strategy

[tribal locust]

yes and it'll slowly spread to other tiles so the boss stage is a dps race

[zinc flume]

Yeah, it's called cocoon tho

[trail spear]

Yeah thats what I thought

Anyways my plan is to texalter+surtr phase 1, w alter phase 2, but whats the best way to get rid of the balls

[tribal locust]

🤦‍♀️

reverse

[stable pewter]

I see, I guess that will wait till tomorrow then cause I have no resources now 🥲 What is the best way to get LMD (or whatever it's called) besides the base?

[tribal locust]

physical dps in p1, arts dps in p2

[zinc flume]

Block the balls to get rid of them

[tribal locust]

just the base

[trail spear]

How would I know

If I knew ts I wouldnt of asked 😭

[zinc flume]

Putting an operator on the surrounding 8 tiles to theresa is enough for the operator to get hit by them and get rid of them

[tribal locust]

by reading her skill description like anyone who have common sense would

[trail spear]

So like throw down saria or someone tanky to eat them while my dpses nuke the boss

[shy viper]

@trail spear let me guide you

[stable pewter]

So I should use my sanity for now to level up the base the sooner the better?

[tribal locust]

ye its your main source of lmd and exp cards

[zinc flume]

Yeah, but you want to save most of your dps for 2nd phase, 1st phase can be soloed by wis just fine

[shy viper]

for phase 1 she cocoon the op that got her below 50% hp after raising her hand, and when she is recovering for phase 2 she will cocoon the last operator you deployed. that simple @trail spear

[tribal locust]

Phase 1: block the balls then use physical dps
Phase 2: block the balls and use arts or true dmg dps

[stable pewter]

Ok 2-7 will have to wait then lol
Thanks guys!
Btw besides Shaw and Fang, anyone else you guys would recommend me to focus on? I'm considering just waiting for Wisadel and Logos cause mfs are too expensive rn

[tribal locust]

how many pioneer vanguards you have? got Scavenger?

[trail spear]

Ok so if I am using w alter to kill her, when she gets her half wont I need to retreat her meaning w alter cant solo

[tribal locust]

she can solo, you just need some1 else to block the balls. That some1 will also be the one to get targeted by the stun which youll have to retreat later on.

[trail spear]

Ok I got an idea

[shy viper]

i said what i got to say

[lofty stag]

see this is why i brute force

so i dont gotta worry about the intricacies of stage mechanics

[tribal locust]

blind runs can only take you so far

[stable pewter]

Courier, Scavenger, Fang and Vanilla

[trail spear]

Aint no way you brute forced this 😭

[shy viper]

not sure if yato alter immunity work against cocoon but would be fun if she do

[lofty stag]

thats why i brute force harder (then watch a guide vid when im out of irl sanity )

[shy viper]

then she get cocoon

[lofty stag]

i absolutely did

[shy viper]

[trail spear]

It doesnt

[lofty stag]

would not recommend

[trail spear]

Honestly yato alter is not very good for this

[tribal locust]

raise scavenger, courier, and fang

[trail spear]

She dies in 1 hit from everything

[lofty stag]

yalter literally carried

for me at least

[trail spear]

Maybe I am using her wrong

My texas alter does better pretty much always

[lofty stag]

oooh cause im using s3

so i delete the stun from multiple ops

allowing them to dmg theresa again

[trail spear]

Yeah I use s2

[lofty stag]

then pray one of them removes yato stun

[tribal locust]

generally, you'd only need flag vanguard and bagpipe as vanguards but newbie stages are notorious for having early rushes that demand pioneers to hold the lane

[lofty stag]

Yeah I used this squad and a support s3m3 mod3 logos for h14-4

epitome of random bullshit go

[stable pewter]

Got it! I guess I will also raise Jessica since Kroos and Wis'adel are my only built snipers

[tribal locust]

this is what i used in the stage. I just used true dmg to lanehold both blue boxes coz of the shield dudes that are tanky

[trail spear]

Team I am trying rn

[lofty stag]

no virt? for the sheild guys?

[tribal locust]

didnt need to

[trail spear]

Realizing when Theresa targets W Alter's summon thing it stuns W alter

[tribal locust]

I have virtuosa raised but i use her too often that it gets old very fast

[lofty stag]

fair, opposite for me, use her so rarely that it was fun to use her again

[tribal locust]

nice

[lofty stag]

prolly gonna bench her again cuz logoat is a mini virt

[trail spear]

I keep on forgetting to retreat my units 💔

[shy viper]

bring kaltsit and it should be relatively easier

[tribal locust]

lineup

[glass monolith]

What kind of content offended you that hard

[shy viper]

who

[trail spear]

Only just got her so shes e1 lvl80 💔

[shy viper]

that works

[trail spear]

No trust

I got the strat

I can steam it bro its this attempt

😈

[tribal locust]

good luck

[shy viper]

[trail spear]

Sooooo I forgot to replace the unit blocking the balls

0_0

[shy viper]

[trail spear]

I was wondering why she was still half while W alter having only 1 more shot left

[shy viper]

i knew you would get back with the win

wouldn't*

just keep trying

[trail spear]

Keep hating it will fuel my sucess

[shy viper]

you will figure out eventually

no time to hate

i got to play my own

[trail spear]

I have realized I gotta place my ops closer

Nevermind it does nothing

WHY DID SHE STUN MY W ALTER???

[glass monolith]

She stunned i assume you had degen there, and one character with HALF FUCKING MAP AOE happened to kill cacoon

[trail spear]

I retreated degen

[glass monolith]

W probably killed it as soon as it spawned. The end

[trail spear]

If it spawned then I couldnt retreat degen no?

[glass monolith]

Which part of W attack killed it as soon as it spawned, perhaps even as result of splash from attacking Theresa dumb face do i need to explain in frame perfect details?

[trail spear]

This is the setup I had (on a new attempt now)

[trail spear]

But I retreated degen so it wouldnt of spawned no?

[glass monolith]

PERHAPS BECAUSE H STAGE SPAWN IT AT DIFFERENT HP % YOU DIDT RETREAT SO W KILLED IT

BOSS LITERALLY CANT SPAWN IT OUTSIDE 8 TILES AROUND HER

Unless pissed ground spread but then we would see it

[trail spear]

I was told at 50% I was lied to now realizing

[glass monolith]

It is 50% on 14-21, welcome to H

[trail spear]

Dw I have been doing it for almost an hour

[glass monolith]

why not bait balls with Texas alter, much more spamable for retreats

[trail spear]

Because I use degen to kill the dudes around anyways

[glass monolith]

Shu, thorns, and Shu block in range of W aoe-ing

anyways im off

[tribal locust]

you dont need to kill the dudes. As long as theresa dies, the stage ends.

