#strategy

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silver thorn
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well, shit.

warm crow
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hello, does any of you have a character rec to build/get (from event) for the last 2 slot?

lucid glacier
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how do i beat be-8

full terrace
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Anyway, take Texas and borrow an E2 Wisadel, then grab Kroos alter and Tequila.

warm crow
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cause shes cool

rocky kelp
warm crow
full terrace
strange thorn
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the way to beat almost every stage is borrowing wis

strange thorn
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shes stupidly overpowered

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does like 10k a shot

somber stone
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Simply try her

rocky kelp
strange thorn
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she has camo, has range, has damage when skill is down

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and has utterly stupid damage and aoe using skill

full terrace
# rocky kelp its just a lazy answer because she is strong

She is the most efficient solution for that stage, not because it's a lazy answer. If you think it's lazy why didnt you ask the guy to show his operators and then tailor a specific strat using his squad without borrowing Wis? Instead it's silence coming from you. People who recommend Wis are still better than people who stayed quiet when someone asked for help.

opaque bridge
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Do I borrow an executor…?

vocal leaf
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team looks fine, why do you need one?

pure orchid
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You can borrow aoe laneholder like exalter or ascalon

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Theres like quite a few spots that are perfect for them

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and then just have a blocker next to them

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these spot in particular i like

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tho asca wont work for the rightmost blue

lapis hornet
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yeah asca should be rly good

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altho you can probs win just alternating chalter and wis

full terrace
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Ah I miss that stage

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I had fun with Mudrock back then

lapis hornet
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that stage felt so good to beat when it came out first time my heart was pounding after an ak clear lol

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sadly powercrept af now

full terrace
opaque bridge
civic bear
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If it works it works

full terrace
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Texas is optimal, but you can also draft Lappland she will silence all the spiders and no one will be frozen.

civic bear
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That stage is all about just avoiding spiders

full terrace
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Yeh I agree

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And bombs actually

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Those freezing bombs

civic bear
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Ye it's heavily reliant on freeze

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No freeze no dmg

rocky kelp
pure orchid
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You look at it another way and you could call it efficient

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The alternatives are to link a video guide, which is the epitome of lazy

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Or to give a well-detailed strategy according to their exact roster without any borrows, which can be excessive at times

civic bear
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Not like wisadel solves every hard stage problem

rocky kelp
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A lot of people that ask for help are people that are not looking for one sentence answers imo, anyway I wasnt even criticizing it even though i am not a fan, I was just answering a question

pure orchid
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Im not even talking borrowing wis in particular

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Just borrowing in general

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Its a mechanic in the game, not much point not to use it

zinc flume
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You can solve RA by borrowing CluelessAsh

hazy sinew
zinc flume
civic bear
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Can solve the game by quitting too

rocky kelp
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save money, solve game, solve every future stage, solve having bad rng

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dang why didnt i think of that

civic bear
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Be like me

full terrace
# rocky kelp it wasnt supposed to be offensive lol the answer is lazy because telling someone...

First of all, the guy who asked the question simply say: "how do I beat BP-8?" And nothing else. Helpers are not mind readers nor clairvoyants, we dont know what kind of units the person has, which part they are struggling with, etc. With nothing much to go on, there arent much helpers can assist with. Secondly, if you could call a one-sentence borrowing unit a lazy answer, then the one-sentence question "how do I solve this?" is also a lazy question, why are you calling one side lazy but not the other? Thirdly, again, if you think this is a lazy answer, why dont you make efforts and try to help the guy? If you think there is a better solution, you should have taken the initiative to help yet you didnt. If you dont want to help then, no offense, you have no rights to criticize helpers that did try making efforts to help. And yes it's a criticism you are throwing there. It's one thing if it's someone like Ancool who said that, because he did help people. I dont wanna hear from a passive person criticizing someone doing good deeds. It's not like we gain anything from helping people over here, at least appreciate it.

pure orchid
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My mind is deleting words in the middle of my sentences in an entrained effort to be concise

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I am the calm after the storm

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Hello people

rocky kelp
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this guy literally said

full terrace
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Exactly

remote perch
rocky kelp
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bro, I see nothing wrong with what you said

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like

pure orchid
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Isnt that the troll anyways

rocky kelp
pure orchid
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That question’s been null from the start

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Lets just drop it

full terrace
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I mean troll or not, we dont know what ops he has, what part he is struggling with etc

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What can we even do about it

rocky kelp
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I dont disagree my guy

pure orchid
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That guy was yapping about fucking nikki in #help

rocky kelp
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this channel is for advanced help.

there is no way to give that guy advanced help, maybe if it wasn't the middle of the night, and the guy got the stage name right I might ask him something like "ss the map and the ops you have leveled." but the guy didnt even care enough to get the stage name. lmao

full terrace
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Exactly

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So instead of calling people who do answer him (with a valid efficient solution) lazy, you should have called the guy asking the question lazy instead that's my 2 cent.

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Anyway it's getting off-topic so I'm dropping it here.

rocky kelp
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wait waht

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i never called anyone lazy

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why would i go out of my way to call that guy lazy

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well i mean it is true

rocky kelp
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I mean thats just how English works

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someone can do stupid things without being a stupid person

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anyway if you wanted to link, there was this here anyway lol

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it was supposed to be a joke, sry if not funny

civic bear
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Let's just move on

rocky kelp
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bro Im waiting for someone to ask for help but #strategy is dead

pure orchid
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A shift to semantics would make this more pointless than it already was lol

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It always is

civic bear
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You don't wait

rocky kelp
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I am right now ChenShrug

glass monolith
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Look in, someone casting "vicious mockery", heh classic, moves on

civic bear
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No as in you don't wait for someone to ask help. Just pop by now and then

quaint horizon
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hello,I am puzzled that will I get a 5star operator without choosing the tag ? I am new and all my recruit is 3star

rocky kelp
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its a very very low chance

full terrace
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By very slim I mean very very

rocky kelp
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you can also get certain tags that may garuntee a 5star, but its still very rare

restive kayak
full terrace
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Almost non-existent, might as well treat it as non-existent actually

restive kayak
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true asf

civic bear
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Recruit basicly just for the 3* and 4*

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Free green certs

full terrace
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It's gold cert for me 😂

glass monolith
full terrace
# quaint horizon hello,I am puzzled that will I get a 5star operator without choosing the tag ? I...

