemies

[hasty spruce]

How do i kill tal

[full terrace]

You burst

Since you are borrowing already, might as well borrow Wisadel and shoot her

Or Ray

[narrow pendant]

Borrowing a healer

Crazy work indeed

[brisk surge]

Hiii

[narrow pendant]

Hi maxxie

[brisk surge]

Did you know I fell sick

It was kinda awesome

[narrow pendant]

Why'd u fell

Shouldve stayed standing

🥱

[brisk surge]

TRUE!!!!

[narrow pendant]

[south bone]

Is there any non-6* clear for PV-EX-8 that doesn't involve element dmg i kinda want to try

[smoky halo]

4star only used 4 ops

link if ur intrested
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV12XUjYHEym/

[elder flume]

Estelle Contrail pog

[pure orchid]

totter !!!!

Fuck do contrail do

Also wow no medic

[fringe lintel]

BLESS TYSM

[elder flume]

did you copy it

[smoky halo]

cant be hit while in air

👍

kinda broken

[pure orchid]

Wow so

what if we have surtr but contrail

[smoky halo]

well now all ur lacking is the dmg ‼️

[pure orchid]

🚬

[smoky halo]

also can hit air 🤫

contrail wins against drones 🤫

[pure orchid]

🤫

[leaden sierra]

lappy is such a cool boss, if you time the firework correctly she just kills the enemies for you

[full terrace]

@vocal leaf @tidal sedge how to beat Quilon the stablest (and lamest) way

[vocal leaf]

when i leaked him for the achievement i waited for p2

[glass monolith]

Me doing BSL be like

[jaunty hill]

How to do ex 1 vro

[somber falcon]

🖋️ 👿

[final obsidian]

Lutonada solo left side 🐀

[azure roost]

ok got lapp2 free pull