[trail spear]

Wait what

[tribal locust]

just use a FRD to block balls

i used texalt and shu interchangeably

[trail spear]

Is there any way to save this

Idk what went wrong but something did

[tawdry path]

nah thats hard to salvage

[tribal locust]

try just using 1x speed so you have more control on whats going on

[trail spear]

Oh I have been

Well knowing I just have to kill Theresa makes a big difference

[tribal locust]

you only have trouble in p2? or also in p1?

[trail spear]

That was my first time in p2

[tribal locust]

in p2, her default animation is her hand raised already but once she cast the cocoon she'll lower her hand and raise it again. Watch out for that.

[shy viper]

oh you are doing the h

[trail spear]

😭

[shy viper]

but

should be easy

[trail spear]

Rude

[shy viper]

lies

[tribal locust]

yshould replace horn, shes useless in that squad

amiya s3 will have more use than horn there

[trail spear]

What is amiya s3 doing for me

[tribal locust]

true dmg to nuke theresa p2

[trail spear]

SHE DIDNT RAISE HER HAND

😭

[cyan gorge]

There should be a sound cue as well

[trail spear]

Ill just bring hoederer

[trail spear]

I play muted to listen to music

:3

[cyan gorge]

That's the only way I could clear cause I'm too blind to see a hand movement on a tiny ass phone screen

[trail spear]

Im playing on pc so thats not an issue thank god

Ok so I figured it out

When W alter nukes Theresa it stuns her or sum which stops the hand up movement but still does the cocoon

Ok so good news

Phase 2

Bad news

W alter is stunned

Pls spoonfeed me the solution 💔

[cyan gorge]

Don't use Degen for orb duty

use gravel or smth

[trail spear]

I use her to also clear out the enemys

[tawdry path]

bro surtr army might be easier to do

[cyan gorge]

As long as she's in Wis splash range, she'll always get cocooned if Degen gets it

[flat sapphire]

U can put a sniper or something up top to take stun from wadel

[tawdry path]

also that's a bad spot for wisadel

[trail spear]

Bro I am trying surtr army for phase 2

IT DOES NO DAMAGE

😭

[tawdry path]

since P2 would spawn cocoon tiles on bottom right

[tawdry path]

where's your warfarin and stainless buff bro

[trail spear]

All it did

[trail spear]

Ok I aint going that far deep

Texas and Surtr should do the trick

But it literally tickled her

[flat sapphire]

Surtr army no warf no aak?

[tawdry path]

yeah you'll need more then that

[flat sapphire]

Maybe suzu too

[tawdry path]

Try getting reedic S2 on borrow

[trail spear]

Well if I dont use degen to tank ig I can borrow someone else

[flat sapphire]

Also why is ur saria s1 if u want to buff surtr lmao

[trail spear]

Hoederer did no damage

[trail spear]

I was using her as a meatshield

Not as a buff

[flat sapphire]

Then it ain't a surtr buff army

U haven't tried yet

[cyan gorge]

I used Reedic, Tex, Ifrit and boss got deleted

[trail spear]

Will e1 lvl60 gravel work 😭

[tawdry path]

nah

[flat sapphire]

Ifrit prob the easiest way to do it ye

[trail spear]

Ifrit s3 I assume

[flat sapphire]

Even s2

[cyan gorge]

I brought s2

[flat sapphire]

U just need to make sure to tank orbs

[cyan gorge]

I was referencing an afk clear

[drowsy phoenix]

Pr-b2- this team i trying vut aint working

[tawdry path]

where are you dying on it

[gilded oyster]

So I beat patriot I used penance n w was super easy with penance n jus put cuora on the mortars n ascalon

[flat sapphire]

Yeh patriot is oldge news

[gilded oyster]

I prob woulda been stuck for a while if I did it the way to wait to get him on that freakin tile

[flat sapphire]

Try the stage with ops pre-mountain

[gilded oyster]

[trail spear]

This stage is so frustrating because W alter stun fucks up the animation for the cocoon

[gilded oyster]

Pre mountain you have to “activate melantha skill here “

[flat sapphire]

Why is that a problem

U can just transfer the cocoon

[trail spear]

So now I dont know when to undeploy my ops

[flat sapphire]

U using a guide?

[trail spear]

Yeah scroll up

This chat has been my guide

[flat sapphire]

Just use a different indicator? Enemy count or a diff enemy position or something?

[trail spear]

Not that simple

[tawdry path]

why don't you like, break your ops outta cocoon

[flat sapphire]

[flat sapphire]

It's literally just use any range op to steal cocoon

[drowsy phoenix]

Aw early drones

[tawdry path]

Kroos Walter doesn't kill?

[flat sapphire]

Wadel don't hit drones lmao

[tawdry path]

Oh yeah

oop!

do you have krooster then

Kroos, krooster, and some vg on early so you wouldn't be broke on dp

atleast to block

actually Andreana should work on practice

[tawdry path]

Sorry bro I got S3 pilled

[flat sapphire]

[drowsy phoenix]

Do i but her on the left,side or right

[tawdry path]

Drones come from the middle anyway, though there's the boss drone so put your snipers in healing range

[drowsy phoenix]

Ok let me try

[trail spear]

Ok I hit phase 2 without stunning my W alter

THIS GOTTTA BE THE RUN

FREE ME!

[tawdry path]

now you jump her

[trail spear]

So like reed alter bottom place surtr and wait for texas alter then pop all the skills

Like do I gotta worry about stun at all or will that do the trick

[tawdry path]

you pray that will do the trick before cocoon fucks you over

[trail spear]

Well I gotta wait 8 seconds for texas alter 🙏

[drowsy phoenix]

Look at the drones

Capper aint targeting them

[tawdry path]

that's cause she's E1

why not andreana

[drowsy phoenix]

Oh

[trail spear]

???

WHY IS THE STAGE NOT OVER

[drowsy phoenix]

Idk if i have that person

[trail spear]

Ok it did end

[tawdry path]

It's the blue hair lady you have

[trail spear]

Like 1 second later I would of leaked

[tawdry path]

Gee gee!