This is my template btw:

  • Slow + Guard/Sniper/Caster

  • Healing + Vanguard/Supporter

  • Survival + Sniper

  • Nuker - THRM-EX, Cutter

  • Support - Justice Knight, Castle-3, Purestream, Dobermann

  • Crowd Control - Click

  • Healing - Myrtle, Podenco

  • Survival - Jessica

  • Slow - May, Ambriel, Shirayuki, Greyy, Frostleaf

  • Debuff - Haze, Meteor

  • Fast-Redeploy - Gravel, Jaye

  • Shift - Rope, Shaw

  • Robot - Always take Lancet-2 and Friston-3

So basically what I do is to use free refreshes from Office and refresh til I get favorable tags, then I spend my Recruitment Permit on the tags. 3:50 for robot, 9 full hours for other desired tags.

quaint horizon
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emm..it means I have to headhunt for the high stars operator?

narrow pendant
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Its a gacha gane

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So yes

clever hedge
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what makes lancet 2 worth more than the others, out of curiosity

narrow pendant
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Cuz even the 6* that are in recruitment

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Are old

glass monolith
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Well recruitment also like.... First 1.5 years of operators, Kernel is 2 and rest are Standard

rocky kelp
clever hedge
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or just look up a recruitment calc online, there's a few

quaint horizon
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the operator these days are recommend to get?

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I only clear 4-1 now

clever hedge
foggy grove
full terrace
restive kayak
full terrace
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I mean you can do Medic tag for Lancet but 99.99% of the time you'll land on Ansel or Hibiscus.

clever hedge
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Well, lancet is free unless you really want to fish for robot pots

full terrace
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Thats what my template is about yes

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Robot pots

glass monolith
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Here is current banner distribution. Want to note that "Kernel year 2" is not on Kernel yet before next Kernel as they just got removed from standard banner and those banners update week apart.
With few exceptions like Ange etc Recruitment have operators up to Blemishine (List is sorted by CN release order, on global Dorothy is after Pozy etc)

clever hedge
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ok fair

quaint horizon
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Why the auto deploy fail sometime, doesnt it copy the full process every time?

glass monolith
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It copy exact steps but trust can change stats, promotion increase DP cost etc

quaint horizon
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how can I avoid it ?

glass monolith
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If it fails just do new one because amount of shit to go wrong don't fit in Discord message limit

full terrace
rocky kelp
# quaint horizon how can I avoid it ?

there can be small issues due to lag and stuff, but mostly its because you upgrade something that it causes an issue

to avoid it, just place more extra stuff for everything, and keep your dp above like 4

full terrace
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Such as @remote perch 😄

quaint horizon
rocky kelp
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for specific stages or advanced help

full terrace
glass monolith
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You promoted operator and their DP cost increased : Auto couldn't deploy at same timing it used before (Skills will be ready later, or they might die before skills activate due dangerous enemy reaching them)
Lag / Frame drop : All random talent etc desync from original clear, Kroos don't do increased damage, Ambriel stuns enemy making them pile up, I don't want to talk about Goldenglow S3
Trust / Level up stat increase : Operator might kill earlier to trigger kill gate faster, Operator didn't die and Auto run out of deploy slots to deploy in different places (If you deploy on same place it will replace alive operator just fine) etc, etc

quaint horizon
# rocky kelp

sorry,I am not so familiar with this app,I just search for the begin strategy so that I find here😫

rocky kelp
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that was just a response to your question. tbh idk about others but idc even if you just ask random sht ill still answer

pure orchid
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Alright i have a question

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I chat with a girl and they just seen my message

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Whats the play

rocky kelp
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send them a pic of your fav ak waifu, and ask them if they would be willing to simp for a 2d anime girl with you

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its the optimal play to know if they are the right one

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trust

pure orchid
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Goofy ahh mf i already like her

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No need for silly tests

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Also i already did part 1

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Didnt ask them tho

rocky kelp
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my goat

pure orchid
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Bro i am not goat they just seened me 😭

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On a completely diff topic

prime vigil
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I just want to ask for help, whos 4 star or 5 star I can use mostly for early game? I want to save currency as much as possible, thank you.

rocky kelp
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ill get a screenshot for you

prime vigil
foggy grove
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it's sarcasm
easier for you to send ss of what you have

rocky kelp
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well it wasnt sarcasm but I guess it isnt that strange to interpret it that way lol

sterile delta
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as much as i like luto's design (top leftmost operator), ignore her
everyone else is good tho

rocky kelp
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i use her alot in IS, i think she is comparable to gummy

foggy grove
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so she sucks WarSmug

rocky kelp
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oh right if you need English name for any of them just tell me i forgot it wasnt shown here@prime vigil

sterile delta
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metawise drafting 4 stars in IS below is5 is kinda inting

rocky kelp
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first time i heard that tbh

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i always used them

sterile delta
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what diff do you play on

rocky kelp
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15

prime vigil
sterile delta
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interesting

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you're supposed to prioritize 6 stars then 3 stars

rocky kelp
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I find most 3 stars pretty useless if they are not ansel, kroos, or spot

sterile delta
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especially with how contested guard tickets are

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4 stars are just not worth the hope

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even more so for sniper/specialist

rocky kelp
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anyway if we are talking about luto in particular, i will just be honest i havent used her much in other is

full terrace
rocky kelp
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but i did use cutter, humus, may, vigna, occasionally

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oh and podenco

sterile delta
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is2 you can draft whatever bs you want, is3 d15 is actively hostile to defenders later on so theres no point, is4 defender ticket should go to shu/jessica generally and saria if doing ed3 d12- for arts burst cycle

glass monolith
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Long live Ambriel (proceeds to die on d0 in IS4) BPCozy

rocky kelp
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i was talking about is3 or 4

sterile delta
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but hey if it works it works i guess

rocky kelp
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when does is5 come out on global anyway?

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its like next banner or something?

smoky halo
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after nymph

sterile delta
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couple of months most likely

glass monolith
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Sometime

sterile delta
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we dont know yet

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also fib the IS dalao can you confirm that im not tripping in how you dont normally draft 4 stars below is5

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dont wanna be giving out misinfo here FiaDed

full terrace
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I dont draft 4 Stars either

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Nor 5 Stars except for Ptilopsis and Warfarin

rocky kelp
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well i think i have heard that before, its not like i disagree, that it could be optimal

foggy grove
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stuff like vigna is even more questionable

glass monolith
foggy grove
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but yapever

rocky kelp
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but regardless

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yall will have to try luto in is5 when it come out

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maybe my opinion is sht, i wont know until then

smoky halo
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u grief ur hope economy

sterile delta
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ok im not washed got it

celest bluff
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I don't remember what happened with Dorothy release

sterile delta
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maybe thrm4l is just built different lol

smoky halo
rocky kelp
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well its not like I go out of my way to waste hope lol

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but if I need healing and only have a supp voucher ChenShrug

sterile delta
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when typhon was delayed so was is4

celest bluff
full terrace
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In IS4 especially, Hope in d15 is very scarce because of the very limited Anti-Interference Index. Drafting 4 Stars kinda hurt your squad actually unless you get the -2 Hope 4 Star relic

smoky halo
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myrtle is fine but id rather spend a bit more for ely

sterile delta
smoky halo
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it depends on how broke u are

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like if ur playing guard vg and myrtle is auto promote while ely/wan isnt i usually take myrtle if i need a vg now

rocky kelp
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I actually use the index thingy squad when I do is4 normally

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most ppl use like guard or sniper i would assume if not that?

sterile delta
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caster/spec or sniper/medic

celest bluff
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I going up to d14 in IS4 only using the class squad

smoky halo
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im forced to draft the strong stuff else i die joyplush

rocky kelp
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ye nty

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caster/spec is what I run in is5

sterile delta
smoky halo
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🥹

rocky kelp
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for nymph, logos, lappalter

smoky halo
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so my draft philosophy may be different than other ppl

full terrace
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Draft Ines, no need Myrtle/Ely/Sail 👍

rocky kelp
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I think I normally prioritize living first tho

smoky halo
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u need flag + ines on some stages

rocky kelp
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since any relic can change a run even if I have 2 less hope

smoky halo
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by some stages i mean sentinel

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it all goes back to sentinel 😭

rocky kelp
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skill issue in not having ines with +200 aspd honestly

smoky halo
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my LTA2 run has 0 aspd

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its so ass

glass monolith
full terrace
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My go-to squad in IS4 is either Spearhead or the no Hope upgrade squad. The latter when I wanna play it safe. The former is kinda tight on vouchers, RIP if no Sniper voucher by F3, E1 Wiz sucks.

smoky halo
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play class squad and open with e2 shhhhhh

rocky kelp
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Normally if I am trying to get ed4, ill go with the anti-interference index squad if I get hope from the last run reward

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if I dont then I restart and go with something else lol

smoky halo
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u can do 3star open for sci squad

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but u need a good voucher from first combat

rocky kelp
celest bluff
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okay sanity refill

glass monolith
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I used to level up, now I am 120 RedDumb

rocky kelp
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oh btw, I wouldnt stock up too much khol

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it becomes free ish if global follows cn

glass monolith
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I wish it don't and we get free RMA instead

rocky kelp
rocky kelp
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middle one?

smoky halo
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kroos lava spot

rocky kelp
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spot, steward, kroos?

smoky halo
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u take lava for prisoners

rocky kelp
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i c

smoky halo
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u win all non emers

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this strat is reliant on getting a 6star on first ticket

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if u dont get smthing good ur probably boned joyplush

rocky kelp
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i think i would be okay if its not supp or vg

rocky kelp
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even if I loose a few lives having to draft a specialist or something

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ty for strat bro

smoky halo
glass monolith
smoky halo
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💀

mint dove
smoky halo
mint dove
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Which event LappDumb

narrow pendant
mint dove
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Ty

glass monolith
# mint dove Ty

CN people claim that shit repeats for 3 events in row, not just thorns alter

narrow pendant
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Cuz it started on lappalter event

terse sierra
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I basically have loxic kohl coming out of my ears at this point

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Infinite kohl is quite a lot

glass monolith
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I mugged bloodknight in dark alleys of kazimier for all his Kohl

hazy sinew
rocky kelp
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virtuosa event rerun

hazy sinew
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oh joy

proud temple
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Slight problem

hazy sinew
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skill

proud temple
hazy sinew
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wait you have yato

proud temple
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Borrowed

hazy sinew
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how arent ya losing to him

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wtf

proud temple
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I forgot about the tiles lol

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The yato is pot 6 s3m3 lvl90

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Nice

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P6 krooster here I come

opaque bridge
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Did I really need two laneholders…?