[tribal locust]

ggwp

[drowsy phoenix]

Aw

Ok

[ripe girder]

Binded. Stunned. Recieving both types of damage. Slowed. Yes. I think i bullied them enough

[drowsy phoenix]

Can i change capper for her

[tawdry path]

sure

do you have any 6*

[tribal locust]

you can use Arene to help kill the drones. He has a talent that makes him deal bonus dmg to drones

[drowsy phoenix]

Yea

Byt its a block 1 which keeps making me lose

[tawdry path]

is it eunectus

[drowsy phoenix]

Who

[drowsy phoenix]

No

[tribal locust]

probably a dreadnought

[tribal locust]

arene, 4* lord guard

[drowsy phoenix]

Yeah what about him

[tribal locust]

read again

[drowsy phoenix]

Its the drones

[drowsy phoenix]

What

I give up

W aint killing a drone

[tawdry path]

well gl bro

[thorn mural]

What's the trick for Theresa in 14-21? Is there anyway to avoid stunning the whole field?

[tawdry path]

ops getting stunned is inevitable, the solution is pretty much attacking stunned operators to set them free

[fiery marsh]

And just kill her her the fastest possible. If you make her go to third phase the stage just ends

[pearl musk]

One guardian defender is enough to lane hold

Use damage ops to kill the guards surrounding theresa, then put down one tanky op to eat Theresa's orbs
Then unload damage unto theresa

[thorn mural]

Thanks!

[vocal leaf]

remove the operator within 8 tiles around her when she hits like 50% hp, during p1, she does a little sound before putting the cocoon on that operator, then put someone back to finish p1 and burst her down during p2 while blocking the orbs

[modern plover]

https://youtu.be/jCB5Z4tp218?si=D1jQGiGixIJmKVO7

One of those niches that only pozy can pull it off

[pure orchid]

thats a clean pozy clear, wowa

i always knew summons were particularly good here cus you can just retreat the operator and you will also retreat the summon

but pozy does that while also dealing decent damage

and i dont quite understand why but for some reason you can also retreat pozy typewriter here, not sure if you can do the same for other summons (like wis, ling, maggie, etc)

[wide sail]

no pozy summon is just based

untargetable mfs be like

[pure orchid]

oh its untargetable? awesome

i wanna try with weedy summon

[wide sail]

o yea that probably work aswell

though it probably take forever to kill it

[pure orchid]

but then weedy isnt really that useful here, aside from maybe the true dmg push for shielders

skalter s3 works too

but the range is less than desirable

im not sure if you can retreat degen before her s3 ends to move cocoon

you cant lol

chen tho

nope

they both basically disappear during skill duration but still cant be retreated 🚮

[brisk kraken]

Should logos M3 skill 1 or 3?

[foggy grove]

if you use it for afk

it's pretty noticable increase

[civic bear]

You can retreat as soon as cocoon get killed

Works on any op

There's a bit of delay before the cocoon fully transferred

[pure orchid]

ive been sitting on the retreat button but i couldnt do it

[wraith herald]

so cocoon doesnt get killed, it gets transferred to the op that destroyed it.

says in her description

[forest bronze]

That’s only if you dont retreat the op

Before the cocoon animation finishes

But yes, it does get transferred if you dont retreat

Pretty annoying

[civic bear]

https://b23.tv/Zlk5irq

Time 7:47

[pure orchid]

jeez the timing is really tight

i definitely cant do that

[split cloak]

Chat tips for WD EX 8 CM? The tile restrictions are annoying, can't just do 1 blocker

[pure orchid]

Your roster, now!!!

[split cloak]

Oh god.. i will be called skill issue

Gimme a sec

[narrow pendant]

Get better

[wraith herald]

ssssssssssssskilll issssssue

[split cloak]

Sorry skill issue. Boss smoke is inconsistent i cant predict it

[wraith herald]

smoke? the emperor's blade?

[narrow pendant]

The smoke is actually consistent and u can control it

[wraith herald]

are we talking about ursus darth vader enemy?

[split cloak]

Idk, he just chucked the smoke opposite side of the map to my ray back when i beat the normal stage

[wraith herald]

who is this smoke guy we're talking about?

[wraith herald]

was she the last deployed op?

[nocturne cove]

My penance kept dying and unable to kill mob cuz necrosis started ticking, maybe my logos skill activation was at wrong timinga

I added more dps by using degen

[split cloak]

The boss

[nocturne cove]

And bait matterhorn

For cannon

It worked

Thanks

[split cloak]

I think so. Boss was in te middle spawn and ray was on the far right

[wraith herald]

which boss? I only know of the emperor's blade who chucks black smoke on tiles permanently

and gets a shield or damage reduction when inside his own smoke

[split cloak]

That’s the guy i think

[wraith herald]

When the Pursuer loses 50% of his maximum HP, he creates a patch of black mist covering a radius of 1.8 tiles centered on the friendly unit who has dealt the most damage towards the Pursuer from anywhere on the map after a delay of 1.45 seconds, dealing Arts damage equal to the Pursuer's ATK towards friendlies inside the Dominion when the mist appears. The Dominion reduces the ASPD of friendlies within by 50 and halves the Physical and Arts damage taken by the Pursuer while he is inside (indicated by a dark barrier surrounding him); both effects do not stack if multiple Dominions overlap on one friendly or the Pursuer.

@split cloak he will chuck smoke at the op who dealt the most damage to him

[split cloak]

Hah that’s why he chucked that smoke on the other side of the world. Ray too stronj for him. Thank you

[wraith herald]

so ray was obvious ...

you may need to switch damage dealers

[split cloak]

Ig I have logos and wis now. Now just to deal with the drone and enemies

[wraith herald]

Collapsing Fear: A pulse that deals Arts damage equal to the Pursuer's ATK towards friendly units in a radius of 2 tiles around him and instantly KOs those inside Dominions, even if their HP cannot be reduced below a certain amount, with a cooldown of 20 seconds from when the Pursuer spawns.
When his HP reaches 0 for the first time, the Pursuer will use a Collapsing Fear that hits all friendly units before reviving himself by fully restoring his HP over 7.2 seconds during which he is invulnerable and disabled. After being revived, the Pursuer enters the second phase, signified by his glowing red eyes and black mists emanating around him, with the following properties:

@split cloak the boss does this, right?

[pure orchid]

mountain one side, ela another
throw some random shit in the middle, maybe wis
degen will solo boss

degen will ignore smoke in s3

you could also borrow yato
she unloads on boss and disappear so technically ignore smoke too

[split cloak]

Yeah but that didn’t get me cuz i was using surtr on phase 1 and ray on phase 2

[split cloak]

Oh thanks mechanics ignorer hahaha

[nocturne cove]

And to bait dominion just use gravel as last deployed

[tiny ore]

Guys Im looking for tips to beat Patriot. Here is my current roster (probably will replace midnight with mousse to deal with the mortars during Patriots second phase).

[nocturne cove]

Penance or Zuo le solos it

[pure orchid]

let me see degen s3 on wd

[foggy grove]

degen is pretty easy

he is not valid target for fart with her iframe

[tiny ore]

I wanna clear with my own units first before resorting to Penance or Zuo Le

[pure orchid]

in theory yeah, i just havent seen it myself yet

[wraith herald]

Are there any higher end ops? U only have one healer?

[pure orchid]

cus i cleared this a long time ago

[foggy grove]

so just throw frd somewhere to bait the fart

[pure orchid]

the concept is similar to chen clears way back then

[split cloak]

Aight thanks guys. I’mma beat it later after lunch

[nocturne cove]

Well

With the ops you have

Try to end his phase 1 with mines

And phase 2 burst down with ela

idk if she can do it

Lemme try

[pure orchid]

for some reason my general team isnt enough for wd-ex

theres dogs coming from all sorts of angles

and my ascalon isnt built

[narrow pendant]

There solo ela clear for patrick

[pure orchid]

tho i guess that was my problem back then too

[analog kiln]

mtn s3 opener on wd-ex-8 :ya:

[split cloak]

Ooh ill try her out. That’s the other issue too. Cant use 1 blocker in the middle

[pure orchid]

wow

[split cloak]

Go back to sleep fredi

[narrow pendant]

[split cloak]

Drunk texting

[narrow pendant]

Its just 4am

[nocturne cove]

It's fun to see people who have completely cleared the game struggle

[split cloak]

Bro

[tiny ore]

I’ll send all of the ops I have. Give me a sec but I jave fairly limited options

[nocturne cove]

[pure orchid]

struggling is fun

[analog kiln]

no its not when its wis rng that ur struggling

[narrow pendant]

True, especialy when u struggle in bed

[split cloak]

I miss those days when I can sleep on 5 or 6 am

[analog kiln]

why does wis have 89789454198489477451 rng shit

shit ass operator

[split cloak]

I can make you feel the struggle on the bed

[pure orchid]

can yall believe this roster struggles against an old event like wd

[split cloak]

Watch dragon gjy. He explains it

[narrow pendant]

Skill issue

[pure orchid]

I have better options if i change my team but my general team struggle

[analog kiln]

no I know why it has so much rng
but like why does it have to have so much rng smh
cockblocked from h14-2 1op

also cant u just spam yato on eb until he dies

[pure orchid]

eb is worthless

[smoky halo]

wtf..

[pure orchid]

what im having trouble is dogs

[smoky halo]

[foggy grove]

dogs in 2024

[pure orchid]

aw man i dont have enough sanity to see what my autodeploy looked like

[split cloak]

Youre gay if you cant make gay jokes

[zinc flume]

don't you have mountain

[pure orchid]

#strategy message

[zinc flume]

just change your squad, you literally have an e0 logos on your general squad wtf

[pure orchid]

yeah i know but its just food for thought

rather than an actual problem for me

[tiny ore]

So heres my current roster, obviously if I have the resources I can just build Logos, use S3 and Patrick will die in a few hits but hits mats are unlocked behind chp 13 I believe

[pure orchid]

i built my general squad to not require changing in like 99% of stages, and yet it struggles on an old event like WD

though tbf if ascalon were built, id be balling

[split cloak]

Check IS for mats. Not sure if it has the new ones

[pure orchid]

Ines solves most vanguard needs
Modern map design usually has 3 lanes at most so i have 3 laneholders (degen sorta counts for me)
Physical > arts so we have wis/mlynar/chalter, but having some arts is still nice
Yato is my panic button

Skalter could be replaced by a medic, but i like her
Suzu could be replaced by ela, but i like her too

[zinc flume]

I just change my squad according to the stage, no harm in just trying things out then choosing accordingly

[pure orchid]

Jessica used to be in degen slot in case i need to tank something, but i figured ill just kill faster until i cant

Oh i dont particularly oppose adjusting to the stage, I just like having a one size fits all squad in case i dont want to think

Only the good stages deserve a taste of my brain or sum shit like that

[analog kiln]

its fun to play with locked squad

have to do weird shit sometimes to force it to work

[pure orchid]

in a way it feels like nicheknights fr

just not so niche

[foggy grove]

i just use the new unit and some random goober
like on babel i used my e2 aroma and odda

[zinc flume]

So are you done yet with wdex8

[pure orchid]

my gen squad completed all of ch14 up to h14-2, was fun

[split cloak]

Beaaaarsss

[pure orchid]

me? a long time ago
its @split cloak that needs to clear it

[split cloak]

I forgot ela can be on melee tile

[pure orchid]

thats why she can plug one lane there

ela left, mountain right

[zinc flume]

Oh he's the one who's doing the clear

[pure orchid]

ela will also deal with drone for you

[zinc flume]

I thought it was you lol

[pure orchid]

nah im good

[split cloak]

Im glad losing eats 1 brain cell now

[exotic thicket]

I almost forgot fr mainly because I still haven’t gotten her module 😭 not enough trust

[pure orchid]

its been how many months since ela release cmon bro 😭

just put her in the base and call it a day

[split cloak]

Wtfart yato missed the bear. Theres a period of no dmg huh

I thought dmg is instant lol

[pure orchid]

your ascalon is sleeping bro

[analog kiln]

wtf are those positions

[split cloak]

Cd just refreshed

[split cloak]

Lemme cook

[pure orchid]

ray will get eat up by drone btw lol

put right side instead

[analog kiln]

brother just surtr the dogs or something instead of whatever ur doing

[split cloak]

I will put wis and logos on right for phase 2

[zinc flume]

Actually just use saga

[pure orchid]

yo actually

saga s2 middle would be really funny

kick the dwarf out

saga s2 range is chongyue right?