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(CM)

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where did i go wrong wtf

wary imp
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Rate my newbie roster?

somber falcon
celest bluff
full terrace
opaque bridge
somber falcon
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Either heal more or don't stack it

full terrace
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Shu + Reed allow you to ignore the poison completely

opaque bridge
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but i have neither xd

full terrace
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But those are pretty premium option

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Lemme think hmm

somber falcon
full terrace
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You are bursting Mephisto with Wisadel and Chen?

opaque bridge
opaque bridge
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i used chen on the second and the gas got to me

full terrace
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You died in Phase 2 poison or Phase 1?

opaque bridge
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p2

full terrace
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Ah Phase 2

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Try Civilight Eterna

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When the poison started to stack, activate her skill

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I believe CE helps a lot there

somber falcon
opaque bridge
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hm… I only have skalter borrow tho

lapis hornet
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maybe you're just level gated lol

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the fewer the units the lower the healing pressure

full terrace
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When CE's skill is active, she can even keep Surtr alive. That healing power is almost equal to Shu's healing power #help message

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As long as you burst Phase 2 within her skill duration, which is quite long

full terrace
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I mean err

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You deploy 2 Medics in Skalter's range

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She will double their healing power

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That equals to 4 Medics

opaque bridge
full terrace
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Whoever has that SuLuxia ign, is reading my favorite manhwa 😂

scarlet mortar
full terrace
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Joke aside, try Skalter and drop 2 Medics in her range. I believe that will take care of your healing issue

scarlet mortar
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just unga harder

opaque bridge
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well that wasn’t hehe

full terrace
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How did you deploy her 😅

late bane
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Go shu

opaque bridge
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the uh top middle box + 2 healers

full terrace
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That should do the trick considering she also powers up Wisadel and Chen

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How about err

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In that tile

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Bottom row, right tile

late bane
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Shu

full terrace
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It will also cover the tile below there

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It's probably just deployment order. Both Casul and cake are right about it, you have 2 main issues:

  1. Heals spread too thin.
  2. Your units' levels are too low.
    And Skalter fixed both issues by enhancing your Medics and your Wisadel/Chen's dps.
opaque bridge
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lemme just lvl up perf mod rq

scarlet mortar
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hm does skalter S1 kill herself if you burst with her solo healing

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ik she has a lot of hps but that'd be funny if it did

late bane
opaque bridge
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skill3?

late bane
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Yes

scarlet mortar
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"almost" i mean

opaque bridge
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welp guess ill dump shu with saria down :trol:

spark sinew
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even pre wisadel

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you had like exec hella, exec saria duos

scarlet mortar
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wait i should've scrolled down

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why does this exist

wary imp
wary imp
opaque bridge
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fried chicken on the menu

wary imp
pure orchid
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Bro serving uncooked chicken, where tf is the Ifrit

opaque bridge
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or rather... explosive SwireKek

pure orchid
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Exploded chicken

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amazing

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Oh wait no

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Chicken bits

opaque bridge
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hmmyes now time for JT8-2 and 3- on second thought nevermind

celest bluff
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Need replacement for mountain

pure orchid
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who have

lapis hornet
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zuo in front of blue nice works

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by zuo I meant ulpi

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or exe or anyone

tawdry path
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ela works ig

full terrace
pure orchid
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Lmao ulpi hits so slow that the enemies enter blue box before he can hit them

full terrace
celest bluff
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Or I could spend the 6star selector on mountain and raise him tomorrow

tawdry path
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ela and walter on that stage is pretty overkill

lapis hornet
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literally anyone bro

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i use wis s1 cause I might just be based but surely s3 fine

celest bluff
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Is your s1m3?

slender terrace
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Just look through your squad see if you have any guard or laneholder the enemies are not strong anyways

pure orchid
slender terrace
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If not then use like guard + guardian or something if you really don’t have anything

pure orchid
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lvl 1 bubble btw

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i can even redeploy to face ulpi up later

lapis hornet
pure orchid
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i think theres a killgate around 13

lapis hornet
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literally active melantha skill

full terrace
tawdry path
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stage is easy anyway ChenShrug

full terrace
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I think I wasted a few secs on that

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But 1:3x is still pretty good auto time

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Or like this maybe, Ela at green circled tile facing up, creating the carapace at white squared tile

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Serves as her shield and she can spawn camp the red box

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Wonder if that would save me a few secs

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Still I dont think 1:2x is possible with it

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Prob low 1:3x

dapper hedge
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Why not just spawn camp them. Isn't it faster thanwaiting them walk

full terrace
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Thats what I'm saying yes

dapper hedge
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On left side

full terrace
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Few secs save on the kill gate at 7

lapis hornet
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guy just wanted a no brain mountain replacement no need to sweat it...

full terrace
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Left side is spawn camped 😐

lapis hornet
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he long gone anyway

zinc flume
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He is spawncamping, though it's faster to perfect frame kill them, perfect frame kills are easily messed up in autos by a single frame drop as slight as it may be

dapper hedge
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I saw a gladiia for right instead of mountain, didn't scroll up so don't see the context lol

pure orchid
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who wanna help me interpret fucking food waste statistics

swift sage
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Can you give me an advice on which operator to focus on

civic bear
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La pluma, cutter. But yeah ask help next time

swift sage
lapis hornet
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why y'all so angry smh

scarlet mortar
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were they mad that you raised passenger before logos HellaKek

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or gladiia with no other AH in sight

civic bear
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They mad cuz he's too based

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Weedy glad leveled

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Bro bout to be a menace

maiden hound
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waifuknights

spark sinew
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help has such an insane hateboner towards weedy

celest bluff
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do you guys ever farm sugar pack?

pure orchid
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not anymore, but im kinda forced this time around since i havent cleared shop yet

narrow pendant
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Im farming it on the event cuz i was running low on ot

pure orchid
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and i have a surplus of all the farmable in this event

plucky mason
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I need help with 7-18, I've tried guides and stuff but I keep on losing

Here's my squad, I've switched people out but this is what I have rn

lapis hornet
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what are you struggling with

plucky mason
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I just realized my Wisadel didn't have her Module on 😭

plucky mason
lapis hornet
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ok but which part

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are you using the mines

plucky mason
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Yes

narrow pendant
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That bassline🥹

plucky mason
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I'm struggling at phase 2