[zinc flume]

Yeah

[pure orchid]

huh, wish i had saga/chongyue

[split cloak]

Dwarf. I did some modification

[pure orchid]

the one with the apple

[zinc flume]

The one who's amigo

[pure orchid]

GREAT SCENERY HERE DOCTOR 🗣️ 🔥

[split cloak]

I think I'll beat it but this is a mess. I'll send this warzone ss

[regal frost]

firewatch time

can't remember if heavyrain works

[zinc flume]

Heavy rain works, just that you still take splash dmg

[pure orchid]

theres a reason shes the welfare for that event

[split cloak]

Not so good looking but whatever works

Battlefield mess

[pure orchid]

amazing warzone

i equally love it when clears are clean or messy

[split cloak]

True. There should be no in between. Only the extremes

[pure orchid]

its the "no diff" and "hard-fought battle"

[split cloak]

Degen wiped the boss phase 2 tho like damn

[pure orchid]

told ya

you could do the same thing with chen + warf back then

good times

[split cloak]

That was the strat huh old man

[pure orchid]

Yeah im old 👴

[split cloak]

Thanks for the help strat gremlins

[narrow pendant]

Did i hesr someone wanting chong

[pure orchid]

yes...

quitting did a number on my collection

the range could have some fun application

[full terrace]

😷

Ines too powerful I dont feel like raising any other Vanguards. Maybe Vulpisfoglia later.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DjWKPX44Bg0&pp=ygUcYXJrbmlnaHRzIHVwY29taW5nIG9wZXJhdG9ycw%3D%3D operators after Wisadel

[pure orchid]

is storn good

their videos seem clickbaity

[wind fiber]

How doable is this

My first clear

Idk what’s in that stage

[foggy grove]

clickbait sells

but outside of that he is good ye

[keen gull]

Pretty valid take ngl

[full terrace]

I ignore his opinions and only see his showcase of upcoming operators' skills and talents 😂

[regal frost]

the rankings seem fine overall

[narrow pendant]

Pretty winabale id say

[narrow pendant]

and then theres me, who has him

[wind fiber]

Lol right side was a total fumble

Im losing cause of the right side

Das crazy man

[limpid siren]

Yea

[regal frost]

what diff

[sick knoll]

would have won if healer + ethan on right side

[narrow pendant]

I mean
Tifon wasnt doing anything since boss died

Retreat her and reposition for the right

[wind fiber]

nothing

but was too late

like bro how do i know there would spawn

[spark sinew]

i always wonder why you guys put typhon on that tile

[narrow pendant]

[wind fiber]

thios many big beaters

on the right

thats crazy bro

😂

[spark sinew]

seems like a giant waste regardless

[wind fiber]

i got trolled

[spark sinew]

i mean what else is the red box for....

[wind fiber]

usually boxes like this spawn long range casters

[narrow pendant]

When are we getting a red box for decoration
Would be pretty funny to troll mayhaps

[wind fiber]

idk this IS was literal torture

high tiles are shite

low tiles are shite

[full terrace]

I dont agree with a lot of things Storn said and his tierlists. People who compare units by purposely making the stronger units look weak by removing modules etc dont really showcase the strength of the unit in my opinion, and the guy did that a lot.

[analog kiln]

wait till this dude experiences ice cold image

[regal frost]

ra thief raid, enemies enter map from blue box

[full terrace]

I do love him showcasing the future operators talents and skills tho, so I'm not totally against his videos

[spark sinew]

ra thief thingy is just flavor

they go from you, so game effectively swaps red and blue boxes

[foggy grove]

storn has tierlist?

[full terrace]

He makes a lot of tierlists

[analog kiln]

tierlists are good content :ya:

[narrow pendant]

Bad Tierlists -> people watch and comment how bad it is -> other people disagree with that -> views

Mans a genius

[keen gull]

I like tierlist

Whatever they cook is fine

[limpid siren]

This works regardless of the quality

[acoustic slate]

Logos at the top

[keen gull]

Sadge

[foggy grove]

i only saw ranking of future ops for pulling consideration

which you can agree or disagree

but he has valid takes on that

[narrow pendant]

I heard logos can do 999999 true dmg, how broken is that chat

[keen gull]

I dont have him

Idk

[acoustic slate]

Actually 9999999

[regal frost]

[spark sinew]

putting something you (as in, the creator of tierlist) don't agree with in tierlist is a classic

[pure orchid]

grrrr

[spark sinew]

I'm convinced everyone does it (from people doing CC)

[regal frost]

why does cn verification take so long

I'm gonna miss lap banner at this rate

[lethal dragon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1302900395512696854.png?quality=lossless&name=Tericinema&size=64

[regal frost]

[lethal dragon]

Can he solo arknightsu

[acoustic slate]

Imagine suzumomless…

[narrow pendant]

They are pre-locking yoir residential area for a missile

Just in case

[pure orchid]

I have a missile but no launching platform, am I a threat to national security?

[regal frost]

sounds fun

[analog kiln]

he can do way more than that

[regal frost]

ofc

[analog kiln]

thats one hit btw, it just breaks since game cant put more than 5 digits in one line

:ya:

[pure orchid]

[lethal dragon]

Looks Mid

[narrow pendant]

Is that civilight already or something?

[pure orchid]

logosi smid true

[analog kiln]

ye civilight eterna

[narrow pendant]

Wao

To get it on like f2 is funny

[drowsy jewel]

thats f1

[analog kiln]

its kal monthly

u start with it

[narrow pendant]

[lethal dragon]

Lol

[narrow pendant]

Bruhs

[narrow pendant]

Shut up nonsenz, go farm your poly

[drowsy jewel]

nope!

[full terrace]

That upcoming Icebreaker game how does it work? Do we take turns deploying?

[drowsy jewel]

and i didnt get an answer

[narrow pendant]

Nah

[analog kiln]

heard icebreaker is pvp

[narrow pendant]

Just, 2 players on 1 map

Each with seperate life points and dp

[pure orchid]

Dont we do that all the time tho

[narrow pendant]

Its on the bed with us, not map dummy

[pure orchid]

I consider the bed a map

[lethal dragon]

......

[regal frost]

this is normal behaviour, you'll get used to it

[lethal dragon]

Felt the cringe in bones

[regal frost]

btw do you play cn

[lethal dragon]

Oh right you were asking for verification process

[regal frost]

oh I got it now

but uh

idk what to do lol

[lethal dragon]

I lost my built account
Have one more but don't feel like playing

[lethal dragon]

Newbie pain

[regal frost]

the id number thing is censored

and I can't copy and paste

[lethal dragon]

😭 wtf

[pure orchid]

This is what my wd-ex 8 looked like

[regal frost]

my brain hurts

[pure orchid]

Even back then, i didnt have medics

[regal frost]

I used support so I can't even check my ex-8 clear smh

[pure orchid]

And skalter exu have been there since the start of time

[split cloak]

Cant see pic. Gym wifi ass feels like mcdonals wifi

[pure orchid]

It was myrtle bagpipe blaze specter silverash thorns mountain saria skalter exu schwarz suzu

Old school af

[regal frost]

@narrow pendant help me work out how bili works

[split cloak]

Who killed phase 1 and phase 2?

[pure orchid]

I dont even remember lmao

Maybe schwarz exu

Specter suzu for stall

[narrow pendant]

What am i? A chinese resident?

[split cloak]

Man dalao. It was a warzone with my new gen ops lol

[regal frost]

no

[regal frost]

Chinese spy

[split cloak]

Pogo

[pure orchid]

Exu with skalter buff go hard

[narrow pendant]

Who snitched

Oh well

[regal frost]

it shouldn't be this hard to find your id

[narrow pendant]

China, nuke this users hometown

[split cloak]

Wis has 6 in stock

[novel flare]

What are you trying to do?

[regal frost]

you say that when I just read that they have my ip address

[narrow pendant]

Ofc they do

[regal frost]

find my bili id

[narrow pendant]

Its gow they work

[regal frost]

I got verified but my id rn is censored

I'm confused

unless I copy and paste it censored?

[novel flare]

I'd ask my gf but she's sleeping

I don't have an account but I use it sometime so I don't know myself

[regal frost]

I'll ask rihq

[split cloak]

Wake her up smh

[novel flare]

She'd probably be upset that I couldn't figure out myself.

[lethal dragon]

Lol I too used schwarz back then

[novel flare]

Chinese women are scary when they don't get their sleep. Especially if it's to ask her about games.

[split cloak]

Aye chill i was just joking

Feels like you're considering it

[novel flare]

I would never risk my life like that.

Although I did try googling your ID issue and it looks like a pain

[regal frost]

I've been verified so technically all the hard stuff is done

I just don't know how to access my id number

[pure orchid]

Just access it

[regal frost]

I thought it would be under certifications

it was grades

[heady hedge]

skill issue

not official

[regal frost]

I got verified for bilibili not biligame lol

this feels unnecessarily complicated

[little gate]

does anyone have any stages they are struggling with and want help?
its honestly fun to do
not like is4 or cc stuff cause fuck that shit
like guy who started a year ago struggling with story/event stages

[pure orchid]

Someone will eventually ask here, we just have to wait

Sometimes people initially ask in #help before getting redirected here

[keen gull]

How 0-1cm

[regal frost]

how to do ap1

[split cloak]

[pure orchid]

This sucks

[regal frost]

I agree

[foggy grove]

do it anyhow for that 1 op

[regal frost]

I tried and failed

[sterile delta]

you should be timing the bombs so they hit the altars basically as soon as the left group is dead

[crude bay]

@vital arrow

Ela's there for her mines to speed up left enemy

[forest lagoon]

borrow wisadel that have module

[sterile delta]

wtf are blitz and fuze doing there

[jolly spire]

Try Lin and also logos s1

[crude bay]

No one has her at module rn, that's the best i can find

[regal frost]

r6 simp I guess

[regal frost]

a lot of people have her modded

[jolly spire]

Do you friended them?

[crude bay]

Well, Blitz is just befote attempts
Forgot to take him out of the team, Fuze is pretty good at mob control here

[sterile delta]

are you borrowing from a friend

[crude bay]

Yeah

[crude bay]

Yeah

[vital arrow]

Idk what fuze blitz and phantom are doing there

[forest lagoon]

do u have degen? degen can cheese the enemy leftover

[crude bay]

Idk tbh

[crude bay]

Nope

[vital arrow]

Also lv1 mlynar is sad

[regal frost]

show your other ops

[vital arrow]

Is he m3 at least

[crude bay]

Yeah

[sterile delta]

this stage should be doable with 4 bodies and a wisadel

[crude bay]

Don't worry

[vital arrow]

Raise him to like 40 or something

[crude bay]

No LMD

[regal frost]

ender you've been hanging around in #arknights for too long smh

[vital arrow]

Well would have more if you dont have 3 maxed ops but thats alright

[regal frost]

your base and baseslaves are built right?

[vital arrow]

Anyone else you have

Like show your roster, not just your squad

[crude bay]

Well, here are the E2'd fellas

And some that i marked

[vital arrow]

Thats all.of them?

[crude bay]

Yeah

[vital arrow]

I see exy cropped out there, theres no one else next to her?

[crude bay]

I took a breal for a few months

[vital arrow]

Uh and,,?

Like exy is the only missing one from that?

[crude bay]

[vital arrow]

I was wondering why this is so out of order

[regal frost]

that's a lot of E1 max damn

[vital arrow]

Turns out its sorted by level

[crude bay]

Yeah

[vital arrow]

Sort by rarity next time, easier to read

[crude bay]

Ignore newbie me

[vital arrow]

Ela mlynar jessicalt eyjaberry and a wisadel can solve this easily

Get a modded wisadel

[crude bay]

What does her mod even do

[vital arrow]

50% more dps

[crude bay]

Lemme try and see if someone has her modded

[vital arrow]

Kerf#0066

Your friends must be very inactive if shes unmodded

[crude bay]

Done

[crude bay]

This one is active

Iirc they don't have old W

[forest lagoon]

not maxxed trust probs

[crude bay]

So Wisadel is starting from 0 trust

[vital arrow]

Accepted

[crude bay]

Thanks,

[foggy grove]

active player has modded walter few days ago even if they don't have og w

[scarlet fulcrum]

Ah yeah, even my alt mod her yesterday. Lazy af alt

[hearty bridge]

As someone with limited resources at the moment is it more worth while to mod 3 logos or Walter?

I'm thinking logos gets the better improvements from his mod

Whoops wrong comment section sorry

[spark sinew]

you want to somewhat evenly split it

[spark sinew]

are both at mod2 already

logos gains more, relative to his mod2 form

[scarlet fulcrum]

I think the resources not that limited

well without a doubt id do logos mod3 first

[lyric condor]

Ended up using a Kal'tsit.