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And I keep on forgetting about the AoE guy but that's my fault

celest bluff
#

you did not spent your ticket on that Bassline

narrow pendant
smoky halo
#

this guy is based

#

BASSLINE USERS RISE UP YA

narrow pendant
#

:ya:

plucky mason
#

I'm going to try again with Wisadels module I never noticed she didn't have it on

narrow pendant
#

Bassline at blue box to block
Gitano to help, healer to heal
Wisadel to blast patrick both phases
Done and won

#

But you have some weirdge ops there sirReedBean

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Whys kestrel or sideroca there

smoky halo
#

alternatively u can borrow penance

#

she solos the entire stage except the boss

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then point wisadel at the boss

lapis hornet
#

just wait for thorns to charge before putting down wis

#

safer way if your wis is lower in dmg is retreat and redeploy after pat dies p1 this way you can deploy wis more forward first

#

put down some mines and ya chilling

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or borrow something 🤷

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plenty of ways nowadays

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wait wrong pics

sly pivot
#

ulpian one cycles this fraud 🤫 🧏

lapis hornet
#

mines one cycle him smh

sly pivot
#

this is your sign to pull ulpian

lapis hornet
#

i even took off thorns mod for dis smh

sly pivot
lapis hornet
#

are we shilling ulpian instead of zuo now :ya:

#

built kestrel tho p chad

smoky halo
sly pivot
#

is new era

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🚬

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push the agenda

lapis hornet
#

ngl I don't remember what kestrel does Amiyaya

sly pivot
#

shes like tulip

lapis hornet
#

oh

sly pivot
#

i lied

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i also dont know what she does

smoky halo
#

khant misinfo wtfart...

lapis hornet
#

wdf I trusted u green names...

sly pivot
#

i just made an educated guess

smoky halo
#

cant trust green names now SadgePlant

plucky mason
late bane
#

Who cares what kestrel does, she's a 5* welfare anyway

lapis hornet
#

wdf not my strat ...

late bane
plucky mason
#

Myrtle is not enough dog

#

Myrtle isn't some DP hypercarry especially on a stage where you need to move people around

#

Her DP Gen IS good just not alone

late bane
#

Why tf do you need to carry people around

#

You just put myrtle near top blue box and just press skill continuously

lapis hornet
#

bro let him play like he wants...

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we not in help no need to force ppl to meta slave smh

sly pivot
#

who cares about myrtle

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you dont need a vanguard anyways

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🙄

plucky mason
#

Anywho I tried a few more times and I realized that Patrick's phase two and crowd control is my main struggle

lapis hornet
#

he doesn't have cc just a dot field around him

plucky mason
#

I replaced Gitino with Beeswax for her S2 but I may add her back on

lapis hornet
#

just beware his spear toss it targets further ranged unit from him

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also he becomes ranged in p2 so your ranged units not safe if he walks close to them

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that's about it not v complicated compared to modern bosses

civic bear
#

did you clear yet?

late bane
#

Sacrifice range units for wis

plucky mason
civic bear
#

ok

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just ignore vanguard deployment

#

dont force deploying all vanguard first

plucky mason
#

Patrick wipes out my team on lower left and allows enemies to go in

civic bear
#

did you kill patriot phase 1 yet?

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atleast before the patriot reach the two left columns

plucky mason
nocturne cove
civic bear
#

where did you kill it

#

oooo
oxox
oxox
oooo

lapis hornet
#

wdf...

sly pivot
#

i have p6 and his pots suck

civic bear
#

o low ground x highground

nocturne cove
#

i have p3

plucky mason
civic bear
#

oh ok top part 3rd column?

plucky mason
#

Yeah

nocturne cove
#

i was thinking of going pot4 for +atk

civic bear
#

where do you place your healer and dps at?

lapis hornet
#

pulling for pots wdf...

civic bear
#

the two high ground left side?

lofty stag
civic bear
#

or middle top (wisadel facing down for example)

sly pivot
#

the atk pot is whatever..... hes got 1.6k attack so is not that big of an increase

#

🥹

plucky mason
civic bear
#

healers at - ye?

plucky mason
#

Ye

#

I also place one next to Wisadel for DoT

civic bear
#

does it get hit by the patriot aura? shouldnt be if the boss died at the junction

nocturne cove
sly pivot
#

the normal and mature advice is to not pull pots

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but hey the p6 looks very clean

#

🤫

plucky mason
lapis hornet
#

were getting pepe marcille soon then you'll be like those marcille skipper hating on her cause they coping she sucks since they skipped...

civic bear
#

so the healer is safe then yeah. i assume its patriot

sly pivot
#

also the talent pot doesnt make him reach 2k attack offskill at max stack

civic bear
#

wherei s wisadel again?

#

above said healer?

plucky mason
#

oooo
ox-o

#

Near the blue box

civic bear
#

oh on top

#

that make sense

plucky mason
#

Sometimes I deploy it on the right next to the dash

lapis hornet
#

just kill earlier most unga bunga solution

lapis hornet
#

redeploy wis after p1 then u chilling she'll be back in time for p2

nocturne cove
#

do we get 20 free x10 hh tickets?

#

just like on ela banner

lapis hornet
#

yes

nocturne cove
#

lesgoo

#

i love free pulls

civic bear
#

technically wisadel can be anywhere really

plucky mason
#

Yeah that's true

civic bear
#

is wisadel hit by patriot aura?

nocturne cove
#

yes

plucky mason
#

Sometimes

civic bear
#

prob just place wisadel on top of P honestly

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then 2nd medic at right of P

plucky mason
#

Alr

nocturne cove
#

also i forgor the originium altars also affect her no?

civic bear
#

2 medic healing wisadel is enough

plucky mason
#

I'm thinking perfumer and somebody else

civic bear
#

then just have any ranged op baits on the right high grounds

#

thorns kill mobs reliable enough

plucky mason
#

I usually use PF, whisperain, and Gavial

#

Other than perfumer

civic bear
#

possible ways of wisadel dying would be when you use her skill

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she summons thingy

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and then the mortar hits it and her

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which you can mitigate by just deploying a ground operator AFTER wisadel use skill

plucky mason
#

I have Sidcroa deal with the motar

civic bear
#

oh then not a problem

#

what else then

tidal sedge
civic bear
#

medic dying?

plucky mason
#

More like everyone dying as P2 Patrick goes to bottom left

civic bear
#

then deploy

#

uh

#

bassline

#

wisadel
perfurmer - bassline - purestream

late bane
#

Just kill him there

civic bear
#

baseline deploy last

plucky mason
#

I love bassline :D

civic bear
#

what you already be doing already very close then

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just get bassline to be ready to be the one blocking and tanking pat p2

#

thorns can handle the mobs on his own

late bane
#

I had friend support wis at lv70 cuz mine is 90ReedBean

plucky mason
#

I use S2 baseline but idk if I should switch to S1

civic bear
#

s2 better

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since you want the burst

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in this scenario

plucky mason
#

True

civic bear
#

so patriot would revive

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then it slowly walks

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to ur op

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u use baseline skill

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and other medic

lapis hornet
#

just go play it alr 3+ ppl showing you possible solution

civic bear
#

then wisadel kills it within that duration should be enough

late bane
#

You dont even need to sacrifice ranged units

civic bear
#

technically it will atleast use one

late bane
#

Cuz patriot doesnt target wis cuz camo

civic bear
#

yes but

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the medic

late bane
#

Borrow mount

civic bear
#

with how close patriot is it prob wont target summon

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CeobeConfused bro he's already close dont need to overcomplicate with like borrowing

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his current strat can do it

lapis hornet
#

thorns need no medics anyway ayaya I'm setting this dude up for low op early so he weens off vgs UtageSmug

late bane
#

He died

lapis hornet
#

is he lvl 30 no masteries

late bane
#

65 s3m3

plucky mason
#

I usually borrow the second medic because they're typically more leveled than mine but I'll try again tysm Ancool

nocturne cove
civic bear
#

2nd medic CeobeConfused

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u already have 2 medics

nocturne cove
#

where is cake's thank you?

civic bear
#

3rd LappKek

nocturne cove
#

oh btw which medic has highest healing

#

like heals a lot in single heal or some like that

civic bear
#

but its no big deal tho you got enough heals. you just have need operator to tank and get said heals

late bane
#

Shu

nocturne cove
#

shu

lapis hornet
#

purestream surely

nocturne cove
#

isnt a medic

lofty stag
nocturne cove
#

N

#

O

lofty stag
#

Y

#

E

#

S

nocturne cove
#

(i dont have her)

lofty stag
#

skill issue

late bane
#

Reedalt i guess

nocturne cove
#

no hab

late bane
#

If there alot of trash mobs with low res and low hp

lofty stag
#

skill issue

nocturne cove
#

we have a chart or some

civic bear
#

quercus

late bane
#

Oh ye sussuro s2

nocturne cove
#

is that so

#

lemme try her then

#

i believe hauck has her

spark sinew
#

not anymore

nocturne cove
#

wtf

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voldemort

spark sinew
#

wasn't it you who asked for her anyway

#

is was so long ago, why didn't you try her before!

nocturne cove
#

now it is for somin else

lofty stag
nocturne cove
#

no

#

IS

spark sinew
lofty stag
#

tf im not talking about IS

#

im asking what you need high hph for

nocturne cove
#

yk what im doing-

spark sinew
#

heal per hour?

lofty stag
spark sinew
#

what's high in this case

#

tf you need heal per hit for

nocturne cove
#

ulpi Bnuuy

#

start

spark sinew
#

heals aren't mitigated (outside of harmacists)

nocturne cove
#

btw

#

is it super hard to do ed4

#

without mlynar?

smoky halo
#

i sub mlynar with teq

spark sinew
nocturne cove
#

what about taunt

#

lemme read tequila kit

smoky halo
#

what taunt

nocturne cove
#

brb

lofty stag
smoky halo
#

just last deploy teq

smoky halo
spark sinew
#

ulpi technically has taunt

smoky halo
#

but smaller range and dmg

spark sinew
#

so you can't really use him then

smoky halo
#

literally budget mlynar

#

taunt doesnt really matter for ed4

nocturne cove
smoky halo
#

?

#

mlynar taunt only matters after one of the kings dead (bad)

#

or ed4 alt since it has NL archers (also bad)

nocturne cove
#

ok dang

#

tequila is good

#

but idk

#

that range

#

how useful it is

smoky halo
#

its ok

#

copable

spark sinew
#

he also doesn't hit air

smoky halo
#

theres no air in ed4

nocturne cove
#

oh?

smoky halo
#

doesnt matter

spark sinew
#

he also has overcharge so auto skill is garb

smoky halo
#

ima be real as a teq drafter

spark sinew
#

well i'm not talking about only ed4 is4 fib

smoky halo
#

i dont use him in regular stages

spark sinew
#

i'm talking in general

smoky halo
#

ah

civic bear
#

taunt always bad

#

wait no

#

uncontrollable taunt always bad

spark sinew
#

you control it

smoky halo
#

ig what u can do with mly taunt is place him first before ur medic

spark sinew
#

don't deploy mly if you don't want taunt 🫡

smoky halo
#

if u have baro or smthing to buy a bit of time without breaking cycle

#

but thats kinda sketch

civic bear
#

even then

#

thatd also require

#

said medic placement to be like

#

very close to mlynar

#

or global

sly pivot
#

taunt is good!!! for ice cold image

#

😋

spark sinew
#

hi ld khant

#

am i finally gonna see the battle

sly pivot
#

hauck tuah on that thing

smoky halo
#

well he was asking abt ed4

#

so its a nonissue there

nocturne cove
spark sinew
#

ok, not hi ld khant!