[regal frost]

that works too

[regal frost]

@keen mirage or just show your ops here

basically if you burst her down quick enough you basically ignore most of the enemies and her mechanics

[keen mirage]

I cant rn

Time limit💀

On my hp

[regal frost]

huh

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/669489344658014208/1303360335989702786/2024-11-05-14-06-59.mp4?ex=67340a27&is=6732b8a7&hm=717bd53c0c74d21132190d6f845002503bdb263920f9633c16ee05835584bfbb&

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/669489344658014208/1304850199109177344/2024-11-09-16-47-48.mp4?ex=67342fb2&is=6732de32&hm=ac1be68c65bfcbafab9d1c23e62b15f36b701485796c28726a69e840fbcfc53a&

[timber edge]

Any operator can ignore her sleeping status effect?

stun*

[regal frost]

no

but you can retreat before she places she cocoon

I'm just lazy

[keen mirage]

Wait so……i just gotta kill her faster?

[lyric condor]

Just stay outside of the 3x3 area around her.

And then spam her under in the 2nd phase.

Arts / True damage.

[regal frost]

killing her fast just makes life easier

[keen mirage]

Wait i thought 14-21 was the last battle stage? Or is this connected to 14-21

[regal frost]

so you don't have to deal with other enemies

[lyric condor]

The moment Patriot appears.

[regal frost]

this is h14-4

[lyric condor]

[keen mirage]

Oh,ok

[pure orchid]

No but mt/aoe skills that keep going even if stunned is good for cleanup

Examples are degen, texalter, yalter

[timber edge]

Is there good way to beat Talulah's final version? I saw guides showing putting 2 operators to bait her to blow them instead and retreating them

[regal frost]

so many ways

[timber edge]

So i probably have to bring 4 Operators with fast redeployment

[regal frost]

ng borrow

[timber edge]

I tried to tank it too, but waves screw me up. I can't protect both top and bottom

[regal frost]

I'm pretty sussuro and another medic can out heal too

or was it sussuro and 2 other medics

its been a while

[timber edge]

Perfurmer + Eterna gives good amount of healing

Also where should i fight Talulah?

At the very end, near base?

[regal frost]

that's where people used to fight her yeah

idk if things have changed

[pure orchid]

You can camp her top left or bottom left too

[glass monolith]

Doesn't matter where she dies as long as civilians dont

[pure orchid]

Oh i was thinking jt8

[vague widget]

Is there some unit, that I can borrow, to trivialize 9-19? I am having problem with that stage🥲

[glass monolith]

"Cheese" way - stall ground cat (need enough hp/healing to outlive lazer). Kill cat without any towers. Drop all towers on cat. Add 4k damage. Ta-da
Phase 2 unlocks uno reverse to drop tower on you so deploy phase 2 people outside any tower range in advance

[bleak thicket]

hi, i‘ve tried a lot of strats on yt for h14-4, unfortunately none worked for me, idk what i‘m doing wrong a lot of the wisadel strats at a certain point everyone just gets stunned by Theresa (even my snipers who I use to take off the stun)

[lapis hornet]

timing gap

level gap

module gap

rng gap

[civic bear]

screenshot moment before disaster

or your setup when killing her

[nocturne cove]

you still dont have logos? @keen gull

[keen gull]

No

[bleak thicket]

https://youtu.be/d2ESHJRij10?t=1218 using this strat

this squad

[mild wind]

she is dying

why isnt she hitting the thang

oh well, its done anyway

time to move onto H stages

[bleak thicket]

it was probably this lol

did it tho

[patent oracle]

Whats the keypoint to win h4?

[narrow pendant]

@sturdy cairn done
Its not too much of a difference but with mine, patrick died before he could move from the waiting checkpoint rop right of the altar all the time

Yours killed him either a tile after the altar, or close to it. Ppatrick also lived wity like 3% hp sometimes

Altho gotta keep in mind the rng of his 2nd atk

[sturdy cairn]

interesting

not much difference but there's a small gap

[narrow pendant]

Ya

Can try yourself using mine this time

I suffered refreshing support to find yours

[spark sinew]

you can stop "caged tiles" from spreading by using roadblocks

[sturdy cairn]

sea of logos and wis

[steep barn]

Wtf? Does that mean I can lock the ones from the corners by doing that?

[narrow pendant]

Yes?

[scarlet fulcrum]

Transfer and trap yea

During phase1

[simple kettle]

guys who can I swap here for Gladiia if I'm swapping Humus for Ulpianus once he releases?

[scarlet fulcrum]

Flametail steward can out

Gummy also whatever there

[rare wadi]

Need help with 5-3

[vital arrow]

Do you want

The easy way or the hard way

Also use wisadel S2, not her S1

[rare wadi]

Just want to win
Trying for so long but no use

[vital arrow]

Borrow a texalt

[rare wadi]

Going to try, hoping for the best

[foggy grove]

or yato

[tidal sedge]

https://youtu.be/eerwL6PIujY?si=ixJ2tQwHkphNlqfX

how to make this work without typhoon and blaze

[vital arrow]

By not using an afk strat

Youre dismissing the two key ops for afk strats

[tidal sedge]

😦

[vital arrow]

Honestly you can just copy the placement if you have a bit of common sense

[tidal sedge]

i dont

[vital arrow]

Afk strat is easy to adapt

Oh then

Suffer ig

[tidal sedge]

😦

[spark sinew]

yes

[spark sinew]

i would rather swap vanguards or silence/perfurmer before humus

[rare wadi]

I won just with this and in one try, wtf!!

Thank you for that btw

[simple kettle]

imma swap Gladiia for Gummy already, don't Humus and Ulpianus kinda do the same job?

oh wait I mistook vanguards for defenders

but still

[spark sinew]

second vang is a bit redundant

third medic does nothing as well in this comp

[simple kettle]

ah thought reed didn't count much as medic

should I keep Elysium or flammetail?