sly pivot
#

well u cant get to ed4 if u die to ed1 alt

smoky halo
#

thats just his talent

civic bear
#

mlynar is passive so well yeah

nocturne cove
#

whats ed1 alt

smoky halo
#

ice cold image

nocturne cove
#

oh?

smoky halo
#

funny stage

nocturne cove
#

lemme see what that is

civic bear
#

is4 ending 1 version 2

sly pivot
#

is a beautiful stage

#

🥹

civic bear
#

mlynar not even there anymore bro

smoky halo
#

sometimes it gaslights u into thinking theres drones in lofty 🥹

civic bear
#

he washed

smoky halo
#

damn how bad is mlynar

sly pivot
#

look is wisadels fault

#

👊

nocturne cove
#

wait isnt the map same?

#

oh nvm

#

the icicle thingies

#

what else changes?

civic bear
#

blue box swap

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and enemy change

sly pivot
#

is from 50 enemies to 100

#

but leftside is just fodder anyways

civic bear
#

it is fodder but the purpose is

#

it makes the blue box center one

#

so that it obstruct your middle stuff

late bane
#

Also ice slugs a spam

nocturne cove
#

the boss has taunt no?

smoky halo
acoustic slate
#

Just get condensed suppressant easy

sly pivot
#

worthless

#

just point some dude at spider lane

late bane
#

I never get that in 2 runs

sly pivot
#

is d12 and above

late bane
#

Ended up getting ed2

smoky halo
#

top left is trash mobs
bot left is ice spiders
top right side is ch6 ice cleavers and sax guys from LE
mid right is frost drones

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boss has more dmg reduction too for some funny reason

nocturne cove
#

also what you said about ulpi and ice cold image

smoky halo
sly pivot
#

oh he does?

nocturne cove
#

i can just put him down there no?

sly pivot
#

he will explode

smoky halo
#

that deal 3k

nocturne cove
#

without needing some sniper to kill those

#

thingies

sly pivot
#

nope

#

well with relics he might kill

nocturne cove
sly pivot
#

but normally he will die before he even kill one sax

nocturne cove
#

sax

smoky halo
#

also he gets frozen

nocturne cove
#

sounds

#

lewd

sly pivot
#

cause they have 70k hp

smoky halo
#

bc frost drones

nocturne cove
#

😓

smoky halo
#

zzzzz

sly pivot
#

and they do their skill every 20s or smth

nocturne cove
acoustic slate
nocturne cove
#

lemme see what those are

smoky halo
#

its the one from LE

nocturne cove
#

whats the name of enemy again?

smoky halo
#

saxophonist

late bane
sly pivot
#

well this is d15 oops

smoky halo
#

sax guys should be hint enough

nocturne cove
#

oh those mf

sly pivot
acoustic slate
sly pivot
#

idk what ur difficulty is

#

but is a pretty well crafted stage

#

to annoy u

nocturne cove
#

7

sly pivot
#

in all sorts of ways

smoky halo
#

nas will become d15 dalao

#

i heard from help

sly pivot
#

is not that hard if u know how to deal with it

#

🚬

#

i do ici better than hollow visage

smoky halo
#

thats every stage shhhhhh

sly pivot
#

sorry

smoky halo
#

same 🥹

lapis hornet
#

modless

smoky halo
#

cake just too dalao

lapis hornet
#

back to grinding gfl2 fr

nocturne cove
#

erm

civic bear
#

i mean

#

he cant "solo"

smoky halo
#

doesnt wis solo 7-18 shhhhhh

#

cant he just copy the wis solo

lapis hornet
#

if you let him take the mortars too iirc mountain can't either or it's rng af been ages since I played dis stage

#

wis solo probs mines and rng galore

smoky halo
#

right

lapis hornet
#

he already ignored the easy copy clear I showed him so

celest bluff
#

wow BP farm stage is so slow

late bane
#

Mortars

late bane
nocturne cove
lapis hornet
#

no wdf Im not a youtuber like green names I don't try every new unit vs pat

nocturne cove
#

it's fun

#

what has that got to do with content creation

celest bluff
#

Only content creators bully pat that much

smoky halo
civic bear
#

what are those

#

never played such stage

#

fodder stage smh

flat sapphire
nocturne cove
#

my yt feed doesnt even have akstuff-

flat sapphire
celest bluff
#

when did they added this for big enemy

flat sapphire
tidal sedge
#

lol. They went with Fear after all.

smoky halo
#

which enemy is that

lapis hornet
#

some moved to h7-4 now tho UtageSmug

#

h7-1 still a must tho looks like

flat sapphire
civic bear
#

cuz 7-18 is like the bottom line

narrow pendant
#

If the op cant solo 7-18

#

They are trash

smoky halo
#

mlynar trash ril?

#

all ranged ops except ling ela and wis trash ril?

nocturne cove
#

well that doesnt dictate much about the ops usefulness cuz some ops are cc and util based

#

solo is asking for too much

#

it's skill dependant

nocturne cove
#

no riyal

smoky halo
#

it was sarcasm 🥹

nocturne cove
#

ik

celest bluff
#

Honestly using Patriot as punching bag is kind of ironic

nocturne cove
#

let him just rest

smoky halo
#

we should test on ch13 boss instead (without minecart)

glass monolith
regal frost
#

how much attack speed was that?

full terrace
hazy sinew
glass monolith
fresh jewel
#

can anyone rate this team from 1 to 10? and if possible give any tips on how to improve it