[spark sinew]

you have wisadel that summons basically 3 defenders (stat wise) that tank rangeds, + ulpian gladiia humus with self heals

so you definitely don't need all 3

[simple kettle]

true I forgot about wisadel

[spark sinew]

i would try to use both and see which one you like more
both have cons

[simple kettle]

mmmm at e1 flammetail feels stronger with the stun and some dmg

but elysium bonus to snipers is nice

[spark sinew]

as others have said, you can also cut steward

and just bruteforce high defense with wisadel and ulpian

[vital arrow]

If you ask me, ely's bonus to snipers are practically nonexistent

[spark sinew]

not like he would do too well anyway

[vital arrow]

Because that would require ely staying on the field

Doing jack all

[simple kettle]

flamme better in your opinion?

[simple kettle]

ye he kinda stinks

[vital arrow]

Early on pioneer+flag is ok

Keeping the flag for whatever reason is sus

Unless you know what youre doing

[spark sinew]

yeah i mean

in a team with wisadel reedic as your damage competition

he would suck in comparison

you probably won't notice him not contributing

[simple kettle]

alright I think I'll send Steward to Brazil

is there any other character I should swap for Flammetail/Elysium?

from these or even upcoming characters

[pure orchid]

I require assistance

I crave for the cat's disappearance

wait nah

i think ray just shoots cat

does she

[scarlet fulcrum]

They plan to get gladiia, still fine tbh

[vital arrow]

Ray or wisadel just kills the cat

Through DR

Wasnt there a walter solo for this stage or something

[scarlet fulcrum]

Ditching flametail kinda whatever

[pure orchid]

Walter solo? that is sad

[vital arrow]

Wait not solo

[pure orchid]

duo?

[vital arrow]

Theres 2 blue boxes

[pure orchid]

yeah i was wondering how

[vital arrow]

But she holds the top left by herself

Forgor whos bottom right

[pure orchid]

ascalon might work

or typhon

any mf that dont block

the results of my last attempt: i cant even see the last enemies

tho this was like a year or two ago

[scarlet fulcrum]

Raise ur e1 workers /basesskills #bot-spam , after that just focus on ur wisadel building

[civic bear]

bro u can win ez just destroy middle pillars. 2nd from left to right, 3rd from left goes up

[scarlet fulcrum]

yeah 2nd phase pillar and poof

[pure orchid]

using pillar

[scarlet fulcrum]

U actually dont need to

With enough dmg

[civic bear]

well you can also not use pillar and just

lane hold bottom right

and top left

its just a 2 lane map

[scarlet fulcrum]

U mentioned Ray and wis ☕

[pure orchid]

id love to try but she takes AGES to fucking spawn for me to even test

[scarlet fulcrum]

I just used buffed flatinum back then and still works

[pure orchid]

no pillar?

[scarlet fulcrum]

What is pillar

[pure orchid]

wtf i just noticed this emoji have horns at the sides

[scarlet fulcrum]

Actually not just flatinum but whatever

Average g*ngbang

[civic bear]

the stage is short af compared to other H stages

[scarlet fulcrum]

Tho if u meant pathing with pillar also forbidden its different case, possible with 2024 ops tbh

[naive oar]

alright what the actual fuck is H14-4
holy mother of god

[narrow pendant]

Probably 2nd Easiest H stage

[wind fiber]

Walter is peak Arknuts experience

[hasty willow]

Help I cant do the patriot stage

The one in ch7

[pure orchid]

roster please

[vital arrow]

we have like 10 different flavors of delete button

borrow one

[pure orchid]

nah lets challenge ourselves as helpers and not make them borrow

[vital arrow]

do you wanna help them with mine placements

[scarlet fulcrum]

Wisadel easiest thing for both normal and CM now

[hasty willow]

Im poor with those tact records

[vital arrow]

borrow a wisadel or mlynar

job done

[hasty willow]

Im doing no borrow ngl

Also

[vital arrow]

then you better study mine placements

[scarlet fulcrum]

Just do mines cheese yea

[pure orchid]

thorns might solo lanehold
pozy will eat patriot, just place some mine

[vital arrow]

because none of your ops can damage patriot phase 1

[hasty willow]

My stuff rarity

[vital arrow]

oh they have pozy

[pure orchid]

amiya s3 dead in the corner

[wind fiber]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/849896332353339433/912736881299566652/325A70E0-7083-4C2C-BF37-BD7B65875ABA.gif

[civic bear]

just mines in patriot paths

[wind fiber]

Amiyii solo patriotto?

[vital arrow]

just mines+pozy s3

amiya solos patriot with mines

[scarlet fulcrum]

ur pfp the infamous amoyai meme, use her

[wind fiber]

Bro even gave her module

[hasty willow]

Its gonna be a pain for me to e2 walter n logoat fr

[wind fiber]

I didn’t even know she had modules

[hasty willow]

Mod1 im lazy af

[simple kettle]

wouldn't it be better to raise her first to e2? I already have half of the mats

[wind fiber]

[scarlet fulcrum]

sure ur choice, i would raise workers first tbh. Passive income important

[wind fiber]

Yo this passive goes kinda hard

[simple kettle]

ok ty I'll do that then

[wind fiber]

I mean trait buff

[hasty willow]

My base worker dead

[delicate flare]

look up a 4 yo guide with amiya s3 💀

wtf theres a pozy

nvm then

[hasty willow]

Tried both kyo and ecko

Wait he have E in elemental res

[naive oar]

how

[delicate flare]

means nothing btw

[delicate flare]

just have thorns babysit bluebox facing up

have pozy pointing down in a generic ranged tile

[naive oar]

i use multiple flavors of broken dps units and i still can barely do h14-4

[delicate flare]

use mines on patriot

and activate skills

zzz

[delicate flare]

have you tried reading

it ends when you cheese theresa

[naive oar]

tf you mean tried reading
i am not in the ball range

[delicate flare]

[naive oar]

then whats the cheddar

[cyan gorge]

Use gravel + another frd for orb dutry while you just beat boss with dps

[naive oar]

bro even my wisadel and mlynar and ela together barely did shit
and the rest were scrambling to deal with the stupid laser sword guys

who tf gave everyone moonlight greatswords

[cyan gorge]

I used Ceobe, Ifrit, Viviana and boss melted

[civic bear]

That's what damage reduction do

[naive oar]

...

my friend gave me wrong information

he straight up told me "the balls reduce the damage OF WHO GETS HIT"

[delicate flare]

damn bro read

[naive oar]

I WAS WORKING WITH INCORRECT INFO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[pure orchid]

nah what lmao

[smoky halo]

huh

[delicate flare]

just the wrong thing

[smoky halo]

bruh

[naive oar]

i thought i could trust my friend, cause they (somehow) beat the stage