Caster: Logos (Skill 1 and 3) - Nuke & wave destroyer
Caster: Lapalter ???
Vanguard: Ines - DP generator
Sniper: Wis’adel (Skill 3) - Wave destroyer
Sniper: Typhon - Anti air unit
Medic: eyjalter ???
Defender: Saria - Defender and healer
Guard: Degen ???
Guard: Mlynar ???
Specialist: Texalter ???
Specialist: Ascalon ???
Support: Skadi the corrupting heart - Aoe healer/bufferù

lapis hornet
#

10/10 if you can beat the stage with it 1/10 if you can't

fresh jewel
lapis hornet
#

uh

hearty bridge
lapis hornet
#

aks more about doing with what you have, or if you have everything using what fits map best

fresh jewel
lapis hornet
#

ofc normal events can usually be bruteforced, like your ??? are all good units idk what to say

hearty bridge
#

But you have very powerful ops, Wis, Typhon, logos and Ines are very meta for all game modes

lapis hornet
#

tbh.tho

#

looks likes you're just going down tier list and stacking "meta"

lapis hornet
#

which is like you can only do so much dmg

fresh jewel
lapis hornet
#

yeah don't sweat it

#

you have wis logos alr should be enough to carry you through most stuff

#

just build up at your pace

tribal pebble
#

Tbh Wis and 4* alone can clear most of the game

hearty bridge
# fresh jewel yeah kinda

You will get to a point where you will take Wis out of your teams and only use her when your really stuck, she is actually insane as a boss killer and mob killer and far outshines any other op and can carry any team to finish a stage. I only put her in when I'm really stuck on a stage and don't want to spend hours working it out

hearty bridge
rocky kelp
lapis hornet
#

the thing with your proposed team also us that it includes old limited

#

honestly I don't recommend sparking for anything unless you're already close to 300 or you swipe

fresh jewel
fresh jewel
lapis hornet
#

just pull new stuff we'll get better stuff in time

#

even wis you'll forget in 2 years tops probs

hearty bridge
#

Degen and Ulpi are both really good Ulpi is a heavy hitting tank and degen melts enemies with her skill, you can't go wrong with either

rocky kelp
# fresh jewel about this, should i pull ulpi and use it instead of degenbreacher in my team?

thats exactly my point actually, you dont have any good way to get degen, so even if they were similar then ulpi would be a much better option for you since you have no way to get degen

but they are not the same unit, and ulpi is his own operator, if you want him you should pull for him. he is pretty good, he is also pog in is5 too since I think you asked about that earlier

hearty bridge
#

Ulpi is far better with Gladia tho

rocky kelp
#

better than degen in is5 for example

lapis hornet
#

i actually hardly use degen lol

rocky kelp
#

me too

fresh jewel
rocky kelp
#

he is still good

#

and still the best guard in is5

fresh jewel
#

how is he against bosses?

rocky kelp
#

if its a boss who one shots he is meh, if its a low dmg boss without dmg resistance then he murders them in 1v1

hearty bridge
fresh jewel
#

oh i see

lapis hornet
#

depends on boss mechanics he's a high ceiling unit

#

possibly lower floor than nobrain stuff tho

hearty bridge
#

With Gladia he is actually broken tho

#

Well with her mod

lapis hornet
#

yes you can run gladiia with him but that's a whole e2+12 mod blocks

#

can also just use medic

hearty bridge
#

Or borrow one

fresh jewel
#

what's gladia role?

rocky kelp
# fresh jewel what's gladia role?

she is a puller, she is often used as a pseudo laneholder and has some niche uses. anyway there is no harm in building her

even if you dont get her mod her talent still buffs ulpi alot

#

her mod is something you should get tho

lapis hornet
#

wdf

#

she's more like

#

you put her in to buff ulpi and try to find a spot for her since you have to

#

on her own she's whatever

rocky kelp
#

well i mean the whole point is that she is versatile

#

if someone doesnt have alot of units built

remote perch
#

If you aren't gonna get Gladiia module, why bother bringing her lol
might as well bring a medic

rocky kelp
#

she can hold a lane, be a vg, be a puller, has a stall skill, heals, can be a ranged tank

remote perch
#

Since all she's gonna give is regen, without the DR she gives, she doesn't really give much to AH

rocky kelp
#

because if they are not in end game content she is still useful

hearty bridge
#

She has block 2 attacks are ranged and crowd control she is not insane bemut she is easy to put into a yeamy

remote perch
#

ye and her dmg is mid

rocky kelp
#

he isnt dying just because of no dr

#

if we are talking about endgame content this is obviously a different conversation

remote perch
#

or you can just use a medic who can do much more than healing 1 unit, and cheaper too since you aren't building a 6* resources

rocky kelp
#

and then you dont have an extra blocker who can function as so many different things

#

you can do either

#

there is no harm in building her

remote perch
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You either bring her with her module or just don't bring her at all, Gladiia is such a shitty lane holder that its waste bringing her even if she can't even buff properly

rocky kelp
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i never said she was a good laneholder

i said she can function as one.

would you rather have ulpi have healing and have a bad laneholder/ anything else I said that can be useful in many scenarios
or you can have sus healing him

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both work

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both cost 2 deploy space

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2 squad space

acoustic slate
glad forge
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i love how most people are mind controlled to think ulpipi is useless without gladiia

jovial nest
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I highly value the opinion of the CN player who breathes IS D15s as their main gameplay. And they say that Ulp without Gladiia is still solid

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also considering that Shu is a mainstay in my default squad, that already solves Ulp's issues for me imo

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shelter, HoT, and direct healing alongside a lane buddy

full terrace
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Yep done

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BP-EX-7 is actually fun

jovial nest
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MY EYES!

true mango
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Hi is thorns module worth it or has he been powercrept too hard

smoky halo
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his mod improves his performance a lot

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he still falls short of better ops like exec ulpi or zuo

true mango
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😔

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Exec alter?

smoky halo
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ya

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5star exec is stinky joyplush

true mango
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Can exec hit air units?

smoky halo
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no

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none of those hit air